Re: [OT] Windows dying

2017-11-10 Thread Kagamin via Digitalmars-d
On Tuesday, 7 November 2017 at 19:10:50 UTC, bauss wrote: See: https://github.com/mysql-d/mysql-native/issues/100 There's also reported issues like this one: https://issues.dlang.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15183 Walter said somewhere that submitting objs should be enough.

Re: [OT] Windows dying

2017-11-08 Thread codephantom via Digitalmars-d
On Wednesday, 8 November 2017 at 06:24:38 UTC, Patrick Schluter wrote: It has nothing to do with lazyness. If you're behind a proxy that abomination of a installer of Visual Studio doesn't work. I tried several times, offline and online setup, read the Studio forums. Studio 2017 installer

Re: [OT] Windows dying

2017-11-08 Thread Jerry via Digitalmars-d
On Wednesday, 8 November 2017 at 06:24:38 UTC, Patrick Schluter wrote: On Tuesday, 7 November 2017 at 20:44:57 UTC, Jerry wrote: It's amazing how many people are so lazy to download Visual Studio, and some of the stupidest reason for not wanting to download it to boot. It has nothing to do

Re: [OT] Windows dying

2017-11-08 Thread codephantom via Digitalmars-d
On Wednesday, 8 November 2017 at 07:33:53 UTC, Walter Bright wrote: Nobody is obliged to work on any platform they don't want to work on. And nobody is entitled to berate anyone for working on any platform they want to. Yeah...right on..! btw. Windows XP is still the best o/s I ever 'owned'.

Re: [OT] Windows dying

2017-11-07 Thread Walter Bright via Digitalmars-d
On 11/1/2017 11:42 AM, Bo wrote: And frankly, Walter or whoever, there needed to have been put a stop to this anti Windows bullshit several days ago. As long as people use this level of disrespect towards community members because they are not using the "right" platform. Don't worry,

Re: [OT] Windows dying

2017-11-07 Thread Walter Bright via Digitalmars-d
On 11/1/2017 11:59 AM, Adam D. Ruppe wrote: Windows 32 bit is the special one - it is the ONLY platform where D works out of the box without additional downloads. That's one reason why I advocate it for just playing around - it just works. Yay Digital Mars C++ :-)

Re: [OT] Windows dying

2017-11-07 Thread Tony via Digitalmars-d
On Monday, 6 November 2017 at 08:33:16 UTC, Joakim wrote: The vast majority of users would be covered by 5-10 GBs of available storage, which is why the lowest tier of even the luxury iPhone was 16 GBs until last year. Every time I talk to normal people, ie non-techies unlike us, and ask

Re: [OT] Windows dying

2017-11-07 Thread Patrick Schluter via Digitalmars-d
On Tuesday, 7 November 2017 at 20:44:57 UTC, Jerry wrote: It's amazing how many people are so lazy to download Visual Studio, and some of the stupidest reason for not wanting to download it to boot. It has nothing to do with lazyness. If you're behind a proxy that abomination of a installer

Re: [OT] Windows dying

2017-11-07 Thread Jerry via Digitalmars-d
On Tuesday, 7 November 2017 at 23:04:09 UTC, bauss wrote: On Tuesday, 7 November 2017 at 20:44:57 UTC, Jerry wrote: On Tuesday, 7 November 2017 at 19:10:50 UTC, bauss wrote: On Wednesday, 1 November 2017 at 18:59:21 UTC, Adam D. Ruppe wrote: On Wednesday, 1 November 2017 at 18:42:07 UTC, Bo

Re: [OT] Windows dying

2017-11-07 Thread bauss via Digitalmars-d
On Tuesday, 7 November 2017 at 20:44:57 UTC, Jerry wrote: On Tuesday, 7 November 2017 at 19:10:50 UTC, bauss wrote: On Wednesday, 1 November 2017 at 18:59:21 UTC, Adam D. Ruppe wrote: On Wednesday, 1 November 2017 at 18:42:07 UTC, Bo wrote: There is a issue with Windows. The whole attacking

Re: [OT] Windows dying

2017-11-07 Thread Jerry via Digitalmars-d
On Tuesday, 7 November 2017 at 19:10:50 UTC, bauss wrote: On Wednesday, 1 November 2017 at 18:59:21 UTC, Adam D. Ruppe wrote: On Wednesday, 1 November 2017 at 18:42:07 UTC, Bo wrote: There is a issue with Windows. The whole attacking the messenger, the whole idiotic argumentation's that

Re: [OT] Windows dying

2017-11-07 Thread bauss via Digitalmars-d
On Wednesday, 1 November 2017 at 18:59:21 UTC, Adam D. Ruppe wrote: On Wednesday, 1 November 2017 at 18:42:07 UTC, Bo wrote: There is a issue with Windows. The whole attacking the messenger, the whole idiotic argumentation's that Windows is dying, it is all pure useless trolling the people who

