Re: [OT] mobile rising

2017-11-16 Thread Joakim via Digitalmars-d
On Thursday, 16 November 2017 at 23:03:41 UTC, solidstate1991 wrote: On Wednesday, 15 November 2017 at 11:46:48 UTC, Joakim wrote: [...] I'm thinking on picking up some Android tablet for development purposes, would be good to port my game engine for mobile devices, probably have to resort

Re: [OT] mobile rising

2017-11-16 Thread solidstate1991 via Digitalmars-d
On Wednesday, 15 November 2017 at 11:46:48 UTC, Joakim wrote: I just saw this post about the upcoming Lenovo/AT Moto Tab and thought of you: https://www.phonearena.com/news/Lenovo-Moto-Tab-ATT-features_id99782 For $300, you can buy a tablet that lets you do everything you normally do on a

Re: [OT] mobile rising

2017-11-15 Thread Joakim via Digitalmars-d
On Wednesday, 15 November 2017 at 03:15:04 UTC, solidstate1991 wrote: After all this flaming about Windows, mobile devices (I personally prefer my desktop PC thanks to its "power", or at least what it used to left, thanks to long unemployment time and lack of income, have a Nokia Lumia which I

Re: [OT] mobile rising

2017-11-14 Thread Walter Bright via Digitalmars-d
On 11/14/2017 7:15 PM, solidstate1991 wrote: Walter Bright: What's the licensing state of DMC and OPTLINK? Boost Can it made open-source? Yes. If yes, we should patch in a COFF32/64 support, maybe even port it to D for easier development. I can spend some of my time working on the DLL

Re: [OT] mobile rising

2017-11-14 Thread rikki cattermole via Digitalmars-d
On 15/11/2017 3:15 AM, solidstate1991 wrote: After all this flaming about Windows, mobile devices (I personally prefer my desktop PC thanks to its "power", or at least what it used to left, thanks to long unemployment time and lack of income, have a Nokia Lumia which I cannot upgrade to W10

Re: [OT] mobile rising

2017-11-14 Thread solidstate1991 via Digitalmars-d
After all this flaming about Windows, mobile devices (I personally prefer my desktop PC thanks to its "power", or at least what it used to left, thanks to long unemployment time and lack of income, have a Nokia Lumia which I cannot upgrade to W10 due to BS reasons, and I think open-source

Re: [OT] mobile rising

2017-11-13 Thread codephantom via Digitalmars-d
On Monday, 13 November 2017 at 20:22:21 UTC, Dave Jones wrote: Hmmm, i get home to find eight messages from codebaby, he sees sockpuppets everywhere, snapping at every bit of bait I laid... says he'll ignore my whole comment and then replys to it another two times, LOL, a full on meltdown

Re: [OT] mobile rising

2017-11-13 Thread Dave Jones via Digitalmars-d
On Monday, 13 November 2017 at 11:55:59 UTC, codephantom wrote: On Sunday, 12 November 2017 at 16:02:14 UTC, Dave Jones wrote: Jesus Christ you big pair of fecking babys. Nobody argued it wouldn't be better to have 64 bit out of the box. They argued you were making a big deal out of something

Re: [OT] mobile rising

2017-11-13 Thread codephantom via Digitalmars-d
On Monday, 13 November 2017 at 13:39:07 UTC, codephantom wrote: On Monday, 13 November 2017 at 13:34:00 UTC, realdonaldtrump wrote: Lol now I know ur full of it cause real football is only found in America. With their cute little helmets. I love it. We don't need no helmets over here.

Re: [OT] mobile rising

2017-11-13 Thread codephantom via Digitalmars-d
On Monday, 13 November 2017 at 13:34:00 UTC, realdonaldtrump wrote: Lol now I know ur full of it cause real football is only found in America. With their cute little helmets. I love it. We don't need no helmets over here.

Re: [OT] mobile rising

2017-11-13 Thread codephantom via Digitalmars-d
On Monday, 13 November 2017 at 13:34:00 UTC, realdonaldtrump wrote: On Monday, 13 November 2017 at 11:50:20 UTC, codephantom wrote: On Sunday, 12 November 2017 at 16:02:14 UTC, Dave Jones wrote: I wish I was young again. I used to love arguing about pointless crap, i couldn't resit it, mac vs

Re: [OT] mobile rising

2017-11-13 Thread realdonaldtrump via Digitalmars-d
On Monday, 13 November 2017 at 11:50:20 UTC, codephantom wrote: On Sunday, 12 November 2017 at 16:02:14 UTC, Dave Jones wrote: I wish I was young again. I used to love arguing about pointless crap, i couldn't resit it, mac vs pc, risc vs cisc, sony vs nintendo, utd vs liverpool utd and

