Re: Beta D 2.069.0-b1

On 10/9/15 10:37 PM, Adam D. Ruppe wrote: On Saturday, 10 October 2015 at 02:31:51 UTC, Martin Nowak wrote: nothing to warrant the invasive language feature @property is. There's no reason for @property to be invasive. ALL it needs to do is handle that one case, it shouldn't even be used

Re: Beta D 2.069.0-b1

On 14.10.2015 15:26, Szymon Gatner wrote: To get compatible class layout, the D compiler has to omit it's class info entry in the vtable of C++ classes. In addition D doesn't know about C++ RTTI (I don't know if this is planned to add), so it cannot do the dynamic cast from Operation to

Re: Beta D 2.069.0-b1

On Tuesday, 13 October 2015 at 20:10:22 UTC, Rainer Schuetze wrote: On 13.10.2015 21:44, ZombineDev wrote: [...] The library issues are the same for 32-bit and 64-bit. [...] Yes, but there is some magic involved when linking against the VS2015 CRT. To use symbols like snprintf and

Re: Beta D 2.069.0-b1

On Tuesday, 13 October 2015 at 16:07:50 UTC, Kagamin wrote: What doesn't work for you? extern int f(); struct T(F){} T!f t; //Error: template instance T!(f) does not match template declaration T(F) struct A(alias F){} A!f a; //works I don't remember. I fixed the issues a few weeks ago using

Re: Beta D 2.069.0-b1

On Wednesday, 14 October 2015 at 11:46:27 UTC, ZombineDev wrote: 2) How can I workaround the problem that _minfo* and _deh* are not generated because my main is in C++? Just add a file with int main() in D library to fix this.

Re: Beta D 2.069.0-b1

On Wednesday, 14 October 2015 at 11:39:26 UTC, Szymon Gatner wrote: On Tuesday, 13 October 2015 at 20:10:22 UTC, Rainer Schuetze wrote: [...] I am trying (as with every new release ;)) to link static D library to existing C++ project and I am having same issue: Error 2 error LNK2019:

Re: Beta D 2.069.0-b1

On 14.10.2015 13:39, Szymon Gatner wrote: On Tuesday, 13 October 2015 at 20:10:22 UTC, Rainer Schuetze wrote: On 13.10.2015 21:44, ZombineDev wrote: [...] The library issues are the same for 32-bit and 64-bit. [...] Yes, but there is some magic involved when linking against the

Re: Beta D 2.069.0-b1

On 14.10.2015 13:46, ZombineDev wrote: On Tuesday, 13 October 2015 at 20:10:22 UTC, Rainer Schuetze wrote: Yes, but there is some magic involved when linking against the VS2015 CRT. To use symbols like snprintf and sscanf, you must also pass legacy_stdio_definitions.lib to the linker, which

Re: Beta D 2.069.0-b1

On Wednesday, 14 October 2015 at 12:05:28 UTC, Szymon Gatner wrote: On Wednesday, 14 October 2015 at 11:39:26 UTC, Szymon Gatner wrote: On Tuesday, 13 October 2015 at 20:10:22 UTC, Rainer Schuetze wrote: [...] I am trying (as with every new release ;)) to link static D library to existing

Re: Beta D 2.069.0-b1

On Wednesday, 14 October 2015 at 11:54:22 UTC, Szymon Gatner wrote: On Wednesday, 14 October 2015 at 11:46:27 UTC, ZombineDev wrote: 2) How can I workaround the problem that _minfo* and _deh* are not generated because my main is in C++? Just add a file with int main() in D library to fix

Re: Beta D 2.069.0-b1

On Wednesday, 14 October 2015 at 12:35:30 UTC, Rainer Schuetze wrote: I just noticed that the magic symbol translation _snprintf -> __snprintf isn't included without linking the internal function init_msvc (which is normally done by d_run_main which is called by the generated C main). The

Re: Beta D 2.069.0-b1

On Tuesday, 13 October 2015 at 13:18:36 UTC, Kagamin wrote: Well, in order to pass the result of a function call to a template parameter means that the function must be evaluated at compile time, which is not always possible, so it probably doesn't make sense to call a function when passed as

