Re: [tdf-discuss] WPS Office native document files are officially supported in LibreOffice?

[Joel Madero]

The wiki can be edited, if it's incomplete, update itthat's how the
community works.


On 11/08/2016 02:37 AM, Hugo Alejandro wrote:
> Thank you
>
> I looked at that list and is incomplete, Considering documents that are
> supported and do not appear in the list. In addition the extension .wps
> format refers to one of Wordperfect (WPEntrust Signed Document). I
> have also seen
> that LibreOffice has a good support MS Works documents (.wps also).
> I mean another .wps format with the MIME type "application/wps-office.wps".
>
> http://www.ksosoft.com/office/354-wps-office-and-wps-extension.html
>
>
>
> Thank you
>
> 2016-11-06 7:34 GMT-03:00 M Henri Day :
>
>> 2016-11-06 7:26 GMT+01:00 Hugo Alejandro :
>>
>>> Hello everyone, although it seems insane, there are users that use native
>>> file formats from "popular" office software as WPS Office.
>>>
>>> File extensions are: .wps for text document (different than ms works),
>>> .dps
>>> for presentations and .et for spreedsheets.
>>>
>>> The funny thing is that 50% of files that I get with these types of
>>> documents can be opened without problems, including encrypted files,
>>> however, the other 50% there is a total or partial loss of information to
>>> be
>>> imported. Interestingly, I have not found information on whether these
>>> formats are supported in LibreOffice, although the facts say yes.
>>>
>>> Is there such information or any place to get all currently supported
>>> files
>>> by LibreOffice? I found a great number of questions in the LibreOffice
>>> Ask, perhaps
>>> adding a supported files table on the wiki or the document help works (I'd
>>> like to help), considering it is one of the powerful features it has
>>> LibreOffice, together with project as TDLP.
>>>
>>> --
>>> *Hugo*
>>
>> ​Hugo, the article on LibreOffice in the English-language version of
>> Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LibreOffice) provides a list of
>> supported file formats ; for example, it is noted that .wps ​
>> ​files can be read, but not written to. I did not find any information
>> regarding .dps or .et files
>>
>> Henri
>>
>
>


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Re: [tdf-discuss] Base macro accessing highlighted data

[Joel Madero]

Wrong list - try the user list not the discuss list.

On 10/03/2016 08:56 AM, Robert Großkopf wrote:
> Hi meakasteve,
>
>
> > What I cannot do is this:  I want first to highlight a row in the
> > data-sheet of Form A by clicking the mouse onto the blank cell at
> > the left-hand side of the chosen row, then when I press the button
> > I want the macro not only to open the Form B but also to send data
> > held in one of the fields of the highlighted row of Form A (the
> > field contains primary key) to Form B.
>
> Don't know how to get an event from the row-marker. But the following
> code would work, if you will put it on the event "onclick" of a field
> in the row you will change:
>
> Sub Main(oEvent)
> oForm = oEvent.Source.Model.Parent.Parent
> oForm.updateString(2, "new Text")
> oForm.updateRow()
> End Sub
>
> First row connects to the form of a field in the tablecontrol. Form is
> parent of the tablecontrol, which is parent of the field.
> Second row updates the second field (2) with the text "new Text". If
> it isn't a string you want to update, you have to change the code here.
> Third row will write the code into the table, which is connected to
> the form.
> This will only work for updating a row, not for inserting new data to
> the row.
>
> Here some code from the German Handbook, which updates different fields:
> ---
> DIM unoDate AS NEW com.sun.star.util.Date
> unoDate.Year = Year(Date)
> unoDate.Month = Month(Date)
> unoDate.Day = Day(Date)
> oForm.updateDate(3, unoDate )
> oForm.updateString(4, "ein Text")
> oForm.updateDouble(6, 3.14)
> oForm.updateInt(7, 16)
> oForm.updateRow()
> --
> Updating a date is a bit tricky, because it has to be a special
> variable, which defines day, month and year.
>
> Regards
>
> Robert
>



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Re: [tdf-discuss] Add FB2 to operate

[Joel Madero]

Please report feature requests where they belong:
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/

No one monitors this mailing list for feature requests.


Best,

Joel


On 08/19/2016 08:38 AM, toki wrote:
> Корень Зла wrote:
>
>
>> add to writer this Open Book XML format for operate.Sometimes i need a Epub 
>> and FB2 features in Write
> An extension which exports Write documents to FB2 can be found at
> http://extensions.openoffice.org/en/project/ooo-fbtools.
>
> The LibreOffice Extension site was down, so I don't know if there is one
> that has been customized for LibreOffice.
>
> jonathon
>
>
>


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Re: [tdf-discuss] fulfilling fields

[Joel Madero]

Wrong list - try user list.


On 08/18/2016 08:14 AM, Edmund Laugasson wrote:
> Dear all,
>
> Does anybody know whether it would be possible to continue fulfilling
> fields from particular position in Writer template?
>
> Currently SHIFT+CTRL+F9 starts from beginning. Let's suppose there was
> an interruption and would like to continue fulfilling from the place it
> was interrupted.
>
>
> Thank you,
> Edmund
>
>


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Re: [tdf-discuss] Why is Microsoft allowed to use "OpenDocument"?

[Joel Madero]

Please ask the OASIS team on their mailing list. This is not the place
for this discussion.

Best,
Joel

On 07/07/2016 10:26 PM, Edmund Laugasson wrote:
> Dear all,
>
> There was also court case between Microsoft and UK government -
> http://www.itproportal.com/2015/03/30/microsoft-will-adopt-open-document-standards-following-government-battle/
>
> But it seems that Microsoft does not respect the results of that court
> case - still the incompatibilities exist - how to solve this? Does
> anybody in this list know more about that court case and possibly
> people who are behind that? I would like to investigate that case a
> bit more. I tried to contact with British parliament member but they
> did not respond even I used all honour titles respectfully.
>
> Thank you,
> Edmund Laugasson
>
> 2016-07-07 17:22 GMT+03:00 Joel Madero <jmadero@gmail.com
> <mailto:jmadero@gmail.com>>:
>
>
> > Is this the official statement of the OD-foundation or only yours?
> >
> > You know the GPL? This is a 100%-thing, too. You have to do it
> 100% or
> > your are not allowed.
> Well considering you're asking on a LibreOffice email list and not on
> the OASIS email list - obviously I'm not speaking for OASIS
> ("OD-foundation"). Feel free to email them with your questions as this
> seems like the wrong place for this discussion anyways.
>
>
> Best,
> Joel
>
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Re: [tdf-discuss] Why is Microsoft allowed to use "OpenDocument"?

[Joel Madero]

> Is this the official statement of the OD-foundation or only yours?
>
> You know the GPL? This is a 100%-thing, too. You have to do it 100% or
> your are not allowed.
Well considering you're asking on a LibreOffice email list and not on
the OASIS email list - obviously I'm not speaking for OASIS
("OD-foundation"). Feel free to email them with your questions as this
seems like the wrong place for this discussion anyways.


Best,
Joel

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Why is Microsoft allowed to use "OpenDocument"?

[Joel Madero]

Let me answer this more fully in line.

On 07/06/2016 05:47 AM, c.bu...@posteo.jp wrote:
> I am a software developer and using LibreOffice (LO) on a Linux
> environment. But sometimes I have to deal with Word-users.
> In such a mixed working group I found out that Word doesn't "respect"
> the OpenDocument format.
Yes this is well known. With Microsoft 2010 only ODF1.1 is supported so
if you're saving in ODF1.2 things go awry.
> I am sure you know such problems.
A 30 second google search confirms them ;)
> I want to understand why it is that way?
Pretty straight forward. Microsoft only supports ODF1.1 through
Office2010, I believe with 2013 ODF1.2 is supported but I'm not
positive. Even at that, their support isn't perfect (just like our
support of OOXML isn't perfect). They put their energy into supporting
their own standard.
> I am not so deep in the topic and in the documents about that. But I
> think OpenDocument is a well documented and specified standard.
> Right?
It's documented...as far as how well, I'm not the one to answer that. I
know that there are lots of things that aren't actually adopted yet that
OOXML currently supports that the ODT committee has not adopted an
equivalent for.
>
> As I described I observed that Word doesn't fit to that standard. But
> Word lie to the user and offer to open and save OpenDocument files.
I suggest reporting bugs to Microsoft when issues come up.
>
> Of course I know why Microsoft software behave like that - destroying
> open and free standards.
:-b I won't comment here as it's beyond my knowledge.
>
> The question is why is Microsoft allowed to use "OpenDocument" that way?
Open standard we want everyone using it, even if not perfectly.
>
> Isn't there a juristic way to restrict that?
No and even if there was, we wouldn't want that. Then it becomes two
proprietary standards. Like I said, we want all office suites to adopt
ODT and get past the "this is my standard and you can't use it" mentality.

Best,
Joel


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Re: [tdf-discuss] Why is Microsoft allowed to use "OpenDocument"?

[Joel Madero]

No. The standard is open and thus is encouraged to be adopted by all.


Best,
Joel

On 07/06/2016 05:47 AM, c.bu...@posteo.jp wrote:
> I am a software developer and using LibreOffice (LO) on a Linux
> environment. But sometimes I have to deal with Word-users.
> In such a mixed working group I found out that Word doesn't "respect"
> the OpenDocument format.
>
> I had a very(!) simple ODT file created with LO. Only text and headings
> created with style sheets (german: "Formatvorlage").
> Open and re-save that file with word "destroy" the structure of the
> style sheets and something more. e.g. "heading 1-3" becomes just
> "heading".
>
> I am sure you know such problems.
>
> I want to understand why it is that way?
>
> I am not so deep in the topic and in the documents about that. But I
> think OpenDocument is a well documented and specified standard.
> Right?
>
> As I described I observed that Word doesn't fit to that standard. But
> Word lie to the user and offer to open and save OpenDocument files.
>
> Of course I know why Microsoft software behave like that - destroying
> open and free standards.
>
> The question is why is Microsoft allowed to use "OpenDocument" that way?
>
> Isn't there a juristic way to restrict that?
>
> And is the OD-standard really so wishy-washy that the behaviour I
> described is fitted by the standard?
>


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Re: [tdf-discuss] open cl debian

[Joel Madero]

This is the wrong list. Please email the user support list. This is for
TDF news. Thanks!

On 07/01/2016 12:05 AM, Fulano Diego Perez wrote:
> which additoinal packages/settings are required to enable open cl
> support for libreoffice in debian/linux?
>
> diff between windows/linux shows open cl in use from help-about
>
> i try in linux with a discrete nvidia driver
>
> nothing listed in help
>


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Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: An "Unicode Editor"

[Joel Madero]

Hi Samiur

Please stop spamming. This is the wrong place for this discussion - bug
reports or enhancements should go to bugs.libreoffice.org and user
question should go to the user mailing threat. As far as "should be" -
doers decide what should or should not be but they are welcoming to
suggestions. Your suggestion for the toolbar should go to the UX mailing
list.

Best,
Joel

On 06/29/2016 12:57 PM, Samiur Rahman wrote:
> The boxes should say "Select unicode range" and "Select unicode font"
>
> On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 3:50 PM, Samiur Rahman  wrote:
>
>> After you've selected mode, there should be a box that asks you to select
>> an unicode range, and then another box should ask to select from an number
>> of unicode fonts
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 3:48 PM, Samiur Rahman  wrote:
>>
>>> There should be an option on the toolbar that asks you to select mode,
>>> and you can select from "type" and "unicode."
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 3:45 PM, Samiur Rahman 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Libreoffice should come with all free unicode fonts.

 On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 3:44 PM, Samiur Rahman 
 wrote:

> Actually, Liboffice apps can offer a choice between "type mode" and
> "unicode mode."
>
> On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 3:36 PM, Samiur Rahman 
> wrote:
>
>> We need an "Unicode Editor." It will allow you to select a certain
>> unicode range, such as a specific language or script, and then choose 
>> from
>> a number of fonts that support that range, or give the opportunity to
>> download or buy a font that supports that range.
>>
>>


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Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: new fonts

[Joel Madero]

Hi,

Wrong list. Please email the user list where you can get user support. 
This is made for TDF related discussions.