Re: [OT] Windows dying

2017-11-07 Thread Arjan via Digitalmars-d
On Tuesday, 7 November 2017 at 13:59:26 UTC, codephantom wrote: But I think what really made it take off so fast and unexpectadly, was the convergence of mobile devices, mobile communication technology (i.e wifi, gps and stuff), and of course the internet... as well as the ability to find

Re: [OT] Windows dying

2017-11-07 Thread Ola Fosheim Grøstad via Digitalmars-d
On Tuesday, 7 November 2017 at 14:33:28 UTC, Joakim wrote: similarity of APIs between macOS and iOS, but obviously there are significant developer and IDE differences in targeting a mobile OS versus a desktop OS, even if iOS was initially forked from macOS. Not in my experience… There are

Re: [OT] Windows dying

2017-11-07 Thread codephantom via Digitalmars-d
On Tuesday, 7 November 2017 at 14:33:28 UTC, Joakim wrote: Hopefully that means we'll see more competition in mobile than just android/iOS in the future. Watch out for the MINIX3/NetBSD combo...a microkernel coupled with a BSD-unix that can run on pretty much anything. It may well be the

Re: [OT] Windows dying

2017-11-07 Thread jmh530 via Digitalmars-d
On Tuesday, 7 November 2017 at 14:43:14 UTC, Ola Fosheim Grøstad wrote: The CPU-architecture generations follow a tic-toc pattern where the tics mean you have a new architecture and the toc means you have an improved manufacturing process. I don't think that has something to do with Xeon.

Re: [OT] Windows dying

2017-11-07 Thread Ola Fosheim Grøstad via Digitalmars-d
On Tuesday, 7 November 2017 at 14:03:31 UTC, rikki cattermole wrote: The way I think of it is that Xeon's get all the newest and greatest features, with them slowly trickling down to the i-series. Invest in the Xeon production line one generation and in next use it for i7's ext. Basically R

Re: [OT] Windows dying

2017-11-07 Thread Joakim via Digitalmars-d
On Tuesday, 7 November 2017 at 11:12:19 UTC, codephantom wrote: On Tuesday, 7 November 2017 at 08:53:46 UTC, Joakim wrote: No, the reason they don't improve is consumers don't need the performance. I don't agree. Consumers would welcome more performance - and many of us 'need' it too.

Re: [OT] Windows dying

2017-11-07 Thread Ola Fosheim Grøstad via Digitalmars-d
On Tuesday, 7 November 2017 at 13:59:26 UTC, codephantom wrote: Microsoft had the vision though, and they had it earlier than perhaps anyone else. But the vision was too far ahead of its time, and, around the early 2000's they refused to lose any more money, put it on the back burner, and

Re: [OT] Windows dying

2017-11-07 Thread rikki cattermole via Digitalmars-d
On 07/11/2017 1:48 PM, Ola Fosheim Grøstad wrote: On Tuesday, 7 November 2017 at 13:29:19 UTC, rikki cattermole wrote: On 07/11/2017 12:58 PM, Ola Fosheim Grøstad wrote: On Tuesday, 7 November 2017 at 11:31:03 UTC, rikki cattermole wrote: I am quite surprised that Intel even created i9

Re: [OT] Windows dying

2017-11-07 Thread codephantom via Digitalmars-d
On Monday, 6 November 2017 at 08:33:16 UTC, Joakim wrote: Also, nobody saw mobile growing so gigantic, so fast, not even Jobs by all indications. Mobile has really been a tidal wave over the last decade. Funny how all you hear is bitching and whining from a bunch of devs on proggit/HN about

Re: [OT] Windows dying

2017-11-07 Thread Ola Fosheim Grøstad via Digitalmars-d
On Tuesday, 7 November 2017 at 13:29:19 UTC, rikki cattermole wrote: On 07/11/2017 12:58 PM, Ola Fosheim Grøstad wrote: On Tuesday, 7 November 2017 at 11:31:03 UTC, rikki cattermole wrote: I am quite surprised that Intel even created i9 actually, it just wasn't required. AMD Ryzen

Re: [OT] Windows dying

2017-11-07 Thread rikki cattermole via Digitalmars-d
On 07/11/2017 12:58 PM, Ola Fosheim Grøstad wrote: On Tuesday, 7 November 2017 at 11:31:03 UTC, rikki cattermole wrote: I am quite surprised that Intel even created i9 actually, it just wasn't required. AMD Ryzen Threadripper: https://www.cpubenchmark.net/high_end_cpus.html I do not trust