Re: Beta D 2.069.0-b1

On Sunday, 11 October 2015 at 09:54:04 UTC, Jacob Carlborg wrote: That would be me :) [1]. I think the biggest issue was that something that worked before stopped working, because a field was changed to a method and the method returned a function pointer. [1]

Re: Beta D 2.069.0-b1

On Tuesday, 13 October 2015 at 13:57:15 UTC, Meta wrote: On Tuesday, 13 October 2015 at 13:18:36 UTC, Kagamin wrote: Well, in order to pass the result of a function call to a template parameter means that the function must be evaluated at compile time, which is not always possible, so it

Re: Beta D 2.069.0-b1

On 13.10.2015 21:44, ZombineDev wrote: On Tuesday, 13 October 2015 at 19:17:27 UTC, ZombineDev wrote: On Tuesday, 13 October 2015 at 19:14:51 UTC, ZombineDev wrote: [...] Is the problem related to the new CRT in VS2015? Previously I thought that the problem is 64-bit only, but it seams like

Re: Beta D 2.069.0-b1

On Wednesday, 7 October 2015 at 22:33:09 UTC, Martin Nowak wrote: First beta for the 2.069.0 release. http://dlang.org/download.html#dmd_beta http://dlang.org/changelog/2.069.0.html Please report any bugs at https://issues.dlang.org -Martin I decided to try the newly included mscoff 32

Re: Beta D 2.069.0-b1

On Wednesday, 7 October 2015 at 22:33:09 UTC, Martin Nowak wrote: First beta for the 2.069.0 release. http://dlang.org/download.html#dmd_beta http://dlang.org/changelog/2.069.0.html Please report any bugs at https://issues.dlang.org -Martin brew reinstall dmd --devel :) thanks for all

Re: Beta D 2.069.0-b1

On 2015-10-11 11:45, Johannes Pfau wrote: We even have such a problem in object.d: https://github.com/D-Programming-Language/druntime/blob/master/src/object.d#L1461 I remember somebody asking in D.learn why his custom test runner did not work. Problem was related to wrong parenthesis: The

Re: Beta D 2.069.0-b1

On Wednesday, 7 October 2015 at 22:33:09 UTC, Martin Nowak wrote: First beta for the 2.069.0 release. http://dlang.org/download.html#dmd_beta http://dlang.org/changelog/2.069.0.html Please report any bugs at https://issues.dlang.org -Martin First beta, so far I can use it as a drop in

Re: Beta D 2.069.0-b1

Am Sun, 11 Oct 2015 01:54:39 + schrieb deadalnix : > On Saturday, 10 October 2015 at 02:57:03 UTC, Meta wrote: > > On Saturday, 10 October 2015 at 02:31:51 UTC, Martin Nowak > > wrote: > >> That's what I meant, weird use-case, at best it's a callback > >> better/setter.

Re: Beta D 2.069.0-b1

On Sunday, 11 October 2015 at 01:52:12 UTC, deadalnix wrote: On Saturday, 10 October 2015 at 16:31:27 UTC, Ola Fosheim Grøstad wrote: On Saturday, 10 October 2015 at 12:51:43 UTC, Jacob Carlborg wrote: In Ruby, no one will ever use empty parentheses for calling a method. That's actually the

Re: Beta D 2.069.0-b1

On Sunday, 11 October 2015 at 17:57:54 UTC, Meta wrote: Just a joke; I consider this a terrible aspect of D. :) I never know what is a joke or not in the forums these days. Anyway, a key difference is that a key inspiration for both BETA and also the actor model is modelling physical (or

Re: Beta D 2.069.0-b1

On Sunday, 11 October 2015 at 16:42:36 UTC, Meta wrote: On Sunday, 11 October 2015 at 16:00:40 UTC, Ola Fosheim Grøstad wrote: That also means that BETA does not distinguish between a function call and an assignment. Hey, neither does D! writeln("Hello, World!"); writeln = "Hello, World!";