Thanks!

Best,

Joel


On 6/1/2016 1:16 PM, amagagia wrote:

I have windows 10 operating system, I downloaded new fonts (TT) from the
internet
installed them, but they don't appear in the list of Libre office. can
someone help me
please?



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Re: [tdf-discuss] Released LibreOffice For Dummies v2

[Joel Madero]

On 05/16/2016 05:17 AM, Klaibson Ribeiro wrote:
>
> Good Morning
>
> I thought the translation of LibreOffice For Dummies, which will
> change its name to LibreOffice For Beginners using this professional,
> https://www.fiverr.com/ueritom that is highly requested by companies
> around the world to translate their materials from English into
> Portuguese and vice versa and has good skills in their jobs.
Nice!
>
> I talked to him and showed him the best material, he told me he would
> leave a $ 1500.00, and it has to update the prints and also has other
> technical aspects.
That's an incredible deal :)
>
> I did not think to translate to all languages but only into English,
> as this helps in the translation of communities in other countries,
> because English is a universal language.
Sad but true :-b Sometimes I feel spoiled being a native English speaker.
>
> I will apply for a grant for the TDF and put to vote, to see if the
> committee approves or not my request.

Sounds fantastic. Please keep us in the loop :)


Best,
Joel

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Released LibreOffice For Dummies v2

[Joel Madero]

Hi Klaibson,

Well that's a really low amount - I'd first question whether someone
would dedicate hundreds of hours (or thousands) for such a small amount
of money. In particular, if you're thinking of having it translated into
multiple languages where each individual translator might get a couple
hundred dollars (I've been quoted as much as $100/hr to professionally
translate work in the past).

I still think it'd be an uphill battle to get funding.

Here's an additional option:
https://www.documentfoundation.org/foundation/grant-request/

You can request a grant to fund translation. I'd suggest first talking
to people about the real cost of translating (what they would
contractually commit themselves to). Then you can write up a grant and
say you already have someone lined up to translate the material and the
cost that they quote. I think that this might be more feasible than
doing crowdfunding.


Warmest Regards,
Joel


On 05/12/2016 11:50 AM, Klaibson Ribeiro wrote:
>
> Hi.
>
> My idea is crowdfunding internacional of cost US$ 1000,00 about.
>
> This would  facilitate the translate the ebook other languages, as
> french, spanish, etc.
>
> About the name "LibreOffice For Dummies", change the name for
> "LibreOffice for Bennigers".
>
> Want know your opinion about viability.
>
> Good week.
>
>
> A 12.05.2016 14:22, Joel Madero escreveu:
>> As a side note - I'd be VERY careful about using that name when
>> translating it to English. The reason of course being the fact that "for
>> Dummies" is a copyrighted franchise in the US.
>>
>> On the issue of whether you'll get crowdfunding - IMHO probably not. I
>> have seen a couple dozen people attempt to do crowd funding for
>> different things within the project and they have only succeeded once or
>> twice (to fix a bug). But, if you're willing to put in the effort, of
>> course it could work out really well ;) Hard to predict the future.
>>
>>
>> Best,
>> Joel
>>
>> On 05/12/2016 08:29 AM, Klaibson Ribeiro wrote:
>>>
>>> Good afternoon.
>>>
>>> I had an idea, a good friend of mine works with translations into
>>> English. If existesse one Crowdfunding or some funding from abroad,
>>> believe it would be possible this translation.
>>>
>>> Do you think that would be feasible?
>>>
>>> Good week.
>>>
>>> A 12.05.2016 11:37, Klaibson Ribeiro escreveu:
>>>> Hello Richard.
>>>>
>>>> Very thanks, Richard.
>>>>
>>>> Unfortunately only  in portuguese of Brazil.
>>>>
>>>> Good week.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> A 12.05.2016 00:31, Richard escreveu:
>>>>> Thanks for your hard work.
>>>>> I'll save it until my PT_br is better.
>>>>>
>>>>> Be happy to proofread the English version when it's ready.
>>>>>
>>>>> saludos, Richard.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, May 11, 2016 at 8:07 PM, Klaibson Ribeiro
>>>>> <klaib...@libreoffice.org>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks for the tip.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Good week.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A 10.05.2016 20:37, Tim---Kracked_P_P---webmaster escreveu:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Did you try to use Lulu.com for the printed versions?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have bought many books from there to have a physical copies of
>>>>>>> freely downloaded PDF book files.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 05/10/2016 02:37 PM, Klaibson Ribeiro wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Good Afternoon.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> After five years, he came out the second version of LibreOffice
>>>>>>>> For
>>>>>>>> Dummies, in 2015, launched a Crownfunding campaign to leverage
>>>>>>>> resources
>>>>>>>> for printing of this book, but to no success, I decided to leave
>>>>>>>> it in
>>>>>>>> digital format.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The first version of the ebook had ample success, with over 11,000
>>>>>>>> downloads recorded to the MegaUpload off the air in 2012 and many
>>>

Re: [tdf-discuss] Released LibreOffice For Dummies v2

[Joel Madero]

As a side note - I'd be VERY careful about using that name when
translating it to English. The reason of course being the fact that "for
Dummies" is a copyrighted franchise in the US.

On the issue of whether you'll get crowdfunding - IMHO probably not. I
have seen a couple dozen people attempt to do crowd funding for
different things within the project and they have only succeeded once or
twice (to fix a bug). But, if you're willing to put in the effort, of
course it could work out really well ;) Hard to predict the future.


Best,
Joel

On 05/12/2016 08:29 AM, Klaibson Ribeiro wrote:
>
> Good afternoon.
>
> I had an idea, a good friend of mine works with translations into
> English. If existesse one Crowdfunding or some funding from abroad,
> believe it would be possible this translation.
>
> Do you think that would be feasible?
>
> Good week.
>
> A 12.05.2016 11:37, Klaibson Ribeiro escreveu:
>> Hello Richard.
>>
>> Very thanks, Richard.
>>
>> Unfortunately only  in portuguese of Brazil.
>>
>> Good week.
>>
>>
>>
>> A 12.05.2016 00:31, Richard escreveu:
>>> Thanks for your hard work.
>>> I'll save it until my PT_br is better.
>>>
>>> Be happy to proofread the English version when it's ready.
>>>
>>> saludos, Richard.
>>>
>>> On Wed, May 11, 2016 at 8:07 PM, Klaibson Ribeiro
>>> 
>>> wrote:
>>>

 Hi.

 Thanks for the tip.

 Good week.

 A 10.05.2016 20:37, Tim---Kracked_P_P---webmaster escreveu:

> Did you try to use Lulu.com for the printed versions?
>
> I have bought many books from there to have a physical copies of
> freely downloaded PDF book files.
>
>
>
> On 05/10/2016 02:37 PM, Klaibson Ribeiro wrote:
>
>>
>> Good Afternoon.
>>
>> After five years, he came out the second version of LibreOffice For
>> Dummies, in 2015, launched a Crownfunding campaign to leverage
>> resources
>> for printing of this book, but to no success, I decided to leave
>> it in
>> digital format.
>>
>> The first version of the ebook had ample success, with over 11,000
>> downloads recorded to the MegaUpload off the air in 2012 and many
>> other
>> copies distributed throughout Brazil, without the need to download.
>>
>> In this version, and remove any reference to the extinct
>> BrOffice.Org,
>> because at the time I was writing this book were in transition
>> period,
>> updated all prints also been updated installation ways on Linux
>> and Windows
>> and in addition bonus of how to install LibreOffice on Mac OS.
>>
>> This update comes at a good time, while Brazil is in crisis and
>> thousands of companies, having to renew their licenses and need
>> to reduce
>> costs, certainly will opt for the use of LibreOffice.
>>
>> Download for details can be found in
>> http://www.mediafire.com/download/7854002z2t5ymez/LibreOffice+Para+Leigosv2.pdf
>>
>>
>> Good week.
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Re: [tdf-discuss] OOXML ECMA-376, transitionnal and strict

[Joel Madero]

>> If you are promoting LO because it provides better interoperability,
>> shouldn't they be configured as equivalents? You could even prompt users
>> on save. Would this break something?
> I do not know, as I am not a developer. I have configured my instance of
> LibreOffice to replace Calibri and Cambria with Carlito and Caladea
> (there is a replacement table in Options > LibreOffice > Fonts). I will
> ask developers is this specific replacement, given the pervasiveness of
> Calibri and Cambria, can be set as a pre-defined option.
IMHO this isn't a good thing. Lots of people expect that LibreOffice
would just use the font that is installed. So, for those users using
LibreOffice in Windows or in OSX who have access to the MSO fonts, would
definitely expect that opening a document that someone else sends your
way open with the correct fonts applied.

We already have enough issues with interoperability with MS Office -
going out of our way to add yet another (a replacement font even if you
have the correct font installed presumably legally) seems like asking
for trouble.

Maybe I'm misunderstanding the replacement table but if it's "replace,
even if font is installed" - I'm no fan.


Best,
Joel

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Java still broke on LibreOffice 5.1.1

[Joel Madero]

In shortno.

On 03/11/2016 03:49 PM, Larry Gusaas wrote:
> On 2016-03-11, 5:32 PM Joel Madero wrote:
>> Please take this off discuss@ list, it belongs at best on dev list, QA
>> list, or user listdiscuss list isn't the appropriate place.
> Why???
> I am not a developer and don't follow that list.
> I am not asking for help.
>
> I am reporting a problem with the usability of your product on one of
> the platforms you build it for. The developers broke that function.
> There are bug reports and previous discussions about it on various list.
>
> Shouldn't Discuss list be an appropriate place to discuss problems
> with the usability of the product on specific platforms and the
> impression a broken product will leave on the users of LibreOffice,
> and the likelihood of their continuing to use it or to recommend it to
> others.
>


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Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Java still broke on LibreOffice 5.1.1

[Joel Madero]

Please take this off discuss@ list, it belongs at best on dev list, QA
list, or user listdiscuss list isn't the appropriate place.

You can also report a bug (no clue if you did), it will get closed as
NOTOURBUG if it's not our bug.

Thanks.


Best,
Joel

On 03/11/2016 03:22 PM, Larry Gusaas wrote:
>
>
> On 2016-03-11, 4:11 PM Tanstaafl wrote:
>> On 3/11/2016 4:19 PM, Larry Gusaas  wrote:
>>
>> On 3/11/2016 4:19 PM, Larry Gusaas  wrote:
>>> No. It is a LibreOffice bug. You broke the usability of LibreOffice
>>> on Macs with your code change.
>> *I* broke it? Sorry Larry I'm just a user like you.
>
> It's obvious that "you" on a product mailing list refers to the
> LibreOffice developers.Quit being pedantic.
>
>>> It worked before.
>> Past performance is no guarantee of future performance.
>>
>> Libreoffice *fixed* a bug that brought to light a Mac bug.
>
> No. LibreOffice broke it's usability on OS X. If it makes a product
> for OS X it should work for OS X as it currently exists.
> It did not bring to light a Mac bug. The requirement for the older
> Apple developed version of Java to be installed has been known for
> several years and is mentioned in the installation notes.
>
> By the way, the bug is in Java. The installation of the old Apple Java
> is the long-known workaround. The current version broke that
> functionality.
>
>> Deal with it.
>
> Yeah. Mac users will deal with it. They'll quit using LibreOffice.
>
>> It isn't Libreoffice's responsibility to 'work around' everyone
>> else's bugs.
>
> It is LibreOffice's responsibility to make their product work on the
> platforms they make it for.
>
>>
>>> Any new user of LibreOffice on Macs will find out the database
>>> doesn't work.
>> No - they will find that a *few* features/functions won't work.
>>
>> The reality is *most* will never know it.
>
> The lack of Java also affects some extensions .
> That is no excuse for making software that doesn't work
>
>>> It is not Apples's responsibility to make your software usable
>> There is a *bug* in Apple's provided JRE package that has been there for
>> a very long time.
>>
>> The Libreoffice devs finally decided to make a change to their code that
>> stops 'working around' Apple's long standing bug (at least thats how I
>> read the comments)...
>
> Actually, it's a bug in Java. You obviously didn't do a lot of
> research. Are you a Mac user?
>
>> There is a simple workaround that *you* can employ - install the JDK -
>> until Apple fixes *their* JRE package bug.
>
> And that fact is not mentioned in the installation instructions or in
> the release note. And until the release of 5.1 there was no need to
> install the JDK. And, unless you are a developer, there is no other
> need for it. Besides, it takes up a lot more disk space on your computer.
>
> I have my own workaround. Use a different product.
>
> This bug will create a very negative impression of LibreOffice among
> Mac users. That is why I keep reiterating that LibreOffice needs to
> fix the problem
>
> Obviously you don't care about Mac users.
>


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Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Java still broke on LibreOffice 5.1.1

[Joel Madero]

>
>
> Why? Change in LibreOffice code broke it. Nothing to do with Apple.
>
Proof? Maybe we fixed something that just triggered a bug already in
Javado you have some objective proof that this is our bug?


