Re: Defining the future of the packager workflow in Fedora

On 9/26/19 12:57 PM, Ken Dreyer wrote: On Thu, Sep 26, 2019 at 7:11 AM Pierre-Yves Chibon wrote: On Thu, Sep 26, 2019 at 03:01:25PM +0200, Remi Collet wrote: Le 26/09/2019 à 11:36, Pierre-Yves Chibon a écrit : Here is what the vision we came to and that we would like to discuss: ○ Every

Re: Remove all non UK/USA English spell checker variants from default Fedora installation

On 7/18/20 8:44 AM, Germano Massullo wrote: All desktop oriented Fedora installers install on the system packages: hunspell hunspell-en hunspell-en-GB hunspell-en-US When a user opens the language list of the spell checker, is has ~24 different English options, like English (Antigua and

Re: Driverless scanning for WSD and ESCL supported scanners is coming

On 8/6/20 3:48 AM, Zdenek Dohnal wrote: On 8/5/20 2:30 PM, Jiří Eischmann wrote: Will it be possible to use a Fedora machine as a server, so that I can have an old scanner connected to it via USB and then shared with other devices on the local network via those protocols? That would be neat.

Re: Driverless scanning for WSD and ESCL supported scanners is coming

On 8/5/20 8:30 AM, Jiří Eischmann wrote: Zdenek Dohnal píše v St 05. 08. 2020 v 07:44 +0200: Hi all, I would like to announce sane-airscan project [1] will be shipped in the official Fedora repositories from Fedora 32 [2]. sane-airscan implements a backend for Microsoft WSD and ESCL (usually

Re: User experience issue on btrfs

On 6/29/20 2:26 AM, John M. Harris Jr wrote: On Sunday, June 28, 2020 5:37:08 PM MST Chris Adams wrote: Once upon a time, John M. Harris Jr said: XFS proved to be troublesome, and still is up to the latest of RHEL7. It's not uncommon to have to run xfs_repair on smaller XFS partitions,

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: CompilerPolicy Change

On 6/5/20 12:31 PM, Jeff Law wrote: On Fri, 2020-06-05 at 16:23 +, devel-requ...@lists.fedoraproject.org wrote: Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2020 11:15:39 -0500 From: Steven Munroe Subject: Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: CompilerPolicy Change To: devel@lists.fedoraproject.org

Re: Delay service startup but only on boot

On 12/3/20 9:44 AM, Richard Shaw wrote: On Thu, Dec 3, 2020 at 2:41 AM Gargoyle > wrote: On 02/12/2020 16:09, Richard Shaw wrote: Nope, it's an external networked device. They always "boot up" at the same time, but the computer which runs the service boots

Re: Fedora 34 Change: DNF/RPM Copy on Write enablement for all variants (System-Wide Change)

On Mon, Dec 21, 2020, 8:19 PM Davide Cavalca via devel < devel@lists.fedoraproject.org> wrote: > On Mon, 2020-12-21 at 12:54 -0400, Robert Marcano via devel wrote: > > On 12/21/20 12:28 PM, Ben Cotton wrote: > > > ... > > > > > > === New process =

Re: Fedora 34 Change: DNF/RPM Copy on Write enablement for all variants (System-Wide Change)

On 12/21/20 12:28 PM, Ben Cotton wrote: ... === New process === # Resolve packaging request into a list of packages and operations # Download and '''decompress''' packages into a '''locally optimized''' rpm file # Install and/or upgrade packages sequentially using RPM files, using '''reference

Unable to disable SysRq

I am using a ThinkPad with one of these keyboards where the PrtScr key is between the right Alt and Ctrl, an awful position. Two times in a week I have killed all processes trying to use Alt+i. Ts is to easy to press the Alt and the PrtScr at the same, starting that way the SysRq i command.

Re: Unable to disable SysRq

On 11/16/20 8:25 PM, Robert Marcano wrote: I am using a ThinkPad with one of these keyboards where the PrtScr key is between the right Alt and Ctrl, an awful position. Two times in a week I have killed all processes trying to use Alt+i. Ts is to easy to press the Alt and the PrtScr at the

Re: Unable to disable SysRq

On 11/17/20 8:26 AM, Robert Marcano wrote: User d9k on IRC found the culprit. It is low-memory-monitor. The latest commit [1] for it tries to not mess with the value with 1 is set, but it should not mess with it ever. The same documentation on that commit references [2] where it says: Note

Re: Fedora 33 network configuration (ifcfg*) migration guide available?