Re: Beta D 2.069.0-b1

On Sunday, 11 October 2015 at 16:00:40 UTC, Ola Fosheim Grøstad wrote: That also means that BETA does not distinguish between a function call and an assignment. Hey, neither does D! writeln("Hello, World!"); writeln = "Hello, World!";

Re: Beta D 2.069.0-b1

On Sunday, 11 October 2015 at 17:27:39 UTC, Ola Fosheim Grøstad wrote: On Sunday, 11 October 2015 at 16:42:36 UTC, Meta wrote: On Sunday, 11 October 2015 at 16:00:40 UTC, Ola Fosheim Grøstad wrote: That also means that BETA does not distinguish between a function call and an assignment. Hey,

Re: Beta D 2.069.0-b1

On 10 October 2015 at 14:51, Jacob Carlborg via Digitalmars-d-announce < digitalmars-d-announce@puremagic.com> wrote: > On 2015-10-10 03:52, Martin Nowak wrote: > > Scala and Ruby seem to do well with sloppy parens. >> > > A few notes about why Ruby doesn't have the same problems as D has: > > 1.

Re: Beta D 2.069.0-b1

On Saturday, 10 October 2015 at 12:51:43 UTC, Jacob Carlborg wrote: In Ruby, no one will ever use empty parentheses for calling a method. That's actually the same as Simula. Functions/procedures with no parameters is called without parentheses.

Re: Beta D 2.069.0-b1

On Saturday, October 10, 2015 02:57:01 Meta via Digitalmars-d-announce wrote: > On Saturday, 10 October 2015 at 02:31:51 UTC, Martin Nowak wrote: > > That's what I meant, weird use-case, at best it's a callback > > better/setter. > > I've never written such code, but even if you would, the 2 > >

Re: Beta D 2.069.0-b1

On Saturday, 10 October 2015 at 02:57:03 UTC, Meta wrote: On Saturday, 10 October 2015 at 02:31:51 UTC, Martin Nowak wrote: That's what I meant, weird use-case, at best it's a callback better/setter. I've never written such code, but even if you would, the 2 pairs of parens are only a tiny

Re: Beta D 2.069.0-b1

On Saturday, 10 October 2015 at 16:31:27 UTC, Ola Fosheim Grøstad wrote: On Saturday, 10 October 2015 at 12:51:43 UTC, Jacob Carlborg wrote: In Ruby, no one will ever use empty parentheses for calling a method. That's actually the same as Simula. Functions/procedures with no parameters is

Re: Beta D 2.069.0-b1

On Saturday, 10 October 2015 at 01:52:36 UTC, Martin Nowak wrote: Right, ideally a @proptery function can perfectly replace a variable, but practically calling the return value seems far fetched. What would you use that for, a handwritten interface struct with function pointers made read-only

Re: Beta D 2.069.0-b1

On 2015-10-10 03:52, Martin Nowak wrote: Scala and Ruby seem to do well with sloppy parens. A few notes about why Ruby doesn't have the same problems as D has: 1. Ruby has optional parentheses for all method calls, regardless if they accept arguments or not 2. Ruby has a different syntax

Re: Beta D 2.069.0-b1

On Thursday, 8 October 2015 at 12:32:59 UTC, John Colvin wrote: On Wednesday, 7 October 2015 at 22:33:09 UTC, Martin Nowak wrote: First beta for the 2.069.0 release. http://dlang.org/download.html#dmd_beta http://dlang.org/changelog/2.069.0.html Please report any bugs at

Re: Beta D 2.069.0-b1

On Thursday, 8 October 2015 at 15:04:08 UTC, David Nadlinger wrote: On Thursday, 8 October 2015 at 15:01:31 UTC, Martin Nowak wrote: On Thursday, 8 October 2015 at 12:20:23 UTC, Andrea Fontana wrote: Are dmd 2.069b1 binaries compiled with dmd 2.069b1 or with dmd 2.068.2? The last released

Re: Beta D 2.069.0-b1

On Wednesday, 7 October 2015 at 22:33:09 UTC, Martin Nowak wrote: First beta for the 2.069.0 release. http://dlang.org/download.html#dmd_beta http://dlang.org/changelog/2.069.0.html Please report any bugs at https://issues.dlang.org -Martin I just noticed that you added the beta to the