Re: [OT] Windows dying

2017-11-07 Thread Ola Fosheim Grøstad via Digitalmars-d
On Tuesday, 7 November 2017 at 11:31:03 UTC, rikki cattermole wrote: I am quite surprised that Intel even created i9 actually, it just wasn't required. AMD Ryzen Threadripper: https://www.cpubenchmark.net/high_end_cpus.html

Re: [OT] Windows dying

2017-11-07 Thread Ola Fosheim Grøstad via Digitalmars-d
On Tuesday, 7 November 2017 at 08:53:46 UTC, Joakim wrote: One is a touch-first mobile OS that heavily restricts what you can do in the background and didn't even have a file manager until this year, while the other is a classic desktop OS, so there are significant differences. Yes, there

Re: [OT] Windows dying

2017-11-07 Thread rikki cattermole via Digitalmars-d
On 07/11/2017 11:12 AM, codephantom wrote: On Tuesday, 7 November 2017 at 08:53:46 UTC, Joakim wrote: No, the reason they don't improve is consumers don't need the performance. I don't agree. Consumers would welcome more performance - and many of us 'need' it too. But cpu's have hit the

Re: [OT] Windows dying

2017-11-07 Thread codephantom via Digitalmars-d
On Tuesday, 7 November 2017 at 08:53:46 UTC, Joakim wrote: No, the reason they don't improve is consumers don't need the performance. I don't agree. Consumers would welcome more performance - and many of us 'need' it too. But cpu's have hit the heat barrier, and so manufacturers tend to

Re: [OT] Windows dying

2017-11-07 Thread Joakim via Digitalmars-d
On Tuesday, 7 November 2017 at 07:57:11 UTC, Ola Fosheim Grøstad wrote: On Monday, 6 November 2017 at 08:33:16 UTC, Joakim wrote: Sure, they took existing IDEs and refocused them towards mobile development. XCode better be focused on iOS, as that's pretty much all that devs are using it for

Re: [OT] Windows dying

2017-11-07 Thread Ola Fosheim Grøstad via Digitalmars-d
On Monday, 6 November 2017 at 08:33:16 UTC, Joakim wrote: Sure, they took existing IDEs and refocused them towards mobile development. XCode better be focused on iOS, as that's pretty much all that devs are using it for these days. iOS has always been mostly a subset of OS-X. There are some

Re: [OT] Windows dying

2017-11-06 Thread Jerry via Digitalmars-d
On Saturday, 4 November 2017 at 02:33:35 UTC, Computermatronic wrote: I, like many other windows users, want to be able to compile 64bit binaries in windows, without having to download and install the bloated and time consuming to download and install Visual Studio. I do most of my

Re: [OT] Windows dying

2017-11-06 Thread Joakim via Digitalmars-d
On Monday, 6 November 2017 at 06:37:52 UTC, Tony wrote: On Friday, 3 November 2017 at 14:12:56 UTC, Joakim wrote: I don't know why you're so obsessed with storage when even midrange smartphones come with 32 GBs nowadays, expandable to much more with an SD card. My tablet has only 16 GBs of

Re: [OT] Windows dying

2017-11-05 Thread Tony via Digitalmars-d
On Friday, 3 November 2017 at 14:12:56 UTC, Joakim wrote: I don't know why you're so obsessed with storage when even midrange smartphones come with 32 GBs nowadays, expandable to much more with an SD card. My tablet has only 16 GBs of storage, with only 10-12 actually accessible, but I've

Re: [OT] Windows dying

2017-11-03 Thread codephantom via Digitalmars-d
On Saturday, 4 November 2017 at 02:33:35 UTC, Computermatronic wrote: Can we please get back on topic please? Umm... we haven't been 'on topic' since about 210 threads ago ;-) When...Adam decided to claim that "..the few that don't will have little trouble understanding why they need it

Re: [OT] Windows dying

2017-11-03 Thread Computermatronic via Digitalmars-d
On Friday, 3 November 2017 at 18:26:54 UTC, Joakim wrote: On Friday, 3 November 2017 at 18:08:54 UTC, 12345swordy wrote: On Friday, 3 November 2017 at 17:25:26 UTC, Joakim wrote: Most programmers will one day be coding on mobile devices, though I admit I'm in a small, early-adopting minority

Re: [OT] Windows dying

2017-11-03 Thread jmh530 via Digitalmars-d
On Friday, 3 November 2017 at 21:33:19 UTC, Joakim wrote: Sure you can, with the right adapter: https://www.lifewire.com/how-to-connect-usb-devices-to-ipad-1999862 I routinely transfer HD video from my Android devices to a couple TB external slim HDs. I'm not disputing Android. Just saying

Re: [OT] Windows dying

2017-11-03 Thread Joakim via Digitalmars-d
On Friday, 3 November 2017 at 20:36:57 UTC, jmh530 wrote: On Friday, 3 November 2017 at 20:05:52 UTC, Joakim wrote: 5) I can easily move my data, etc. to another device if I decide to. Check, mobile devices usually support such transfer better than PCs. "mobile devices" meaning Android

Re: [OT] Windows dying

2017-11-03 Thread jmh530 via Digitalmars-d
On Friday, 3 November 2017 at 20:05:52 UTC, Joakim wrote: 5) I can easily move my data, etc. to another device if I decide to. Check, mobile devices usually support such transfer better than PCs. "mobile devices" meaning Android devices. I can't stick a USB flash drive in a iPad.

