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On Fri, Apr 28, 2023 at 06:14:37PM +0200, Kevin Kofler via devel wrote:
>
> Well, I see two (almost orthogonal) lines of argumentation here:
> * Matthew and others have proposed moving off the mailing list due to
> alleged shortcomings that mailing lists have by desig
On Fri, Apr 28, 2023 at 08:15:28AM -0400, Solomon Peachy via devel wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 27, 2023 at 10:47:15AM -0700, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
> > Our discourse instance is hosted for us by discourse.
> > We shouldn't have to do maint on it, but we will have to do moderation,
&g
oup and if so, it created them an account and a
default set of rules.
Perhaps we could do something similar here?
ie, default most users to no rules, but have a default set for
packagers.
But then we would have to decide what those default rules are.
Anyhow, just some data from what the old o
e, but since MinGW
build scripts written for MSYS(2) will generally assume native binaries to
be under /mingw, it is probably best to keep this subdirectory in the
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> I... don't understand how you reached that conclusion.
>
> My current understanding is:
> * Matthew posted about a number of issues / concerns with mailing lists.
> These concerns are completely 100% unrelated to our current list
> infrastructure. If we h
Kevin Fenzi wrote:
> I think you are conflating contributors with "packagers".
We are talking about moving things off the devel list, which is mainly a
packaging mailing list.
> Our discourse instance is hosted for us by discourse.
> We shouldn't have to do maint on it, but
Forgive me for answering 3 posts in one here...
On Thu, Apr 27, 2023 at 05:57:43AM +0200, Kevin Kofler via devel wrote:
>
> But what if the major influx of new contributors that you proponents of this
> proposal are hoping for never arrives? (Something I think is quite likely to
On Thu, Apr 27, 2023 at 01:39:00PM +0200, Kevin Kofler via devel wrote:
> Kevin Kofler via devel wrote:
>
> > Stephen Smoogen wrote:
> >> So let us say it is voted on and the answer is keep the mailing lists.
> >> What are the next steps to fixing the mail
th the tests and ping me ( in
#releng:fedoraproject.org / #fedora-releng on libera.chat, or via email)
I can login to the builder and strace where it is stalling.
Off hand I don't know why anything would be different on the builders
here.
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> Stephen Smoogen wrote:
>> So let us say it is voted on and the answer is keep the mailing lists.
>> What are the next steps to fixing the mail system which is held together
>> by duct-tape and bailing wire?
> [etc.]
>
> Thanks fo
pollution, eating up soil needed for agriculture, etc. So guess what, I
often find myself supporting this kind of local initiatives from the other
end of the city. Would you be happy if your city builds a huge highway right
through your previously quiet neighborhood? Would you find that
elsewhere
and that this whole RFC thread is just a farce. Looks like "I propose" in
the original post should really read as "I dictate".
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lies trying to explain
away their OWN objections to the proposal, arguing that it is normal that
they as experienced contributors are not the target user base of the
discussion platform. But guess what, it is not (normal). This is a developer
mailing list, experienced contributors are THE targ
features such as editing posts just by design cannot work on a mailing
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fedora.im/librea.chat/other? Anyone should be able to run such a script
that can/is joined to the rooms.
From just my perception, The #fedora channel has had a lot more matrix
users than irc users of late, and it's definitely increased since matrix
was bridged in.
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> On Sat, Apr 22, 2023 at 03:04:26PM -0700, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
> > I have been pondering if we could perhaps setup a public-inbox read-only
> > mirror of the posts to discussion. (
> > https://public-inbox.org/RE
pment.
Thanks so much for posting about this.
I know it's hard to step back on things and to announce it.
Good luck with your studies!
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range from 6 to 17. Can anyone shed some light on this please?
What do you mean by 'orphan-affected'?
I only see java-1.8.0-openjdk orphaned... what are the other packages
you see and how are they affected?
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Again, this assumes that this is what is holding back new contributors, for
which I have seen no evidence whatsoever.
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s, but in the same time act surprised when warned that
existing contributors are likely to do exactly that. In fact, we have much
more reason to do so because the new workflow is a regression, and forcing
it on us over our objections actively tells us we are no longer wel
o NNTP gatewaying over Gmane.
Ian Pilcher wrote:
> Only if there's a companion document on how to interact with Discourse
> over NNTP. :-(
Exactly that.