Re: Beta D 2.069.0-b1

On Saturday, 10 October 2015 at 01:27:09 UTC, Jonathan M Davis wrote: Regardless, what we pretty much need to do with @property at some point is make is that it's used to make it so that a single pair of parens operate on the return value rather than the function even if we don't do anything

Re: Beta D 2.069.0-b1

On Saturday, 10 October 2015 at 01:52:36 UTC, Martin Nowak wrote: What would you use that for, a handwritten interface struct with function pointers made read-only using @property? var a = var.emptyObject; // works today a.prop = { do_stuff; }; // works today a.prop(); // useless no op

Re: Beta D 2.069.0-b1

On Saturday, 10 October 2015 at 02:31:51 UTC, Martin Nowak wrote: nothing to warrant the invasive language feature @property is. There's no reason for @property to be invasive. ALL it needs to do is handle that one case, it shouldn't even be used anywhere else. Everything else is trivial or

Re: Beta D 2.069.0-b1

On Thursday, October 08, 2015 15:00:15 Martin Nowak via Digitalmars-d-announce wrote: > On Thursday, 8 October 2015 at 12:48:48 UTC, Adam D. Ruppe wrote: > > On Thursday, 8 October 2015 at 04:14:59 UTC, extrawurst wrote: > >> Does that mean @property has no effect anymore ? > > > > @property

Re: Beta D 2.069.0-b1

On Saturday, 10 October 2015 at 02:15:14 UTC, Adam D. Ruppe wrote: On Saturday, 10 October 2015 at 01:52:36 UTC, Martin Nowak wrote: What would you use that for, a handwritten interface struct with function pointers made read-only using @property? var a = var.emptyObject; // works today

Re: Beta D 2.069.0-b1

On Saturday, 10 October 2015 at 02:31:51 UTC, Martin Nowak wrote: That's what I meant, weird use-case, at best it's a callback better/setter. I've never written such code, but even if you would, the 2 pairs of parens are only a tiny problem for generic code, nothing to warrant the invasive

Re: Beta D 2.069.0-b1

On Saturday, 10 October 2015 at 01:52:36 UTC, Martin Nowak wrote: To me the whole property discussion looks like one of those endless debates about an insignificant detail. Scala and Ruby seem to do well with sloppy parens. Strict typing and explicitness has a real effect on code legibility

Re: Beta D 2.069.0-b1

On Friday, 9 October 2015 at 09:32:05 UTC, Joakim wrote: downloads much? Maybe you should add a warning there, for those who may not know the meaning of a beta. If you're a coder you know what it means. If you just started with programming probably it doesn't make any difference :)

Re: Beta D 2.069.0-b1

On Thursday, 8 October 2015 at 07:25:36 UTC, Andrea Fontana wrote: On Thursday, 8 October 2015 at 04:14:59 UTC, extrawurst wrote: On Wednesday, 7 October 2015 at 22:33:09 UTC, Martin Nowak wrote: [...] `The -property switch has been deprecated.` Does that mean @property has no effect

Re: Beta D 2.069.0-b1

On Thursday, 8 October 2015 at 09:17:16 UTC, Martin Nowak wrote: On Thursday, 8 October 2015 at 04:53:53 UTC, Suliman wrote: Is it DDMD based release? Yes. Is there any info on the benchmarking between DDMD and DMD? bye, lobo PS: Big thanks for the much improved release process that you

Re: Beta D 2.069.0-b1

On Wednesday, 7 October 2015 at 22:33:09 UTC, Martin Nowak wrote: First beta for the 2.069.0 release. http://dlang.org/download.html#dmd_beta http://dlang.org/changelog/2.069.0.html Please report any bugs at https://issues.dlang.org -Martin Got an issue:

Re: Beta D 2.069.0-b1

On Thursday, 8 October 2015 at 04:53:53 UTC, Suliman wrote: Is it DDMD based release? Yes.