Re: [OT] Windows dying

2017-11-03 Thread Joakim via Digitalmars-d
On Friday, 3 November 2017 at 19:23:51 UTC, Craig Dillabaugh wrote: On Friday, 3 November 2017 at 18:26:54 UTC, Joakim wrote: On Friday, 3 November 2017 at 18:08:54 UTC, 12345swordy wrote: On Friday, 3 November 2017 at 17:25:26 UTC, Joakim wrote: Most programmers will one day be coding on

Re: [OT] Windows dying

2017-11-03 Thread Craig Dillabaugh via Digitalmars-d
On Friday, 3 November 2017 at 18:26:54 UTC, Joakim wrote: On Friday, 3 November 2017 at 18:08:54 UTC, 12345swordy wrote: On Friday, 3 November 2017 at 17:25:26 UTC, Joakim wrote: Most programmers will one day be coding on mobile devices, though I admit I'm in a small, early-adopting minority

Re: [OT] Windows dying

2017-11-03 Thread Joakim via Digitalmars-d
On Friday, 3 November 2017 at 18:08:54 UTC, 12345swordy wrote: On Friday, 3 November 2017 at 17:25:26 UTC, Joakim wrote: Most programmers will one day be coding on mobile devices, though I admit I'm in a small, early-adopting minority now:

Re: [OT] Windows dying

2017-11-03 Thread Ola Fosheim Grøstad via Digitalmars-d
On Friday, 3 November 2017 at 14:29:27 UTC, jmh530 wrote: You want to be able to compile D programs that go on a smart phone because that's where the growth of computer users is coming from. That's not all that obvious. I think a lot of the adults who got computers in the mid 90s did so to

Re: [OT] Windows dying

2017-11-03 Thread 12345swordy via Digitalmars-d
On Friday, 3 November 2017 at 17:25:26 UTC, Joakim wrote: Most programmers will one day be coding on mobile devices, though I admit I'm in a small, early-adopting minority now: http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/six-weeks-working-android/ A blog post is not evidence that the majority of

Re: [OT] Windows dying

2017-11-03 Thread Joakim via Digitalmars-d
On Friday, 3 November 2017 at 14:29:27 UTC, jmh530 wrote: On Friday, 3 November 2017 at 14:12:56 UTC, Joakim wrote: [snip] But that established PC userbase shrinking is not what you should be worried about. I've talked to multiple middle-class consumers in developing markets- they would be

Re: [OT] Windows dying

2017-11-03 Thread jmh530 via Digitalmars-d
On Friday, 3 November 2017 at 14:12:56 UTC, Joakim wrote: [snip] But that established PC userbase shrinking is not what you should be worried about. I've talked to multiple middle-class consumers in developing markets- they would be considered poor in the US if you converted their income to

Re: [OT] Windows dying

2017-11-03 Thread Joakim via Digitalmars-d
On Friday, 3 November 2017 at 11:57:58 UTC, Tony wrote: On Friday, 3 November 2017 at 09:16:42 UTC, Joakim wrote: Why do predictions about the future matter when at the present Windows dominates the desktop and is also strong in the server space? Because that desktop market matters much

Re: [OT] Windows dying

2017-11-03 Thread Tony via Digitalmars-d
On Friday, 3 November 2017 at 09:16:42 UTC, Joakim wrote: Why do predictions about the future matter when at the present Windows dominates the desktop and is also strong in the server space? Because that desktop market matters much less than it did before, see the current mobile dominance,

Re: [OT] Windows dying

2017-11-03 Thread Joakim via Digitalmars-d
On Thursday, 2 November 2017 at 05:13:42 UTC, H. S. Teoh wrote: One thing is clear, though: claiming that Windows is "dead" is, frankly, ridiculous. Even a non-Windows person like me who rarely has any reason to notice things Windows-related, can see enough circumstantial evidence around me

Re: [OT] Windows dying

2017-11-03 Thread Tony via Digitalmars-d
On Wednesday, 1 November 2017 at 08:49:05 UTC, Joakim wrote: On Wednesday, 1 November 2017 at 00:16:19 UTC, Mengu wrote: On Monday, 30 October 2017 at 13:32:23 UTC, Joakim wrote: I don't know how intense your data analysis is, but I replaced a Win7 ultrabook that had a dual-core i5 and 4 GBs

