Hi, :-)
I've drafted an amended readme for the LibreOffice Linux downloads,
that contains:
- detailed instructions for installing LibreOffice on Debian/Ubuntu,
Fedora, Suse and Mandriva, with supporting notes for other Linux
distribs;
- detailed instructions for installing language packs on all
Hi,
On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 09:21:08AM +, Sveinn í Felli wrote:
It's quite surreal to see some power users/developers not seeing or
refusing to see that the whole concept of the software in question
IS a big metaphor: Office.
Wrong, I do see it.
And its users are using GUIs and other
On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 11:49 PM, Rene Engelhard
rene.engelh...@documentfoundation.org wrote:
And their quality is bad. Mentioning Ubuntu as an example here disqualifies
you already.
In Your Humble Opinion.
Again please avoid attacks on individuals or groups of users. This
risks alienating a
In data lunedì 22 novembre 2010 17:57:46, jonathon ha scritto:
On 11/22/2010 03:07 PM, Rene Engelhard wrote:
Because dpkg -i *.deb is esssentialy setup.exe.
That would be true if, and only if there was _one_ deb to install, in
which gdeb would by used, not dpkg.
Don't tell me anyone
In data lunedì 22 novembre 2010 22:28:54, Robert Holtzman ha scritto:
On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 06:50:36PM +0100, Rene Engelhard wrote:
On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 03:52:41PM +, Lee Hyde wrote:
original poster is making. Windows users are presented with a single
setup.exe while
Hi René,
Rene Engelhard schrieb:
On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 07:50:59AM -0600, Sonic4Spuds wrote:
This is not the case, many people on debian based systems are new
to linux. Linux Mint and Ubuntu both use debian as their base.
These
[...]
are some of the best distros for new users, who usually
On Wed, Nov 24, 2010 at 12:30:38PM +0100, Valter Mura wrote:
In data lunedì 22 novembre 2010 22:28:54, Robert Holtzman ha scritto:
On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 06:50:36PM +0100, Rene Engelhard wrote:
On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 03:52:41PM +, Lee Hyde wrote:
original poster is making.
On 11/22/2010 06:31 AM, Rene Engelhard wrote:
Hi,
On Sat, Nov 20, 2010 at 09:03:35AM -0600, Alexandro Colorado wrote:
unsuspecting users to the same problem that OOo has been famous for:
there is no obvious way to start to install the files. Dependencies for
dpkg -i *.deb?
each .deb have
On 11/22/2010 11:50 AM, Rene Engelhard wrote:
On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 03:52:41PM +, Lee Hyde wrote:
original poster is making. Windows users are presented with a single
setup.exe while debian/ubuntu users are presented with a multitude of
individual .deb files. This is not user friendly!
Hi René, *,
René Engelhard schrieb:
On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 07:34:13PM +0100, Friedrich Strohmaier wrote:
From a geeks point of view You are right. But I'm shure that it is
not a good idea to make all people out there geeks before using a
computer or using office software ;o)).
Ah, so we
On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 09:13:16AM -0500, Charles Marcus wrote:
On 2010-11-22 9:11 PM, Robert Holtzman wrote:
On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 10:31:58PM +0100, Rene Engelhard wrote:
On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 02:28:54PM -0700, Robert Holtzman wrote:
There is, however, a segment of the population that
Hi Rene, all,
it seems that your mail started an evolution in this thread leading to
negative feelings and reproaches that should be avoided.
The Steering Committee asked me and Cor Nouws to have a eye on this (and
the other lists we're subscribed to) in order to keep discussions on
topic
On Sat, Nov 20, 2010 at 08:04:29AM -0700, Craig A. Eddy wrote:
listed in the README_en-US file. I'm not familiar with dpgk, though I
Then get. You administer a Debian-based system without knowing dpkg? Oh my.
(Besides that, http://packages.debian.org/libreoffice has a metapackage -
you need at
Hi,
On Sat, Nov 20, 2010 at 09:03:35AM -0600, Alexandro Colorado wrote:
unsuspecting users to the same problem that OOo has been famous for:
there is no obvious way to start to install the files. Dependencies for
dpkg -i *.deb?
each .deb have to be met, but nothing indicates the order with
Hi René, *,
René Engelhard schrieb:
[.. depency question ..]
Nope. Really, I expect anybody having root on a Debian-based system to
know dpkg. Seriously.
So you'd recommend everybody just running a desktop machine and not
wanting to get a full featured serveradmin to abhore debian?
It would
Hi, :-)
On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 20:31, Rene Engelhard
rene.engelh...@documentfoundation.org wrote:
Nope. Really, I expect anybody having root on a Debian-based system to know
dpkg. Seriously.