Re: Beta D 2.069.0-b1

On Thursday, 8 October 2015 at 04:14:59 UTC, extrawurst wrote: On Wednesday, 7 October 2015 at 22:33:09 UTC, Martin Nowak wrote: First beta for the 2.069.0 release. http://dlang.org/download.html#dmd_beta http://dlang.org/changelog/2.069.0.html Please report any bugs at

Re: Beta D 2.069.0-b1

On Wednesday, 7 October 2015 at 22:33:09 UTC, Martin Nowak wrote: First beta for the 2.069.0 release. http://dlang.org/download.html#dmd_beta http://dlang.org/changelog/2.069.0.html Please report any bugs at https://issues.dlang.org -Martin The "libcurl is now loaded dynamically" link is

Re: Beta D 2.069.0-b1

On Wednesday, 7 October 2015 at 22:33:09 UTC, Martin Nowak wrote: First beta for the 2.069.0 release. http://dlang.org/download.html#dmd_beta http://dlang.org/changelog/2.069.0.html Please report any bugs at https://issues.dlang.org -Martin Thanks! Please add the PR about allocators for

Re: Beta D 2.069.0-b1

On Thursday, 8 October 2015 at 09:17:16 UTC, Martin Nowak wrote: On Thursday, 8 October 2015 at 04:53:53 UTC, Suliman wrote: Is it DDMD based release? Yes. Are dmd 2.069b1 binaries compiled with dmd 2.069b1 or with dmd 2.068.2?

Re: Beta D 2.069.0-b1

On 10/08/2015 11:36 AM, lobo wrote: > > Is there any info on the benchmarking between DDMD and DMD? Still on the todo list to decide whether we need to use gdc to build ddmd. https://trello.com/c/OT6jlFNa/85-rebench-ddmd-vs-dmd-compiler-speed

Re: Beta D 2.069.0-b1

On Thursday, 8 October 2015 at 09:36:31 UTC, lobo wrote: PS: Big thanks for the much improved release process that you guys are maintaining. I agree. Thank you, Martin.

Re: Beta D 2.069.0-b1

On Thursday, 8 October 2015 at 04:14:59 UTC, extrawurst wrote: Does that mean @property has no effect anymore ? @property never actually worked anyway. It is still my hope that it will be correctly implemented some day though - the hard problem it was meant to solve is still there (returning

Re: Beta D 2.069.0-b1

On Wednesday, 7 October 2015 at 22:33:09 UTC, Martin Nowak wrote: First beta for the 2.069.0 release. http://dlang.org/download.html#dmd_beta http://dlang.org/changelog/2.069.0.html Please report any bugs at https://issues.dlang.org -Martin I think it should be mentioned in the change log

Re: Beta D 2.069.0-b1

On Thursday, 8 October 2015 at 12:20:23 UTC, Andrea Fontana wrote: Are dmd 2.069b1 binaries compiled with dmd 2.069b1 or with dmd 2.068.2? The last released compiler, we don't have any bootstrap method (using a small C++ compiler or so).

Re: Beta D 2.069.0-b1

On Thursday, 8 October 2015 at 14:59:15 UTC, Jack Stouffer wrote: I think it should be mentioned in the change log the substantial improvements that were made to the docs since last release. After over 30 PRs were merged for improving the docs, they are WAY better than the 2.068 docs. Sure,

Re: Beta D 2.069.0-b1

On Thursday, 8 October 2015 at 15:01:31 UTC, Martin Nowak wrote: On Thursday, 8 October 2015 at 12:20:23 UTC, Andrea Fontana wrote: Are dmd 2.069b1 binaries compiled with dmd 2.069b1 or with dmd 2.068.2? The last released compiler, we don't have any bootstrap method (using a small C++

Re: Beta D 2.069.0-b1

On Thursday 08 October 2015 06:14, extrawurst wrote: > `The -property switch has been deprecated.` Does that mean > @property has no effect anymore ? Yes. I've made a pull request to mention that (and put a note on the spec page). https://github.com/D-Programming-Language/dlang.org/pull/1119

Re: Beta D 2.069.0-b1

On Thursday, 8 October 2015 at 12:48:48 UTC, Adam D. Ruppe wrote: On Thursday, 8 October 2015 at 04:14:59 UTC, extrawurst wrote: Does that mean @property has no effect anymore ? @property never actually worked anyway. It is still my hope that it will be correctly implemented some day though

