Once upon a time, Gregory Maxwell said:
> On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 7:28 PM, Chris Adams wrote:
> > I noticed that ethtool is not in the default install anymore (probably
> > for a release or so, but I didn't notice it until now). Why is that?
> > It is the only tool tha
is:
* Mon Aug 03 2009 Bill Nottingham - 8.96-1
- only use ethtool for link checking; no more mii-tool
mii-tool gets pulled in by default because initscripts depends on
net-tools. However, the mii-tool declares itself obsolete and
recommends ethtool. Maybe ethtool should be added to @Base?
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Once upon a time, Michael Cronenworth said:
> Chris Adams wrote:
> > Maybe ethtool should be added to @Base?
>
> Or patch initscripts to use ethtool instead of deprecated cruft.
You cut out the part of my email where I quoted the changelog showing
that had already been done.
user, the Fedora Development Team should
be very proud of what they've achieved with the Fedora and Anaconda
Installer.
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of the "Graphics" group and creating a new
> "Design Suite" group?
>
> Is there a procedure for this? I mean like filing a ticket some place?
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I'm confused about the whole conversation. What exactly are you talking
about Bill when you refer to creat
r the server to handle this better as well, but I
think the problem starts with curl.
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> having /usr on a different partition such as
> http://bugzilla.redhat.com/#626007, which is what led to this?
If you read the entire commit message, you'll see:
commit 1ae53648c9e3460eb63837b4c20bc860018979f0
Author: Chris Lumens
Date: Mon Oct 18 11:09:36 2010 -0400
Don'
s and libraries
(which of course could also be done with noatime).
I've seen some boot-from-flash setups with /usr on a hard drive.
Basically, if Fedora is going to follow the FHS at all, bugs like 626007
should be fixed, not ignored because somebody doesn't like a separate
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filesystems are mounted.
I expect other bugs attributed to separate /usr are really problems
handling non-default partitioning schemes of many kinds.
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Once upon a time, Peter Jones said:
> On 10/19/2010 11:28 AM, Chris Adams wrote:
> > And how many of those bugs are exclusively a /usr-is-separate problem
> > vs. how many of them are didn't-anticipate-alternate-partitioning
> > problems?
>
> If I understand your
Hi,
Mohamed unfortunately doesn't answer
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=578957 or private mail, so
does anybody know how to get in touch with him?
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On 10/19/2010 09:10 PM, Mathieu Bridon wrote:
> On Tue, 2010-10-19 at 20:50 +0200, Chris Spike wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> Mohamed unfortunately doesn't answer
>> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=578957 or private mail, so
>> does anybody know how to get in
irectly user-writable files (assuming separate /tmp and
/var).
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he root file domain is special
(with extra restrictions due to the bootloader and other things), so you
really don't want anything else in there.
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to know what is going
> on...
Yeah, that whole area is not at all ideal. I'm aware of it:
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=493249
Perhaps I'll spend some time around F15 figuring out what we can do.
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making a
site that looks broken with NoScript is a bad idea, especially for a
user base that probably has a higher-than-average number of Firefox
users (and probably mode advanced users that are likely to use things
like NoScript). Requiring JavaScript just to get the correct layout is
IMHO broken.
-
projects and getting their feet wet; if there was a test day on
August 11 you could have a small pool of enthusiastic labor with some
on-the-ground guidance. We might be able to do testing that would
require some set-up, e.g., we could bring in a switch and create a test
LAN.
Let me know if t
get a little more
discussion than a single BZ request (and probably shouldn't be changed
mid-release without notice).
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"hide" it (of course, I alias ls to "ls -FCA", so
~/.bin wouldn't be hidden, just one extra character to type when I need
to access it).
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I don't speak for anybody but myself - t
ounted in that type of
setup (users don't get space on the local drive except /tmp), so
~/.local would be meaningless.
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build this package for multiple releases (FTBFS).
However, it was built successfully for F15, and currently builds fine on
both primary archs without change.