Oh, Wow! What if you're an end user who needs a computer just to do
work on? Does every Linux user
On 11/22/2010 05:33 AM, Rene Engelhard wrote:
On Sat, Nov 20, 2010 at 08:04:29AM -0700, Craig A. Eddy wrote:
listed in the README_en-US file. I'm not familiar with dpgk, though I
Then get. You administer a Debian-based system without knowing dpkg? Oh my.
(Besides that,
On 11/22/2010 07:28 AM, David Nelson wrote:
Hi, :-)
On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 20:31, Rene Engelhard
rene.engelh...@documentfoundation.org wrote:
Nope. Really, I expect anybody having root on a Debian-based system to know
dpkg. Seriously.
Oh, Wow! What if you're an end user who needs a
On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 10:28:43PM +0800, David Nelson wrote:
Oh, Wow! What if you're an end user who needs a computer just to do
work on? Does every Linux user have to be a hard-core geek? And if you
own a Windows system, should one study for Microsoft certification
before shelling out you
Hi Michael, *,
Michael Wheatland schrieb:
René Engelhard schrieb:
Nope. Really, I expect anybody having root on a Debian-based system
to know dpkg. Seriously.
[..]
You were responding *my* mail not referring to my contents.
Please take care for clear communication.
Gruß/regards
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How are you able to tell which message I reply to? And what should I
be doing to ensure
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On 11/22/2010 03:07 PM, Rene Engelhard wrote:
Because dpkg -i *.deb is esssentialy setup.exe.
That would be true if, and only if there was _one_ deb to install, in
which gdeb would by used, not dpkg.
Don't tell me anyone using Windows must not
On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 03:52:41PM +, Lee Hyde wrote:
original poster is making. Windows users are presented with a single
setup.exe while debian/ubuntu users are presented with a multitude of
individual .deb files. This is not user friendly!
Nonsense. dpkg -i *.deb is user friendly,
On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 06:50:36PM +0100, Rene Engelhard wrote:
On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 03:52:41PM +, Lee Hyde wrote:
original poster is making. Windows users are presented with a single
setup.exe while debian/ubuntu users are presented with a multitude of
individual .deb files. This is
On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 04:56:40PM +0100, Italo Vignoli wrote:
So, I think that any user guide that makes it easier for computer
illiterates to install a software is always welcome, provided that I
will not install LibreOffice until is available in a repository that
I can access via Ubuntu
Hi René, *,
René Engelhard schrieb:
On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 03:15:25PM +0100, Friedrich Strohmaier wrote:
So you'd recommend everybody just running a desktop machine and not
wanting to get a full featured serveradmin to abhore debian?
No, I want desktop users to know how to use their system.
On 22/11/10 17:50, Rene Engelhard wrote:
On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 03:52:41PM +, Lee Hyde wrote:
Nonsense. dpkg -i *.deb is user friendly, despite what you want to claim.
That graphical tools might make it difficult is no argument.
It is obvious that the dpkg method described is a more
Hi, :-)
I am ROFL reading this thread. :-D
Rene, I'll write that how-to this week, notably for Ubuntu users, and
then - if it's OK with you - I'll send you the draft with any
questions I have regarding Debian.
We could also include instructions about how to *de-install* an
already-installed
Hi,
On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 07:34:13PM +0100, Friedrich Strohmaier wrote:
From a geeks point of view You are right. But I'm shure that it is not a
good idea to make all people out there geeks before using a computer or
using office software ;o)).
Ah, so we should let people not care about
On 22/11/10 17:58, Rene Engelhard wrote:
Beisde that, you agree that .deb is what users should know. How on earth are
they
then NOT to know how to install them? (And install all of debs one program
consists
of?)
I'm but a lowly Ubuntu user Rene, and I usually favour the use of
On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 10:46 AM, Lee Hyde anub...@gmail.com wrote:
cut
On 22/11/10 17:50, Rene Engelhard wrote:
No, my position taken to the logical conclusion would not be that (as I think
there's use cases for GUIs - I didn't say anything against them here but just
mentioned that dpkg
On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 02:55:22AM +0800, David Nelson wrote:
I am ROFL reading this thread. :-D
You obviously are not thinking about the big picture, otherwise you wouldn't
laugh.
Rene, I'll write that how-to this week, notably for Ubuntu users, and
then - if it's OK with you - I'll send you
On 2010-11-22 10:07 AM, Rene Engelhard wrote:
There is no goddamn need for it.
And there's no need for profanity either...