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On Tue, Apr 25, 2023 at 07:25:06PM +0200, Florian Weimer wrote:
> * Kevin Fenzi:
>
> > On Tue, Apr 25, 2023 at 10:24:37AM -0500, Michael Catanzaro wrote:
> >> On Tue, Apr 25 2023 at 11:32:14 AM +0200, Florian Weimer
> >> wrote:
> >> > This option has be
On Tue, Apr 25, 2023 at 12:12:05AM +0200, Björn Persson wrote:
> Kevin Fenzi wrote:
> > On Sun, Apr 23, 2023 at 11:21:58PM +0200, Björn Persson wrote:
> > > Kevin Fenzi wrote:
> > > > We could probibly come up with some
> > > > better way to start n
I don't recommend
> that. Instead, choose specific tags that you want to subscribe to, just as
> you would subscribe to individual mailing lists.
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> benefits and drawbacks and any workarounds for those drawbacks.
The drawbacks are well known (see above) and the platform is basically
unusable. There is no need to experiment with it to find that out. And
"get[ting] real-world experience"
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delayed for 24hours. ;(
I think we could perhaps look at resubmitting things.
That could be a bit complex with targets and such, but it might be
doable.
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one. I am writing this post through the Gmane NNTP gateway using KNode, and
I am also using that to read the threads.
As a result, I consider your proposal absolutely unacceptable.
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On Sun, Apr 23, 2023 at 11:21:58PM +0200, Björn Persson wrote:
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> > We could probibly come up with some
> > better way to start new topics/discussions
>
> Yes I think I can come up with a better way. Give each tag its own
> email address, like a mai
On Sun, Apr 23, 2023 at 11:21:19PM +0200, Björn Persson wrote:
> Kevin Fenzi wrote:
> > One bug I hit setting this up this weekend... some (but not all) of the
> > categories appear to have newlines in the List-ID: header. ;(
> >
> > ie,
> >
> > List
apply. He didn't mention mailman3 in his post at all that I can
see. I think we will be running mailing lists in some form for a long
while still, just fewer people will be interacting with them.
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On Sat, Apr 22, 2023 at 03:04:26PM -0700, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
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> So I've been using the email bridge for a while (I think since we set it
> up) and it's got it's issues for sure, but I am not sure if it's as bad
> as folks fear.
>
> https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/gu
using the email gateway here
and for the most part it works fine.
There's a bug I did hit where some of the categories seem to put \n in
List-Id: headers, which is anoying to manage, but aside from that, all
the emails come in, I can reply. We could probibly come up with some
better way
ns of things. My setup is to run
miniflux ( https://miniflux.app/ ) on my main server at home, then I
use newsflash on my laptop or an android miniflut on android to read
feeds. YMMV.
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On Fri, Apr 21, 2023 at 09:03:11PM +0200, Fabio Valentini wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 9, 2023 at 8:56 PM Kevin Fenzi wrote:
> >
> > * Cancel all builds that are in progress. Maintainers can resubmit after
> > the outage with the appropriate branches.
> > * unpush all upda
came untenable a number of
years ago. When you look at there's 10 posts to look thru for legit non
members thats fine, when you look and there's 10,000...
:(
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relevant. We can't really just let all mails from non-
> members through because...spam.
Right. I don't think we have many (or possibly any) lists that still
hold email from non-members. The flood of spam is just too high for that
for the last N years. So, almost all our list
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client.
That said, for everyone except us, mail lists are much worse for all the
reasons you list.
I'm willing to try to learn new tricks and move things to discourse.
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Newbie - first time . I'm trying to upload my SSH public key to my fedora
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bset of base packages would be very helpful.
This is the bad outcome IMHO. A 'downstream first' world. ;(
But perhaps it's the future that waits us.
> Maybe we need a RISC V sig?
Like the one thats existed for the last few years?
:)
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Architectures/RISC-V
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ng gcc-13 out the door so that gcc-14
> development can open up. Not sure where profiles will fall into the
> priority list, it's hard to see past the V effort right now.
Yep. And a lot of it is things that just need to mature and hardware
that needs to exist and code and... ;) But hopefully we
On Tue, Apr 11, 2023 at 07:07:11AM +, Mattia Verga via devel wrote:
> Il 10/04/23 17:50, Kevin Fenzi ha scritto:
> > On Mon, Apr 10, 2023 at 03:18:22PM +, Mattia Verga via devel wrote:
> >> Il 10/04/23 17:01, Kevin Fenzi ha scritto:
> >>> I've not seen any
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ing to continue working outside of the change :/
That plan is absolutely unworkable and unacceptable.