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Re: [tdf-discuss] New Icons in 5.1.1.2

[Joel Madero]

Wrong list for user questions (user mailing list is for that). But I'll
answer anyways :)

Tools -> Options -> View


Best,
Joel

On 03/02/2016 06:47 PM, roymilner2001 wrote:
> Hi all,
> I'm not a big fan of the new icons in the toolbars for 5.1.1.2. Is there a
> way to keep the old ones?
>
>
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Re: [board-discuss] Questions for the candidates to the board of directors of the Document Foundation

[Joel Madero]

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On 11/28/2015 09:57 AM, toki wrote:
> 
> 
> On 02/11/2015 16:38, Charles-H. Schulz wrote:
> 
>> 1. Do you commit yourself to have enough time and the necessary
>> technological tools in order to participate to the regularly schedule
d
>> board calls?
> 
> Can you be more specific with what you mean by "necessary technologica
l
> tools"?
> 
> By way of example, one organization that has been trying to recruit me
> for years, uses software that is only available for Windows 7, for the
ir
> board meetings. (Software that doesn't run under WINE.)

We use phone and Google Hangouts for our meetings - some people don't
use Google products so they just call in to the conference line with a
phone which is perfectly fine. Then computer access is usually required
to see live minutes (not OS specific). We currently use Google Docs for
a few things due to the live collaboration/viewing but hopefully will be
able to move to LibreOffice Online at some point next year.

That's the technology that comes to my mind that would be required to
actively participate in board calls.

Best,
Joel

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Re: [board-discuss] Questions for the candidates to the board of directors of the Document Foundation

[Joel Madero]

Hi All,

> Dear candidates to the board of directors of the Document Foundation,
> 
> I would first like to thank you for running as candidates for the board
> of directors. At this time, not every candidate has declared his or her
> candidacy. However, I would like to ask a few questions about your views
> and intentions regarding the Document Foundation and your plans as
> potential directors of the entity. I hope they will be helpful in
> englightening our membership and hopefully, all of you will be able to
> answer them.
> 
> 1. Do you commit yourself to have enough time and the necessary
> technological tools in order to participate to the regularly scheduled
> board calls?

Yes. In all transparency members should know that I very likely will not
be at LiboCon 2016 due to work obligations. Looking at my record this
term (minutes) you can see that I was very consistent with attending
meetings and was always an active participant.
> 
> 
> 2. Do you commit yourself to follow up and work on (at least) the main
> items and actions you have volunteered to oversee or that have been
> attributed to you by the board?

Yes
> 3. What are your views on the foundation's budget? How should the money
> be spent, besides our fixed costs?

Our budget should be used to assist the "doers" of the project. This
means investing in the tools, travel, and other things needed by those
who want to contribute to LibreOffice. I believe in our new grant
program where individuals can request funds and hope that it will gain
wider recognition over the next term. Finally, I believe that paying for
team mentors is a wise use of funds in some cases, although I much
prefer volunteers being given as much responsibility as they are
able/willing to take on.

> 4. Should we work towards broadening our pool of contributors, both
> technical and non-technical?

Yes.


> 5. Should the Foundation -as an entity distinct from the LibreOffice
> project or the Document Liberation project- engage into growing its
> influence and promoting and defending Free Software and Digital Freedom?
> It is, after all, an integral part of its mission per its very Statutes.
> If yes, do you have ideas on what should be done about this?

Yes. As others have said, I agree that the most important thing we can
do is continue to put out a great product that uses open standards and
is built on open principles. I think that there is room to continue
improving our place in public entities and that this will be
tremendously advantageous for Free Software and Digital Freedom.
Furthermore, I think that the Document Liberation Project fits well
within our mission and answers this question as well.

Outside of our project I think that others are in a much better position
(and have much more specific statutes/missions) to defend FSDF. If those
organizations reach out to us to support a particular stance, I'm more
than happy to review and give a +1 where appropriate. I believe that
generally our donors donate money to be used on maintaining our core
software and the communities surrounding that software.

> 6. How do you view your (potential) role as a member of the board of
> directors, given that this position does not give you any specific
> functional role inside the LibreOffice or Document Liberation projects?


My primary job on the board (and what makes the Board distinct from any
other position, whether volunteer or paid) is to oversee that our funds
are used in a responsible manner. For me this goes back to a principle
previously said, to remove barriers for the "doers" to do and to provide
tools for those same people to do the incredible work that they
accomplish daily. Finally, this also means that we are responsible for
balancing a lot of demands on our budget.

Outside of this primary job, I currently, and anticipate it would be a
similar situation if elected again, oversee several teams within the
project. Overseeing does not mean dictating, or even actively getting
involved (although I am very involved with QA still to this day), it
means instead, making sure that the teams have what they need to succeed.


> 7. What is the biggest problem of the foundation in your opinion? What
> is its biggest opportunity?

I wouldn't call it a problem but I'd say that the largest challenge has
been explaining some decisions to the wider community. I believe this is
entirely normal for any organization as Boards are responsible for
making some important decisions (sometimes based on difficult choices)
and we can't just say yes to everything.

The way to resolve this is to encourage more people to join
board-discuss and actively ask questions, to join the public board call
(no one does which makes me sad as it's really a great time to interact
with the Board and ask questions) and lastly, to blog a bit more after
decisions are made.


Best,
Joel

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[board-discuss] Re: Candidacy

[Joel Madero]

I suppose I forgot the 75 word candidate statement:

"I view the job of the Board of Directors as one of creating an
ecosystem where those who want to get work done are given the chance to
do so. I believe the Board should remove barriers and invest in tools
that will help the ecosystem thrive. I believe that each one of our
contributors should be respected. Finally, I believe in transparency in
the decisions we make, and always encouraging member feedback."

Best,
Joel

P.S. I am currently swamped but will be addressing the questions posted
by Charles as soon as possibly - likely some time next week.


On 11/24/2015 11:33 AM, Joel Madero wrote:
> Dear Members,
> 
> I have been honored to serve nearly two years as a Director of TDF and
> will be seeking another two year term.
> 
> I've been a volunteer for the project since late 2011, early 2012. I
> began my journey into the project as a relatively early member of the
> Quality Assurance team. There I found a home and colleagues who embraced
> me, showed me the ropes, and encouraged me to take on more
> responsibility within the project as time passed. Due to this
> encouragement and camaraderie, I see it as my responsibility to pass on
> the skills that I've learned, to encourage others to take on more
> responsibility, and to encourage an overall community feeling. In the
> early days of Quality Assurance I remember a number of very talented
> individuals largely working individually - today we have a thriving
> community, a busy chat, and a friendly environment for new comers with
> any background.
> 
> Today, as a member of the BoD, much of my time goes to oversight of
> multiple projects (QA, Marketing, Documentation, Certification) but I
> still try to find time to work within QA and make sure that I'm giving
> my time where it is needed most. As a member of the Board I was quite
> involved in the Android tender which led to the release of the Android
> based editor, encouraged and was involved with hiring a Quality
> Assurance Contractor, involved in several other tenders, the new grant
> request available to members to request funds from the Foundation, and a
> list of other things.
> 
> My main mission is to create an environment where contributors thrive.
> It's that simple. I believe in funding tools that are requested, in
> encouraging and actively participating in our community to ensure that
> new comers feel welcome, and in thinking about "how can we do better."
> 
> I am unaffiliated, that is, I do not work for a company doing business
> on or around LibreOffice. In fact, I think I bring a unique perspective
> as I have no formal background in software at all, nor do I work in the
> industry. Instead, my background is in US Law, I will be taking the
> California BAR exam next July and will be a practicing attorney
> (crossing fingers) by August of next year. Given my background (both my
> location and my professional expertise) and my proven dedication over
> the years to building a strong community, I believe I am in a good
> position to continue representing the interest of you (our wonderful
> members).
> 
> My goals moving forward:
> + Continue to help QA as much as feasible;
> 
> + I would like to get more involved with Documentation, to help the
> process of building long term goals and listen for feedback about what
> tools would help move us forward;
> 
> + Education - I'd like to see some movement in education, in particular
> in the United States, for getting fresh blood in the project. I've said
> this publicly before but I do believe that there is a big opportunity to
> build a community within higher ed in the US;
> 
> + UX - I've been thrilled to see the UX/Design team make huge strides,
> I'll be reaching out to their team asking them how the BoD can continue
> what those "doers" have been doing over the past few months;
> 
> + Blog/Transparency: This has been an ongoing issue with myself and
> unfortunately, I did not get there this year. I hope to write more blogs
> and help members approach the BoD with questions/concerns/etc... with
> regards to transparency and decision making generally.
> 
> I'm happy to field questions if any of you have some. I can be contacted
> at this email or on IRC at #libreoffice-qa (jmadero).
> 
> 
> Warmest Regards,
> Joel Madero
> 

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[board-discuss] Candidacy

[Joel Madero]

Dear Members,

I have been honored to serve nearly two years as a Director of TDF and
will be seeking another two year term.

I've been a volunteer for the project since late 2011, early 2012. I
began my journey into the project as a relatively early member of the
Quality Assurance team. There I found a home and colleagues who embraced
me, showed me the ropes, and encouraged me to take on more
responsibility within the project as time passed. Due to this
encouragement and camaraderie, I see it as my responsibility to pass on
the skills that I've learned, to encourage others to take on more
responsibility, and to encourage an overall community feeling. In the
early days of Quality Assurance I remember a number of very talented
individuals largely working individually - today we have a thriving
community, a busy chat, and a friendly environment for new comers with
any background.

Today, as a member of the BoD, much of my time goes to oversight of
multiple projects (QA, Marketing, Documentation, Certification) but I
still try to find time to work within QA and make sure that I'm giving
my time where it is needed most. As a member of the Board I was quite
involved in the Android tender which led to the release of the Android
based editor, encouraged and was involved with hiring a Quality
Assurance Contractor, involved in several other tenders, the new grant
request available to members to request funds from the Foundation, and a
list of other things.

My main mission is to create an environment where contributors thrive.
It's that simple. I believe in funding tools that are requested, in
encouraging and actively participating in our community to ensure that
new comers feel welcome, and in thinking about "how can we do better."

I am unaffiliated, that is, I do not work for a company doing business
on or around LibreOffice. In fact, I think I bring a unique perspective
as I have no formal background in software at all, nor do I work in the
industry. Instead, my background is in US Law, I will be taking the
California BAR exam next July and will be a practicing attorney
(crossing fingers) by August of next year. Given my background (both my
location and my professional expertise) and my proven dedication over
the years to building a strong community, I believe I am in a good
position to continue representing the interest of you (our wonderful
members).

My goals moving forward:
+ Continue to help QA as much as feasible;

+ I would like to get more involved with Documentation, to help the
process of building long term goals and listen for feedback about what
tools would help move us forward;

+ Education - I'd like to see some movement in education, in particular
in the United States, for getting fresh blood in the project. I've said
this publicly before but I do believe that there is a big opportunity to
build a community within higher ed in the US;

+ UX - I've been thrilled to see the UX/Design team make huge strides,
I'll be reaching out to their team asking them how the BoD can continue
what those "doers" have been doing over the past few months;

+ Blog/Transparency: This has been an ongoing issue with myself and
unfortunately, I did not get there this year. I hope to write more blogs
and help members approach the BoD with questions/concerns/etc... with
regards to transparency and decision making generally.