Re: [OT] mobile rising

2017-11-13 Thread codephantom via Digitalmars-d
On Sunday, 12 November 2017 at 16:02:14 UTC, Dave Jones wrote: Jesus Christ you big pair of fecking babys. Nobody argued it wouldn't be better to have 64 bit out of the box. They argued you were making a big deal out of something that just works for most everyone else. And yes you hate

Re: [OT] mobile rising

2017-11-13 Thread codephantom via Digitalmars-d
On Sunday, 12 November 2017 at 16:02:14 UTC, Dave Jones wrote: I wish I was young again. I used to love arguing about pointless crap, i couldn't resit it, mac vs pc, risc vs cisc, sony vs nintendo, utd vs liverpool utd and liverpool? just bunch of little kiddies kicking around a ball.

Re: [OT] mobile rising

2017-11-13 Thread Ola Fosheim Grøstad via Digitalmars-d
On Monday, 13 November 2017 at 11:46:42 UTC, Joakim wrote: Considering you kept ignoring my evidence of Android and jumping to Apple, I'd say that it was perfectly accurate. Oh well, I'm focusing on what I am interested in… Anyway, it is rather obvious that subjective ad-hominem statements in

Re: [OT] mobile rising

2017-11-13 Thread Joakim via Digitalmars-d
On Monday, 13 November 2017 at 11:33:08 UTC, Ola Fosheim Grøstad wrote: On Monday, 13 November 2017 at 10:26:57 UTC, Joakim wrote: I accurately characterized the tenor of their problem Uhm… «accurately» ?? LOL!! 8'D Considering you kept ignoring my evidence of Android and jumping to Apple,

Re: [OT] mobile rising

2017-11-13 Thread codephantom via Digitalmars-d
On Sunday, 12 November 2017 at 16:02:14 UTC, Dave Jones wrote: I'm old and don't give a shit . Perhaps it's all that *snorting*...that stuff will do that to you. Go see your local doctor, cause I believe there's something you can take..to get it all flowing again...

Re: [OT] mobile rising

2017-11-13 Thread Ola Fosheim Grøstad via Digitalmars-d
On Monday, 13 November 2017 at 10:26:57 UTC, Joakim wrote: I accurately characterized the tenor of their problem Uhm… «accurately» ?? LOL!! 8'D generalize and point that out, ie he _was_ confused in the points he was making. I am never confused, but this is dlang.org, I've seen worse…

Re: [OT] mobile rising

2017-11-13 Thread codephantom via Digitalmars-d
On Monday, 13 November 2017 at 10:26:57 UTC, Joakim wrote: I'm not sure why you're picking out my comments from arguments I had with Ola and Tony days ago at the end of all this, but we had OT conversations about OS market share where I felt they were repeatedly making the same mistake.

Re: [OT] mobile rising

2017-11-13 Thread codephantom via Digitalmars-d
On Sunday, 12 November 2017 at 16:02:14 UTC, Dave Jones wrote: Jesus Christ you big pair of fecking babys. Nobody argued it wouldn't be better to have 64 bit out of the box. They argued you were making a big deal out of something that just works for most everyone else. And yes you hate

Re: [OT] mobile rising

2017-11-13 Thread codephantom via Digitalmars-d
On Sunday, 12 November 2017 at 16:02:14 UTC, Dave Jones wrote: Jesus Christ you big pair of fecking babys. Nobody argued it wouldn't be better to have 64 bit out of the box. They argued you were making a big deal out of something that just works for most everyone else. And yes you hate

Re: [OT] mobile rising

2017-11-13 Thread codephantom via Digitalmars-d
On Monday, 13 November 2017 at 09:56:05 UTC, Dave Jones wrote: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1185516 *snort* scientific yeah.. he called you names, so you called him names, so he called you names.. every child in the playground knows that game. A bit less *snorting* and perhaps you'd

Re: [OT] mobile rising

2017-11-13 Thread codephantom via Digitalmars-d
On Monday, 13 November 2017 at 09:56:05 UTC, Dave Jones wrote: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1185516 *snort* scientific yeah.. he called you names, so you called him names, so he called you names.. every child in the playground knows that game. a bit less *snorting* and maybe you'd

Re: [OT] mobile rising

2017-11-13 Thread codephantom via Digitalmars-d
On Monday, 13 November 2017 at 09:51:33 UTC, Dave Jones wrote: That's it little fella let it all out... *passes codebaby a tissue* really? you think that was a useful contribution? who are you anyway? One of Jerry's 'other' accounts perhaps?