Re: [OT] Windows dying

2017-11-02 Thread H. S. Teoh via Digitalmars-d
On Thu, Nov 02, 2017 at 11:38:21AM +0200, Shachar Shemesh via Digitalmars-d wrote: > On 02/11/17 07:13, H. S. Teoh wrote: > > There is another side to this argument, though. How many times have > > *you* reviewed the source code of the software that you use on a > > daily basis? Do you really

Re: [OT] Windows dying

2017-11-02 Thread H. S. Teoh via Digitalmars-d
On Thu, Nov 02, 2017 at 08:53:07AM +, Patrick Schluter via Digitalmars-d wrote: > On Thursday, 2 November 2017 at 05:13:42 UTC, H. S. Teoh wrote: [...] > And that's a nice argument for D (dmd, phobos) as it is quite compact and > relatively well written so that it can be reviewed by mere

Re: [OT] Windows dying

2017-11-02 Thread H. S. Teoh via Digitalmars-d
On Thu, Nov 02, 2017 at 09:16:02AM +, Dave Jones via Digitalmars-d wrote: > On Thursday, 2 November 2017 at 08:59:05 UTC, Patrick Schluter wrote: > > On Thursday, 2 November 2017 at 06:28:52 UTC, codephantom wrote: > > > > > > But Ken Thompson summed it all up nicely: "You can't trust code >

Re: [OT] Windows dying

2017-11-02 Thread H. S. Teoh via Digitalmars-d
On Thu, Nov 02, 2017 at 07:08:51AM +, codephantom via Digitalmars-d wrote: > On Wednesday, 1 November 2017 at 18:42:07 UTC, Bo wrote: > > Linux as a market that is so fragmented on the desktop level. > > This demonstrates an all to often misunderstanding of the purpose of > Linux, and open

Re: [OT] Windows dying

2017-11-02 Thread Shachar Shemesh via Digitalmars-d
On 02/11/17 07:13, H. S. Teoh wrote: There is another side to this argument, though. How many times have *you* reviewed the source code of the software that you use on a daily basis? Do you really*trust* the code that you theoretically*can* review, but haven't actually reviewed? Do you

Re: [OT] Windows dying

2017-11-02 Thread Dave Jones via Digitalmars-d
On Thursday, 2 November 2017 at 08:59:05 UTC, Patrick Schluter wrote: On Thursday, 2 November 2017 at 06:28:52 UTC, codephantom wrote: But Ken Thompson summed it all up nicely: "You can't trust code that you did not totally create yourself." Even that is wrong. You can trust code you create

Re: [OT] Windows dying

2017-11-02 Thread Patrick Schluter via Digitalmars-d
On Thursday, 2 November 2017 at 06:28:52 UTC, codephantom wrote: But Ken Thompson summed it all up nicely: "You can't trust code that you did not totally create yourself." Even that is wrong. You can trust code you create yourself only if it was reviewed by others as involved as you. I do

Re: [OT] Windows dying

2017-11-02 Thread Patrick Schluter via Digitalmars-d
On Thursday, 2 November 2017 at 05:13:42 UTC, H. S. Teoh wrote: On Thu, Nov 02, 2017 at 04:13:39AM +, codephantom via Digitalmars-d wrote: On Wednesday, 1 November 2017 at 18:42:07 UTC, Bo wrote: > /Signed: A pissed off Windows user I think you've summed it all up right there ;-) But

Re: [OT] Windows dying

2017-11-02 Thread codephantom via Digitalmars-d
On Wednesday, 1 November 2017 at 18:42:07 UTC, Bo wrote: Linux as a market that is so fragmented on the desktop level. This demonstrates an all to often misunderstanding of the purpose of Linux, and open source in general (depending on what licence is used). Fragmentation is an important,

Re: [OT] Windows dying

2017-11-02 Thread codephantom via Digitalmars-d
On Thursday, 2 November 2017 at 06:28:52 UTC, codephantom wrote: Linus gave a great talk about this important principle back in 2001: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVTWCPoUt8w btw. 36:12 is a good starting point in the video, it's where Ken Thompson (yes, the one and only) asks Linus a

Re: [OT] Windows dying

2017-11-02 Thread codephantom via Digitalmars-d
On Thursday, 2 November 2017 at 05:13:42 UTC, H. S. Teoh wrote: There is another side to this argument, though. How many times have *you* reviewed the source code of the software that you use on a daily basis? Do you really *trust* the code that you theoretically *can* review, but haven't