I'm happy to field questions if any of you have some. I can be contacted
at this email or on IRC at #libreoffice-qa (jmadero).


Warmest Regards,
Joel Madero

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Re: [board-discuss] Invitation to formal in-person board meeting 2015

[Joel Madero]

Hi All,
 Dear colleagues,

 per § 9 I of our statutes [1], the Board of Directors is required to
 have one formal meeting per year, with both the invitation issued and
 the agenda fixed no later than two weeks in advance.

 I hereby, in my role as Chairman of The Document Foundation,
 officially invite the Board of Directors as well as its deputies to a
 formal meeting on

  Saturday, September 26th,
  at 08:00 UTC (i.e. 10:00 local time, UTC+2/CEST)
  during the LibreOffice Conference 2015
I may try to make this via phone if that's okay. It'll be late Friday night but 
if possible I'd like to call in.

Best,
Joel

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Re: [VOTE] Re: [board-discuss] Grant request: LibreOffice project dashboard/All about LibreOffice

[Joel Madero]

On 08/10/2015 02:57 AM, Thorsten Behrens wrote:
 Florian Effenberger wrote:
 we have received feedback from Thorsten in his mail at 
 http://www.mail-archive.com/board-discuss@documentfoundation.org/msg03428.html,
 which Björn seems to be fine with.

 With these changes, I'd like to call the board for a vote on the below item,
 so we can proceed and add it to the budget accordingly.

 +1 to the modified proposal.

I'm still a little confused as to why this is happening through the
grant request process instead of the budgeting process - I read the
thread thrice and wasn't clear on an answer but...none the less.

+1.

Best,
Joel

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[tdf-discuss] VPS2 Semester of Code - Interest?

[Joel Madero]

Hi All,

http://vps2.semesterofcode.com/
https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?A2=ind1412L=vals-socF=S=P=54

We have until January 15th if there is interest to do this. Anyone have
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take on a student or two?


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[tdf-discuss] VPS2 Semester of Code - Interest?

[Joel Madero]

Hi All,

http://vps2.semesterofcode.com/
https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?A2=ind1412L=vals-socF=S=P=54

We have until January 15th if there is interest to do this. Anyone have
the bandwidth to go through the process and any mentors available to
take on a student or two?


Best,
Joel


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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [tdf-discuss] Intervention

[Joel Madero]

On 08/11/2014 05:06 AM, Owen Genat wrote:

jean-christophe manciot wrote

3) It is not always possible for the bug reporters to hand over their
original file(s), for many different reasons that are beyond the scope
of this thread (confidentiality, legal concerns and so on...).

I do not consider these reasons beyond the scope of this thread as most
documents can be effectively redacted using a few simple measures. This is
actually an important discussion. I understand that sometimes redaction is
not an option and in these instances other options are required.


jmadero wrote

It's up to a user to report with clear steps and a simple test document -
else it's just a
waste of our time.

Joel, would it be worth having some step-by-step instructions on a wiki page
somewhere to assist users with the process of redacting their documents?
Usually a simple search / replace regular expression is enough for most
documents. A list of some before / after examples may also be helpful. I
have assisted users with this before on the alternate user forum. It is not
going to help in every instance, but even if it inproved a small percentage
it may be worth it.
For some reason I thought Robinson might have already done this. But if 
not - sure, someone can go ahead and add it to how to report a bug 
wiki. Wiki is open for everyone to fiddle with and this surely would be 
good advice.


Best,
Joel


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[board-discuss] US Hackfest Funding

[Joel Madero]

==
Request: Fund a LibreOffice US Hackfest in Boston in July, with a total
budget of 7.500 €

The Board of Directors at the time of voting consists of 7 seat holders
without deputies. In order to be quorate, the vote needs to have 1/2 of
the Board of Directors members, which gives 4.

A total of 7 Board of Directors members have participated in the vote.
The vote is quorate.

A quorum could be reached with a simple majority of 4 votes.

Result of vote: 7 approvals, 0 neutral, 0 disapprovals.
Decision: The request has been accepted.

This message is to be archived by the BoD members and their deputies.
==

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Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [tdf-discuss] Intervention

[Joel Madero]

I also replied to this off list. We are consistent and that's good ;)
Ultimately, we're not going to change our workflow. It's up to a user to
report with clear steps and a simple test document - else it's just a
waste of our time. Glad we all think alike :-D


Best,
Joel

On 07/14/2014 05:38 PM, Jay Philips wrote:
 Hi All,

 I have found that asking for a document is the best way to get closest
 to what the user is experiencing and what they are writing the bug for.
 If they report the bug on windows, i load up windows to confirm it and
 then also check if its on linux as well. Sometimes the steps to
 reproduce are easy enough to follow, but not every one of us are experts
 in the bugs we triage, so having an example file to begin the process of
 triaging saves quite alot of time. Users i've been dealing with have
 been quite happy to provide an example file, while a very few have asked
 that the file be kept confidential. Here is an example bug with steps to
 reproduce i triaged today [81292].

 

 Problem description:
 I have a table first column alpha-numeric,crashes when sorting is ask.
 Steps to reproduce:
 1. Load table,
 2. select table
 3. sort

 Current behavior: crash

 Expected behavior: alpha-numeric sorting

 

 From this example, should i waste time that i could be spending triaging
 other bugs to create a table full of values in order to sort the table.
 It could be possible that some small feature within the table he is
 sorting is causing the crash, that i could never reproduce because i
 dont have his file. In the user's most recent comment, he states that if
 he deletes the text from the last column, it wont crash. No way i could
 reproduce such a thing if i created an example file myself.

 I just submitted a bug today [81351] that crashes calc from as early as
 3.6, simply by undo-ing a sort. It is possible that this may not have
 happened with another file, so i submitted the one i was working on, in
 order to speed up triaging and hopefully fixing. We have ~1k bugs to
 still triage and the quicker we are able to triage a bug, the faster we
 can confirm/close it and move on to the next one.

 Just my two cents. ;)

 Regards,
 Jay Philips

 On 07/15/2014 01:48 AM, bfoman wrote:
 Hi!
 From my experience asking for an example file is the best way to triage for
 following reasons:
 - saves time - you can download the attachment and check it in different
 builds right away - important with current backlog in Unconfirmed bugs
 - reproducible case - sometimes when you follow the STRs and create document
 from scratch the bug can be gone.
 Users' files can have their history - be created in different build, envs,
 corrupted etc. So asking for a file is a best way to receive verified test
 case.
 - involve the reporter - some people tend to use Bugzilla as file and forget
 system. Needinfo stats tell a story...
 Bug reports with attachments are more interesting than those without them.
 Some reporters do even screencasts or special STR graphics to help the
 triagers. IMHO there is no need to panic that most triagers ask for them. 
 Overall I think this is a good policy and reporters should be educated how
 good bug report should look like. 
 If a reporter cannot spend few minutes to attach a file or make a
 confidential one into a public document (by search and replace strings - if
 that makes bug still reproducible), then how can he demand a fix? This
 cannot be made without a reproducible test case.
 BTW: Mr Manciot is active in Wireshark Bugzilla, so should be accustomed
 that good bug report needs attachment. LO needs users' files as much as
 Wireshark example frame captures... 
 Best regards.
 P.S.
 As for bugs closed as Invalid or Worksforme - there are defined QA documents
 which describe how this process should look like. See
 https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/BugTriage or
 https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/BugReport. Most triagers respect
 them, but those rules are, well, more guidance than a strict policy.
 LibreOffice is powered by a team of volunteers, every bug is confirmed
 (triaged) by human beings who mostly give their time for free. Some people
 see things from different perspective and don't like to babysit stagnant
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Re: [board-discuss] Vote on changed rules of procedure

[Joel Madero]

+1 from my side.


Best,
Joel

On 07/11/2014 03:05 AM, Eliane Domingos de Sousa wrote:
 Hello Florian, all,

 +1. Andreas, thanks a lot.

 Best,
 Eliane Domingos de Sousa, Deputy Chairman of the Board
 Tel: +55 21 2509-1609 | Mobile: +55 21 9 9837-6149
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 LibreOffice é a súite office livre que mais cresce no mundo. Baixe já: 
 http://pt-br.libreoffice.org
 Em 11-07-2014 05:30, Florian Effenberger escreveu:
 Hello,

 based on an offlist discussion, I hereby propose the board to vote on
 changing the rules of procedure.

 § 3, the internal delegation of responsibilites, should be adapted.
 Andreas Mantke, so far listed for contracts, taxes, legal
 compliance, trademarks and brands, currently lacks time for this
 area, and therefore wants to be removed from this particular item.

 I personally would like to thank him for his hard and good work on
 this topic, which - knowing from my own experiences - can be quite
 tedious and hard at times.

 So far, no other takers have shown up, so unless one board member or
 deputy shows up in this thread and takes over responsibility, the
 proposal is to rephrase § 3 as follows:

 ==
 §3. Internal delegation of responsibilities - Internally, the board
 has decided on the following split of responsibilities:

 employees: Andreas Mantke, Thorsten Behrens
 infrastructure: Andreas Mantke, Norbert Thiebaud
 QA: Joel Madero, Eliane Domingos de Sousa
 documentation: Eliane Domingos de Sousa
 native language projects, translation, marketing, non-English QA
 activities etc: Fridrich Štrba, Adam Fyne
 certifications and other business development activities: Eliane
 Domingos de Sousa, Joel Madero
 development: Björn Michaelsen, Eike Rathke
 license: Michael Meeks, Fridrich Štrba
 releases including schedules: Michael Meeks, Björn Michaelsen
 events: Björn Michaelsen, Fridrich Štrba
 affiliations, e.g. advisory board, peer foundations, politics:
 Michael Meeks, Andreas Mantke, Björn Michaelsen
 marketing, communication  design: Eliane Domingos de Sousa, Adam
 Fyne
 assets, finance: Thorsten Behrens, Norbert Thiebaud
 contracts, taxes, legal compliance, trademarks and brands:
 Thorsten Behrens
 ==

 For comparison, the current effective version of the rules of
 procedure is available at
 https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/TDF/BoD_rules

 Florian

Re: [board-discuss] vote on travel policy changes

[Joel Madero]

Hi All,

On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 12:00:10PM +0200, Florian Effenberger wrote:

as a follow-up to the previous discussion, I'd like to ask the board
to vote on changes to our travel policy. I actually have two
requests, and ask to vote on them together.

+1 for both.


Thanks!


Warm Regards,
Joel

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Re: [board-discuss] proposal for travel policy changes

[Joel Madero]

Hi,

Hi,

Joel Madero wrote on 2014-04-08 21:42:

Looks great - just one question send in a short written report. Where
would this be sent to? Public/Private/Personal email? Else it looks
great. Maybe a couple examples of what we're looking for would be nice.


I hid that in with their request :-) The idea is they send the 
request and the report to treasurer@ - maybe I should emphasize that a 
bit more?
Ah I see (but I didn't see before :) ). I don't think it'd hurt to be a 
bit more explicit but all in all, I'm sure people will figure it out 
either way :) Thanks for the clarification





Best,
Joel

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Re: [board-discuss] proposal for travel policy changes

[Joel Madero]

Hi Florian,
To illustrate the diversity of the community, and all the projects 
and event we engage with and participate in, the board strongly 
encourages everyone applying for a travel refund to send in a short 
written report along with their request.


A few sentences about the event and your general impression would be 
wonderful, and ideally you send it in under the Creative Commons 
Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0 Unported License 
http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/, so we can use it in 
our annual report. Feel free to also blog about your impressions and 
send us a link - in fact, this would be even better, to spread the 
word already during the year!


Thank you very much for your support, and to everyone who takes the 
time to send in travel reports about their trip!