Re: [OT] mobile rising

2017-11-13 Thread Joakim via Digitalmars-d
On Monday, 13 November 2017 at 03:48:43 UTC, Walter Bright wrote: On 11/8/2017 1:36 PM, Joakim wrote: You don't want to own up to the fact that Please refrain from berating others here. On Monday, 13 November 2017 at 03:54:07 UTC, Walter Bright wrote: On 11/10/2017 3:28 AM, Joakim wrote:

Re: [OT] mobile rising

2017-11-13 Thread Dave Jones via Digitalmars-d
On Monday, 13 November 2017 at 01:14:32 UTC, codephantom wrote: On Monday, 13 November 2017 at 00:47:46 UTC, codephantom wrote: On Monday, 13 November 2017 at 00:41:32 UTC, Jerry wrote: harassing people isn't defending your argument. Yeah...it's not nice...being harassed..is it. You have to

Re: [OT] mobile rising

2017-11-13 Thread Dave Jones via Digitalmars-d
On Monday, 13 November 2017 at 00:47:46 UTC, codephantom wrote: On Monday, 13 November 2017 at 00:41:32 UTC, Jerry wrote: harassing people isn't defending your argument. Yeah...it's not nice...being harassed..is it. You have to be harassed to know what if feels like. That was my objective.

Re: [OT] mobile rising

2017-11-12 Thread Walter Bright via Digitalmars-d
On 11/10/2017 3:28 AM, Joakim wrote: Your logic is extremely confused. [...] You seem to be confused Please stop berating others here.

Re: [OT] mobile rising

2017-11-12 Thread Walter Bright via Digitalmars-d
On 11/8/2017 1:36 PM, Joakim wrote: You don't want to own up to the fact that Please refrain from berating others here.

Re: [OT] mobile rising

2017-11-12 Thread codephantom via Digitalmars-d
On Monday, 13 November 2017 at 00:47:46 UTC, codephantom wrote: On Monday, 13 November 2017 at 00:41:32 UTC, Jerry wrote: harassing people isn't defending your argument. Yeah...it's not nice...being harassed..is it. You have to be harassed to know what if feels like. That was my objective.

Re: [OT] mobile rising

2017-11-12 Thread codephantom via Digitalmars-d
On Monday, 13 November 2017 at 00:41:32 UTC, Jerry wrote: You weren't attacked and you aren't a victim ... Another quote to add..thanks. Keep em' coming... I could make money of this...

Re: [OT] mobile rising

2017-11-12 Thread codephantom via Digitalmars-d
On Monday, 13 November 2017 at 00:41:32 UTC, Jerry wrote: harassing people isn't defending your argument. Yeah...it's not nice...being harassed..is it. You have to be harassed to know what if feels like. That was my objective. Not to harass you, but to let you know how I felt when you

Re: [OT] mobile rising

2017-11-12 Thread Jerry via Digitalmars-d
On Monday, 13 November 2017 at 00:22:46 UTC, codephantom wrote: It's so like people these days, and even on these forums, to attack the ones sticking up for themselves, rather than stopping them from being attacked in the first place, just for having a different opinion - or god

Re: [OT] mobile rising

2017-11-12 Thread Jerry via Digitalmars-d
On Monday, 13 November 2017 at 00:40:29 UTC, codephantom wrote: On Monday, 13 November 2017 at 00:36:17 UTC, Jerry wrote: It's easy to take a single sentence out of context maybe i should just keep everything as one long protruding sentence so that you are forced to quote everything so that

Re: [OT] mobile rising

2017-11-12 Thread codephantom via Digitalmars-d
On Monday, 13 November 2017 at 00:36:17 UTC, Jerry wrote: It's easy to take a single sentence out of context maybe i should just keep everything as one long protruding sentence so that you are forced to quote everything so that you you won't misinterpret what it means by what I don't know

Re: [OT] mobile rising

2017-11-12 Thread Jerry via Digitalmars-d
On Sunday, 12 November 2017 at 00:24:31 UTC, codephantom wrote: On Saturday, 11 November 2017 at 20:35:40 UTC, Jerry wrote: Taking away the start button wasn't that big of a deal. Thanks...another qoute to add to: 'The famous quotes of Jerry the MSFT fanboy'. It's easy to take a single

Re: [OT] mobile rising

2017-11-12 Thread codephantom via Digitalmars-d
On Sunday, 12 November 2017 at 22:39:36 UTC, Walter Bright wrote: On 11/10/2017 2:54 PM, codephantom wrote: MSFT fanboy...at it again... Knock it off, everyone. Oh gee..Sorry daddy. ...maybe you have jumped in a few 100 threads ago, and addressed your response to the actual perpertrator

Re: [OT] mobile rising

2017-11-12 Thread Walter Bright via Digitalmars-d
On 11/10/2017 2:54 PM, codephantom wrote: MSFT fanboy...at it again... Knock it off, everyone.

