Re: [tdf-discuss] IBM donates code for Lotus Symphony to Apache

2013-01-21 Thread Ian Lynch
On 21 January 2013 18:20, Immanuel Giulea giulea.imman...@gmail.com wrote: I know talking about Apache is not one of our main priorities. But I still wanted to share the news about Lotus Symphony and OpenOffice merging back after their fork.

Re: [tdf-discuss] LO vs AOO : GPL/LGPL vs ASL licences

2013-01-02 Thread Ian Lynch
On 2 January 2013 16:00, Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org wrote: I think the most important distinction to an end user, aside from knowing that both allow them to *use* the software in any way they see fit - personal, commercial, etc, is that the LO project is able to benefit from AOO

Re: [board-discuss] Market Share

2012-02-23 Thread Ian Lynch
On 23 February 2012 10:35, Michael Meeks michael.me...@suse.com wrote: Hi Jaime, On Wed, 2012-02-22 at 20:13 +0100, Jaime R. Garza wrote: does anyone have a reliable source for the actual Office Suite Maket Share? Not really a question for the board list :-) Basically I need to

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Re: IBM is alive ;)

2012-02-11 Thread Ian Lynch
On 9 February 2012 05:29, Michelle Konzack linux4miche...@tamay-dogan.netwrote: Hello Jonathan Aquilina, Am 2012-02-04 15:37:19, hacktest Du folgendes herunter: The migration to the Cloud seems quite interesting and fit for a general discussion list ;) Its actually quite funny I was

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Re: IBM is alive ;)

2012-02-11 Thread Ian Lynch
On 11 February 2012 12:09, Pedro pedl...@gmail.com wrote: Ian Lynch wrote Without it AOO/LO has no long term future. Most of us in my company use Google Docs and our own web pages in Drupal far more than we use Writer and Calc. Ok, we are a bit ahead of the general curve but the scope

Re: [tdf-discuss] Is Microsoft getting worried about free Office suites?

2011-12-02 Thread Ian Lynch
On 1 December 2011 14:27, toki toki.kant...@gmail.com wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 28/11/11 11:14, Pedro wrote: I'm wondering if the recent offer for download of the add supported limited edition of Microsoft Office Starter is a reaction to the improving

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Is Microsoft getting worried about free Office suites?

2011-11-29 Thread Ian Lynch
On 28 November 2011 20:16, Robert Derman robert.der...@pressenter.comwrote: Olav Dahlum wrote: On 28/11/11 13:13, Pedro wrote: Ian Lynch wrote Google should do a version of Office based on the OOo/LibO code base and embed ads and search links, make it available freely and brand

Re: [tdf-discuss] Is Microsoft getting worried about free Office suites?

2011-11-28 Thread Ian Lynch
On 28 November 2011 11:14, Pedro pedl...@gmail.com wrote: I'm wondering if the recent offer for download of the add supported limited edition of Microsoft Office Starter is a reaction to the improving quality and dynamics of several free Office suites (with LibreOffice leading the pack)

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Is Microsoft getting worried about free Office suites?

2011-11-28 Thread Ian Lynch
On 28 November 2011 12:13, Pedro pedl...@gmail.com wrote: Ian Lynch wrote Google should do a version of Office based on the OOo/LibO code base and embed ads and search links, make it available freely and brand it Google Office. Given their brand strength and marketing, that would

Re: [tdf-discuss] Associations around TDF

2011-11-03 Thread Ian Lynch
On 2 November 2011 21:25, Jean-Baptiste Faure jbf.fa...@orange.fr wrote: Le 02/11/2011 09:50, Andre Schnabel a écrit : Hi, Datum: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 14:36:01 -0200 Von: Olivier Hallot olivier.hal...@documentfoundation.org An: discuss@documentfoundation.org Betreff: Re: [tdf-discuss]

Re: [tdf-discuss] ODF and HTML 5

2011-10-05 Thread Ian Lynch
But if you want to see how you can view a file in the open document format (please! not libreoffice or openoffice format) then you can check out http://www.webodf.org/. WebODF is a package of JavaScript routines that unpacks the zip store and transforms the odf styles to css and then shows the

Re: [tdf-discuss] OASIS Standard ODF 1.2 Approved

2011-10-03 Thread Ian Lynch
On 2 October 2011 23:41, Jaime R. Garza gar...@gmail.com wrote: Hello All, Why isn't ODF added as an extension of HTML5? That is a very good idea. This would define ODF as the defacto Web Standard for Files! An ideas who could try to pursue such an agreement? Presumably get OASIS, TDF and

[tdf-discuss] ODF and HTML 5

2011-10-03 Thread Ian Lynch
There has been a proposal to try and get ODF recognised as an official extension of HTML5. On the face of it it sounds a good idea but I don't know enough about the details or whether this is already in progress. I guess it would require discussion with W3C, OASIS, and probably TDF and ASF as a

Re: [tdf-discuss] ODF and HTML 5

2011-10-03 Thread Ian Lynch
On 3 October 2011 18:02, Dennis E. Hamilton dennis.hamil...@acm.org wrote: My apologies for the heavy-duty cross-posting.  It might be good to pick a single public list and a subject header and converge there. Q: WHERE IS THE PROPOSAL? This started as a simple e-mail list question by Jaime

Re: [steering-discuss] Base - a new mailing list?