Deprecated-package-revival review at
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=726910
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On Fri, 2011-07-22 at 18:43 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:
> On Thu, 2011-07-21 at 10:23 -0400, Chris Tyler wrote:
>
> > Hi Adam,
> >
> > On the week of Aug 7 David Shein and I will be at POSSE-RIT teaching
> > professors how open source communities work. On
This looks like a very interesting project mate. I'm very interested in
becoming a co-maintainer. ;-)
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Is CUPS functional without any configuration? How do you print without
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tion)?
Note: I am NOT saying any of that should be removed. I'm just saying
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nges over time, I don't
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On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 1:58 PM, Michael Cronenworth wrote:
> On 08/29/2011 10:22 PM, Chris Adams wrote:
> > It is very irritating, since I only use floppies when I really need to,
>
> Is this due to the need to boot into DOS to run a firmware utility or
> something similar? If
Once upon a time, Michael Cronenworth said:
> On 08/29/2011 10:22 PM, Chris Adams wrote:
> > It is very irritating, since I only use floppies when I really need to,
>
> Is this due to the need to boot into DOS to run a firmware utility or
> something similar? If so, you can
or embedded systems that use a standard PC-style floppy
controller. Replace the floppy drive with something else that still
looks to the system like a regular floppy drive.
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I don't speak for anybody but myself
quot;hang forever" when the floppy module is
loaded? I have never seen that happen, on systems with or without
floppy drives, yet you seem to be saying it happens on vast numbers of
them (99.9% in an earlier message).
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In any case, instead of arguing semantics, can you answer my actual
question? How many systems hang when floppy.ko is loaded? If it is a
large number, it should be easy to point to lots of data.
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I don't speak for anyb
icant hang.
Leaving known-working hardware unusable at install is just rude and
irritating when it is needed. There should be good justification, not
just "a bunch of developers don't use it anymore, so we don't think
anybody else needs it".
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ind it, for $10 I can easily get another 8GB anyway.
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Once upon a time, Chris Jones said:
> I see it all the time. "Some older hardware still requires floppies..." It
> just seems like a generic defense statement for the fans of floppies and for
> those who insist on using them for god knows what reason.
Again, please stop try
quot; was to just ignore
it and stop loading the module. ...
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to start from)
I know suspend is another "fun" area, but are there any good tools to
figure out what is wrong when suspend/resume doesn't work right? I've
got a problem system (RH BZ 548593) that I don't know what else I can do
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of the time); can't
we at least try to correct for that case first, and _then_ try to deal
with multi-monitor setups?
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> Obviously you embed radar in every projector.
Projectors with auto-focus already detect the distance to the screen (I
think they use IR). I don't expect that they change the EDID screen
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literal "no maximum length" is a denial of
service waiting to happen. I'm sure the passwords are hashed, so it
isn't a matter of storage, but the input buffer is not unlimited, and
neither are the hash iterations to process the input.
What is the actual limit? 256 charact
x27;re assuming that no Fedora users use their
system to compile things.
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oducing /etc/init.d as a symlink. How will upgrades be handled
if this feature goes through?
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there are several things in /bin that are established
standards (such as /bin/sh for shell scripts). /lib{,64} is part of the
ABI because of /lib/ld-linux.so.2 and /lib64/ld-linux-x86_64.so.2.
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bt there has
been a significanly used Unix-like system since 7th Edition that didn't
have a Bourne-like shell at /bin/sh.
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"#!/usr/bin/env foo" suggested replacement has always been a hack to
work around broken systems, not something suggested for all scripts.
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Once upon a time, Michał Piotrowski said:
> 2011/10/25 Chris Adams :
> > Once upon a time, Michał Piotrowski said:
> >> I created feature page
> >> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/F18MorePortableInterpreters
> >
> > I strongly object to this "f
her
than somebody's idea of neatness. I have no problem removing compat
symlinks when they are no longer needed; I just don't believe that will
ever be the case for /bin, /lib{,64}, and /sbin.
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I don't speak
es were in odd places like
/etc and /usr/lib. The idea of /sbin and /usr/sbin was to get compiled
executables out of those places (and to not clutter up the "normal" bin
directories with stuff users didn't need).
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Once upon a time, Harald Hoyer said:
> For daemons, which should not be called directly on the command line, I
> would suggest to move them to /usr/lib// anyway.
That's what /usr/libexec is for. /usr/lib{,64} is for libraries and
such, not executables.