On 1/25/21 5:53 AM, Peter Boy wrote: With Fedora 33 network configuration is by default persisted in /etc/NetworkManager/system-connections/*.nmconnection files. The old /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg* files are „legacy“. They are still being processed for the time being, but obviously

Re: When is pappl going to be good enough to replace cups?

On 5/26/21 7:05 AM, Zdenek Dohnal wrote: Hi Robert, On 5/24/21 2:39 PM, Robert Marcano via devel wrote: On 5/24/21 3:29 AM, Zdenek Dohnal wrote: Devices which currently depend on a deprecated functionality - printer drivers and raw queues - will need a printer application once the deprecated

Re: When is pappl going to be good enough to replace cups?

On 5/24/21 3:29 AM, Zdenek Dohnal wrote: Devices which currently depend on a deprecated functionality - printer drivers and raw queues - will need a printer application once the deprecated functionality is removed from CUPS. This application will advertise the device on localhost via MDNS

Re: F35 Change: Remove SHA-1 from Sqlite (Self-Contained Change proposal)

On 7/9/21 11:45 AM, Ben Cotton wrote: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Sqlite_SHA-1 == Summary == Removal of deprecated crypto algorithm SHA-1 from sqlite. == Owner == * Name: [[User:odubaj| Ondrej Dubaj]] * Email: odu...@redhat.com == Detailed Description == The use of SHA-1 is no

Re: GNOME only: KeepassXC quirks

On 4/30/21 6:23 AM, Germano Massullo wrote: KeepassXC comaintainer here. There are many Fedora GNOME Wayland users experiencing quirks in using KeepassXC. Textboxes not showing text that is being written, other quirks with GNOME, etc. Upstream developers said many times that this only

Re: GNOME only: KeepassXC quirks

On 4/30/21 8:17 AM, Germano Massullo wrote: Il 30/04/21 14:11, Robert Marcano via devel ha scritto: The bug about input fields not able to take text input happen occasionally on passwords fields on XCA. What is XCA? Another Fedora package that uses QT https://hohnstaedt.de/xca

Re: F35 Change: CompilerPolicy Change (System-Wide Change proposal)

On 4/23/21 11:18 AM, Ben Cotton wrote: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/CompilerPolicy == Summary == Fedora has historically forced packages to build with GCC unless the upstream project for the package only supported Clang/LLVM. This change proposal replaces that policy with one where,

Re: F35 Change: CompilerPolicy Change (System-Wide Change proposal)

On 4/23/21 12:52 PM, Tom Stellard wrote: On 4/23/21 9:38 AM, Robert Marcano via devel wrote: On 4/23/21 11:18 AM, Ben Cotton wrote: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/CompilerPolicy == Summary == Fedora has historically forced packages to build with GCC unless the upstream project

Re: Default 'fedora' hostname and failing split DNS VPN

On 3/25/21 10:21 AM, Michael Catanzaro wrote: On Thu, Mar 25 2021 at 08:37:03 AM -0400, Robert Marcano via devel wrote: IMHO the fedora name should be always resolvable the same way as localhost or just remove it. It is not right thsat fedora is being resolved only while the DHCP server

Re: Default 'fedora' hostname and failing split DNS VPN

On 3/24/21 11:26 PM, Michael Catanzaro wrote: Hi, I have a couple different ideas of what could be going wrong. Let's test a few things. First, please run: $ cat /etc/nsswitch.conf | grep hosts | tail -1 If it is our default configuration, it should say: hosts: files mdns4_minimal

Re: Default 'fedora' hostname and failing split DNS VPN

On 3/24/21 9:51 PM, Robert Marcano wrote: Currently I am connecting to a VPN that provides a few DNS search entries. One of these domains on the search path is having DNS resolution problems. This is not per se the the problem I am  writing this email for. The problem is that starting

Re: Default 'fedora' hostname and failing split DNS VPN

. No: # hostname -f fedora On 3/25/21 2:51 AM, Robert Marcano via devel wrote: Currently I am connecting to a VPN that provides a few DNS search entries. One of these domains on the search path is having DNS resolution problems. This is not per se the the problem I am  writing this email for. The problem

Re: Display a message on the console while upgrading a package

On 3/30/21 1:11 PM, Robert-André Mauchin wrote: Hello, Following a change in the config file of a program, I'd like to display a message to my users to indicate they need to update the config file with the new one. I try "echo" in the update scriptlet: %postun if [ "$1" -ge "1" ] ; then #