2011-09-13 Thread Ian Lynch
I think part of the problem is the rise of client server databases with the internet. It's a bit of an irony because to start with OOo used the principle of connecting to a database rather than including the old Addabas that was with StarOffice. Snag now is that even if the use of Base is minority

Re: [steering-discuss] Off-topic - please move to discuss@

2011-09-13 Thread Ian Lynch
The general notion here was that having a separate Base list would not serve the purpose - so what other, concrete proposals are there to discuss within the SC? The general notion you're saying, IMHO, comes from people who are not directly involved in Base's issue itself. How many of

Re: [steering-discuss] Off-topic - please move to discuss@

2011-09-13 Thread Ian Lynch
On 13 September 2011 13:32, Charles-H. Schulz charles.sch...@documentfoundation.org wrote: Hello Ian, Tom, Paulo, 2011/9/13 Ian Lynch ianrly...@gmail.com The general notion here was that having a separate Base list would not serve the purpose - so what other, concrete proposals

Re: [steering-discuss] Certification of end-user skills

2011-09-08 Thread Ian Lynch
:) I think i only read the bad parts of Charles' post completely missed the good. Great to hear it's beginning to click into place :) Regards from Tom :) From: Ian Lynch ianrly...@gmail.com To: steering-discuss@documentfoundation.org Sent: Wed

Re: [steering-discuss] Certification of end-user skills

2011-09-08 Thread Ian Lynch
Oops forgot the link! Its here https://theingots.org/community/OOoCert On 8 September 2011 11:50, Ian Lynch ianrly...@gmail.com wrote: On 7 September 2011 15:56, Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Hi :) Bad was not really the right word. Negative would have been more apt. Anyway

[tdf-discuss] Barcamp at Oxford University UK

2011-08-04 Thread Ian Lynch
Hi all, On behalf of Ross Gardler at Apache and OSSwatch, I'm inviting everyone who can make it to a BarCamp. http://barcamp.org/w/page/400249/BarCampApacheOxford What happens there is defined by the people who attend. The schedule is not defined until the day itself, so this is a great

Re: [tdf-discuss] Barcamp at Oxford University UK

2011-08-04 Thread Ian Lynch
a social event to get people together. Apache will be paying for food and the venue though so maybe there is a free lunch if not free beer ;-). As I said, the only reason Apache is in the title is because they are underwriting the cost. On 4 Aug 2011, at 16:19, Ian Lynch wrote: Hi all

Re: [tdf-discuss] ignore m$ legacy?

2011-08-01 Thread Ian Lynch
2011/8/1 Marc-André Laverdière marc-an...@atc.tcs.com Why can't LO be a killer office that can handle _every document_ under the sun? That's VLC reputation in the multimedia field, and that works very very fine for them I think :) As for the spreading of ODF, I suggest to pick a different

Re: [tdf-discuss] ignore m$ legacy?

2011-07-22 Thread Ian Lynch
On 22 July 2011 02:06, Andrew Douglas Pitonyak and...@pitonyak.org wrote: On 07/21/2011 09:43 AM, Gordon Burgess-Parker wrote: On 21/07/2011 14:23, Andrew Douglas Pitonyak wrote: I am of the opinion that good inter-operability with MSO products makes it easier to attract new users and that

Re: [tdf-discuss] New LibreOffice Reader Eliminates Need for PDF Reader

2011-07-06 Thread Ian Lynch
On 6 July 2011 08:45, Robert Derman robert.der...@pressenter.com wrote: Someone explained here in a more detailed and understandable way just what the nature of the design of Staroffice actually is. That in fact it is just one big program and the different modules are just different about 300

Re: [tdf-discuss] New LibreOffice Reader Eliminates Need for PDF Reader

2011-07-05 Thread Ian Lynch
On 5 July 2011 21:58, Robert Derman robert.der...@pressenter.com wrote: e-letter wrote: As far as the request for the ability to download individual components of LO, this should not be enabled. The whole concept of the predecessor staroffice product was to provide various functionalities

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: New LibreOffice Reader Eliminates Need for PDF Reader

2011-07-04 Thread Ian Lynch
Sorry to come in late on this thread, but there is an android ODF reader: http://www.androidzoom.com/**android_applications/** productivity/odf-viewer_mnhl.**htmlhttp://www.androidzoom.com/android_applications/productivity/odf-viewer_mnhl.html It seems to have rather come to a halt, but