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On Mon, Apr 10, 2023 at 03:18:22PM +, Mattia Verga via devel wrote:
> Il 10/04/23 17:01, Kevin Fenzi ha scritto:
> >
> > I've not seen any errors from it in a long while... but I'm not sure if
> > thats because everything has been working or because it isn't
cluster.
I've not seen any errors from it in a long while... but I'm not sure if
thats because everything has been working or because it isn't erroring
properly.
Anyhow, I think we should/can adjust it to not make big changelogs...
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> or:
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> python-nbconvert-7.2.5-5.fc38american-fuzzy-lop-4.05c-4.20230403git7101192.fc38
Yes. It's a work in progress, it's just there to help releng.
https://pagure.io/fedora-qa/blockerbugs/pull-request/271
is the PR for it.
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e: I recall when normal newrepos took like 40-45min (and we had
a lot less packages then), so 10min seems nice to me. But I agree if it
could be made mostly instant that would be great for this case.
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>
> GitHub has stated[1] that they no longer guarantee hash stability between
> archive downloads.
But then after a outcry... "We are reverting this change for now. More
details to follow."
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meeting tomorrow. I guess I can run the one next week. ;)
= Discussed and Voted in the Ticket =
Change: SPDX Licenses Phase 2
https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/2972
APPROVED (+6,0,-0)
Nonresponsive maintainer: Ross Lagerwall -
tagrepper/raw?rows_per_pager=20=bugzilla
Someone could write a toddler that listens for those and acts on the
ones desired. Just like the current one that listens for scm requests.
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Any idea what the problem is?
I think this may be: https://pagure.io/fedpkg/issue/513
in which case you need a valid kerberos ticket if you are a packager,
and to pass --no-verify if you aren't.
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Yes, they need to logout and back into src.fedoraproject.org
group memberships there are refreshed on login.
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If we need some more minor releases I'm happy to update those before
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> > On Mon, Mar 27, 2023 at 11:57:04AM -, Aleš Matěj wrote:
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> > > However you are right dnf can't handle that. It looks for deltas in the
> >
that being in service?
Might add it to the change as a dependency?
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e want to bring drpms back to useful, I think this would probibly be the
best way to go. Then we could have some app that creates them async and
dnf could use them if available.
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change again, but we could deal with the hard coded change then, or
implement the release object thing.
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, if we had a updates repo and a completely seperate updates-drpms
repo with just drpms in it, what would it take to use that? Changes in
dnf I guess? but also changes in createrepo_c to generate repodata for a
repo that was only drpms?
Thanks for working on this!
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ere for their pacakges.
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Thanks.
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tances with IMDSv1 enabled by providing the right option to the
> RunInstances EC2 API call. The flag merely switches the default.
So, do we then need to update the client we use to upload images?
Or is this something that could be set on the accoun
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from epel.
That looks pretty good, but I might suggest adding something more
explicit at the end:
Note that this issue is purely informational, you do not need to take any
actions at this time.
But perhaps thats overkill. ;)
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> https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/issue/11192
Amd fixed. ;)
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notify people" is actually going to happen (especially in the future, as
FESCo composition changes). Sad. I had got the impression that there were
consensus in FESCo to improve the situation. Apparently, that was a false
impression, unfortun
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This is a lot more disruptive, but it's only for part of a day and I
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On Sat, Feb 25, 2023 at 07:53:57PM +0100, Fabio Valentini wrote:
> On Sat, Feb 25, 2023 at 7:41 PM Kevin Fenzi wrote:
> >
> > On Fri, Feb 24, 2023 at 06:00:08AM +, Sérgio Basto wrote:
> > > On Tue, 2023-02-21 at 16:40 -0500, Ben Cotton wrote:
> > > > As
Kevin Kofler via devel wrote:
> I would personally not miss --security, but what is really useful is the
> --advisory=… flag that used to be implemented by the same plugin. (They
> are now both built in in DNF.) That is invaluable to test individual
> updates from updates-testing. I wo
> >
> > https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org/thread/JYKVELSBJQMEK6KEFXG354ZDZDDX4C5G/#RLEUYSWOUVUS53YAP7WQQNN7HNEBIC4E
> >
> > ... and that ticket hasn't moved, because fixing it isn't trivial.
>
>
> In that thread, Kevin noted:
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> * only c
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