Re: [OT] mobile rising

2017-11-12 Thread Ola Fosheim Grøstad via Digitalmars-d
On Sunday, 12 November 2017 at 10:18:09 UTC, Tony wrote: But those humans at the top, working for public companies, are monitored by a board and stockholders who place "making money" as the main, and normally only, measure of their job performance. Sure, when you get a leader that is weak on

Re: [OT] mobile rising

2017-11-12 Thread Dave Jones via Digitalmars-d
On Sunday, 12 November 2017 at 02:07:03 UTC, codephantom wrote: On Saturday, 11 November 2017 at 20:35:40 UTC, Jerry wrote: When I joined the forum a little while back, I dared to suggest that D should be able to compile a 64bit binary on Windows, without having to relying on gigabytes of

Re: [OT] mobile rising

2017-11-12 Thread Tony via Digitalmars-d
On Friday, 10 November 2017 at 14:28:10 UTC, Ola Fosheim Grøstad wrote: On Friday, 10 November 2017 at 12:55:24 UTC, Tony wrote: Very few companies are not "all about making money". That is why Americans were laid off by the millions and replaced by workers in countries with much cheaper labor

Re: [OT] mobile rising

2017-11-11 Thread codephantom via Digitalmars-d
On Saturday, 11 November 2017 at 20:35:40 UTC, Jerry wrote: ..if people had their way we would still be in the stone age cause they were more comfortable with using stones than having to learn to use something new. I'll add that one as well, to Jerry's famous quotes.

Re: [OT] mobile rising

2017-11-11 Thread codephantom via Digitalmars-d
On Saturday, 11 November 2017 at 20:35:40 UTC, Jerry wrote: Whether to use Visual Studio or not isn't a "design decision". It's not relatable in the slightest bit. It's a tool that generates a binary file. ... a multi-GB tool ...just to generate a binary... Thank. Another qoute to add to:

Re: [OT] mobile rising

2017-11-11 Thread codephantom via Digitalmars-d
On Saturday, 11 November 2017 at 20:35:40 UTC, Jerry wrote: When I joined the forum a little while back, I dared to suggest that D should be able to compile a 64bit binary on Windows, without having to relying on gigabytes of proprietaty, closed source, bloat from MSFT. I stand by that

Re: [OT] mobile rising

2017-11-11 Thread codephantom via Digitalmars-d
On Saturday, 11 November 2017 at 20:35:40 UTC, Jerry wrote: Taking away the start button wasn't that big of a deal. Thanks...another qoute to add to: 'The famous quotes of Jerry the MSFT fanboy'.

Re: [OT] mobile rising

2017-11-11 Thread Jerry via Digitalmars-d
On Friday, 10 November 2017 at 22:54:40 UTC, codephantom wrote: On Friday, 10 November 2017 at 22:16:55 UTC, Jerry wrote: On Friday, 10 November 2017 at 01:19:06 UTC, codephantom wrote: On Friday, 10 November 2017 at 01:15:26 UTC, Jerry wrote: Not much of a technie nerd if it "just finished"

Re: [OT] mobile rising

2017-11-10 Thread codephantom via Digitalmars-d
On Friday, 10 November 2017 at 22:16:55 UTC, Jerry wrote: Indeed, you could contact Microsoft for support and know you are talking to professional and not some rabid fanatic that will split hairs over the differences between linux and freebsd. Well.. if MSFT stop making stupid design

Re: [OT] mobile rising

2017-11-10 Thread codephantom via Digitalmars-d
On Friday, 10 November 2017 at 22:16:55 UTC, Jerry wrote: On Friday, 10 November 2017 at 01:19:06 UTC, codephantom wrote: On Friday, 10 November 2017 at 01:15:26 UTC, Jerry wrote: Not much of a technie nerd if it "just finished" and you've already exhausted your knowledge and have given up :).

