mounted in that type of
setup (users don't get space on the local drive except /tmp), so
~/.local would be meaningless.
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to be functional and is not
network enabled, it may be enabled by default
Is CUPS functional without any configuration? How do you print without
configuring a printer?
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I don't speak for anybody but myself - that's
be removed. I'm just saying
that space savings as justification of removing ddate is stupid.
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over time, I don't
know how to get the device nodes with the correct access for the desktop
user anymore, and I figure if somebody went to the trouble of removing
the udev rules, there's not much point in asking to have them added
back.
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Once upon a time, Michael Cronenworth m...@cchtml.com said:
On 08/29/2011 10:22 PM, Chris Adams wrote:
It is very irritating, since I only use floppies when I really need to,
Is this due to the need to boot into DOS to run a firmware utility or
something similar? If so, you can create
.
These are for embedded systems that use a standard PC-style floppy
controller. Replace the floppy drive with something else that still
looks to the system like a regular floppy drive.
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the floppy module is
loaded? I have never seen that happen, on systems with or without
floppy drives, yet you seem to be saying it happens on vast numbers of
them (99.9% in an earlier message).
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I don't
answer my actual
question? How many systems hang when floppy.ko is loaded? If it is a
large number, it should be easy to point to lots of data.
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I don't speak for anybody but myself - that's enough
.
Leaving known-working hardware unusable at install is just rude and
irritating when it is needed. There should be good justification, not
just a bunch of developers don't use it anymore, so we don't think
anybody else needs it.
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notebook that will not book from USB.
And for the cheap price of PCs these days, whether it is building your own
or grabbing an oem system, just upgrade to something that does have full usb
support.
Feel free to PayPal me money for a new notebook.
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it and stop loading the module. sigh...
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know suspend is another fun area, but are there any good tools to
figure out what is wrong when suspend/resume doesn't work right? I've
got a problem system (RH BZ 548593) that I don't know what else I can do
to try to fix.
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monitor much of the time); can't
we at least try to correct for that case first, and _then_ try to deal
with multi-monitor setups?
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Obviously you embed radar in every projector.
Projectors with auto-focus already detect the distance to the screen (I
think they use IR). I don't expect that they change the EDID screen
size reporting though.
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no maximum length is a denial of
service waiting to happen. I'm sure the passwords are hashed, so it
isn't a matter of storage, but the input buffer is not unlimited, and
neither are the hash iterations to process the input.
What is the actual limit? 256 characters? 512?
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system to compile things.
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, but there are several things in /bin that are established
standards (such as /bin/sh for shell scripts). /lib{,64} is part of the
ABI because of /lib/ld-linux.so.2 and /lib64/ld-linux-x86_64.so.2.
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been a significanly used Unix-like system since 7th Edition that didn't
have a Bourne-like shell at /bin/sh.
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Once upon a time, Michał Piotrowski mkkp...@gmail.com said:
2011/10/25 Chris Adams cmad...@hiwaay.net:
Once upon a time, Michał Piotrowski mkkp...@gmail.com said:
I created feature page
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/F18MorePortableInterpreters
I strongly object to this feature
somebody's idea of neatness. I have no problem removing compat
symlinks when they are no longer needed; I just don't believe that will
ever be the case for /bin, /lib{,64}, and /sbin.
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utilities were in odd places like
/etc and /usr/lib. The idea of /sbin and /usr/sbin was to get compiled
executables out of those places (and to not clutter up the normal bin
directories with stuff users didn't need).
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Once upon a time, Harald Hoyer harald.ho...@gmail.com said:
For daemons, which should not be called directly on the command line, I
would suggest to move them to /usr/lib/packagename/ anyway.
That's what /usr/libexec is for. /usr/lib{,64} is for libraries and
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One big question though: can RPM handle such a change? IIRC, when the
switch from /etc/rc.d/init.d to /etc/init.d was made, initially
everything was going to be moved and the old paths symlinked for a few
releases. However
directly myself, so I'm not familiar with what is
required).
Since all the packages that depend on libpng would have to be rebuilt
twice if you don't go to the latest version now, I'd say go ahead and
get it over with once (i.e. go to 1.5).
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The Weather Channel (weather.com) as its data source? They
cut off the old free API and now charge for the new one.
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the policies. However, policies change, and
sometimes on relatively short notice. I think weather.com was the
default for a number of projects, and that probably was costing The
Weather Channel money (that didn't give them anything in return).
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in package dependencies.
Hmm, I didn't know that. Which does RPM use when generating
dependencies? It would appear that it is is using ldd; should that be
changed?