Re: Display a message on the console while upgrading a package

On 3/30/21 1:17 PM, Robert Marcano wrote: On 3/30/21 1:11 PM, Robert-André Mauchin wrote: Hello, Following a change in the config file of a program, I'd like to display a message to my users to indicate they need to update the config file with the new one. I try "echo" in the update

Default 'fedora' hostname and failing split DNS VPN

Currently I am connecting to a VPN that provides a few DNS search entries. One of these domains on the search path is having DNS resolution problems. This is not per se the the problem I am writing this email for. The problem is that starting Firefox and Thunderbird take a long time, it

Re: OpenSSH SHA-1 deprecation, developing FAQ, etc

On 3/11/21 1:01 PM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: On Thu, Mar 11, 2021 at 03:50:57PM +0100, Daniel Pocock wrote: On 11/03/2021 12:13, Florian Weimer wrote: * Richard W. M. Jones: I really hope we don't remove the ability to connect to old servers (eg. running RHEL 5). At the moment you have

Re: Kernel thermal configuration issues in laptop

On 8/11/21 6:31 AM, Iñaki Ucar wrote: Hi, This is so annoying. Recently, I've been experimenting software-initiated shutdowns in my laptop (LG Gram) due to sudden temperature rises in which the fan doesn't catch up and doesn't reach maximum speed. In the journal, I see: kernel: thermal

Re: Fedora  Java: The Death of Two SIGs

On 9/27/21 7:54 PM, Kevin Kofler via devel wrote: Robert Marcano via devel wrote: I think the only way the Java ecosystem to survive in Fedora outside of OpenJDK and some core components is to allow bundling (Even JavaScript bundling is already allowed), but how do to it without compromising

Re: Fedora  Java: The Death of Two SIGs

On 9/26/21 3:20 PM, Fabio Valentini wrote: Good evening everybody, Not sure why it's me who's writing this message, but somebody needs to do it. Community maintenance of Java packages in Fedora is, for all intents and purposes, dead. Mikolaj keeps a bare minimum of packages working for the

Re: F36 Change: Hunspell Dictionary dir change (System-Wide Change proposal)

On 12/29/21 6:38 PM, Elliott Sales de Andrade wrote: On Wed, 29 Dec 2021 at 10:02, Ben Cotton wrote: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Hunspell_dictionary_dir_change == Summary == Update Hunspell Dictionary system directory from /usr/share/myspell/ to /usr/share/hunspell/ == Owner == *

Re: F36 Change: Default To Noto Fonts (System-Wide Change proposal)

On 12/29/21 2:20 PM, Neal Gompa wrote: On Wed, Dec 29, 2021 at 12:27 PM Artem Tim wrote: Cantarell current default UI font in GNOME (Workstation) will be replaced by Noto font as well or remain? The current plan is to keep Cantarell for now, though GNOME upstream may decide to switch to

Re: RFI/RFC: Fedora Linux graphical recovery environment

On 3/31/22 5:38 PM, Neal Gompa wrote: Hey all, Earlier this week, the Fedora Workstation WG discussed a ticket brought to us asking for a GUI-based rescue/recovery environment[1]. While we all agreed in principle that such a thing would be a very good thing to have, we don't really know how to

Re: F37 Change: Deprecate Legacy BIOS (System-Wide Change proposal)

On 4/7/22 10:28 AM, Lennart Poettering wrote: On Di, 05.04.22 17:38, Chris Murphy (li...@colorremedies.com) wrote: When users have a suboptimal experience by default, it makes Fedora look bad. We can't have security concerns overriding all other concerns. But it's really pernicious to

Re: F37 Change: Deprecate Legacy BIOS (System-Wide Change proposal)

On 4/5/22 10:52 AM, Ben Cotton wrote: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/DeprecateLegacyBIOS ... It is inevitable that legacy BIOS will be removed in a future release. To ease this transition as best we can, there will be a period (of at least one Fedora release) where it will be possible

Re: RFI/RFC: Fedora Linux graphical recovery environment

On 4/5/22 11:11 AM, Neal Gompa wrote: On Tue, Apr 5, 2022 at 10:47 AM stan via devel wrote: On Mon, 4 Apr 2022 15:58:14 -0500 Gregory Bartholomew wrote: Of topic but related: I wish there was supported option to remove the current rescue kernel, Is echo "dracut_rescue_image=no" >

Re: Packaging web extension native part and shared directory ownership

On 10/18/23 11:36 AM, Jason L Tibbitts III wrote: Robert Marcano via devel writes: I seriously don't know how gnome-browser-connector [1] has ownership of: /usr/lib64/mozilla/native-messaging-hosts and not have conflict problems with mozilla-filesystem at install time, maybe because

Packaging web extension native part and shared directory ownership

In order to install the native side of a web extension, It is needed to place a JSON manifest on predefined directories for each supported browser: /usr/lib64/mozilla/native-messaging-hosts /etc/chromium/native-messaging-hosts /etc/opt/chrome/native-messaging-hosts Creating a package

Re: Live USB rescue mode, do we still have one? Does it work?