Re: [tdf-discuss] New LibreOffice Reader Eliminates Need for PDF Reader

2011-07-03 Thread Ian Lynch
On 2 July 2011 23:22, Robert Derman robert.der...@pressenter.com wrote: Keith Curtis wrote: The problem with building a reader is that it would be about the same size as LibreOffice. OpenDocument is very different from PDF. For those who can't install LO, they probably can't install the

Re: [tdf-discuss] New LibreOffice Reader Eliminates Need for PDF Reader

2011-07-03 Thread Ian Lynch
On 3 July 2011 21:38, Robert Derman robert.der...@pressenter.com wrote: Ian Lynch wrote: On 2 July 2011 23:22, Robert Derman robert.der...@pressenter.com wrote Keith Curtis wrote: The problem with building a reader is that it would be about the same size as LibreOffice. OpenDocument

Re: [tdf-discuss] New LibreOffice Reader Eliminates Need for PDF Reader

2011-06-26 Thread Ian Lynch
On 26 June 2011 01:15, Sean White runicpala...@gmail.com wrote: I dont thinks thats normal somehow, i have been using Adobe Reader for years and have NEVER had it come past 200MB. ISTR a whole load of adverising crap in one large Acrobat download. Back to discussion, what's with all the PDF

Re: [tdf-discuss] New LibreOffice Reader Eliminates Need for PDF Reader

2011-06-25 Thread Ian Lynch
Manfred wrote: I still believe that PDF is the best solution to distribute final versions of text (and maybe other office) documents. I'd say yes if they are likely to be printed on paper, no if it is only likely to be read from a screen. Snag is desktop office software originates from a time

Re: [tdf-discuss] New LibreOffice Reader Eliminates Need for PDF Reader

2011-06-25 Thread Ian Lynch
On 25 June 2011 10:02, timofonic timofonic timofo...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 3:42 AM, Nuno J. Silva nunojsi...@ist.utl.pt wrote: On 2011-06-24, Andrea Pescetti wrote: Marc Paré wrote: if we were to promote a quick and dirty LibreOffice Reader, very much like the Adobe

Re: [tdf-discuss] New LibreOffice Reader Eliminates Need for PDF Reader

2011-06-25 Thread Ian Lynch
On 25 June 2011 13:37, Simon Phipps si...@webmink.com wrote: On 25 Jun 2011, at 08:33, Ian Lynch wrote: Manfred wrote: I still believe that PDF is the best solution to distribute final versions of text (and maybe other office) documents. I'd say yes if they are likely

Re: [tdf-discuss] TDF Certification

2011-06-24 Thread Ian Lynch
On 23 June 2011 12:09, Goran Rakic gra...@devbase.net wrote: У чет, 23. 06 2011. у 10:41 +0100, Ian Lynch пише: All it needs to do is have a set of criteria or even a simple contractual statement that the partner company providing services on behalf of the community will uphold community

Re: [tdf-discuss] TDF Certification

2011-06-24 Thread Ian Lynch
On 24 June 2011 14:39, Uwe Altmann o...@altsys.de wrote: Hi Ian Am 22.06.11 17:01, schrieb Ian Lynch: On 6/22/11 1:40 PM, Ian Lynch wrote: ...The OpenOffice project application was submitted through OpenSaar in Germany. I wrote it but we thought it better to go through a different

Re: [tdf-discuss] New LibreOffice Reader Eliminates Need for PDF Reader

2011-06-23 Thread Ian Lynch
On 23 June 2011 22:40, Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com wrote: OK, this is just a teaser to entice people into a discussion of the following proposal. There is talk on the documentation list of the formats made available to users of our documents (manuals, reference books, etc). These for now are

Re: [tdf-discuss] OpenOffice.org Product Roadmap: made by whom ? was: Re: [discuss] remove of binfilter module

2011-06-17 Thread Ian Lynch
On 17 June 2011 12:08, sophie gautier.sop...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Drew, On 17/06/2011 13:34, drew wrote: [...] People in other countries are capable of directing their own affairs, I would think. Yes, and as we have seen with OOo, it works really well. Unless you are thinking of

Re: [tdf-discuss] Triple licensing?

2011-06-14 Thread Ian Lynch
On 14 June 2011 06:55, Keith Curtis keit...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all; I had an idea that you could offer to let people triple-license their changes. How does that work? Surely if they licensed their work Apache it means there is no need for the other licenses because the Apache license would

Re: [tdf-discuss] Triple licensing?