Re: [OT] Windows dying

2017-11-01 Thread H. S. Teoh via Digitalmars-d
On Thu, Nov 02, 2017 at 04:13:39AM +, codephantom via Digitalmars-d wrote: > On Wednesday, 1 November 2017 at 18:42:07 UTC, Bo wrote: > > /Signed: A pissed off Windows user > > I think you've summed it all up right there ;-) > > But seriously, Windows rightly has its place... and for good

Re: [OT] Windows dying

2017-11-01 Thread codephantom via Digitalmars-d
On Wednesday, 1 November 2017 at 18:42:07 UTC, Bo wrote: /Signed: A pissed off Windows user I think you've summed it all up right there ;-) But seriously, Windows rightly has its place... and for good reasons. Most importantly, it provided the ease of installation along with a easy to use

Re: [OT] Windows dying

2017-11-01 Thread jmh530 via Digitalmars-d
On Wednesday, 1 November 2017 at 21:55:56 UTC, Joakim wrote: [snip] I'm not sure anybody cares about these market share arguments anyway. Ha, fair enough.

Re: [OT] Windows dying

2017-11-01 Thread Joakim via Digitalmars-d
On Wednesday, 1 November 2017 at 21:19:55 UTC, jmh530 wrote: On Wednesday, 1 November 2017 at 19:49:04 UTC, Joakim wrote: As for saying Windows is dying, that is a factual examination of the data When you say it is dying, I (and perhaps most others) would assume the argument you are making

Re: [OT] Windows dying

2017-11-01 Thread jmh530 via Digitalmars-d
On Wednesday, 1 November 2017 at 21:19:55 UTC, jmh530 wrote: When you say it is dying, I (and perhaps most others) would assume the argument you are making is that not only is Windows in decline, but also that it is about to no longer exist as a meaningful platform for programmers to code

Re: [OT] Windows dying

2017-11-01 Thread jmh530 via Digitalmars-d
On Wednesday, 1 November 2017 at 19:49:04 UTC, Joakim wrote: As for saying Windows is dying, that is a factual examination of the data When you say it is dying, I (and perhaps most others) would assume the argument you are making is that not only is Windows in decline, but also that it is

Re: [OT] Windows dying

2017-11-01 Thread Joakim via Digitalmars-d
On Wednesday, 1 November 2017 at 18:42:07 UTC, Bo wrote: For a dying platform as so many advocate here, it seems to be doing fairly well. Maybe i am too old but the whole dying platform gig has been doing all the way to Windows ME and Vista and 8 and ... The reality is, for any user that

Re: [OT] Windows dying

2017-11-01 Thread jmh530 via Digitalmars-d
On Wednesday, 1 November 2017 at 18:59:21 UTC, Adam D. Ruppe wrote: Windows 32 bit is the special one - it is the ONLY platform where D works out of the box without additional downloads. That's one reason why I advocate it for just playing around - it just works. On ALL other platforms for

Re: [OT] Windows dying

2017-11-01 Thread Adam D. Ruppe via Digitalmars-d
On Wednesday, 1 November 2017 at 18:42:07 UTC, Bo wrote: There is a issue with Windows. The whole attacking the messenger, the whole idiotic argumentation's that Windows is dying, it is all pure useless trolling the people who ask a simple questions: How to solve the D 64bit issue so that like

Re: [OT] Windows dying

2017-11-01 Thread Bo via Digitalmars-d
For a dying platform as so many advocate here, it seems to be doing fairly well. Maybe i am too old but the whole dying platform gig has been doing all the way to Windows ME and Vista and 8 and ... The reality is, for any user that wants to be productive Windows is hard to beat. The only

Re: [OT] Windows dying

2017-11-01 Thread jmh530 via Digitalmars-d
On Wednesday, 1 November 2017 at 09:24:57 UTC, Joakim wrote: I don't propose ignoring it, but I suggest not to invest too much more into it, like all the work it would take to get VS or other Windows IDE support up to the level where Windows devs seem to want. I'm not sure how much work

Re: [OT] Windows dying

2017-11-01 Thread Kagamin via Digitalmars-d
On Wednesday, 1 November 2017 at 08:49:05 UTC, Joakim wrote: If your point is that the 1% of PC users who do such things will stick with PCs and the remaining 99% will switch to mobile, I agree with you. :) You leave only 0% for DeX :)

Re: [OT] Windows dying

2017-11-01 Thread Joakim via Digitalmars-d
On Wednesday, 1 November 2017 at 09:14:22 UTC, Shachar Shemesh wrote: On 29/10/17 23:21, Joakim wrote: On Sunday, 29 October 2017 at 20:58:45 UTC, 12345swordy wrote: On Sunday, 29 October 2017 at 18:52:06 UTC, Joakim wrote: [...] What makes you think that windows is a "dying platform"!?