Re: [OT] mobile rising

2017-11-10 Thread Jerry via Digitalmars-d
On Friday, 10 November 2017 at 01:19:06 UTC, codephantom wrote: On Friday, 10 November 2017 at 01:15:26 UTC, Jerry wrote: Not much of a technie nerd if it "just finished" and you've already exhausted your knowledge and have given up :). Just sayin'. Well, everytime I wanted to find

Re: [OT] mobile rising

2017-11-10 Thread Joakim via Digitalmars-d
On Friday, 10 November 2017 at 12:55:24 UTC, Tony wrote: On Friday, 10 November 2017 at 11:28:41 UTC, Joakim wrote: Your logic is extremely confused. Let me spell it out for you: the Mac is all but dead, particularly when compared to the mobile computing tidal wave, since they sell 10 iPhones

Re: [OT] mobile rising

2017-11-10 Thread Ola Fosheim Grøstad via Digitalmars-d
Oh wait, I forgot. The have a new 8-core model that is expected to sell for $5000… Right… So that would bring the 18-core model at… $15000? At what pricing-point is it reasonable to call Apple customers for suckers? :-)

Re: [OT] mobile rising

2017-11-10 Thread Ola Fosheim Grøstad via Digitalmars-d
On Friday, 10 November 2017 at 12:55:24 UTC, Tony wrote: Very few companies are not "all about making money". That is why Americans were laid off by the millions and replaced by workers in countries with much cheaper labor rates. Bad for the workers, good for "making money". Apple isn't unique

Re: [OT] mobile rising

2017-11-10 Thread Tony via Digitalmars-d
On Friday, 10 November 2017 at 11:28:41 UTC, Joakim wrote: It would either be you and Jobs, or just you, letting them rebel. I would keep the line. That's funny, as I was responding to your statement above, "So, let them rebel." :D "Let them rebel" was with regard to your point of view. As

Re: [OT] mobile rising

2017-11-10 Thread Tony via Digitalmars-d
On Friday, 10 November 2017 at 11:10:30 UTC, Tony wrote: I don't see any relationship between that iOS picture in the Wiki article and Metro. The idea is RESIZABLE, LIVE tiles. Not effects to make them look 3D or not. "live tile" meaning the underlying app can dynamically put readable

Re: [OT] mobile rising

2017-11-10 Thread Joakim via Digitalmars-d
On Friday, 10 November 2017 at 10:42:37 UTC, Tony wrote: On Wednesday, 8 November 2017 at 09:34:39 UTC, Joakim wrote: Why did they fund development of a new iMac Pro which is coming this December as well as the new MacBook Pros that came out this June? That's a contradiction of "milk it like

Re: [OT] mobile rising

2017-11-10 Thread Tony via Digitalmars-d
On Wednesday, 8 November 2017 at 09:34:39 UTC, Joakim wrote: I see, so your claim is that MS, Nokia, HP, Sony, all much larger companies than Apple or Google at the time, could not have countered them even on a lucky day. I wonder why this is, as they certainly had more money, you don't

Re: [OT] mobile rising

2017-11-10 Thread rikki cattermole via Digitalmars-d
On 10/11/2017 10:42 AM, Tony wrote: If people ever get so cost-conscious that they decide to buy a $150 companion for their phone, instead of a $400 laptop, it's unlikely they will be using iPhones. You can get a nice Android phone with plenty of RAM/ROM for half the price of an  iPhone. You

Re: [OT] mobile rising

2017-11-10 Thread Tony via Digitalmars-d
On Wednesday, 8 November 2017 at 09:34:39 UTC, Joakim wrote: Why did they fund development of a new iMac Pro which is coming this December as well as the new MacBook Pros that came out this June? That's a contradiction of "milk it like an iPod". Because their userbase was rebelling? I take

Re: [OT] mobile rising

2017-11-10 Thread Tony via Digitalmars-d
Apple had a big benefit on mobile with their iTunes store that had already been established on Desktop and the very popular iPod. They also had rich USA buyers who bought more apps than users of the other platforms which encouraged developers to target iOS. And they had the Apple/Jobs

Re: [OT] mobile rising

2017-11-09 Thread jmh530 via Digitalmars-d
On Friday, 10 November 2017 at 01:19:06 UTC, codephantom wrote: Well, everytime I wanted to find something, I had to google it... Then I realised I had to pay for it as well...and, that's when i gave up. Bill Gates wasn't the richest man in the world for so long without reason. ;)

Re: [OT] mobile rising

2017-11-09 Thread codephantom via Digitalmars-d
On Thursday, 9 November 2017 at 14:42:41 UTC, Joakim wrote: As I said earlier, the mobile OS story is not over yet, there are more changes to come. Yeah...like more factories making more dongles. You want a dongle? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-XSC_UG5_kU

Re: [OT] mobile rising

2017-11-09 Thread codephantom via Digitalmars-d
On Friday, 10 November 2017 at 01:15:26 UTC, Jerry wrote: Not much of a technie nerd if it "just finished" and you've already exhausted your knowledge and have given up :). Just sayin'. Well, everytime I wanted to find something, I had to google it... Then I realised I had to pay for it as