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I don't speak for anybody but myself - that's
question: is it possible for root to see these alternate tmps?
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the root user could see them. If he is only
mounting as tmpfs then I don't think the admin could easily get into
the namespaces to see them.
I would be against something that hides stuff from root. That's a
recipie for disaster.
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is accessing that directory, that's probably good enough.
But we could definitely add this if necessary, as a property on the bus
object of the service, which would then be queriable with systemctl
show.
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than I like already.
Well, if they're subdirectories of /tmp, you'd have to deal with all the
usual /tmp attacks of known targets.
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Once upon a time, Gregory Maxwell gmaxw...@gmail.com said:
On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 10:00 PM, Chris Adams cmad...@hiwaay.net wrote:
Well, if they're subdirectories of /tmp, you'd have to deal with all the
usual /tmp attacks of known targets.
Hmph? They wouldn't be accessible to anything
,
etc.) to separate the systemd-created private tmps.
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, and that even FESCo
shouldn't be able to set an update policy for KDE packages.
Why don't you give the kernel maintainers the same courtesy?
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not be a
problem now). If you are looking at the master or mirror directory, you
could use dd to only read the right number of bytes from the disk and
pipe the output to sha256sum.
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.
Again, proof? They have enough patches to sort through every release as
it is, and they don't want to add more.
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over all packages in the
distribution (or all packages that tangentially affect them).
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big and
hierarchical, you don't always get a lot of feedback (even when one of
the maintainers picks up your patch in their tree to go upstream).
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Once upon a time, Kevin Kofler kevin.kof...@chello.at said:
Chris Adams wrote:
SIGs don't exist to exercise control over all packages in the
distribution (or all packages that tangentially affect them).
As I said elsewhere on this list, that's exactly where our organizational
structure
, then that SQLite should be fixed!
What if it isn't a bug, but just different behavior? To do such an
update in F12, you need to audit the other users of SQLite (of which
there are many) and check them against a new version, possibly updating
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Is it impossible for you to accept the fact that not everybody agrees
with you on the direction of Fedora, and that maybe (just maybe) you are
in the minority?
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and not assume they know what's best for the rest of the
distribution.
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Once upon a time, Kevin Kofler kevin.kof...@chello.at said:
If we really are the only ones true to Fedora's original principles
As I recall, upstream, upstream, upstream was one of those principles
that you are demanding others now break.
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filesystems means that they shouldn't be automatically mounted.
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be mounted explicitly (i.e., the -a option will not
cause the filesystem to be mounted).
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by not having any MTA installed (other than a little bit
of disk space)? I understand that a little bit of disk space can add
up quick, but a local queueing MTA is a pretty standard part of a Unix
system.
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Once upon a time, Michael Cronenworth m...@cchtml.com said:
Chris Adams wrote:
What do we gain by not having any MTA installed (other than a little bit
of disk space)? I understand that a little bit of disk space can add
up quick, but a local queueing MTA is a pretty standard part
or for researchers to study?
So, according to you, Unix-like systems are only for researchers to
study? How does PCs evolving every 5-10 years have any bearing on
being Unix-like or not?
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distributes. People like it.
Yes, and they should continue to use it -- for sysv scripts.
I thought the last big discussion resulted in agreement that chkconfig
and service should continue to work for all services. Is that not the
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there is something capable of replacing it. Maybe
you don't have bridges, 802.1q VLANs (and even bridged VLANs), etc., but
last I checked, NM didn't handle them.
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think of (such as delivering
root mail to a non-root user or smarthosting, possibly with
authentication setup) requires manual configuration in any case.
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I don't speak for anybody but myself - that's
be in @Core, because cronie is mandatory and requires
/usr/sbin/sendmail (until the rawhide version of cronie, which will log
to syslog if there's no /usr/sbin/sendmail).
Why is sendmail also in @Base?
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I don't
(if there's a
reason and it isn't just an accident, that might have some bearing on
removing it from both).
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support all the same things in
network-scripts that ifup/etc. do, and it adds some things of its own
for WPA and the like).
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the universal vi
(but then the config files are not well documented).
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14.1: Now with GNOME3!) with more targeted/focused
changes. That's probably not practical with the available manpower
however.
Why do we need to be concerned about being similar to or different from
Ubuntu?
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Once upon a time, Eric Sandeen sand...@redhat.com said:
Some things to test would be attempting to defrag files
which are being actively written to / read from in various
ways - concurrent access, mmap, etc.
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, and said they will unbundle others
once their changes settle down.
