Re: Old but interesting link as to the low adoption reason for D

2018-02-15 Thread Fred via Digitalmars-d
When god (walter) create eden (dlang) the man (bo the biz developer) is very happy. Man thinks he is in heaven. Until man eat the forbidden apple(the ecosystem library, editor, tools). Now man understand he is in hell. Walter has created great language. But this language is not first class(

Re: Old but interesting link as to the low adoption reason for D

2018-02-13 Thread bauss via Digitalmars-d
On Tuesday, 13 February 2018 at 11:45:00 UTC, Bo wrote: * Your guaranteed that this will have maintainers. Unlike alternative unofficial solutions. This is where you're wrong. Considering that D is an open-source language, nothing is guaranteed. Neither is there any guarantee who works

Re: Old but interesting link as to the low adoption reason for D

2018-02-13 Thread psychoticRabbit via Digitalmars-d
On Tuesday, 13 February 2018 at 01:46:02 UTC, Token wrote: D should recognize and embrace its nature as research platform/compiler enthusiasts playground favorite. I think this is a really good point, and one that D should be proud of. That is pretty much how I see D, and I really enjoy

Re: Old but interesting link as to the low adoption reason for D

2018-02-13 Thread rikki cattermole via Digitalmars-d
On 13/02/2018 11:45 AM, Bo wrote: Community attitude is just as important as the language. As a language D may been gaining exposure but if you dislike new people coming here and pointing out major and minor issues, then that exposure is useless and will only reinforce a negative image for

Re: Old but interesting link as to the low adoption reason for D

2018-02-13 Thread Bo via Digitalmars-d
On Tuesday, 13 February 2018 at 09:11:44 UTC, ketmar wrote: because Business Developers wants it that way. they are... well... Doing Business, and they wants someone to maintain all the libraries they are using. for free, of course. and what can be better than to offload this burden to

Re: Old but interesting link as to the low adoption reason for D

2018-02-13 Thread ketmar via Digitalmars-d
welkam wrote: On Monday, 12 February 2018 at 22:10:49 UTC, Bo wrote: * Lack of default OFFICIAL libraries like HTTP(s), database access, ... Why there should be one default OFFICIAL library for anything? because Business Developers wants it that way. they are... well... Doing Business,

Re: Old but interesting link as to the low adoption reason for D

2018-02-13 Thread welkam via Digitalmars-d
On Monday, 12 February 2018 at 22:10:49 UTC, Bo wrote: * Lack of default OFFICIAL libraries like HTTP(s), database access, ... Why there should be one default OFFICIAL library for anything? Writing libraries is about choosing between different tradeoffs so no library satisfy all use cases.

Re: Old but interesting link as to the low adoption reason for D

2018-02-12 Thread Token via Digitalmars-d
On Tuesday, 13 February 2018 at 01:20:53 UTC, ketmar wrote: Bo wrote: This is part of the issues that D faces. Especially that last sentence... "bring a significant benefit". tbh, the only *real* problem with D that i see is people who thinks that D (and D devs) should do everything to

Re: Old but interesting link as to the low adoption reason for D

2018-02-12 Thread ketmar via Digitalmars-d
Bo wrote: This is part of the issues that D faces. Especially that last sentence... "bring a significant benefit". tbh, the only *real* problem with D that i see is people who thinks that D (and D devs) should do everything to please "business developers". 'cause, you know, there is no

Re: Old but interesting link as to the low adoption reason for D

2018-02-12 Thread Bastiaan Veelo via Digitalmars-d
On Monday, 12 February 2018 at 22:35:58 UTC, Ali wrote: why not try, for a change to show a positive attitude you must of have heard of something good about D that brought you here [...] I believe the untold D one true calling, is to be a full stack language, used for both high level and

Re: Old but interesting link as to the low adoption reason for D

2018-02-12 Thread Ali via Digitalmars-d
On Monday, 12 February 2018 at 22:10:49 UTC, Bo wrote: On Monday, 12 February 2018 at 21:49:00 UTC, Craig Dillabaugh wrote: How to fix? It only gets fixed when the people above put forward a clear goal for the language. When that is lacking and people move at random like headless chickens with

Re: Old but interesting link as to the low adoption reason for D

2018-02-12 Thread bachmeier via Digitalmars-d
On Monday, 12 February 2018 at 22:10:49 UTC, Bo wrote: On Monday, 12 February 2018 at 21:49:00 UTC, Craig Dillabaugh wrote: So what is your suggested course of action to correct this PR problem? I have provided several: * As stated the D its focusing the wrong group of developers * Too much

Re: Old but interesting link as to the low adoption reason for D

2018-02-12 Thread Bo via Digitalmars-d
On Monday, 12 February 2018 at 21:49:00 UTC, Craig Dillabaugh wrote: So what is your suggested course of action to correct this PR problem? I have provided several: * As stated the D its focusing the wrong group of developers * Too much old baggage and regressions because of it * Too much

Re: Old but interesting link as to the low adoption reason for D

2018-02-12 Thread Craig Dillabaugh via Digitalmars-d
On Monday, 12 February 2018 at 21:42:25 UTC, Bo wrote: https://www.reddit.com/r/ProgrammingLanguages/comments/4etdnc/free_pascal_is_very_super_mega_ultra_underrated/ Ignore the part about Pascal and read the Post by matthieum: [...] Here are some of the comments: [...] This is part of