Re: Important Announcement: Freenet naming change

Hi Ian, how are you? Being a lurker of Freenet in the last 10 years, after my initial involvement,  I have no moral right to discuss the subject. But in fact, I too do not understand the total silence on this subject on all Freenet lists, including announce, before you mail. IMHO it will be

Re: Important Announcement: Freenet naming change

Ian Clarke writes: > I know exactly who he is, I was asking who he was speaking on behalf > of since he was claiming to speak on behalf of the "Freenet > community", quite a bold claim. He did not claim that. It’s just how it seemed to you. Yet despite not claiming it, Steve actually has the

Re: Important Announcement: Freenet naming change

On Wed, Jan 18, 2023 at 4:53 AM Marco A. Calamari wrote: Hi Marco, I hope you are well. But in fact, I too do not understand the total silence on this subject on > all Freenet lists, including announce, before you mail. > As I said, I have been discussing this with Arne for 18 months to ensure

Re: Important Announcement: Freenet naming change

Ian, for over 10 years, I have been a member of the Freenet community, too. You have some grave misunderstandings which I would like to clear up. They concern: - what you think you're entitled to do vs. what you actually are. - what you think your personal qualities are vs. the actual ones. -

Re: Important Announcement: Freenet naming change

On Tue, Jan 17, 2023 at 11:49 PM Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide wrote: > > Ian Clarke writes: > > Apologies to mutt users, but Freenet's mainstream brand recognition has > been on an uninterrupted > > downward trajectory since 2004: > > > > freenet-trend.png > > You are showing the US-trend. Let’s

Re: Important Announcement: Freenet naming change

Hi Ian, I'll help answer that one: He is a long-standing volunteer who is one of the current Release Managers; He has also been helping me with system administration for the project and still has access to most systems to this day. The fact that you are not aware of it just goes to show how

Re: Important Announcement: Freenet naming change

You're entitled to your opinion, but I don't agree. On Wed, Jan 18, 2023 at 9:33 AM Freenet304987 wrote: > Ian, > > for over 10 years, I have been a member of the Freenet community, too. > > You have some grave misunderstandings which I would like to clear up. > > They concern: > - what you

Re: Important Announcement: Freenet naming change

On Wed, Jan 18, 2023 at 9:40 AM Florent Daigniere < florent-free...@daigniere.com> wrote: > I'll help answer that one: He is a long-standing volunteer who is one of > the current Release Managers; He has also been helping me with system > administration for the project and still has access to

Re: Important Announcement: Freenet naming change

Ian Clarke wrote: > The constituency I'm concerned with are the children growing up > today facing a world where technology is a force of oppression > and control, not a force for good. Business as usual hasn't > addressed this and won't address it, that's why I'm doing > something about it.

More information on Locutus

A number of people have said that they haven't heard much about Locutus, so here are some pointers: - A video introduction to Locutus from July 2022 - A video interview I did with Louis Rossmann (a popular

Re: Important Announcement: Freenet naming change

On Wed, Jan 18, 2023 at 11:08 AM David Dernoncourt wrote: > As "just a regular user" and node runner who just poked around a few PRs, > the main issues I have with this are 1) "what the Hell is Locutus" and 2) > wow that's confusing. > > Sure, 1) is just (mostly) a rhetorical question. But it

Re: Important Announcement: Freenet naming change

On Wed, Jan 18, 2023 at 11:11 AM Juiceman wrote: > On Wed, Jan 18, 2023, 12:08 PM David Dernoncourt > wrote: > >> As "just a regular user" and node runner who just poked around a few PRs, >> the main issues I have with this are 1) "what the Hell is Locutus" and 2) >> wow that's confusing. >> >>

Re: Important Announcement: Freenet naming change

On Wed, Jan 18, 2023 at 11:40 AM Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide wrote: > > Ian Clarke writes: > > What "room"? I've already said, the constituency I care about is the > next generation. You don't speak for them. > > You do not care about the currently existing, vibrant Freenet Community? > I care

Re: Important Announcement: Freenet naming change

Ian Clarke writes: > On Wed, Jan 18, 2023 at 11:40 AM Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide > wrote: > > Ian Clarke writes: > > What "room"? I've already said, the constituency I care about is the next > generation. You don't speak for them. > > You do not care about the currently existing, vibrant

Re: Important Announcement: Freenet naming change

Ian Clarke wrote: > > The core of it is the opinion of **EVERYONE** in this room, > > Nobody wants your forced theft of the project's name, > > not even a minority! > > What "room"? This mailing list. Almost everyone who is important on the team is currently here. They're all telling you "no".