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to communicate (yes, such switches are crap, but when it
isn't your network, you don't get to choose). Not having a tool to do
that already installed makes it impossible to fix.
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Once upon a time, Gregory Maxwell gmaxw...@gmail.com said:
On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 7:28 PM, Chris Adams cmad...@hiwaay.net wrote:
I noticed that ethtool is not in the default install anymore (probably
for a release or so, but I didn't notice it until now). Why is that?
It is the only tool
Once upon a time, Michael Cronenworth m...@cchtml.com said:
Chris Adams wrote:
Maybe ethtool should be added to @Base?
Or patch initscripts to use ethtool instead of deprecated cruft.
You cut out the part of my email where I quoted the changelog showing
that had already been done.
The net
, but I
think the problem starts with curl.
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setups with /usr on a hard drive.
Basically, if Fedora is going to follow the FHS at all, bugs like 626007
should be fixed, not ignored because somebody doesn't like a separate
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filesystems are mounted.
I expect other bugs attributed to separate /usr are really problems
handling non-default partitioning schemes of many kinds.
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Once upon a time, Peter Jones pjo...@redhat.com said:
On 10/19/2010 11:28 AM, Chris Adams wrote:
And how many of those bugs are exclusively a /usr-is-separate problem
vs. how many of them are didn't-anticipate-alternate-partitioning
problems?
If I understand your distinction correctly
user-writable files (assuming separate /tmp and
/var).
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restrictions due to the bootloader and other things), so you
really don't want anything else in there.
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Once upon a time, Lennart Poettering mzerq...@0pointer.de said:
The HTTP thingy is not really how admins should access the logs. They
should just use journalctl.
So why is it part of the core package instead of a subpackage?
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(e.g. mounting
filesystems of a drive on another system, running from a rescue image,
etc.)?
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Once upon a time, Lennart Poettering mzerq...@0pointer.de said:
On Tue, 09.10.12 09:09, Chris Adams (cmad...@hiwaay.net) wrote:
Once upon a time, Lennart Poettering mzerq...@0pointer.de said:
If people want some pixel-perfect copy of the traditional
/var/log/messages, then they should
stopping to look up said options) to get unfiltered output is
frustrating.
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is the equivalent for logrotate in the systemd journal case?
How can you configure how much log data is kept and for how long?
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the Band-Aid™ would be ripped off and we'd be done.
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(for example CGIs scanning for certain types of errors). How
does that work with journald?
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my systems, some logs are readable by different groups, sometimes more
than one via file ACLs).
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obvious). That already exists some for -modules-extras.
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things around is just useless churn. These settings have been in these
files for a long time (I know I have scripts that pull the HOSTNAME
variable from /etc/sysconfig/network).
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down the road (bugs as well as poor design
choices).
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has never AFAIK been in
/bin, on any system I've used). The only case I would think /bin/perl
would happen is if some software install script tried to be smart and
change the shebang line, and it searched in common directories but not
in $PATH order (starting with /bin).
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Once upon a time, Miro Hrončok m...@hroncok.cz said:
So how is this done in official repos? Different architectures are
kept separatelly and I need to provide two repos?
Yes (go look at the repo configs).
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I've logged into any of the
Fedora servers in that time has been related to mirror management (and
that is pretty rare as well).
And (because I'm a lazy email reader) I post here from a different email
address than my Fedora-registered one.
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have multiple hash tables).
Now, given that, I still write most of my system admin stuff in perl.
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just go with an in-memory
SQLite table.
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server)?
My email client uses around 2gb of ram firefox usually is using between
512Mb and 1Gb your statement for me is false.
Read the message, especially SOHO server. Most people are not running
email clients and Firefox on servers.
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stay with yum.
You should learn about something before you criticize it:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/DNF
dnf is currently implementing a (subset of) existing yum commands.
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I don't speak
yum, it may get a symlink from /usr/bin/yum.
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is hardly worth worrying about unless the command in
question is run multiple times per minute, all the time.
And besides:
$ time perl -e 1
real0m0.008s
Perl is 6 times faster than Python! :)
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I don't
).
- Configure additional partitions for the simple case
e2fsprogs
parted
LVM? I know it is a can of worms, but it has been the default for a
long time now.
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, to name a few things
which AFAIK it does not yet, it isn't a suitable replacement. If/when
it gets to the point it can handle all the things the basic network
service/scripts can do, then having it in @core could be revisited.
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that the system
clock can be initialized from the network. Trying to set it accurately
by hand can be annoying, and an accurate clock is required for some
network authentication methods like Kerberos.
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I don't
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