Thoughts? ;-)
Looks great - just one question send in a short written report. Where 
would this be sent to? Public/Private/Personal email? Else it looks 
great. Maybe a couple examples of what we're looking for would be nice.



Best,
Joel

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Re: [board-discuss] Representation in my absence

[Joel Madero]

I, Joel Madero, elected member of the board of The Document
Foundation, hereby and until further notice, nominate the following
deputies to represent me during board calls, in the order set forth
below:

 1. Deputy Andreas Mantke
 2. Deputy Eike Rathke
 3. Deputy Norbert Thiebaud

Warm Regards,
Joel



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[board-discuss] Re: Accepting my position in the Board

[Joel Madero]

I, Joel Madero, elected [Deputy] Director of the Board of The Document
Foundation, hereby accept this position within the Stiftung bürgerlichen
Rechts The Document Foundation. My term will start February 18, 2014.

Signed: Joel Madero

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Ich, Joel Madero, gewähltes [Ersatz-]Vorstandsmitglied der The Document
Foundation, nehme mein Amt innerhalb der Stiftung bürgerlichen Rechts
The Document Foundation an. Meine Amtszeit beginnt am 18. Februar 2014.

Signed: Joel Madero

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On 01/01/2014 03:37 PM, Cor Nouws wrote:

I, Joel Madero, elected [Deputy] Director of the Board of The Document
Foundation, hereby accept this position within the Stiftung bürgerlichen
Rechts The Document Foundation. My term will start February 18, 2014.

Signed: Joel Madero

Ich, Joel Madero, gewähltes [Ersatz-]Vorstandsmitglied der The Document
Foundation, nehme mein Amt innerhalb der Stiftung bürgerlichen Rechts
The Document Foundation an. Meine Amtszeit beginnt am 18. Februar 2014.

Signed: Joel Madero



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[board-discuss] Re: [tdf-members] Results Elections TDF Board of Directors

[Joel Madero]

Hi All!

Along with my fellow board members who have already said their wise 
words which I would love to echo, I would like to add that I never cease 
to be inspired by the team of incredible people who I see dedicating so 
much of their time to LibreOffice. You all (collectively) are one of the 
many things which I am truly grateful for this holiday season. Thank you 
all, for inspiring me, helping me, and putting your faith in me as a new 
member of the BoD.


Wishing everyone the best of holiday seasons - and as has been pointed 
out to me, for those of you who are not in holiday season, I wish you a 
fantastic week and a great new year.


On that note, family, food and fun is calling :-D


Warmest Wishes,
Joel



On 12/24/2013 12:45 PM, Adam Co wrote:

Greetings to everyone!

I would like to personally thank everyone who has voted for me, and also the
one who haven't =)

In the relatively short period I have been a part of this community - I have
come to appreciate the help and advice from a lot of members here.

I look forward to helping the community in many ways.

Happy holidays season to everyone!

Best,

Adam




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[board-discuss] Re: Nominating Joel Madero for the Board of Directors

[Joel Madero]

Hi All,

First, I want to say thank you again for those who have shown faith in 
me and my ability to add to what has become one of the greatest projects 
on the planet. Truly everyone I have worked with has inspired me and 
helped me believe in what we do.


I thought I would write a bit about myself and why I accepted nomination 
to the BoD of the Document Foundation.


My name is Joel Madero. I am 27 years old, happily married to my college 
sweetheart, computer hobbiest living in San Diego, CA (USA). After 
finishing my undergraduate studies I worked for the local government for 
three years. I ended this position in June to begin my next adventure, 
attending the University of California, Irvine - School of Law.


I joined the LibreOffice project late in 2011 after being a user of open 
source for some years, but was unable to find an inviting enough project 
to contribute to. As many other contributors, my first experience with 
LibreOffice was submitting a bug report - at which point I was 
encouraged by my mentors on the project to give QA a try. For the last 
two or so years I have been mostly involved with QA - helping to grow 
the team, triaging as much as possible, leading bi-weekly international 
QA calls,  representing QA on the Engineering Steering Committee until 
beginning law school this fall, and helping begin the process of getting 
a North American team together. I try to be active in the user group as 
much as possible, and have even gotten the opportunity to put my very 
limited C++ skills to the test by committing a few patches.


What I would bring to the board (I suppose my philosophy).

I am a firm believer that FLOSS relies on a deep rooted community. I 
have spoken openly about my belief that we should encourage _all_ users 
to do what they can to contribute back (either by contributing time or 
making monetary donations). On the board, I will use my time to 
encourage users to join, primarily by reaching out and showing how 
anyone can find a home on our project - including artists, computer 
hobbiests, professional developers, marketing gurus, or any other person 
using FLOSS software. Truly everyone can make an impact on the project. 
I will continue my efforts to encourage all of our teams around the 
world to connect and to establish relationships that make it easier to 
coordinate in our mutual efforts to improve Libreoffice. Lastly, I will 
continue to build lasting friendships with my colleagues - as these 
friendships are what I have found to make TDF an incredible organization 
and what I know has helped encourage others to give so much of their 
time and put in so much effort to make LibreOffice a success.


Again, many thanks to those who have mentored me and encouraged me to be 
a part of this organization.



All the best,
Joel






On 11/05/2013 02:47 PM, Thorsten Behrens wrote:
Hi, as another candidate, I would very much like to nominate Joel 
Madero for the upcoming board of directors election. Joel joined the 
project in 2011, and has since been active all over the place. He was 
especially instrumental in energizing the QA, with his spirit and 
enthusiasm, that built an outstanding team of volunteers working 
tirelessly to get our bug influx under control. Joel, with his focus 
area and being based in the Americas, would bring important 
perspective to the board. I'm very happy therefore that he (privately) 
agreed to stand, and ask you to join me in supporting his candidature. 
:) Cheers, -- Thorsten

[board-discuss] Re: Nominating Joel Madero for the Board of Directors

[Joel Madero]

On 11/05/2013 02:47 PM, Thorsten Behrens wrote:

Hi,

as another candidate, I would very much like to nominate Joel Madero
for the upcoming board of directors election. Joel joined the
project in 2011, and has since been active all over the place. He was
especially instrumental in energizing the QA, with his spirit and
enthusiasm, that built an outstanding team of volunteers working
tirelessly to get our bug influx under control.

Joel, with his focus area and being based in the Americas, would bring
important perspective to the board. I'm very happy therefore that he
(privately) agreed to stand, and ask you to join me in supporting his
candidature. :)

Cheers,

-- Thorsten
Thanks for the vote of confidence Thorsten :) As you have already said, 
I accept the nomination and would be honored to sit on the board.



Warmest Regards,
Joel

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Re: [board-discuss] Board elections soon - think about your candidates!

[Joel Madero]

On 10/17/2013 08:20 AM, Thorsten Behrens wrote:

Michael Meeks wrote:

And a quick note of commendation here; Florian has done more than
anyone to make TDF a reality, and ensure that the many balls don't get
dropped here. We owe him a public debt of thanks.


Indeed we do, for the past  the future - thanks so much, Florian, for
your dedication, passion, and your outstanding paid, and (much more
so) pro bono work for TDF!

Cheers,

-- Thorsten
Likely to result in a flood of emails but I'll add my two cents. 
Florian, incredible work, incredible colleague. You're always cool 
headed, encouraging, and hard working.


Thanks for all the work.



All the best,
Joel

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Fwd: [CivicAccess-discuss] French Gendarmerie: Open source desktop lowers TCO by 40%

[Joel Madero]

Thanks for sharing. I really wish these articles would talk about 
donations or support options - else they give the impression that free = 
libre which, IMHO is not a good thing as part of being in the community 
is understanding the distinction.


None the less, I'm not horribly surprised at 40% savings :)


Best,
Joel

On 10/01/2013 06:16 PM, Immanuel Giulea wrote:

PVI | FYI

Curation by/par
Immanuel Giulea
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From: Glen Newton glen.new...@gmail.com
Date: 2013-10-01 12:22 PM
Subject: [CivicAccess-discuss] French Gendarmerie: Open source desktop
lowers TCO by 40%
To: GOSLING members in Ottawa ottawa-gosl...@list.goslingcommunity.org,
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Cc:

https://joinup.ec.europa.eu/community/osor/news/french-gendarmerie-open-source-desktop-lowers-tco-40

Using an open source desktop lowers the total cost of ownership by
40%, in savings on proprietary software licences and by reducing costs
on IT management. Using Ubuntu Linux massively reduces the number of
local technical interventions, says Major Stéphane Dumond. The direct
benefits of saving on licences are the tip of the iceberg. An
industrialised open source desktop is a powerful lever for IT
governance.

The Gendarmerie now employs 37,000 Ubuntu Linux desktops. In the
summer of next year, it expects to have completed the switch, and will
then have 72,000 Ubuntu-Linux workstations. That makes it Europe's and
possibly world-wide the largest example of a public administration
using open source on workstations.

It is possible to deploy thousands of Linux desktops. We did, the
Major said, speaking at the Evento Linux conference, which took place
in the city of Lisbon, Portugal, on 26 September.

Awesome!

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Membership Application Process

[Joel Madero]

http://www.documentfoundation.org/foundation/application-for-tdf-community-membership/

:) Nomination is not required but you should have references listed on
there when you apply.


Hope that helps.


Best,
Joel


On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 12:40 PM, Immanuel Giulea giulea.imman...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Hello all,

 I hope this is the correct mailing list to ask a question about the
 application process to become a member of TDF.

 I have joined the mailing lists in December 2012 when I started the
 organizing committee for the Montreal application to the LOCon 2013.

 From what I read on the wiki (1) it's not very clear what the process is.

 Can someone explain to me?
 I am very interested to join officially, and I hope that I can do so based
 on merit.

 Does my name need to be nominated by another member?
 The wiki does say
 An applicant preferably should be nominated by an existing Member.

 So it is not mandatory?

 And although the wiki page is well written I could not find a link on to
 submit an actual membership application request.


 Cheers from Montreal!

 Immanuel


 (1)

 https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/CommunityBylaws#Membership_Application_Process

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[board-discuss] Re: Adjustments to the QA budget usage: netbooks, contest budget

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On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 12:33 PM, Bjoern Michaelsen 
bjoern.michael...@canonical.com wrote:

 Hi,

 Recent developments have caused me and Norbert to adjust the use of the QA
 budget as follows:

 - we will only buy three netbooks for QA triagers now (at 300EUR each)
 - we reserve up to 200 EUR for the top five contributors during the contest
 - we reserve addditional up to 200 EUR for swag for the first 10 newcomers
   reaching 10 contributed bug triages

 With this we still are in the total QA budget of 1800 EUR. I have updated:

  https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/TDF/BoD_Budget#QA_budget


Thanks for the update.


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Re: [tdf-discuss] Donations system: pay for a feature

[Joel Madero]

On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 11:00 AM, Kracked_P_P---webmaster 
webmas...@krackedpress.com wrote:


 Spending money, via donations, geared to one feature and not the whole
 package can be a VERY bad marketing issue.

 I never liked it.  If you donate money to one feature and it does not get
 added, or fixed, in your time line and not the developer's, it can be a
 mess.

 We do not know what can be fixed easily, or if something that looks simple
 will be a real hard add or fix.  The simple things tend to be not so simple.

 We cannot even make a paper trail to show an agency [required by] that the
 donation towards a feature would even go to it.  That would make a big
 legal mess.

 Paying a third party to fix things has been used by spammers for a long
 time.


+1 to all that, but I think offering a payment and letting a developer opt
in or out is fine. As long as user and developer understand LibreOffice has
no part in the process.


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Re: [tdf-discuss] Donations system: pay for a feature

[Joel Madero]

 Any payments and/or donations must be accounted for and if the person
 paying has any intent it to go to xyz, then by regulations we may need to
 account for that payment/donation and where it went to.

 That is the real problem with targeted donations and payments.  There will
 be a mess in paperwork to deal with it.  Opt in, opt out, What it was used
 for.  Keeping track of all of who pays what, for what, can cost more than
 thepayment in paperwork and legal fees.