Re: Important Announcement: Freenet naming change

Ian Clarke wrote: > > You do not care about the currently existing, vibrant Freenet > > Community? > > I care about the maintainers and users of Fred, and I've said I > do If you care so much about the maintainers, then why are you ignoring the fact that they are **all** here, right now,

Re: Important Announcement: Freenet naming change

Ian Clarke wrote: > You're entitled to your opinion, but I don't agree. That's another grave misunderstanding: This is not "my" opinion. The core of it is the opinion of **EVERYONE** in this room, Nobody wants your forced theft of the project's name, not even a minority! And the rest of what I

Re: Important Announcement: Freenet naming change

On Wed, Jan 18, 2023, 12:08 PM David Dernoncourt wrote: > As "just a regular user" and node runner who just poked around a few PRs, > the main issues I have with this are 1) "what the Hell is Locutus" and 2) > wow that's confusing. > > Sure, 1) is just (mostly) a rhetorical question. But it

Re: Important Announcement: Freenet naming change

On Wed, Jan 18, 2023 at 11:05 AM Freenet304987 wrote: > Ian Clarke wrote: > > You're entitled to your opinion, but I don't agree. > > That's another grave misunderstanding: > This is not "my" opinion. > Yes it is. > The core of it is the opinion of **EVERYONE** in this room, > Nobody wants

Re: Important Announcement: Freenet naming change

As "just a regular user" and node runner who just poked around a few PRs, the main issues I have with this are 1) "what the Hell is Locutus" and 2) wow that's confusing. Sure, 1) is just (mostly) a rhetorical question. But it seems quite an unusual thing to "steal" the name of a software (even

Re: Important Announcement: Freenet naming change

On Wed, Jan 18, 2023 at 10:55 AM Freenet304987 wrote: > Ian Clarke wrote: > That's fine. > But you absolutely do **not** have to steal the name of an existing > software for that. > The name - which I came up with - never belonged to one codebase, it belonged to the mission. This was the case

Re: Important Announcement: Freenet naming change

Ian Clarke writes: > What "room"? I've already said, the constituency I care about is the next > generation. You don't speak for them. You do not care about the currently existing, vibrant Freenet Community? Best wishes, Arne -- Unpolitisch sein heißt politisch sein, ohne es zu merken.

Re: Important Announcement: Freenet naming change

It's interesting how the word "I" is used persistently by Mr. Clarke, even though it was a (supposedly) group decision made by the board. If this decision was indeed made by a group of people, after debating and evaluating the pros, cons and consequences of same, I would've expected the word

Re: Important Announcement: Freenet naming change

You are a random, anonymous person with some unqualified sense of importance using personal attacks to accomplish I'm not sure actually, what are you trying to accomplish? This conversation isn't really helpful anymore and should have ended about 20 emails ago. Veiled insults and being living

Re: Important Announcement: Freenet naming change

On Wed, Jan 18, 2023, at 19:32, Ian Clarke wrote: > On Wed, Jan 18, 2023 at 11:08 AM David Dernoncourt > wrote: >> As "just a regular user" and node runner who just poked around a few PRs, >> the main issues I have with this are 1) "what the Hell is Locutus" and 2) >> wow that's confusing. >>

Re: Important Announcement: Freenet naming change

Ian Clarke wrote: > Freenet304987 wrote: > > But you absolutely do **not** have to steal the name of an existing > > software for that. > > The name - which I came up with - never belonged to one codebase, it > belonged to the mission. This was the case from the beginning, which > is precisely

Re: Important Announcement: Freenet naming change

Michael Grube wrote: > You are a random, anonymous person with some unqualified sense of > importance I am unimportant. Where did I talk about myself? I'm talking about the people who run this project who Ian is ignoring. Anonymously precisely because who I am is irrelevant. > I'm not sure

Re: Important Announcement: Freenet naming change

On Wed, Jan 18, 2023 at 2:12 PM Freenet304987 wrote: > Ian Clarke wrote: > > The name - which I came up with - never belonged to one codebase, it > > belonged to the mission. This was the case from the beginning, which > > is precisely why our mission statement didn't mention any specific > >

Re: Important Announcement: Freenet naming change

[resending, last one was sent from an old email address accidentally - I need to leave and rejoin this ML]. Firstly, you have no idea how most users of Fred feel about this change, so I hope you're not implying that they all agree with you. There is a lot of "argumentum ad populum" going on in

Re: Important Announcement: Freenet naming change

On Wed, Jan 18, 2023, 4:47 PM David Dernoncourt wrote: > On Wed, Jan 18, 2023, at 19:32, Ian Clarke wrote: > > That's not what's happening. The name always belonged to the *mission*, > > not to any particular piece of software. This is why we were careful > > not to tie it to any particular

Re: Important Announcement: Freenet naming change

On Thu, Jan 19, 2023, at 00:13, Ian Clarke wrote: > On Wed, Jan 18, 2023, 4:47 PM David Dernoncourt > wrote: >> On Wed, Jan 18, 2023, at 19:32, Ian Clarke wrote: >> > That's not what's happening. The name always belonged to the *mission*, >> > not to any particular piece of software. This is

Re: Important Announcement: Freenet naming change

On Wed, Jan 18, 2023 at 5:57 PM David Dernoncourt wrote: > >> Maybe that's how you intended it originally, but with the possible > exceptions of the devs who work on the depot named "fred" and maybe some > users who are really experts and die-hard on wording accuracy, what most > users call