2011-06-14 Thread Ian Lynch
On 14 June 2011 11:38, Keith Curtis keit...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 2:43 AM, Christoph Jopp j...@gmx.de wrote: Not automatically. Someone might want the more restrictive license because he wants to mix it with other code with a license incompatible to the least

Re: [tdf-discuss] Enhancement Request: Comment Ranges

2011-06-12 Thread Ian Lynch
On 12 June 2011 14:57, adept techlists - kazar techli...@ade.pt wrote: I'll just add the point from a philosophical standpoint that almost more than enabling all humans to create documents (presos etc.), is enabling humans to work together. Even better if it was on the web so that documents

[steering-discuss] Re: TDF/LO, what is the art of the possible?

2011-06-05 Thread Ian Lynch
On 5 June 2011 17:31, Sam Ruby ru...@intertwingly.net wrote: 2011/6/5 André Schnabel andre.schna...@gmx.net: In your questionary, the questions to me seem to be of two kinds: 1) questions that are targeted to individuals actions (sign Apache CLA, contribute code to Apache as well as to

Re: RE : Re: [tdf-discuss] RE: Proposal to join Apache OpenOffice

2011-06-05 Thread Ian Lynch
On 5 June 2011 09:19, Norbert Thiebaud nthieb...@gmail.com wrote: Don't you think that is a bit over-paranoid? I don't think he is. If OOo was so valuable how come they didn't actually sell it off to someone like IBM for real dollars? How do I know that it did not happen? Because such

Re: [tdf-discuss] RE: Proposal to join Apache OpenOffice

2011-06-05 Thread Ian Lynch
On 5 June 2011 10:04, e-letter inp...@gmail.com wrote: DF programmers should join the Apache OO committee merely to be aware of activities in this product. LO should remain separate as a full GPL product. Presumably, if DF members become aware of feature X becoming imminent in apache OO, they

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: [Libreoffice] Proposal to join Apache OpenOffice

2011-06-05 Thread Ian Lynch
On 5 June 2011 14:10, todd rme toddrme2...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 12:48 PM, Sam Ruby ru...@apache.org wrote: I will be totally transparent as to what my preference however is. It is my fond hope that all of the participants will identify subsections of the code that they

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: [Libreoffice] Proposal to join Apache OpenOffice

2011-06-05 Thread Ian Lynch
On 5 June 2011 17:15, Sam Ruby ru...@apache.org wrote: On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 12:03 PM, Simon Phipps si...@webmink.com wrote: So back to the constructive point: what are the best, most uniting proposals we can come up with for ASF and LibreOffice to co-operate? I've outlined two here:

Re: [tdf-discuss] RE: Proposal to join Apache OpenOffice

2011-06-04 Thread Ian Lynch
On 4 June 2011 16:47, Zaphod Feeblejocks zapho...@gmail.com wrote: Is it possible to allow Oracle to donate to Apache and then for TDF to go to Apache and say Please let us have that? It's a good question. I suspect not now - OOo is not yet even accepted into the incubator at Apache. Depends

Re: [tdf-discuss] RE: Proposal to join Apache OpenOffice

2011-06-04 Thread Ian Lynch
On 4 June 2011 17:29, Gianluca Turconi pub...@letturefantastiche.comwrote: In data 04 giugno 2011 alle ore 17:59:04, Ian Lynch ianrly...@gmail.com ha scritto: That is why we need to see if it is possible to cooperate such that those with a philosphical aversion to contributing

Re: RE : Re: [tdf-discuss] RE: Proposal to join Apache OpenOffice

2011-06-04 Thread Ian Lynch
On 4 June 2011 17:33, Charles-H. Schulz charles.sch...@documentfoundation.org wrote: Gianluca, Allen, My doubt comes from the article in the Register and the Groklaw analysis. Allen confirmed my suspicions. I understand, then, that contributing anything now to openoffice means to contribute

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Oracle contributes OOo Code to Apache Software Foundation'sIncubator

2011-06-03 Thread Ian Lynch
I just signed up as a committer on the Apache incubator this morning. Why? Am I against LO and TDF - no, at heart I'm a copyleft person, however, there are also practical realities to consider too sometimes. What is the worst case? OOo code and trademark go with Apache and then little is done. LO

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Paid developers

2011-05-15 Thread Ian Lynch
On 15 May 2011 06:35, Jonathan Aquilina eagles051...@gmail.com wrote: On 15/05/2011 03:58, Marc Paré wrote: Hi Ian Le 2011-05-14 18:14, Ian Lynch a écrit : Totally agree with this. OOo had some severe problems in the early days simply because it was not easy to install across hundreds

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Paid developers

2011-05-15 Thread Ian Lynch
still think that we should also have a corporate LibreOffice lab where dedicated devs would pre-test suites. What better place to have it than official TDF/LibreOffice head office facilities? Le 2011-05-15 09:28, Ian Lynch a écrit : Not sure about in USA/Canada but here in the UK nearly all