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Once upon a time, Chris Adams said:
> One big question though: can RPM handle such a change? IIRC, when the
> switch from /etc/rc.d/init.d to /etc/init.d was made, initially
> everything was going to be moved and the old paths symlinked for a few
> releases. However, there was some
x27;ve
never used libpng directly myself, so I'm not familiar with what is
required).
Since all the packages that depend on libpng would have to be rebuilt
twice if you don't go to the latest version now, I'd say go ahead and
get it over with once (i.e. go to 1.5).
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it use The Weather Channel (weather.com) as its data source? They
cut off the old free API and now charge for the new one.
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(or wait until next
release). There may be things that the systemd developers didn't think
about (what about SELinux policy for example; I haven't seen that
mentioned).
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if I were king, the
proliferation of kernel filesystems (proc, sys, cgroup, selinux, etc.)
would be under /kernel, so maybe that's just me.
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Once upon a time, Lennart Poettering said:
> /etc is static configuration data.
There are a number of things under /etc that are not static
configuration data.
> /etc is read-only during boot.
>
> /run is writable all the way.
/etc/run could be too.
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On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 10:54 PM, Lennart Poettering
wrote:
> Heya,
>
> I just uploaded a new version of systemd into F15, which establishes a
> directory /run in the root directory. Most likely you'll sooner or later
> stumble over it, so here's an explanation what this is and why this is.
>
Sou
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To: Development discussions related to Fedora
Subject: firefox/xulrunner-bin confusion
Fired up top on my F-15
Is the final Gnome-Shell going to be made available for Fedora 14 or solely
for Fedora 15?
Is yes for F14, what sort of time frame would we be looking at for
availability?
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Subject: Re: Gnome-Shell and F14
On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 11:36 AM, Chris Jones
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Is the final Gnome-Shell going to be made available for Fedora 14 or solely
for Fedora 15?
The later
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On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 11:52 AM, Chris Jones
wrote:
>
>
>
>
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5 is really
not that far off.
Thanks to all for the information. ;-)
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Once upon a time, Dennis Gilmore said:
> Chris its the teminology we have always used.
> each phase has a series of release candidates.
I thought they were called "test composes" or TC, not RC.
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I
Once upon a time, Jesse Keating said:
> Would it make more sense to refer to these as "Alpha Candidate", "Beta
> Candidate" and "Release Candidate" ? ac{1,2,3}, bc{1,2}, rc1 ?
That sounds good to me; each is distinguished frmo the other and clearly
de
be able to find packages which are not installed on the current system.
Thanks,
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't "yum info jansson" give you this?
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Given that Mozilla is dramatically changing the development of Firefox
and making releases much more frequent - i.e. Firefox 5 due in July, 6
later in the year, are Firefox updates going to change in Fedora? Are
we still going to stick with the major version series at the time of
Fedora release, or
should work on most any hardware.
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On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 12:20 PM, Chris Smart
wrote:
> Given that Mozilla is dramatically changing the development of Firefox
> and making releases much more frequent - i.e. Firefox 5 due in July, 6
Further:
http://blog.mozilla.com/blog/2011/04/13/new-channels-for-firefox-rapid-release
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On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 12:20 PM, Chris Smart
wrote:
> Given that Mozilla is dramatically changing the development of Firefox
> and making releases much more frequent - i.e. Fir
s.
Since they are config files (unlike the init scripts themselves),
changing them doesn't leave you with RPM wanting to replace them on
every package update either.
> So yeah, I'd push for phasing /etc/sysconfig out for most services, not
> standardize it.
I'd be 180 degrees f
, but until then, please stop saying NM replaces the network
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Regarding whether G3 should even have a fallback mode; of course it should.
At least until it becomes stable. That's a no-brainer.
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ferent, you can get
confusing results (for example, in the face of some broken IPv6 setups).
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to continue to
use /etc/aliases. I believe postfix also uses /etc/aliases (don't know
if that is also a RHEL/Fedora change from upstream default); I don't
know about other MTAs.
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dates supposed to be approved post-beta (or am I
misremembering the process)?
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t one goal for btrfs is to take LVM out of the
picture for the common case; i.e. btrfs can do its own logical volume
management. If that's the case, there needs to be something comparable
to the VM-on-VG setup (in terms of ease-of-management and performance).