Re: [OT] Windows dying

2017-11-01 Thread Shachar Shemesh via Digitalmars-d
On 29/10/17 23:21, Joakim wrote: On Sunday, 29 October 2017 at 20:58:45 UTC, 12345swordy wrote: On Sunday, 29 October 2017 at 18:52:06 UTC, Joakim wrote: [...] What makes you think that windows is a "dying platform"!? There is no evidence to suggest this. Take a look at the links in the

Re: [OT] Windows dying

2017-11-01 Thread Joakim via Digitalmars-d
On Wednesday, 1 November 2017 at 00:16:19 UTC, Mengu wrote: On Monday, 30 October 2017 at 13:32:23 UTC, Joakim wrote: I don't know how intense your data analysis is, but I replaced a Win7 ultrabook that had a dual-core i5 and 4 GBs of RAM with an Android tablet that has a quad-core ARMv7 and

Re: [OT] Windows dying

2017-10-31 Thread codephantom via Digitalmars-d
On Monday, 30 October 2017 at 13:32:23 UTC, Joakim wrote: I don't know how intense your data analysis is, but I replaced a Win7 ultrabook that had a dual-core i5 and 4 GBs of RAM with an Android tablet that has a quad-core ARMv7 and 3 GBs of RAM as my daily driver a couple years ago, without

Re: [OT] Windows dying

2017-10-31 Thread Tony via Digitalmars-d
On Monday, 30 October 2017 at 13:32:23 UTC, Joakim wrote: There will always be a few Windows cockroaches that survive the mobile nuclear blast, but we're talking about the majority who won't. Why do predictions about the future matter when at the present Windows dominates the desktop

Re: [OT] Windows dying

2017-10-31 Thread Mengu via Digitalmars-d
On Monday, 30 October 2017 at 13:32:23 UTC, Joakim wrote: I don't know how intense your data analysis is, but I replaced a Win7 ultrabook that had a dual-core i5 and 4 GBs of RAM with an Android tablet that has a quad-core ARMv7 and 3 GBs of RAM as my daily driver a couple years ago, without

Re: [OT] Windows dying

2017-10-30 Thread Paulo Pinto via Digitalmars-d
On Monday, 30 October 2017 at 16:50:42 UTC, Joakim wrote: [...] Do those Python/Numpy users have the level of VS or other Windows IDE support that D currently doesn't? Either way, math modeling is such a small niche that I'm not sure it makes a difference, though I'm glad Ilya and others are

Re: [OT] Windows dying

2017-10-30 Thread Joakim via Digitalmars-d
On Monday, 30 October 2017 at 17:35:51 UTC, jmh530 wrote: On Monday, 30 October 2017 at 16:50:42 UTC, Joakim wrote: [snip] No, it happens when they streamline and automate their entire workflow much more, to the point where they aren't using antiquated document systems anymore:

Re: [OT] Windows dying

2017-10-30 Thread jmh530 via Digitalmars-d
On Monday, 30 October 2017 at 16:50:42 UTC, Joakim wrote: [snip] No, it happens when they streamline and automate their entire workflow much more, to the point where they aren't using antiquated document systems anymore:

Re: [OT] Windows dying

2017-10-30 Thread Joakim via Digitalmars-d
On Monday, 30 October 2017 at 15:46:56 UTC, jmh530 wrote: On Monday, 30 October 2017 at 13:32:23 UTC, Joakim wrote: The decline itself doesn't imply a collapse, the collapse is coming because the mobile market is looking for new growth avenues and releasing mobile accessories like Samsung's

Re: [OT] Windows dying

2017-10-30 Thread jmh530 via Digitalmars-d
On Monday, 30 October 2017 at 13:32:23 UTC, Joakim wrote: The decline itself doesn't imply a collapse, the collapse is coming because the mobile market is looking for new growth avenues and releasing mobile accessories like Samsung's DeX dock or laptop replacements like the iPad Pro or this

Re: [OT] Windows dying

2017-10-30 Thread Joakim via Digitalmars-d
On Monday, 30 October 2017 at 12:30:12 UTC, jmh530 wrote: On Monday, 30 October 2017 at 08:21:56 UTC, Joakim wrote: That's funny, because you're the only one using that routine. I've linked to extensive data showing that Windows is already dying in the thread that I gave you, specifically my

Re: [OT] Windows dying

2017-10-30 Thread jmh530 via Digitalmars-d
On Monday, 30 October 2017 at 08:21:56 UTC, Joakim wrote: That's funny, because you're the only one using that routine. I've linked to extensive data showing that Windows is already dying in the thread that I gave you, specifically my first and last posts in that thread. You seem not to be

Re: [OT] Windows dying

2017-10-30 Thread Joakim via Digitalmars-d
On Monday, 30 October 2017 at 01:51:33 UTC, evilrat wrote: On Sunday, 29 October 2017 at 23:01:37 UTC, Joakim wrote: I'd argue you need to improve on understanding things. Specifically, just as WordStar once dominated the market and is now dead, the same is happening to Word and Windows

Re: [OT] Windows dying

2017-10-29 Thread 12345swordy via Digitalmars-d
On Sunday, 29 October 2017 at 23:01:37 UTC, Joakim wrote: It has not been fully replaced _yet_, but that is precisely what is about to happen. You got to try harder then the "because I say so" routine.