Re: [OT] mobile rising

2017-11-09 Thread Jerry via Digitalmars-d
On Friday, 10 November 2017 at 01:04:05 UTC, codephantom wrote: On Friday, 10 November 2017 at 00:23:03 UTC, Jonathan M Davis wrote: I don't disagree that there are differences between FreeBSD and Linux, but my point is that for most folks, the differences are small enough that it's not all

Re: [OT] mobile rising

2017-11-09 Thread codephantom via Digitalmars-d
On Friday, 10 November 2017 at 00:23:03 UTC, Jonathan M Davis wrote: I don't disagree that there are differences between FreeBSD and Linux, but my point is that for most folks, the differences are small enough that it's not all that different from trying to convince someone to use one Linux

Re: [OT] mobile rising

2017-11-09 Thread codephantom via Digitalmars-d
On Friday, 10 November 2017 at 00:23:03 UTC, Jonathan M Davis wrote: Plenty of us do get picky about details, which would lead us to one or the other, depending on our preferences, but there are way more similarities than differences - to the point that to many folks, the differences seem

Re: [OT] mobile rising

2017-11-09 Thread Jonathan M Davis via Digitalmars-d
On Thursday, November 09, 2017 23:42:37 codephantom via Digitalmars-d wrote: > On Wednesday, 8 November 2017 at 11:47:32 UTC, Jonathan M Davis > > wrote: > > Oh, I'm all for using FreeBSD, but most of the arguments for > > using FreeBSD over Windows apply to Linux. And if you can't get > > someone

Re: [OT] mobile rising

2017-11-09 Thread codephantom via Digitalmars-d
On Wednesday, 8 November 2017 at 11:47:32 UTC, Jonathan M Davis wrote: Oh, I'm all for using FreeBSD, but most of the arguments for using FreeBSD over Windows apply to Linux. And if you can't get someone to switch from Windows to Linux, you're not going to get them to switch to FreeBSD.

Re: [OT] mobile rising

2017-11-09 Thread Ola Fosheim Grøstad via Digitalmars-d
On Thursday, 9 November 2017 at 14:42:41 UTC, Joakim wrote: Do you blame them, given such anti-competitive measures long undertaken by MS and Apple? Big businesses do what they can get away with. Once upon a time governments cared about anti-trust (E.g. AT and IBM), but nowadays it seems

Re: [OT] mobile rising

2017-11-09 Thread Jerry via Digitalmars-d
On Thursday, 9 November 2017 at 14:42:41 UTC, Joakim wrote: There is some truth to this, but if you cannot compete with a free product- cough, cough, Windows Mobile- I don't know what to tell you. In other words, google cannot afford to spend a fraction of the money on Android that Apple

Re: [OT] mobile rising

2017-11-09 Thread Joakim via Digitalmars-d
On Thursday, 9 November 2017 at 14:22:22 UTC, Ola Fosheim Grøstad wrote: I also think we should add to this discussion that Google was hellbent on going forward with Android even when it was clearly inferior. Apple tried to squish out Google's services from their iOS products for a while. And

Re: [OT] mobile rising

2017-11-09 Thread Joakim via Digitalmars-d
On Thursday, 9 November 2017 at 14:15:47 UTC, Ola Fosheim Grøstad wrote: On Thursday, 9 November 2017 at 00:09:32 UTC, Joakim wrote: smaller search company, did with Android, leaving aside Apple because of your silly claims that their existing software gave them a headstart, which is why those

Re: [OT] mobile rising

2017-11-09 Thread Ola Fosheim Grøstad via Digitalmars-d
I also think we should add to this discussion that Google was hellbent on going forward with Android even when it was clearly inferior. Apple tried to squish out Google's services from their iOS products for a while. And that is exactly what Google tries to prevent by funding things like

Re: [OT] mobile rising

2017-11-09 Thread Ola Fosheim Grøstad via Digitalmars-d
On Thursday, 9 November 2017 at 00:09:32 UTC, Joakim wrote: smaller search company, did with Android, leaving aside Apple because of your silly claims that their existing software gave them a headstart, which is why those former computing giants are all either dead or fading fast. It is

Re: [OT] mobile rising

2017-11-09 Thread Joakim via Digitalmars-d
On Thursday, 9 November 2017 at 12:27:49 UTC, Paulo Pinto wrote: On Thursday, 9 November 2017 at 00:09:32 UTC, Joakim wrote: ... I think you greatly overestimate what was needed to compete in this mobile market at that time. I'm not saying it was easy, but the PC and mobile giants before