On 5/27/22 12:52 PM, Brian C. Lane wrote: On Fri, May 27, 2022 at 09:38:43AM -0400, Stephen Snow wrote: On Wed, 2022-05-25 at 14:02 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: The rescue mode has always been on the traditional installer images, not the lives. It's still there. Unfortunately there is no

Re: F37 Change Proposal: Unfiltered Flathub (System-Wide Change)

On 7/1/22 8:02 AM, Colin Walters wrote: On Thu, Jun 30, 2022, at 10:23 AM, Michael Catanzaro wrote: Regardless, Fedora will still be RPM-based no matter what. ;) Even if our future is OS images composed of RPMs plus Flatpaks composed by RPMs, it's still based on RPMs. I don't think so. I

Re: Why install rsyslog by default?

On 8/25/22 11:02 AM, Barry Scott wrote: I just found that rsyslog is installed and by default creating legacy log files in /var/log like messages and secure. Now that journald has been in Fedora for so long this is useful default to install rsyslog? I don't have it installed. I think it is

Re: F38 proposal: IPP-USB as a weak dependency of CUPS and sane-airscan (Self-Contained Change proposal)

On 1/12/23 1:15 PM, Ben Cotton wrote: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/IPPUSBasPrintScanDependency This document represents a proposed Change. As part of the Changes process, proposals are publicly announced in order to receive community feedback. This proposal will only be implemented if

Fedora 37 slow applications startup, maybe GTK4 / libadwaita???

I have been experiencing slow applications startup on previous Fedora releases, but it was GNOME Settings and it wasn't something I opened too much, didn't dedicate too much time to investigate. I always thought it was some lack of optimizations on GTK4 or libadwaita since these were pretty

Re: F38 proposal: IPP-USB as a weak dependency of CUPS and sane-airscan (Self-Contained Change proposal)

On 1/13/23 8:53 PM, Chris Adams wrote: Once upon a time, Robert Marcano said: Nothing against driverless printing, this is something I really like, bit I think all the move to HTTP is ignoring the feature that is being removed, and that I have an use for. There is not possible to have a

Re: Retiring Bottles in favor of Flatpak provided by upstream

On 1/26/23 8:42 AM, Jiri Eischmann wrote: Vít Ondruch píše v St 25. 01. 2023 v 18:01 +0100: Dne 25. 01. 23 v 15:59 Josh Boyer napsal(a): On Wed, Jan 25, 2023 at 5:56 AM Vít Ondruch wrote: I am not user of Bottles so I won't complain about this particular case, but the push towards

Re: F38 proposal: IPP-USB as a weak dependency of CUPS and sane-airscan (Self-Contained Change proposal)

On 1/18/23 2:46 PM, Robert Marcano wrote: On 1/17/23 8:19 AM, Zdenek Dohnal wrote: Well in a matter of speaking this is doable even without IPP-USB advertised device. Every application can just send data to printer's port and IP or get USB interface handler and talk with the device via USB.

Re: F38 proposal: IPP-USB as a weak dependency of CUPS and sane-airscan (Self-Contained Change proposal)

On 1/17/23 8:19 AM, Zdenek Dohnal wrote: Hi Robert, On 1/13/23 15:12, Robert Marcano via devel wrote: Nothing against driverless printing, this is something I really like, bit I think all the move to HTTP is ignoring the feature that is being removed, and that I have an use

Re: Proposal: drop delta rpms (for real this time)

On 2/23/23 8:24 PM, Dennis Gilmore via devel wrote: On Tue, Feb 21, 2023 at 2:48 PM Matthew Miller > wrote: I was asked to weigh in on https://pagure.io/releng/issue/7215 as a priority. Last time we talked

Re: Proposal: drop delta rpms (for real this time)

On 2/23/23 8:04 PM, Michael Catanzaro wrote: On Fri, Feb 24 2023 at 12:00:40 AM +0100, Björn Persson wrote: There are also other dangers with installing only security fixes. If a bugfix is released and packaged, and later it's discovered that the bug had security implications, then no security

Re: Proposal: drop delta rpms (for real this time)