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That would work, but that loses a lot of functionality such as resizing
guests without rebooting (either the host or the guest), snapshots, etc.
I usually set up the host OS in the same VG as the guests, so I can add
space to the host storage as well as guests, all from the same pool.
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ate clearly I
guess); btrfs performance with VM disk images should be compared against
LVM VGs as well against ext4.
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mage editing package) in under 10MB.
Perhaps someone can shed some light on this and perhaps more effort
put into bringing down the size of java packages, if possible?
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ignificant incompatibility is hardfp vs. softfp ABI (moreso than
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lization technology becomes more and more involved
and frequent on users systems, particularly with advanced Linux users,
I think there needs to be a strong focus on ensuring that all releases
run in virtualized environments without any major issues. ie.
Virtualbox.
Perhaps a dedicated tea
tp://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/4.0.8/VirtualBox-4.0-4.0.8_71778_fedora15-1.i686.rpm
yum install VirtualBox-4.0-4.0.8_71778_fedora15-1.i686.rpm
Or for 64bit:
~$ su
wget
http://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/4.0.8/VirtualBox-4.0-4.0.8_71778_fedora15-1.x86_64.rpm
yum install VirtualBox-
bout 5-10sec
> pass.
>
> Tom
I'd suggest you purchase a new card reader. You do realize you can
pick them up for around $10?
If I had a card reader with that much drama just to get it to operate,
it'd be out the door in no time!
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The problem is, I use Ubuntu/APT also, so sometimes I can confuse
myself as to which system (yum/apt) does what.
Nice work.
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which lighttpd (at least) answers with "400 Bad Request".
Firefox works (it strips the %br0 from the address before putting it in
the Host: header).
It would appear that the CLI/terminal web client support for IPv6
link-local addresses is lacking.
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ora. The feature request is simply to modify grubby/anaconda to set
up the boot entries to include the support by default (or when the
hardware is found).
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I don't speak for anybody but myself - that's enough troub
ate routines can handle dates
outside 1970-2038; you shouldn't depend on 64 bit systems having larger
time_t (I don't think they all do).
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On Wed, 2011-06-29 at 02:17 -0400, Jon Masters wrote:
> Hi Folks,
>
> Join us on Friday to celebrate July with another in our series of VFADs!
Hi Jon,
Just a heads up that you won't have many Canadians joining you -- July 1
is Canada Day, a *big* party date on our calendar.
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se.
The environment-variable type files in /etc/sysconfig also tend to be
much easier to modify from a script than having to parse and edit random
types of configuration files (since everybody seems to know how to do
config files better than anybody else and their way is just a little bit
differe
x27;t need a configuration
file parser. This is a valid way that Unix daemons have run for
decades, and you are saying that should be removed. I guess every small
daemon now needs to include its own config file parser, replacing the
already-existing getopt() call? How is this "better"?
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configuration, which is clearly
> undesirable.
And an admin can break a config file. What is the difference? Please
enumerate some of the "huge number of ways that this can go wrong" in
real world examples (not made-up things like overriding IFS).
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philosophy.
When such "solutions" impact ease of config, scriptability,
customizability (script bits are customizable to handle configs that the
init-script writer didn't consider), etc., they are not better than
before.
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ps are generally designed to be started with a click,
not a command line. System daemons are generally designed to be started
from a script (since that's the way they've been started since day 1).
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I do
Some of us do watch movies also, which of course requires an X session.
Cheers
Chris Jones
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On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 11:28 AM, Adam Williamson wrote:
> On Wed, 2011-07-13 at 11:08 +1000, Chris Jones wrote:
> > Some of us do watch movies also, which of course requires an X
> > session.
>
> Not really. mplayer has several outputs which function without an X
> sessio
out having to download and burn lots of
CDs, boot, and then transfer to the hard drive.
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I don't speak for anybody but myself - that's enough trouble.
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ots of
> CDs, boot, and then transfer to the hard drive.
We talked about something along these lines at the last FUDCon, but
other pressures have ensured I've had no time to spend working on it.
I'd still like to, or at least sit down and type up what we hashed out
so other people can ta
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