Re: [OT] mobile rising

2017-11-09 Thread Paulo Pinto via Digitalmars-d
On Thursday, 9 November 2017 at 00:09:32 UTC, Joakim wrote: ... I think you greatly overestimate what was needed to compete in this mobile market at that time. I'm not saying it was easy, but the PC and mobile giants before iOS/Android clearly didn't have the vision or ability to execute

Re: [OT] mobile rising

2017-11-08 Thread codephantom via Digitalmars-d
On Thursday, 9 November 2017 at 02:34:35 UTC, codephantom wrote: I'll try it out today too(I just have to wait till the Windows 10 iso finishes downloading...so maybe I should say... I'll try it out 'tomorrow'... ohhh..wtf...it's still downloading??.gee... I might go to sleep..and

Re: [OT] mobile rising

2017-11-08 Thread codephantom via Digitalmars-d
On Thursday, 9 November 2017 at 02:23:33 UTC, jmh530 wrote: I just got DMD set up using those instructions (though not sure all were needed, I followed them anyway). I am probably going to make good use of this, so thanks for highlighting it. Thanks for testing it and letting us know. I'll

Re: [OT] mobile rising

2017-11-08 Thread jmh530 via Digitalmars-d
On Wednesday, 8 November 2017 at 18:06:25 UTC, jmh530 wrote: Thanks. I'll make use of that. I'll be happy if I can get blas/lapack working. I just got DMD set up using those instructions (though not sure all were needed, I followed them anyway). I am probably going to make good use of

Re: [OT] mobile rising

2017-11-08 Thread Joakim via Digitalmars-d
On Wednesday, 8 November 2017 at 22:28:32 UTC, Ola Fosheim Grøstad wrote: On Wednesday, 8 November 2017 at 21:36:58 UTC, Joakim wrote: I don't know why you go back to Apple, when you clearly cut out the part of the above excuses quote where I pointed out that _google had none of the

Re: [OT] mobile rising

2017-11-08 Thread Ola Fosheim Grøstad via Digitalmars-d
On Wednesday, 8 November 2017 at 22:28:32 UTC, Ola Fosheim Grøstad wrote: in anything less than a decade. Apple could focus on hardware and drivers and a little bit of fickling with their existing OS-X frameworks. That's a major difference. I didn't mean «fickling», that was quasi-norwegian…

Re: [OT] mobile rising

2017-11-08 Thread Ola Fosheim Grøstad via Digitalmars-d
On Wednesday, 8 November 2017 at 21:36:58 UTC, Joakim wrote: I don't know why you go back to Apple, when you clearly cut out the part of the above excuses quote where I pointed out that _google had none of the advantages_ you think were necessary to win mobile, yet created the OS that now

Re: [OT] mobile rising

2017-11-08 Thread Joakim via Digitalmars-d
On Wednesday, 8 November 2017 at 21:02:26 UTC, Ola Fosheim Grøstad wrote: On Wednesday, 8 November 2017 at 17:51:45 UTC, Joakim wrote: way to axing that line altogether. The notion that their iOS line, which now brings in the vast majority of their profits and revenue, is riskier is a joke.

Re: [OT] mobile rising

2017-11-08 Thread Ola Fosheim Grøstad via Digitalmars-d
On Wednesday, 8 November 2017 at 17:51:45 UTC, Joakim wrote: way to axing that line altogether. The notion that their iOS line, which now brings in the vast majority of their profits and revenue, is riskier is a joke. That really depends on what you mean by risk. There is no general

Re: [OT] mobile rising

2017-11-08 Thread jmh530 via Digitalmars-d
On Wednesday, 8 November 2017 at 17:51:45 UTC, Joakim wrote: The linux build of dmd has already been used on WSL to compile ldc without a problem: https://wiki.dlang.org/Build_LDC_for_Android#Notes_for_Bash_on_Ubuntu_on_Windows Thanks. I'll make use of that. I'll be happy if I can get

Re: [OT] mobile rising

2017-11-08 Thread Joakim via Digitalmars-d
On Wednesday, 8 November 2017 at 14:36:11 UTC, jmh530 wrote: On Wednesday, 8 November 2017 at 12:35:19 UTC, codephantom wrote: btw. I wonder if anyone has got the linux version of DMD x64 to run on the Windows Subsystem for Linux (available in Windows 10 I believe). I'm not that familiar

Re: [OT] mobile rising

2017-11-08 Thread Ola Fosheim Grøstad via Digitalmars-d
On Wednesday, 8 November 2017 at 09:34:39 UTC, Joakim wrote: On Wednesday, 8 November 2017 at 00:09:51 UTC, Ola Fosheim Grøstad wrote: On Tuesday, 7 November 2017 at 19:46:04 UTC, Joakim wrote: Not at all, it makes things easier certainly, but there's a reason why mobile devs always test on