Re: [tdf-discuss] German Foreign Office is dropping only open source software policy

2011-05-14 Thread Ian Lynch
Also the guidance was poor and the apps did not get updated for years. So the endusers in the diplomatic services got displeased more and more, but the responsible persons in the administration choose the wrong way out. This is the short version, you can read a bit more at the H :

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Paid developers

2011-05-14 Thread Ian Lynch
On 14 May 2011 17:56, Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com wrote: Hi Ian et al Le 2011-05-14 07:29, Ian Lynch a écrit : Whilst certification seems a good strategy, what about parental power being exerted upon schools? One would imagine that if parents (espcialy of low income families) were aware

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Paid Developers

2011-05-13 Thread Ian Lynch
On 12 May 2011 17:55, Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com wrote: Le 2011-05-11 17:01, Samuel M a écrit : I believe, that The Document Foundation can employ Developers for LibreOffice. I believe the community is able to get the money for that on a monthly base. We saw that the community was able

Re: [tdf-discuss] Two simple writer annoyances

2011-05-02 Thread Ian Lynch
On 1 May 2011 11:22, Sigrid Carrera sigrid.carr...@googlemail.com wrote: Hi Alexander, On Sun, 01 May 2011 07:16:37 +0200 Alexander Ostuni folkfr...@gmx.de wrote: Yes, it is build to produce Dokuments and because of that I need to rotate a picture. I work in a bank. We have restrictions

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Two simple writer annoyances

2011-05-01 Thread Ian Lynch
On 1 May 2011 00:05, plino pedl...@gmail.com wrote: @Ian Over 20 years ago I used Impression Publisher and it could rotate graphics You are confusing programs: a Word Processor (such as LibreOffice Writer) is not a Desktop Publishing software. Impression Publisher was a document

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Two simple writer annoyances

2011-05-01 Thread Ian Lynch
On 1 May 2011 11:30, Krabina Bernhard krab...@kdz.or.at wrote: You are confusing programs: a Word Processor (such as LibreOffice Writer) is not a Desktop Publishing software. I don't think anybody is confusing something. Not so long ago with you mobile phone you could make phonecalls,

Re: [tdf-discuss] Two simple writer annoyances

2011-04-30 Thread Ian Lynch
On 30 April 2011 14:03, Fernand Vanrie s...@pmgroup.be wrote: Ian , No , we can not rotate a picture in LO , but LO is not our favorite application to handle our pictures and graphics. LO is build to produce documents, pictures are taken by camera and for correcting and rotating this

Re: [tdf-discuss] Two simple writer annoyances

2011-04-29 Thread Ian Lynch
On 29 April 2011 07:28, Krabina Bernhard krab...@kdz.or.at wrote: Hi, I think there are two annoyances in writer that should not be that hard to fix. I hope someone can fix these: 1. Why can't writer have image descriptions ABOVE the image as well? It can do it with tables, but with

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Forums... again

2011-04-29 Thread Ian Lynch
On 29 April 2011 16:33, e-letter inp...@gmail.com wrote: As I said, I'm sure Bill Gates said leave those toy phones to Nokia, RIM and Apple. Google seem to have been smarter. As mobile and web technologies take over I can see much harder times ahead for anyone dependent on local

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Question about proposing the creation of a new format

2011-04-28 Thread Ian Lynch
On 27 April 2011 21:42, Mark Preston m...@mpreston.demon.co.uk wrote: Dear good gods alive no! :eave the HTML to proper HTML IDE tools like Eclipse and don't try to be everything in one package. Hm, you mean like don't bother with OOo/LO because there are plenty of text editors, separate

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Question about proposing the creation of a new format

2011-04-27 Thread Ian Lynch
On 26 April 2011 22:48, e-letter inp...@gmail.com wrote: I think this is a very interesting issue. We are moving from the dominant technologies that were designed to put information on paper to the dominant need of presenting information on screens. With the revolution in digital readers

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Question about proposing the creation of a new format

2011-04-27 Thread Ian Lynch
My take on this suggestion is that LibO does what it does well. Production of epub documents is a marginal requirement I'm sure that is what MSFT thought about Windows in relation to cell phones and tablets ;-) , which does not need to be addressed with a built-in function. Professionals

Re: [tdf-discuss] Question about proposing the creation of a new format

2011-04-25 Thread Ian Lynch
On 25 April 2011 10:40, drew d...@baseanswers.com wrote: On Mon, 2011-04-25 at 11:17 +0200, CaStarCo wrote: 2011/4/25 Italo Vignoli italo.vign...@gmail.com On 04/25/2011 08:59 AM, todd rme wrote: Sounds like latex Apart from discussions on the characteristics of the file

Re: [tdf-discuss] LO OO are not the only competitors of MSOffice... LO could also make a simple office suite that runs in Android iOS

2011-04-08 Thread Ian Lynch
On 8 April 2011 19:06, Jaime R. Garza gar...@gmail.com wrote: For Android and iPhone it doesn't make sense to have the whole LO, only Clac, Writer Impress are needed urgently! Probably only Writer and Calc and an Impress viewer in the first instance. Snag is Uno. Replacing Uno with a web

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: European Commitee enter talks with MS licences, Please make your action today against it.