Re: [OT] Windows dying

2017-10-29 Thread evilrat via Digitalmars-d
On Sunday, 29 October 2017 at 23:01:37 UTC, Joakim wrote: I'd argue you need to improve on understanding things. Specifically, just as WordStar once dominated the market and is now dead, the same is happening to Word and Windows now. It has not been fully replaced _yet_, but that is

Re: [OT] Windows dying

2017-10-29 Thread Joakim via Digitalmars-d
On Sunday, 29 October 2017 at 22:48:56 UTC, 12345swordy wrote: On Sunday, 29 October 2017 at 22:36:04 UTC, Joakim wrote: On Sunday, 29 October 2017 at 22:29:01 UTC, 12345swordy wrote: On Sunday, 29 October 2017 at 22:22:23 UTC, Joakim wrote: I suggest you read up on some computing history,

Re: [OT] Windows dying

2017-10-29 Thread 12345swordy via Digitalmars-d
On Sunday, 29 October 2017 at 22:36:04 UTC, Joakim wrote: On Sunday, 29 October 2017 at 22:29:01 UTC, 12345swordy wrote: On Sunday, 29 October 2017 at 22:22:23 UTC, Joakim wrote: I suggest you read up on some computing history, start with WordStar: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/WordStar I

Re: [OT] Windows dying

2017-10-29 Thread Joakim via Digitalmars-d
On Sunday, 29 October 2017 at 22:29:01 UTC, 12345swordy wrote: On Sunday, 29 October 2017 at 22:22:23 UTC, Joakim wrote: I suggest you read up on some computing history, start with WordStar: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/WordStar I fail to see how Wordstar is relevant. Perhaps that's why

Re: [OT] Windows dying

2017-10-29 Thread 12345swordy via Digitalmars-d
On Sunday, 29 October 2017 at 22:22:23 UTC, Joakim wrote: I suggest you read up on some computing history, start with WordStar: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/WordStar I fail to see how Wordstar is relevant. Regardless people are not going to use mobile in the work place. You crusade

Re: [OT] Windows dying

2017-10-29 Thread Joakim via Digitalmars-d
On Sunday, 29 October 2017 at 21:59:36 UTC, 12345swordy wrote: On Sunday, 29 October 2017 at 21:36:50 UTC, Joakim wrote: pointed out there, mobiles are coming after the desktop and laptop markets, and will likely kill off Wintel in the coming years. No, they are not "coming after the

Re: [OT] Windows dying

2017-10-29 Thread 12345swordy via Digitalmars-d
On Sunday, 29 October 2017 at 21:36:50 UTC, Joakim wrote: pointed out there, mobiles are coming after the desktop and laptop markets, and will likely kill off Wintel in the coming years. No, they are not "coming after the desktop and markets", that's a ridiculous claim to make. You know

Re: [OT] Windows dying

2017-10-29 Thread Joakim via Digitalmars-d
On Sunday, 29 October 2017 at 21:30:06 UTC, 12345swordy wrote: On Sunday, 29 October 2017 at 21:21:58 UTC, Joakim wrote: On Sunday, 29 October 2017 at 20:58:45 UTC, 12345swordy wrote: On Sunday, 29 October 2017 at 18:52:06 UTC, Joakim wrote: [...] What makes you think that windows is a

Re: [OT] Windows dying

2017-10-29 Thread 12345swordy via Digitalmars-d
On Sunday, 29 October 2017 at 21:21:58 UTC, Joakim wrote: On Sunday, 29 October 2017 at 20:58:45 UTC, 12345swordy wrote: On Sunday, 29 October 2017 at 18:52:06 UTC, Joakim wrote: [...] What makes you think that windows is a "dying platform"!? There is no evidence to suggest this. Take a

[OT] Windows dying

2017-10-29 Thread Joakim via Digitalmars-d
On Sunday, 29 October 2017 at 20:58:45 UTC, 12345swordy wrote: On Sunday, 29 October 2017 at 18:52:06 UTC, Joakim wrote: [...] What makes you think that windows is a "dying platform"!? There is no evidence to suggest this. Take a look at the links in the thread I linked you, which show PC