Re: [OT] mobile rising

2017-11-08 Thread jmh530 via Digitalmars-d
On Wednesday, 8 November 2017 at 12:35:19 UTC, codephantom wrote: btw. I wonder if anyone has got the linux version of DMD x64 to run on the Windows Subsystem for Linux (available in Windows 10 I believe). I'm not that familiar with the Windows Subsystem for Linux, but it looks like it

Re: [OT] mobile rising

2017-11-08 Thread Jonathan M Davis via Digitalmars-d
On Wednesday, November 08, 2017 12:35:19 codephantom via Digitalmars-d wrote: > On Wednesday, 8 November 2017 at 11:47:32 UTC, Jonathan M Davis > > wrote: > > Personally, I think that the best course of action in general > > as a developer is to try and make your software as > > cross-platform as

Re: [OT] mobile rising

2017-11-08 Thread codephantom via Digitalmars-d
On Wednesday, 8 November 2017 at 11:47:32 UTC, Jonathan M Davis wrote: Personally, I think that the best course of action in general as a developer is to try and make your software as cross-platform as reasonably possible and let folks run whatever they want to run. A lot of the OS-related

Re: [OT] mobile rising

2017-11-08 Thread Jonathan M Davis via Digitalmars-d
On Wednesday, November 08, 2017 10:35:17 codephantom via Digitalmars-d wrote: > On Wednesday, 8 November 2017 at 09:34:39 UTC, Joakim wrote: > > ... > > Companies (along with their technologies and profits) are like > waves in the ocean..they come..and they go.. > > But BSD Unix.. like the energy

Re: [OT] mobile rising

2017-11-08 Thread codephantom via Digitalmars-d
On Wednesday, 8 November 2017 at 09:34:39 UTC, Joakim wrote: ... Companies (along with their technologies and profits) are like waves in the ocean..they come..and they go.. But BSD Unix.. like the energy which binds our molecules...will always be with us... it seems.. So I re-iterate. If

Re: [OT] mobile rising

2017-11-08 Thread Joakim via Digitalmars-d
On Wednesday, 8 November 2017 at 00:09:51 UTC, Ola Fosheim Grøstad wrote: On Tuesday, 7 November 2017 at 19:46:04 UTC, Joakim wrote: Not at all, it makes things easier certainly, but there's a reason why mobile devs always test on the actual devices, because there are real differences.

Re: [OT] mobile rising

2017-11-08 Thread Paulo Pinto via Digitalmars-d
On Wednesday, 8 November 2017 at 06:27:15 UTC, Patrick Schluter wrote: On Wednesday, 8 November 2017 at 01:13:00 UTC, codephantom wrote: On Wednesday, 8 November 2017 at 00:09:51 UTC, Ola Fosheim Grøstad wrote: [...] Redhat have demonstrated that it can be done. GPL is not the obstacle. The

Re: [OT] mobile rising

2017-11-07 Thread Patrick Schluter via Digitalmars-d
On Wednesday, 8 November 2017 at 01:13:00 UTC, codephantom wrote: On Wednesday, 8 November 2017 at 00:09:51 UTC, Ola Fosheim Grøstad wrote: [...] Redhat have demonstrated that it can be done. GPL is not the obstacle. The obstacle is the desire to control/dominate a market. There, GPL will

Re: [OT] mobile rising

2017-11-07 Thread codephantom via Digitalmars-d
On Wednesday, 8 November 2017 at 00:09:51 UTC, Ola Fosheim Grøstad wrote: But frankly, I don't think many giants would start with a GPL code base like Linux. Redhat have demonstrated that it can be done. GPL is not the obstacle. The obstacle is the desire to control/dominate a market. There,

Re: [OT] mobile rising

2017-11-07 Thread Ola Fosheim Grøstad via Digitalmars-d
On Tuesday, 7 November 2017 at 19:46:04 UTC, Joakim wrote: Not at all, it makes things easier certainly, but there's a reason why mobile devs always test on the actual devices, because there are real differences. Mostly with low level stuff in my experience. Now, they're not going to dump

Re: [OT] mobile rising

2017-11-07 Thread Joakim via Digitalmars-d
On Tuesday, 7 November 2017 at 15:09:05 UTC, codephantom wrote: On Tuesday, 7 November 2017 at 14:33:28 UTC, Joakim wrote: Hopefully that means we'll see more competition in mobile than just android/iOS in the future. Watch out for the MINIX3/NetBSD combo...a microkernel coupled with a