2011-04-07 Thread Ian Lynch
On 6 April 2011 12:54, aqualung xfekdcugj...@mailinator.com wrote: Ian Lynch wrote: On 6 April 2011 04:41, aqualung lt;xfekdcugj...@mailinator.comgt; wrote: Well, how many full-time developers, working 40-hour workweeks, does Microsoft Office have... and how many OOo and LibO

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: European Commitee enter talks with MS licences, Please make your action today against it.

2011-04-06 Thread Ian Lynch
On 6 April 2011 04:41, aqualung xfekdcugj...@mailinator.com wrote: Well, how many full-time developers, working 40-hour workweeks, does Microsoft Office have... and how many OOo and LibO? If the answer for MO is, say, 300... and the full-time equivalent for OOo / LibO is 50... then it's

Re: [tdf-discuss] European Commitee enter talks with MS licences, Please make your action today against it.

2011-04-05 Thread Ian Lynch
The commission is committed to getting value for money and negotiates on behalf of all the E.U. institutions, agencies and other bodies - 42 in all. Representing such a large number allows us to drive costs down and we will drive a hard bargain. How hard a bargain can they drive when the vendor

Re: [tdf-discuss] European Commitee enter talks with MS licences, Please make your action today against it.

2011-04-05 Thread Ian Lynch
On 5 April 2011 15:56, Mike Hall mike.h...@onepoyle.net wrote: Laszlo, I worked for perhaps 15 years with various versions of MSO as both a power user and as a senior manager with responsibility, inter alia, for MSO support. I met all the senior international people at the time, from MS and

Re: [tdf-discuss] OpenOffice.org articles in Linux Format March 2011

2011-02-13 Thread Ian Lynch
On 13 February 2011 18:22, adept techlists - kazar techli...@ade.pt wrote: On 2/12/11 2:04 PM, Robert Derman wrote: Just so you all know, 4 GB of DDR3 RAM can now be purchased for $36. on the internet. In historical terms, that is indeed dirt cheap. and how much would it cost to have that

Re: [tdf-discuss] OpenOffice.org articles in Linux Format March 2011

2011-02-12 Thread Ian Lynch
On 12 February 2011 19:04, Robert Derman robert.der...@pressenter.comwrote: Kevin Hunter wrote: At 4:09pm -0500 Fri, 11 Feb 2011, Charles Marcus wrote: On 2011-02-11 3:35 PM, Kevin Hunter wrote: How the quickstarter works is have use gobs of memory effectively sitting idle. That doesn't

Re: [tdf-discuss] Foundation Fundraising

2011-02-10 Thread Ian Lynch
On 9 February 2011 18:44, toki toki.kant...@gmail.com wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02/08/2011 04:36 PM, BRM wrote: Why resort to deception and Microsoft-esque tactics to promote LO? FWIW, it isn't uncommon for 501(c)3 organizations to have a for-profit

Re: [tdf-discuss] Foundation Fundraising

2011-02-08 Thread Ian Lynch
On 8 February 2011 09:18, Jonathan Aquilina eagles051...@gmail.com wrote: Is the TDF an NGO. If its based in the EU the organization can possibly get a lot of funding from the EU itself. Yes but probably not by the end of March! Applying for EU grants is certainly possible and we have

Re: [tdf-discuss] Foundation Fundraising

2011-02-08 Thread Ian Lynch
On 8 February 2011 11:34, Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org wrote: Hi, thanks for your contributions, great to see things moving! :-) Well, I think opening an US bank account is problematic at least from the time perspective, but maybe also from a legal PoV - our

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Mac App Store

2011-01-07 Thread Ian Lynch
2011/1/7 Fabián Rodríguez magic...@member.fsf.org On 11-01-06 11:16 PM, Larry Gusaas wrote: On 2011/01/06 9:57 PM todd rme wrote: I do find it bizarre that people are so up in arms about OOXML but seem to have no complaints with Apple's blatant attempts to have total control over the

Re: [tdf-discuss] Co-working with Moz, etc

2011-01-06 Thread Ian Lynch
On 6 January 2011 06:30, Jaime R. Garza gar...@gmail.com wrote: I believe integrating Thunderbird would be more a marketing move than anything else, but marketing is very effective!!! So that's why I think it would be great if Thunderbird could be integrated automatically with LO. As I said