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On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 06:50:36PM +0100, Rene Engelhard wrote:
On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 03:52:41PM +, Lee Hyde wrote:
original poster is making. Windows users are presented with a single
setup.exe while debian/ubuntu users are presented with a multitude of
individual .deb files. This is
On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 02:28:54PM -0700, Robert Holtzman wrote:
open to learning a *few* new things, it is extremely user friendly.
There is, however, a segment of the population that actively resists
learning *anything*.
And that's a problem.
Grüße/Regards,
René
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Hello Michael,
Am Tue, 23 Nov 2010 01:30:19 +0930
schrieb Michael Wheatland mich...@wheatland.com.au:
You were responding *my* mail not referring to my contents.
Friedrich
I am new to this mailing list thing. I use Gmail and I reply by
clicking the 'reply' space at the very bottom of
Sigrid Carrera wrote:
Yes, I agree with you, arrogance doesn't help this project. But I
guess, René (btw, he is (was?) the Debian maintainer for OOo, and I
guess, he will maintain LibO for Debian too) has seen similar questions
too much and many people aren't willing to learn something new. So
On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 01:30:19AM +0930, Michael Wheatland wrote:
You were responding *my* mail not referring to my contents.
Friedrich
I am new to this mailing list thing. I use Gmail and I reply by
clicking the 'reply' space at the very bottom of the conversation
list.
How are you
Carl Symons wrote:
Italo, I work on several open source projects. Almost everyone else
involved is a developer (I'm more in your camp, although the dpkg -i
x86_64 .deb issue is well within my ability). In every case, there is
shared emphasis on users. What benefits the users? There's a whole
On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 10:31:58PM +0100, Rene Engelhard wrote:
On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 02:28:54PM -0700, Robert Holtzman wrote:
open to learning a *few* new things, it is extremely user friendly.
There is, however, a segment of the population that actively resists
learning *anything*.
On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 11:41 AM, Robert Holtzman hol...@cox.net wrote:
On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 10:31:58PM +0100, Rene Engelhard wrote:
On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 02:28:54PM -0700, Robert Holtzman wrote:
open to learning a *few* new things, it is extremely user friendly.
There is, however, a
On 11/20/2010 09:03 AM, Alexandro Colorado wrote:
On Sat, 20 Nov 2010 08:51:00 -0600, Craig A. Eddy ty...@cox.net wrote:
Recently (like 4:00 AM local time, November 20, 2010) I downloaded the
.tar.gz of the .deb files from TDF
Recently (like 4:00 AM local time, November 20, 2010) I downloaded the
.tar.gz of the .deb files from TDF
(http://download.documentfoundation.org/libreoffice/testing/3.3.0-beta3/deb/).
On unpacking the archived files I discovered that LO is subjecting poor
unsuspecting users to the same problem
On Sat, 20 Nov 2010 08:51:00 -0600, Craig A. Eddy ty...@cox.net wrote:
Recently (like 4:00 AM local time, November 20, 2010) I downloaded the
.tar.gz of the .deb files from TDF
(http://download.documentfoundation.org/libreoffice/testing/3.3.0-beta3/deb/).
On unpacking the archived files I
Hi,
Am 20.11.2010 15:51, schrieb Craig A. Eddy:
there is no obvious way to start to install the files. Dependencies for
each .deb have to be met, but nothing indicates the order with which to
install them. When dealing with 52 .deb files it's like trying to do a
jigsaw puzzle where all
On 11/20/2010 08:04 AM, Craig A. Eddy wrote:
On 11/20/2010 07:59 AM, Stefan Weigel wrote:
Hi,
Am 20.11.2010 15:51, schrieb Craig A. Eddy:
there is no obvious way to start to install the files. Dependencies for
each .deb have to be met, but nothing indicates the order with which to
I can not confirm your problem.
dpgk -i *.deb
does the job for me without trouble.
Stefan
Stefan,
Thanks, I'll try that. However, it would have been nice if that was
listed in the README_en-US file. I'm not familiar with dpgk, though I
am able to follow directions.
I second
Hi Craig, *,
Craig A. Eddy schrieb:
On 11/20/2010 07:59 AM, Stefan Weigel wrote:
Am 20.11.2010 15:51, schrieb Craig A. Eddy:
there is no obvious way to start to install the files.
Dependencies for each .deb have to be met, but nothing indicates
the order with which to install them. When
On 11/20/2010 03:24 PM, Friedrich Strohmaier wrote:
Hi Craig, *,
Craig A. Eddy schrieb:
On 11/20/2010 07:59 AM, Stefan Weigel wrote:
Am 20.11.2010 15:51, schrieb Craig A. Eddy:
there is no obvious way to start to install the files.
Dependencies for each .deb have to be met, but
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