Re: Beta D 2.069.0-b1

On Thursday 08 October 2015 16:34, anonymous wrote: > On Thursday 08 October 2015 06:14, extrawurst wrote: > >> `The -property switch has been deprecated.` Does that mean >> @property has no effect anymore ? > > Yes. Correction: @property has at least one effect without -property. typeof acts

Re: Beta D 2.069.0-b1

On Wednesday, 7 October 2015 at 22:33:09 UTC, Martin Nowak wrote: First beta for the 2.069.0 release. Weren't there codegen improvements in DMD?

Re: Beta D 2.069.0-b1

On Thursday, 8 October 2015 at 04:14:59 UTC, extrawurst wrote: On Wednesday, 7 October 2015 at 22:33:09 UTC, Martin Nowak wrote: First beta for the 2.069.0 release. http://dlang.org/download.html#dmd_beta http://dlang.org/changelog/2.069.0.html Please report any bugs at

Re: Beta D 2.069.0-b1

On 10/07/2015 06:33 PM, Martin Nowak wrote: First beta for the 2.069.0 release. http://dlang.org/download.html#dmd_beta http://dlang.org/changelog/2.069.0.html Please report any bugs at https://issues.dlang.org -Martin Can we please get this one in?:

Re: Beta D 2.069.0-b1

On Thursday, 8 October 2015 at 20:59:57 UTC, NVolcz wrote: The changelog links to: http://dlang.org/phobos/std_experimental_allocator.html which returns 404 for me. I remember seeing discussions about versioning the docs. What happened to that? Fixed by now.

Re: Beta D 2.069.0-b1

On 10/8/15 4:59 PM, NVolcz wrote: On Wednesday, 7 October 2015 at 22:33:09 UTC, Martin Nowak wrote: First beta for the 2.069.0 release. http://dlang.org/download.html#dmd_beta http://dlang.org/changelog/2.069.0.html Please report any bugs at https://issues.dlang.org -Martin The changelog

Re: Beta D 2.069.0-b1

On Thursday, 8 October 2015 at 16:12:52 UTC, ponce wrote: On Wednesday, 7 October 2015 at 22:33:09 UTC, Martin Nowak wrote: First beta for the 2.069.0 release. Weren't there codegen improvements in DMD? https://github.com/D-Programming-Language/dlang.org/pull/1121

Re: Beta D 2.069.0-b1

On Wednesday, 7 October 2015 at 22:33:09 UTC, Martin Nowak wrote: First beta for the 2.069.0 release. http://dlang.org/download.html#dmd_beta http://dlang.org/changelog/2.069.0.html Please report any bugs at https://issues.dlang.org -Martin The changelog links to:

Beta D 2.069.0-b1

First beta for the 2.069.0 release. http://dlang.org/download.html#dmd_beta http://dlang.org/changelog/2.069.0.html Please report any bugs at https://issues.dlang.org -Martin

Re: Beta D 2.069.0-b1

On Wednesday, 7 October 2015 at 22:33:09 UTC, Martin Nowak wrote: First beta for the 2.069.0 release. http://dlang.org/download.html#dmd_beta http://dlang.org/changelog/2.069.0.html Please report any bugs at https://issues.dlang.org -Martin Is it DDMD based release?

Re: Beta D 2.069.0-b1

08.10.2015 01:33, Martin Nowak пишет: First beta for the 2.069.0 release. http://dlang.org/download.html#dmd_beta http://dlang.org/changelog/2.069.0.html Please report any bugs at https://issues.dlang.org -Martin Cool! References to `cmp`, `std.experimental.allocator` reference to current

Re: Beta D 2.069.0-b1

On Wednesday, 7 October 2015 at 22:33:09 UTC, Martin Nowak wrote: First beta for the 2.069.0 release. http://dlang.org/download.html#dmd_beta http://dlang.org/changelog/2.069.0.html Please report any bugs at https://issues.dlang.org -Martin `The -property switch has been deprecated.` Does