Re: [tdf-discuss] Addons

2011-01-04 Thread Ian Lynch
On 4 January 2011 07:37, Cor Nouws oo...@nouenoff.nl wrote: Michael Wheatland wrote (04-01-11 02:59) If everyone was as clear and concise as you there would be no confusion about any issues. No, to me this is an obvious example of someone apparently unable to understand, Hm, has anyone

Re: [tdf-discuss] Addons (was: Re: Do not support writing to OOXML format)

2011-01-04 Thread Ian Lynch
Silverstripe site is that they don't understand the CMS and are not really interested in learning it. It is true, once you use Drupal, you will never install another CMS. That seems to me an important consideration long term. If there is likely to be more and longer term committed developer

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: (Fwd) The French Gov. loves Microsoft

2011-01-03 Thread Ian Lynch
On 3 January 2011 15:56, Alexander Thurgood alex.thurg...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Le 03/01/11 12:37, Zaphod Feeblejocks a écrit : I guess if you want to buy an iPad in France, now is a good time to do it! An iPad or any other mobile OS based device, ipad is hardly an OS based device.

Re: [tdf-discuss] Do not support writing to OOXML format

2011-01-03 Thread Ian Lynch
On 3 January 2011 15:14, Italo Vignoli italo.vign...@gmail.com wrote: On 1/3/11 7:38 AM, Johannes A. Bodwing wrote: Where can I read it? Is it in the next decade manifesto? http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/announce/msg00016.html And they are not equal. That's my problem

Re: [tdf-discuss] Co-working with Moz, etc (was:Do not support writing to OOXML format)

2011-01-02 Thread Ian Lynch
On 1 January 2011 18:43, Jonathan Aquilina eagles051...@gmail.com wrote: Whats really held OOo and will hold LO back is the lack of an equivalent program such as outlook. Why waste time and effort on this when there are other perfectly valid alternatives? Evolution, Thunderbird for open

Re: [tdf-discuss] Do not support writing to OOXML format

2011-01-01 Thread Ian Lynch
On 31 December 2010 17:04, Cor Nouws oo...@nouenoff.nl wrote: Gordon Burgess-Parker wrote (31-12-10 13:14) On 31/12/10 09:30, Jonathan Aquilina wrote: FYI for those that aren't aware. Microsoft office 2010 supports ODF format for opening and saving documents now. So does 2007 SP2 as

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Do not support writing to OOXML format

2011-01-01 Thread Ian Lynch
Office on-the-web only saves in docx. Office 2013/4 will quite possibly drop .doc export, just as Word 6/95 export was dropped from Word 2003 - after a failed attempt to drop it from 2000. MS can do this because they are the market leader. To fail to offer even rudimentary docx export

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Do not support writing to OOXML format

2010-12-31 Thread Ian Lynch
On 31 December 2010 11:35, Gordon Burgess-Parker gbpli...@gmail.com wrote: On 31/12/10 10:32, M. Fioretti wrote: wrong. Mine (mutt) doesn't for example, Then I would plonk you immediately. How do you not see that that is TOTALLY ARROGANT? If I send you an email in plain text and you

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Do not support writing to OOXML format

2010-12-31 Thread Ian Lynch
On 31 December 2010 10:37, Kevin André hyperquan...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 11:07, Gordon Burgess-Parker gbpli...@gmail.com wrote: 1. It is arrogant to return a document in a format different to that which was sent to you. (That's why email clients always reply in the

Re: [tdf-discuss] Do not support writing to OOXML format

2010-12-31 Thread Ian Lynch
On 30 December 2010 20:19, Gordon Burgess-Parker gbpli...@gmail.com wrote: On 30/12/10 17:27, Larry Gusaas wrote: I will not support or use LibreOffice until it stops helping spread OOXML by enabling writing in this file format. There is absolutely no need to write in this proprietary

Re: [tdf-discuss] International support

2010-12-14 Thread Ian Lynch
On 14 December 2010 12:49, Karl Morten Ramberg k...@ofs.no wrote: Yes I think LibO needs a way of offering intl support and responsetime guarantee to attract larger companies. And that that can be a way of partially fund the development Karl Den 14.12.2010 13:32, skrev sophie: Hi, On

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: A proposal for effective, volunteer-friendly user support in LibreOffice

2010-11-24 Thread Ian Lynch
On 23 November 2010 18:14, T. J. Brumfield enderand...@gmail.com wrote: There are open software stacks with various CMS tools where you can combine wiki, blog, forum, and FAQ functionality together. A community site could have articles on the front end to help demonstate features, provide

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: A proposal for effective, volunteer-friendly user support in LibreOffice

2010-11-23 Thread Ian Lynch
On 23 November 2010 21:25, Andy Brown a...@the-martin-byrd.net wrote: On Tue Nov 23 2010 12:36:35 GMT-0800 (PST) Robert Derman wrote: Assuming that it is, I think the primary users manual should focus on Writer, with just one chapter on each of the other modules, and a pointer to where to