On 2/24/23 12:35 PM, Gordon Messmer wrote: On 2023-02-24 07:42, Robert Marcano via devel wrote: Does DNF on RHEL for example do something different when --security is involved? Because the RHEL documentation talks about it as a feature to use. Is a lack of metadata for previous updates

Re: Proposal: drop delta rpms (for real this time)

On 2/24/23 12:01 PM, Chris Adams wrote: Once upon a time, Robert Marcano via devel said: Does DNF on RHEL for example do something different when --security is involved? Because the RHEL documentation talks about it as a feature to use. Is a lack of metadata for previous updates the problem

Re: It’s time to transform the Fedora devel list into something new

On 4/20/23 5:20 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: It’s time to transform the Fedora devel list into something new === As someone that read this list 99% ot the time and 1% for replying, I have no problem with having a web based forum for

Re: It’s time to transform the Fedora devel list into something new

On 4/21/23 8:17 AM, Robert Marcano wrote: On 4/20/23 5:20 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: It’s time to transform the Fedora devel list into something new === As someone that read this list 99% ot the time and 1% for replying, I have no

Re: F39 Change Proposal: Build JDKs once, repack everywhere (System-Wide Change)

On 5/31/23 9:44 AM, Gerd Hoffmann wrote: On Wed, May 31, 2023 at 03:32:09PM +0200, Vitaly Zaitsev via devel wrote: On 31/05/2023 14:53, Jiri Vanek wrote: It is built from sources of course! What make you think it is not? For double ensurenes, see the fesco ticket in proposal. IMO,

Re: LibreOffice packages

On 6/5/23 2:05 PM, Chris Adams wrote: Once upon a time, Stephen Smoogen said: 1. What is a flatpak and what does it mean to have an application in it? Is it everything bundled in it or does it use layers? It's layered, but from what I understand, an upper layer depends on a specific build of

Re: F39 Change Proposal: Build JDKs once, repack everywhere (System-Wide Change)

On 5/31/23 2:02 PM, Chris Adams wrote: Once upon a time, Vitaly Zaitsev said: All program binaries and program libraries included in Fedora packages must be built from the source code that is included in the source package. So... aside from making an exception in the guidelines, it'd also be

Re: F39 Change Proposal: Build JDKs once, repack everywhere (System-Wide Change)

On 6/1/23 3:51 AM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: On Wed, May 31, 2023 at 05:27:47PM +0200, Jiri Vanek wrote: This was heavily discussed when we moved to portable build in rpms - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/JdkInTreeLibsAndStdclibStatic Long story short yes, if yo wish to distribute jdk

Re: F39 Change Proposal: Build JDKs once, repack everywhere (System-Wide Change)

On 6/1/23 8:33 AM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: On Thu, Jun 01, 2023 at 08:28:18AM -0400, Robert Marcano via devel wrote: On 6/1/23 3:51 AM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: On Wed, May 31, 2023 at 05:27:47PM +0200, Jiri Vanek wrote: This was heavily discussed when we moved to portable build in rpms

Re: LibreOffice packages

On 6/2/23 8:49 AM, Terry Bowling wrote: I appreciate and am empathetic to all of those carrying the burden of this and the thousands of other RPM packages.  As a users of Fedora + RPM Fusion + Cinnamon Desktop as my daily laptop driver since 2011, I love Fedora and am a heavy user of

Re: F40 Change Proposal: Optimized Binaries for the AMD64 Architecture (System-Wide)

On 12/28/23 12:58 PM, Chris Adams wrote: Once upon a time, Aoife Moloney said: Systemd will be modified to insert the additional directories into the `$PATH` environment variable (affecting all programs on the system) Anything that depends on PATH entries is IMHO doomed to failure. There

Re: F40 Change Proposal: Optimized Binaries for the AMD64 Architecture (System-Wide)

On 12/28/23 1:25 PM, Robert Marcano wrote: On 12/28/23 12:58 PM, Chris Adams wrote: Once upon a time, Aoife Moloney said: Systemd will be modified to insert the additional directories into the `$PATH` environment variable (affecting all programs on the system) Anything that depends on PATH

Re: F40 Change Proposal: Optimized Binaries for the AMD64 Architecture (System-Wide)

On 1/19/24 12:58 PM, Robert Marcano wrote: On 12/28/23 1:25 PM, Robert Marcano wrote: On 12/28/23 12:58 PM, Chris Adams wrote: Once upon a time, Aoife Moloney said: Systemd will be modified to insert the additional directories into the `$PATH` environment variable (affecting all programs on