This has been discussed quite a bit on user list and brought up during ESC
at some point and I thought the consensus was we'll just let them do what
they want and not endorse, support, etc... any of that. I thought that
kept us out of legal muddy waters. It'd be similar to me just going to a
friend who is a programmer and saying dude, can I pay you $100 to fix this
issue - a contract completely out of TDF's hands.


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[tdf-discuss] New Locale - Steps?

[Joel Madero]

Hi All,

Is there a wiki or something that has all the steps associated with getting
a new locale setup? I think there are a ton of steps, from translating the
software itself to getting a website up, a mailing list, etc... etc

There is someone over on google+ asking for help and just not sure where to
direct them.


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Re: [tdf-discuss] New Locale - Steps?

[Joel Madero]

 Everything is explained on the wiki, from here:
 https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Language
 and then also navigating to the l10n category, there is more information.
 Of course, we'll welcome him on our l10n list.


Thanks Sophie! Will pass it on to him.

I was a bit surprised when I googled LibreOffice Locale Mailing Lists I
didn't get any useful hits :-/

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Annoyance (Bug?) in Page Preview while Gallery is displayed (Writer 4.0.2)

[Joel Madero]

On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 7:47 AM, Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com wrote:

 Le 06/05/13 07:25 AM, Pedro a écrit :

 Hi foberle


 foberle wrote

  I'm using LibreOffice Writer Version 4.0.2.2 (Build ID: 400m0(Build:2))
 on
 Ubuntu 12.04 64 bit.


 I can confirm the same behaviour under Windows. I'm not sure if this is a
 bug (it is indeed an annoyance).

 The Discuss list is not the place to report bugs/ask for enhancements.

 You should report this on the LibreOffice bug tracker
 https://bugs.freedesktop.org/**enter_bug.cgi?product=**LibreOfficehttps://bugs.freedesktop.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=LibreOffice

 Hope this helps.


 However, the discuss list IS the place where you post these types of
 issues to see if it is a candidate for a bug. A potential bug item is best
 discussed here just to check, because sometimes a behaviour that may seem
 like a bug could be just a simple fix on the user's part.

 There is no sense in submitting bugs when you have not discussed it with
 others on some mailing list or other group first. After it is confirmed as
 a bug item it can then be submitted and then confirmed by another person
 who also discussed it.

 Our QA (Quality Assurance) people are super busy, and we should not be
 sending them issues that are not clearly bugs.


:-D. Thanks for assisting in filtering our work Marc :)



 So, in this case, it does indeed look like a bug item (annoyance) that
 should be submitted.


Indeed, if not a bug, then definitely an enhancement request that would be
useful. Enhancements get submitted the same way as bugs :)



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[tdf-discuss] [Libreoffice-qa] Bugzilla administration info - New version 4.0.3.2 rc

[Joel Madero]

In preparation for the upcoming release of 4.0.3 release candidate 2
(4.0.3.2 rc), a new version has been added to both FreeDesktop.Org (FDO)
and Bug Submission Assistant (BSA).


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Re: [tdf-discuss] NMake vs MinGW

[Joel Madero]

I am adding Rainer to this as I think he has some points about mingw -
Rainer opinions? If you're not interested, sorry for the cc


Best,
Joel


On Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 9:40 AM, Jonathan Aquilina
eagles051...@gmail.comwrote:

 Was nmake looked at as an alternative to mingw? as it is its part of visual
 studio and works with make files just like make does. what does mingw have
 that nmake doesnt?

 i feel switching would greatly reduce build complexity in terms of building
 on windows.

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Re: [board-discuss] written report as requirement for budget?

[Joel Madero]

On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 7:09 AM, Florian Effenberger 
flo...@documentfoundation.org wrote:

 Hello,

 given that writing the annual report is a quite tedious task, I am
 thinking about having a new rule, that a fully written, timely report (in
 English) should be a requirement for future budget spendings. Not too much
 text, but a few sentences would be nice.

 That would help writing down topics when they occur, plus help those
 writing the annual report to have access to full texts rather than having
 to reinvent the wheel based on some sticky notes and keywords taken over
 the year.

 I agree that it is raising the barrier for funds a bit, but then, why not
 share the burden than offloading it to a hand full of people? ;-)


I think this sounds like a good idea for lots of reasons so +1 :-D Sorry
for just providing snippets for you to do a write up based on, I'll try to
do a bit better going forward.


Best,
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RE: [board-discuss] Re: LibreOffice Swag/Merchandise Bulk Purchase?

[Joel Madero]

Already being investigated but legal issues with non profit status is an
issue. We are all hoping it happens though :)

Best
Joel
On Mar 29, 2013 11:47 PM, Jonathan Aquilina eagles051...@gmail.com
wrote:

 Seeing a discussion of this. I would like to propose something here.

 Why not setup an e-commerce site for people that want to purchase swag
 outside of contests as their way of donating so to speak to the TDF.

 I am versed in setting up word press as an E-Commerce Site, and can get it
 to interface with the TDF's PayPal.

 Regards

 -Original Message-
 From: Cor Nouws [mailto:oo...@nouenoff.nl]
 Sent: 29 March 2013 23:01
 To: Joel Madero
 Cc: Thorsten Behrens; Robinson Tryon; market...@us.libreoffice.org;
 board-discuss@documentfoundation.org
 Subject: Re: [board-discuss] Re: LibreOffice Swag/Merchandise Bulk
 Purchase?

 Hi Joel,

 Joel Madero wrote (29-03-13 17:59)

  At that cost maybe we can give a sticker to everyone who participates?
  Let's say it's 50 people (very very optimistic), it might be less than
  $25 to get them a sticker.

 And once we ship, we send some more. Always good for everyone to have one
 at
 hand to share ;-)

  Nice, we'll just do 1 mug most likely, at most would be 2. We will
  find local store to print the mug(s) and ship them. Robinson and I are
  working on this.

 I was lucky to be able to order a small amount for an interesting price..

  What about for t-shirts? Same design as mug?

 Can be if one wishes.
 You may also take the plain LibreOffice logo of course or make something
 else.

  Hoodies I think we have some left over (hope?)

 Not that much, and as far as I know mostly small sizes.

  if not, should we purchase a larger batch and have someone store them
  until our next event in Europe?

 Or the other way round.
 Just depends on whats most practical for ordering / payment / storage and
 sharing.

  Lastly, a laptop bag,

 Yes, that is interesting.

  I'm going to ping Marketing about making some kind of design to add to
  it - if no one volunteers probably same as mug/tshirt design.

 The more designs the merrier, IMO :-)

 Cheers,
 Cor


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Re: [board-discuss] LibreOffice Swag/Merchandise Bulk Purchase?

[Joel Madero]

On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 12:33 PM, Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.ukwrote:

 Hi :)
 That 40 sounds bizzare.  Some have already claimed more than that on
 travel without being even slightly dishonourable.  Far from it in fact,
 they seem to have gone to extraordinary pains to keep costs down and i
 really can't imagine people in other organisations going that far.  It's an
 unworkable amount and must have some provisions to allow for reality?!!?

 Surely the normal way would be for TDF to buy in bulk, obtaining a massive
 discount due to that, and then sell on to individuals or groups at more
 than TDF paid per item.  Groups often do that sort of thing so that
 individuals pay less than they would have to if they bought the single item
 for themselves.  The group gets a tiny profit and hopefully enough to cover
 any losses for items that go unsold and wastage, admin, postage, other
 overheads with some change left over.  The problem might be at what point
 that gets considered Trading and whether that is allowed.


I know for sure that European laws are very different from US laws. From my
understanding $0 profit is allowed, meaning even if we can buy in bulk
through TDF, SPI would then purchase the item at a per cost price - even
this is not clear though. At this point we are going to move to SPI and see
if they can fund a small purchase, moving forward hopefully we find a
better solution (might require some legal advice).

I think there is some confusion about prize vs. merchandise vs. using
merchandise as an incentive to join the contest which we are discussing.
I'm not sure if merchandise becomes a prize if it is used in such a
context. Because of these limitations and questions, we'll just go to SPI
and/or Friends of Open Document for funding - it shouldn't be that much for
this particular contest and I've been told that if I purchase out of pocket
I will get a refund from someone.


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Re: [board-discuss] Re: LibreOffice Swag/Merchandise Bulk Purchase?

[Joel Madero]

On Fri, Mar 29, 2013 at 9:05 AM, Cor Nouws oo...@nouenoff.nl wrote:

 Thorsten Behrens wrote (28-03-13 19:57)

  Robinson Tryon wrote:

 We're looking to purchase some swag and goodies for the contest. Some
 of the ideas we've come up with have included:
 - T-Shirts
 - Mugs
 - Posters
 - Pens
 - Pins
 - Patches
 - Hoodies
 - Laptop cases

  Great! If you get designs finalized for those, please do poke
 board-discuss - I guess there is some universal need for that.


 I had a thousand stickers produced last year. Was not difficult to
 distribute those (including FOSDEM).
 Design here:

 https://wiki.**documentfoundation.org/**Marketing/Material#Stickers_.**
 28Designs_for.29https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Material#Stickers_.28Designs_for.29

 When I would order 10.000, the cost per sticker (for a batch of a certain
 amount, shipping included would be ):
 AmountEuropeWorld
 100   12  12
 300   10,311
 600   10,210,8
 (Ordering 5000, would raise the price for one sticker app. 4 c)


At that cost maybe we can give a sticker to everyone who participates?
Let's say it's 50 people (very very optimistic), it might be less than $25
to get them a sticker.



 And a small amount of mugs.
 Design here:

 https://wiki.**documentfoundation.org/**Marketing/Material#T-shirts_.**
 2F_muggs_.._.28Designs_forhttps://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Material#T-shirts_.2F_muggs_.._.28Designs_for

 Shipping of those is more expensive, so production best done
 local/regional, I guess.


Nice, we'll just do 1 mug most likely, at most would be 2. We will find
local store to print the mug(s) and ship them. Robinson and I are working
on this.

What about for t-shirts? Same design as mug? Hoodies I think we have some
left over (hope?) if not, should we purchase a larger batch and have
someone store them until our next event in Europe? Lastly, a laptop bag,
I'm going to ping Marketing about making some kind of design to add to it -
if no one volunteers probably same as mug/tshirt design.


Best,
Joel


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Re: [board-discuss] LibreOffice Swag/Merchandise Bulk Purchase?

[Joel Madero]

On 03/29/2013 05:03 PM, Thorsten Behrens wrote:

Tom Davies wrote:

That 40 sounds bizzare.


This amount refers to presents (Florian clearly stated
that). Reimbursing reasonable expenses made by people travelling on
behalf of TDF is not a present. Did you read up on continental tax
law? If not, this discussion appears to be a tad pointless to me.

Cheers,

-- Thorsten
I think we can end the conversation all together, we'll plan on going 
through SPI and Friends of Open Document, worst case I'll buy the stuff 
with my own money and then get reimbursed.  :) Thanks Thorsten for 
keeping us all up to date with legal stuff and for being patient with my 
lack of knowledge. We're going to price stuff in the US and Europe to 
see cheapest prices.


Can I get the name of the company you went through for hoodies and 
tshirts, maybe they'll give us a small deal for repeat customer :)



Best,
Joel

Re: [board-discuss] LibreOffice Swag/Merchandise Bulk Purchase?

[Joel Madero]

On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 11:22 AM, Florian Effenberger 
flo...@documentfoundation.org wrote:

 Hi,

 Michael Meeks wrote on 2013-03-28 12:56:

 The stop energy has already reached epic proportions here:-)  The
 plan
 is to encourage SPI to fund this - which should be no issue.


 sure, that would be no issue then. :)


So if I'm reading this right, even if we combine with an event that we need
LibreOffice gear, we can't use that gear as a prize and therefor TDF cannot
be involved at all? If this is the case I'll plan on going through SPI
which is cool but will be unfortunate in the sense that we could spend more
than necessary as a bulk order may cut cost substantially.


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Re: [tdf-discuss] [Wiki] chart LibreOffice Lifecycle

[Joel Madero]

On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 12:58 PM, Kracked_P_P---webmaster 
webmas...@krackedpress.com wrote:



 The 4.1 listing show May, but there is no release published till July.
 Should that be changed?