[tdf-discuss] Take over of Novell

2010-11-22 Thread Ian Lynch
Is the take over of Novell going to affect the document foundation? -- Ian Ofqual Accredited IT Qualifications The Schools ITQwww.theINGOTs.org +44 (0)1827 305940 You have received this email from the following company: The Learning Machine Limited, Reg Office, 36 Ashby Road, Tamworth,

Re: [tdf-discuss] Take over of Novell

2010-11-22 Thread Ian Lynch
On 22 November 2010 20:41, Michael Meeks michael.me...@novell.com wrote: Hi Ian, On Mon, 2010-11-22 at 18:10 +, Ian Lynch wrote: Is the take over of Novell going to affect the document foundation? It has been long anticipated, and comes as no surprise. In the short

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Why LO mobile version should not be ignored

2010-11-19 Thread Ian Lynch
On 18 November 2010 23:05, Harold Fuchs hwfa.libreoff...@gmail.com wrote: On 18/11/2010 19:39, Ian Lynch wrote: On 18 November 2010 14:27, Florian Reisingerreisi...@live.at wrote: Has anyone in authority asked the PortableApps folk if they'd do a portable LibO? Can't hurt to ask

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Why LO mobile version should not be ignored

2010-11-19 Thread Ian Lynch
On 19 November 2010 15:11, Phil Hibbs sna...@gmail.com wrote: Ian Lynch: And of course there is the argument that without certain features some of the large public sector switches might not have happened. Back in my teens, my dad and I wrote a Basic interpreter for the PC based

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Inkscape vs. Draw

2010-11-17 Thread Ian Lynch
things that improve Draw and that includes ease of use.. Mayko Meier [image: banner.png] 2010/11/16 Ian Lynch ianrly...@gmail.com On 16 November 2010 14:35, Luc Novalès luc.nova...@cena.fr wrote: Hi, I am OOo, and now LO user. Le 15/11/2010 14:22, RGB ES a écrit

Re: Inkscape vs. Draw (was: Re: [tdf-discuss] Apply button)

2010-11-17 Thread Ian Lynch
On 17 November 2010 16:17, Benjamin Horst bho...@mac.com wrote: On Nov 16, 2010, at 5:36 PM, Ian Lynch wrote: Think this has lost the plot :-) The argument was not necessarily to replace Draw with Inkscape but to learn from it. Excellent--this is what I was hoping we were collectively

Re: Inkscape vs. Draw (was: Re: [tdf-discuss] Apply button)

2010-11-17 Thread Ian Lynch
On 17 November 2010 22:53, Benjamin Horst bho...@mac.com wrote: On Nov 17, 2010, at 11:36 AM, Ian Lynch wrote: On 17 November 2010 16:17, Benjamin Horst bho...@mac.com wrote: On Nov 16, 2010, at 5:36 PM, Ian Lynch wrote: Think this has lost the plot :-) The argument was not necessarily

Re: [tdf-discuss] document foundation wiki issues ...

2010-11-16 Thread Ian Lynch
In Drupal you can use public pages that are similar in concept to a Wiki. Anyone can edit them and you can store a history of all the edits and revert to earlier versions. You could make an automatic link from such pages to a discussion forum to discuss issues etc. On 15 November 2010 23:31,

Re: Inkscape vs. Draw (was: Re: [tdf-discuss] Apply button)

2010-11-15 Thread Ian Lynch
Inkscape is used by kids in primary schools so the argument about professional designers doesn't really hold water - I use it on a netbook! So why not have docked panes in Draw? If it works well offer it. Simple. Because the topic wasn't about docked panes, but about the

Re: [tdf-discuss] Apply button

2010-11-14 Thread Ian Lynch
of the content box idea? ;-) Cheers, Christoph Am Sonntag, den 14.11.2010, 11:50 + schrieb Ian Lynch: Good idea, you should never have to close a dialogue box in any multi-tasking environment in order to do anything. It seems to have been a peculiar thing that sprang up in Windows 3 applications

Re: [tdf-discuss] Who is Funding LibO?

2010-10-25 Thread ian . lynch
Would someone please explain where the money is coming from to fund LibO? Where is it expected to come from in the future, assuming Oracle will not join? There are a few possibilities. One is the certification project that we are currently working on. (Actually I have been working on it now

Re: [tdf-discuss] Basic question about Oracle asking OOo community members to leave

2010-10-20 Thread ian . lynch
Hi Marco, M. Fioretti wrote (20-10-10 05:46) [...] The real question was why didn't the TDF founders who have/had official roles in OOo publicly resign from those roles on Sept 28th, one second BEFORE announcing the birth of TDF? Would'nt it have been much more proper, considering that

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