I think the chart includes Alpha and pre releases so May is accurate

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Dual licensing of patches and code

[Joel Madero]

On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 7:46 AM, Charles-H. Schulz 
charles.sch...@documentfoundation.org wrote:

 Jim,

 I do not know who made these assertions to this entity, however it is
 really important to understand that it was not the Document
 Foundation. We have never been in contact with such parties.

 Let me stress again that it is necessary for this entity to contact us

directly.


It's beginning to be clearer and clearer that the entity does not wish to
be named as I think at least 10-15 times in this thread the information has
been requested but has subtly been ignored by the OP.

IMO (just to be clear to OP - I do not speak on behalf of the TDF as a
whole) the thread should be closed at this point in time as we're up to 30
posts with a circular pattern - OP requests information about hypothetical
contributor under dual or tri license, TDF requests potential contributors
to contact TDF directly, OP goes back to requesting information.

The whole thread seems quite strange to me as there appears to be an effort
to hide who is actually thinking of contributing.

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Experimental UI for LibreOffice proposal

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 To be clear, the underlying image was created by Paulo José. Working
 on smaller screens is a good question, but you have to get something
 before you make it work with additional constraints. LibreOffice has
 two challenges, looking good on the upcoming high-res screens, and
 working okay on the smaller screens. I think as a start, the focus
 should be on ~1280 pixels wide screens.


Really not trying to be pessimistic but in all truth, I don't see this
happening. I've seen the work before and personally I like it quite a bit
but you have three major issues:

1. Lack of any kind of consensus, without UX input it's kind of DOA. Doing
a ton of work and then showing it to them seems worse than working with
them and getting their feedback as you plan. There may have already been
extensive talk about this already within UX, a quick email over there might
result in a huge savings of time on your part.

2. Lack of developers to implement -- if you look on FDO you can see a
massive list of bugs that are being worked on and awaiting work. Having a
developer spend months implementing this is unlikely as they focus on more
pressing issues

3. Lack of funds to pay someone else - for this you're really probably
talking about $10's of thousands of dollars.


Just my two cents, feel free to take it or leave it.


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Re: [tdf-discuss] Experimental UI for LibreOffice proposal

[Joel Madero]

My mistake, thought this was on user list, discuss list seems more
appropriate but expanding it to UX list also seems good. Even getting some
developer input just to understand what a huge undertaking this is would be
useful.

Again, personally I like the look ;) Just unsure of the point of
discussing it if it's never going to happen -- and I could very well be
wrong about that as well, just think the wrong people are being asked if
that's the case.


Best,
Joel


On Fri, Mar 8, 2013 at 1:50 PM, Joel Madero jmadero@gmail.com wrote:


 

 To be clear, the underlying image was created by Paulo José. Working
 on smaller screens is a good question, but you have to get something
 before you make it work with additional constraints. LibreOffice has
 two challenges, looking good on the upcoming high-res screens, and
 working okay on the smaller screens. I think as a start, the focus
 should be on ~1280 pixels wide screens.


 Really not trying to be pessimistic but in all truth, I don't see this
 happening. I've seen the work before and personally I like it quite a bit
 but you have three major issues:

 1. Lack of any kind of consensus, without UX input it's kind of DOA. Doing
 a ton of work and then showing it to them seems worse than working with
 them and getting their feedback as you plan. There may have already been
 extensive talk about this already within UX, a quick email over there might
 result in a huge savings of time on your part.

 2. Lack of developers to implement -- if you look on FDO you can see a
 massive list of bugs that are being worked on and awaiting work. Having a
 developer spend months implementing this is unlikely as they focus on more
 pressing issues

 3. Lack of funds to pay someone else - for this you're really probably
 talking about $10's of thousands of dollars.


 Just my two cents, feel free to take it or leave it.


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Re: [board-discuss] Budget, final call

[Joel Madero]

I think outside of netbooks QA would like a bit of money just for prizes
in general. Our planned contest in June we're hoping to do like 1-3 place
of even better 1-5, netbooks probably too much for these prizes. Was
thinking things like laptop case with LibreOffice logo, hoodie, mug, etc...

Maybe$1,000? I honestly don't have a context for the amount so I'm up
for suggestions. I'm thinking depending on the success of our first big
contest, I'm hoping to hold 1-3 a year.


Best,
Joel


On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 7:02 AM, Thorsten Behrens t...@documentfoundation.org
 wrote:

 Florian Effenberger wrote:
  As said, it is a wishlist at the moment. Please make your comments
  no later than tomorrow, Tuesday, so we have a final document
  available for Wednesday's call. Most likely, we need to cut down
  several budgets to make it fit, but that will be topic for the call.
 
 Cut-down budget (a 10% reduction in budgets across the board, sparing
 only items like server and domain names or contractual obligations)
 uploaded at

  https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Tdfbudget2013.pdf

 , we will discuss this in the call. Budget now ~matches available
 funds as of today.

 Kind regards,

 -- Thorsten




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Re: [tdf-discuss] Persona will no longer use that name, but be part of Themes - according to Firefox

[Joel Madero]

This is known, Kendy is looking into it.


Regards,
Joel


On Sat, Feb 16, 2013 at 4:26 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton dennis.hamil...@acm.org
 wrote:

 Good idea to stop using persona.  Also, Mozilla uses persona for their
 identity system, perhaps why the same term is no longer going to be used
 for
 the theme system.

  - Dennis

 -Original Message-
 From: webmaster-Kracked_P_P [mailto:webmas...@krackedpress.com]
 Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2013 13:13
 To: LibreO - Marketing Global; LibreO - Discuss
 Cc: Jean Hollis Weber
 Subject: [tdf-discuss] Persona will no longer use that name, but be part of
 Themes - according to Firefox



 I got an email from Mozilla about an issues with 2 of my Persona designs
 looking too similar.  When I replied to that email, I got one in return
 that had some info and a link to the following Blog.


 http://blog.mozilla.org/addons/2012/03/01/personas-are-joining-the-themes-fa
 mily/

 It looks like Mozilla, as of March 1st, will not longer use the name
 Persona, as a separate idea over the generic Theme idea of a
 personalized background for Firefox.

 So, we might want to look into updating what it is called in the next
 version of LO 4.0.x.

 Also it might need to have some editing in the documentation where it
 talks about the personalization using Firefox Persona.



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[board-discuss] Micro Funding Discussion on User List

[Joel Madero]

Wanted to make sure that the board was aware of this. I gave my response
and hope that it is a good one, if anyone feel like they need to add or
refute what I said, of course feel free to do so :)

http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.documentfoundation.libreoffice.user/27560

Best Regards,
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Re: [tdf-discuss] A humble critique about LO: grammar, dictionaries and basic usability

[Joel Madero]

On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 9:19 AM, timofonic timofonic timofo...@gmail.comwrote:

 Hello.

 I wanted to reply this email, because I was having some minor
 usability issues about LibreOffice. Nothing too bad, but I wanted to
 share it with the team.

 I was helping my gf to do some university work, I installed her
 LibreOffice because she was used to OpenOffice and no problems to it.
 But there were some stuff was difficult to make for her, and also a
 bit to me too. I may not be a Linux guru, but I have some years of
 experience as user. Here we go:

 - About style and grammar checkers: I find quite confusing that they
 aren't bundled with LO itself, I need to install different packages.
 Despite this can be done easily by people used to Linux, others may
 have difficulties to find the correct package. Also, I see there are
 different extensions for different languages, yet they use Java most
 of the time (I don't consider it an adequate technology not just
 because it's by Oracle, but is a bloated dependency and may make
 things worse for slower systems). I see there are Languagetool, it
 supports lots of languages but requires java. There's lightproof,
 requires Python (it's not so efficient too) and supports too few
 languages at this moment. This feature is also bundled by default in
 Microsoft Office and lots of people use it to proofread their
 documents. There's a lack of automatically analyzing words written in
 other languages like Latin (quite used for terms), too.

 - About dictionary: Are dictionaries so big to make them bundled by
 default? Why not include them? Also, there were a lot of missing words
 in the Spanish dictionary and some lack of understanding about able to
 write compound words in both ways (f.ex. psico-social and
 psicosocial).

 - About page enumeration: While I agree showing advanced options is a
 plus, stuff like this is somewhat messy and confusing. Seriously, I
 had to check a few tutorials to find a correct way to avoid page
 enumeration to the first pages of a document and I had some issues
 replicating it later. It's difficult to remember it and it seems I got
 confused with page style or something like that (I can provide further
 details if needed).

 I just wanted to share my opinion to others, maybe I'm wrong at it in
 some way. But at least I tried to contribute a bit :)

 Regards.

 (Sorry for my bad English)



Thank you for your feedback. We're always looking to improve LibreOffice
for you all (the users). We'll get a good healthy discussion about your
points and see if there is any consensus about solutions :)


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Re: [board-discuss] Re: Joining Silicon Sentier

[Joel Madero]

 I understand your concerns. However, I second Thorsten's thoughts here,
 that for an entity built up as TDF, and for the way we act, the intended
 meaning of § 5 is suitable.

 Let's see how things develop in the future. We can always adjust the rules
 of procedure should we see things don't work as intended or expected.


+1 :) I think that guessing at what future problems might occur creates a
lot of tension or at least has the potential of that. If a situation comes
up where there's a clear problem, then I say modify as needed. I don't
think saying this is how others do it is enough of a reason to change
something.

Best Regards,
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Re: [board-discuss] Re: 2013 budget draft - TDF Budget as of 2013-01-14

[Joel Madero]

Just wanted to correct myself, I didn't mean to say blamed, what I meant
to say is we should encourage groups to be equally proactive. Instead of
thinking that QA will be seen as favorites or some other such thing, we
should make it clear that we support our community always and we always
support those who develop clear and well thought out strategies

That's all, thanks again all.

Best Regards,
Joel


On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 10:44 AM, Joel Madero jmadero@gmail.com wrote:

 On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 6:38 AM, Bjoern Michaelsen 
 bjoern.michael...@canonical.com wrote:

 Hi,

 On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 02:06:19PM +0100, Bjoern Michaelsen wrote:
  The QA netbooks have already been discussed on QA Call. The idea is to
 have a
  budget for a set of netbooks that we can give publically as prizes to
 our most
  active QA contributors in QA marathons and triage contests.

 A few addition given the discussion:
 We will likely lend the netbooks to a set of QA volunteers. And those
 machines
 are not intended to let our QA volunteers play Starcraft, but to be able
 to
 triage -- possibly on multiple platforms -- without busting their usual
 work
 machine.

 Why only QA? Because QA did organize quite a few events (Bug Hunting
 Sessions,
 QA Marathons, QA Wochenende) making me confident they have the manpower to
 organize this. I did hard work to support Rainer, Joel, Florian and other
 to
 get QA rolling over the last year. Once other parts of the project get
 there,
 the same applies to them -- I am confident at that point they will file
 their
 own budget requests.

 Note also this is an opportunity that presented itself: E.g. for
 developers we
 cant easily do this as a developer machine for LibreOffice is quite a bit
 more
 expensive.

 Best,

 Bjoern


 We will be discussing this tomorrow during our QA call if anyone wants to
 join. We are still in the early stages of developing the time frame, rules,
 etc... for the contest but hope to be done by Beta or RC of 4.1.

 As for the other comments, I think the main point is that the BoD is open
 to suggestions, feedback and comments from any group within the project.
 This being said, QA shouldn't be blamed for developing a clear goal and
 strategy to reach this goal and then presenting it to the BoD. At that
 point it's the BoD's job to determine if the request is valid. I am almost
 positive that this would apply to any group within the project and if the
 group could show that they were a) able to manage their request and b) had
 a clear goal and plan to achieve it, the BoD would have an open mind to
 most proposals. To me this is the foundation of our community.


 Best Regards,
 Joel


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Re: [board-discuss] Format of the BoD votes announcement

[Joel Madero]

On 01/02/2013 02:47 AM, Norbert Thiebaud wrote:

On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 4:23 AM, Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:

Hi :)
but there are times
when a vote needs to be taken anonymously.

Can you give a concrete example of such time ? I mean for a BoD vote.
note: there is a distinction between private deliberation, temporarily
non-public and 'anonymous' BoD vote.
I can think of cases where the 2 former are justified or necessary,
for privacy concern or legal reasons... but I can't think of a case
where the later would be justified.

Norbert.

I'm wondering if this would cause a group think mentality within the 
BoD. I know that if a name is public, being the only dissenter might 
dissuade a current or future BoD from dissenting. Ultimately I'm 
wondering how much adding names helps the project move forward. I know 
that we adhere to a very open policy but with voting, sometimes 
anonymous really encourages the best deliberation.


Best Regards,
Joel

Re: [board-discuss] TDF Budget as of 2012-11-20

[Joel Madero]

Do we have projections going into the future? It might be nice to start
projecting 6-12 months into the future. I know a lot of work, I'd be
willing to help.

Thanks Florian for the great work


Regards,
Joel


On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 3:46 AM, Jonathan Aquilina
eagles051...@gmail.comwrote:

 :) just want to say keep up your amazing work :) its great to see the
 budget growing :)


 On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 12:43 PM, Florian Effenberger 
 flo...@documentfoundation.org wrote:

 TDF Budget as of 2012-11-20

 This is a non-binding draft. ConCardis is subject to conversion rates and
 fees.
 Empty fields declare either no spending, or amount already booked.
 For SPI, incl. AB fees, see http://lists.spi-inc.org/**
 pipermail/spi-general/2012-**September/003100.htmlhttp://lists.spi-inc.org/pipermail/spi-general/2012-September/003100.html

 Incoming

 Bank account 71.185,65 €
 Credit card account 311,69 €
 PayPal 458,33 €
 Flattr 165,51 €
 ConCardis 8.000,00 € approximately

 Outgoing one-time fees

 LibOCon videos -1.600,00 €
 Private BoD decision -1.350,00 €

 Outgoing recurring fees,
 extrapolated to the rest of the year

 Servers and bandwith -1.461,00 €
 Mail forwarding service -357,00 €
 ConCardis fees -147,00 €
 SIP line -101,40 €
 Phone fees
 Domain names
 Membership stiftungen.org
 Insurances
 Tax advisory (est.) -1.500,00 €
 Authority fees -150,00 €
 Authority fees reserve -621,47 €

 INCOMING TOTAL 80.121,18 €
 OUTGOING TOTAL -7.287,87 €

 TOTAL BALANCE 72.833,31 €
 SAFETY RESERVE -15.000,00 €

 BUDGET 57.833,31 €

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Re: [board-discuss] Re: on the capital stock investment

[Joel Madero]

My ex roomate is a financial planner. I'd be willing to see if he has any
suggestions or willingness to take part. Of course he's American so he
knows about investing here (mostly), but if you'd like I can pitch it to
him, not sure if he'd charge and how much. I lived with him for three years
and can vouch for him as a person and a professional.


Regards,
Joel

On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 3:28 AM, Florian Effenberger 
flo...@documentfoundation.org wrote:

 Hi,

 that's unfortunate. If we find no solution in the call, I propose that the
 board pays some external consultant to finally work on the topic. This has
 been open since February, been talked about since July, and no outcome is
 visible.


 Florian

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Re: [board-discuss] Budget request: EUR 3500 for LibOCon 2012 video / streaming service

[Joel Madero]

On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 6:17 AM, Thorsten Behrens 
t...@documentfoundation.org wrote:

 Dear board colleagues,

 I'd like to get aforementioned budget approved for paying the
 wonderful folks from Beuth college for their efforts during the
 LibreOffice conference (filming and streaming), and their ongoing
 work on post-processing the video footage.


+1 :) Also a big thank you to them for doing a great job for a reasonable
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Re: [board-discuss] TDF Budget for 2012 as of 2012-10-23

[Joel Madero]

On Tue, Oct 23, 2012 at 10:55 AM, Florian Effenberger 
flo...@documentfoundation.org wrote:

 Hello everyone,

 attached is our current budget - and, woohooo, it seems that the
 fundraising campaign so far gave us an additional 11.000 €! Wow, that's
 amazing, I'll try to prepare some blogpost on that topic soon!


:-D


Thanks for the update :)

Regards,
Joel

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: Forums Proposal

[Joel Madero]

On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 11:26 PM, Jonathan Aquilina
eagles051...@gmail.comwrote:

 Hey all what is the status of this seeing as there hasnt been any emails
 going round about the forums?



Agreed, time to move forward :)


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Re: [tdf-discuss] Project about FOSS newcomer experience and citizenship behavior

[Joel Madero]

 Once the survey is live,  I would like to kindly request the help of some
 of you to help spread the word about the survey to LibreOffice community
 members. I would also like to ask whether some of you could share their
 insights about the best way to advertise the survey to LibreOffice people
 so that the chance to get a reasonable rate of participation is somehow
 optimal.


First, good luck with your PhD, very exciting.

Second, I'd recommend going to the #libreoffice channel on IRC often  at
different times because of time zone differences. #libreoffice-dev is
another option BUT be warned that this is a developer channel and you might
not get positive results as developers like using that channel explicitly
to talk about code. I'd also be happy to bring this up during any of the
conference calls once you get it up. Just send me an email with some
details and I'll get it on our agenda if only for a quick check this out
if you get some time


Regards,
Joel

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: Forums Proposal

[Joel Madero]

On 10/08/2012 03:14 AM, Jonathan Aquilina wrote:

I am now wondering if this should be put forth to the board that way we can
get a clear end all decision and move forward with the forums and getting
them going.


I think we are well beyond this and we should move forward as is, both 
user and contributors forum. WORST CASE we have a contributor section 
that isn't used, so be it, we deal with that IF AND ONLY IF that 
happens. I don't understand why it's gotten so much attention so close 
to going live. Going to the board will only delay what needs to be 
done, which is getting a forum together, up and running, as soon as 
possible. We still have several more things to do before this can 
happen, delaying this step only delays the entire project.


Also, let's keep in mind that the top contributors have not been so 
vocally against the section, to me this is a big deal. If you look at 
who is the heads of the UX group, the QA group, the developers, 
etc...they haven't been nearly as vocal about this.


Again very worst case we have a dead contributor section, and to me, 
this is a very small price to pay for moving forward as soon as possible


Regards,
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Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Forums Proposal

[Joel Madero]

I, however, think that a good categorization of a forums will have a 
better appeal to our users and with good moderation will fill. I also 
think that we should not only moderate, but also create buzz on our 
forums. Moderators are not only there to help direct traffic 
(un-obtrusively) but also create buzz and discussion. If moderators 
sign up for the job, then they should commit to grow their forums and 
make them attractive for user appeal. If a forum has become silent, 
then it would be up to the forums admins to sit and determine the 
actions to market and help popularize it. This is more of an 
aggressive approach to growing a forums.


I've thought a lot about how much we should shrink the category list 
and I have talked to Bjoern a bit about it. At this point I'm heavily 
leaning towards the approach above by Marc. I read through all the 
previous threads and I can see combining a few things that were 
mentioned (such as OS X and Linux) but, I like the idea of keeping the 
components separate.


I think if this is our biggest concern, we're in good shape as it's a 
minor disagreement. Worst case if a section is never being touched, we 
can do one of two things:


a) aggressively start promoting it by moving relevant posts to the 
section that were previously in general or some other section


b) delete it

I'd prefer this approach over expanding to include new sections as we 
see the demand for them. This will result in a ton of users getting used 
to using the general section or some other similar section and then 
confusion when we grow the list and start telling them to post in the 
new section. Furthermore, for helpers, they'll get used to just going 
to the general category and it may be a mess to get them to start 
individually going to sections (I could see open contempt, saying it 
was so much easier when it was just grouped). The idea is to make it 
practical, efficient, and helpful, keeping them separate I think 
accomplishes this.



Regards,
Joel

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Re: [tdf-discuss] user qestions, where should they go now?

[Joel Madero]

User mailing list is where he/she should go for now. Forum is in the
makings now but until then

us...@global.libreoffice.org

or IRC chat at #libreoffice

Regards,
Joel

On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 10:10 AM, Terrence Enger ten...@iseries-guru.comwrote:

 Another usere has stumbled into the development list [1].  Clearly, he
 needs to be directed elsewhere, but I am unsure where to direct him.
 The situation w.r.t. forums seems to be in flux, and I am reluctant to
 send him to a mail list that I not follow myself.  Is there a simple
 answer?

 Thanks,
 Terry.


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Re: [tdf-discuss] LibreOffice Forums Categories Proposal

[Joel Madero]

On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 9:12 AM, Christian Lohmaier 
lohmaier+ooofut...@googlemail.com wrote:

 Hi Joel, *,

 On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 4:32 PM, Joel Madero jmadero@gmail.com
 wrote:
  On 09/27/2012 05:11 AM, Christian Lohmaier wrote:
  On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 7:33 AM, Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com wrote:
  [...]
 Not sure wether I like the creation of an off-topic area right from the
 start...


I'm willing to discuss but ultimately my stance is I am in favor of
off-topic immediately. It helps give a sense of just a place to come and
meet other FOSS people, also no reason to be strictly business right from
the start.


  [...]
  For installation related questions, people can be asked in a sticky to
  prefix their topics with [win] [lin] [mac] (, [sol], [and] [ios],...)
 
  The reality is that most users don't read sticked stuff so asking for
 them
  to do certain things in those notes might just be ignored.

 Well - it is a forum, there will be moderators, so topics can be
 adjusted if people don't follow the rules by themselves.


More work for limited moderators seems like a bad idea to me if it can be
easily solved by separating them. I'm not opposed to having one
installation section in theory, but I think the idea of having users put
brackets in is just not realistic and having moderators constantly having
to change subjects of point out this problem to users is also not
realistic.


 In another post Leif suggested a bugs and errors section.
 I'm strongly opposed to this. Bugzilla is the one and only way to file
 bug/error reports.
 Everything else is just creating a wrong impression, while in fact
 those reports will not be looked at.


Agreed. We had briefly discussed a bugs and errors section and ultimately
we decided this wasn't a good idea. If we notice someone posting a thread
that is a bug, we'll point them to the bug reporting section of our webpage
and let them file a bug.

Regards,
Joel
-- 
*Joel Madero*
LibO QA Volunteer
jmadero@gmail.com

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[tdf-discuss] Invitation to join LibO's QA Team

[Joel Madero]

Hi Everyone,

This is an invitation to our users to join the volunteers with the quality
assurance team and help continue to make LibO a better software suite for
everyone. No programming skills are needed (although if you have some it
can be useful).

What we do:

http://www.libreoffice.org/get-involved/qa-testers/

Our current project is to get our large backlog of bugs triaged (organized,
confirmed, prioritized). Because our team isn't very large we have a
difficult time keeping up with new bug reports (along with doing the other
tasks needed to be done by QA) so we are looking to add a few (if not more)
people. We are currently trying a group together to do a triage event on
IRC where a group of us spend 1-2 hours triaging as many bugs as possible.

If you're at all interested please reply to this email and we'll go from
there.


Best Regards,
Joel

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[board-discuss] Re: [libreoffice-website] update on credit card payment

[Joel Madero]

On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 1:33 PM, Florian Effenberger 
flo...@documentfoundation.org wrote:

 Hello,

 I just wanted to give you a quick update on what's happening: I've spent
 the last few hours on implementing the framework for direct credit card
 payments, so people can also directly donate to The Document Foundation
 using their credit cards, and for certain countries, even their bank
 accounts.

 The basic framework is up and running. If my tests go well, all we need
 will be a decent form embedded in our SilverStripe instance, that forwards
 to a script I've developed today. That script for sure will also need some
 sanity checks and improvements, but basically, it should do what is
 required.

 I will follow-up on the website list what is to be done soon - if all goes
 well, we hopefully can add this long-wanted feature to our donation page.


This sounds great :) Would we be able to set up recurring donations with
this? If a user did a $20/annual or $5/monthly donation that would be
amazing.

Thanks for the update Florian


Best Regards,
Joel