Re: [IxDA Discuss] Clients are funny

2008-08-28 Thread Jarod Tang
I used to work with people at an interactive agency who typed http://; manually every time they wanted to view a site... :/ it's still correct, isnt it? (sometimes, we design a cool feature, but dont see user using it, which is not they uncommon case!) if the browser displays URL without

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Clients are funny

2008-08-27 Thread mark schraad
Well it may very well be an issue of semantics Nick. My opinion is generally based upon some blend of research, experience, knowledge and a bit of perspective. Hopefully it is well thought out. Hopefully I am able to deliver something beyond all of that stuff, as added value. Other wise

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Clients are funny

2008-08-27 Thread Santiago Bustelo
Such CEOs are worth their weight in shares. Pleasing them ensures foolproof design ;-) -- Santiago Bustelo // icograma Buenos Aires, Argentina On 25/08/2008, at 17:03, Nancy Broden wrote: In my more jaded moments as a consultant I used say that there was only one user you needed to

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Clients are funny

2008-08-27 Thread Paul Nuschke
Nice find. ;) I think the main thing that has changed is that it is now easier to scroll because many mice have scrollwheels. On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 10:18 PM, Jared Spool [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Aug 26, 2008, at 12:39 PM, Robert M. Fein wrote: Does anyone know of a reputable (to ad

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Clients are funny

2008-08-26 Thread Marty DeAngelo
I wish I could share the screenshot but there's too much proprietary info on it. I understand that not everyone has their browser maximized, but 30% of a 800x600 screen (when their own standards are 1024x768) was what I got a chuckle out of. I doubt that many websites could be usable in a 240 x

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Clients are funny

2008-08-26 Thread mark schraad
There is plenty of anecdotal evidence that the fold is no longer an issue for user - and it is very old school thinking. The dreaded scroll avoidance of the 90's is for the most part over. The problem comes in that revenue partners and customers (particularly those who buy ad placements) are

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Clients are funny

2008-08-26 Thread Charles B. Kreitzberg
Seems to me that while users are more sophisticated about scrolling, it is just common sense to make certain that anything you want the user to see on initial view should be visible. My recent experience in user testing is that while users have developed expectations about how websites operate,

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Clients are funny

2008-08-26 Thread mark schraad
Well - I take what I see in the usability lab with a grain of salt. But I kept track for a half dozen days. Out of 39 respondents we brought in (various products being tested)... 36 scrolled to the bottom of the first page they were shown within the first 10 seconds. There is certainly some bias

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Clients are funny

2008-08-26 Thread Christine Boese
While I can agree that the fold may not be a barrier to users, I would argue that the fold remains a SERIOUS consideration for ad display rates and views, and in search results display. Whether or not users are ABLE to scroll and readily do so does not affect the power of the screen scan on

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Clients are funny

2008-08-26 Thread Santiago Bustelo
I lately discovered that I can understand both users and computers, but sometimes clients still elude me. -- Santiago Bustelo // icograma Buenos Aires, Argentina Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Clients are funny

2008-08-26 Thread Will Evans
sometimes it is best to cultivate clients in very much the same way one might cultivate - say - mushrooms. On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 3:50 PM, Santiago Bustelo [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: I lately discovered that I can understand both users and computers, but sometimes clients still elude me. --

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Clients are funny

2008-08-26 Thread Matthew Nish-Lapidus
with carefully measured amounts of sunlight, moisture, and manure? On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 4:16 PM, Will Evans [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: sometimes it is best to cultivate clients in very much the same way one might cultivate - say - mushrooms. On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 3:50 PM, Santiago Bustelo

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Clients are funny

2008-08-26 Thread Nick Gassman
On Mon, 25 Aug 2008 22:28:43 -0400, Paul wrote: These days, on the other hand, scrolling seems to be ingrained behavior for anyone with a mouse in their hand. In a web site design I tested last year, for example, the design offered two options for viewing a list of search results: via paging,

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Clients are funny

2008-08-26 Thread Nick Gassman
On Tue, 26 Aug 2008 12:11:43 -0400, Mark wrote: There is plenty of anecdotal evidence that the fold is no longer an issue for user - and it is very old school thinking. The dreaded scroll avoidance of the 90's is for the most part over. As I said, I have observed directly a number of times that

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Clients are funny

2008-08-26 Thread Robert M. Fein
[EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 5:11 PM Subject: Re: [IxDA Discuss] Clients are funny There is plenty of anecdotal evidence that the fold is no longer an issue for user - and it is very old school thinking. The dreaded scroll avoidance of the 90's is for the most

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Clients are funny

2008-08-26 Thread Nick Gassman
On Tue, 26 Aug 2008 12:38:29 -0400, Charles wrote: An interesting study that Ben Shneiderman just sent me indicates that users make aesthetic decisions about a page within 50-500 milliseconds. Talk about fast! There are all sorts of psychological studies using tachistoscopes, which flash up

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Clients are funny

2008-08-26 Thread mark schraad
Frankly, this is what I get paid for. On Aug 26, 2008, at 1:09 PM, Nick Gassman wrote: It's too easy for us to inject our own opinions in this business. Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Clients are funny

2008-08-26 Thread Alinta Thornton
: Wednesday, 27 August 2008 6:19 AM To: Will Evans Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [IxDA Discuss] Clients are funny with carefully measured amounts of sunlight, moisture, and manure? On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 4:16 PM, Will Evans [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: sometimes it is best to cultivate clients

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Clients are funny

2008-08-26 Thread Jared Spool
On Aug 26, 2008, at 12:39 PM, Robert M. Fein wrote: Does anyone know of a reputable (to ad buyers and marketers) usability report stating that users scroll? and that being below the fold doesn't hurt click thru or uptake (or at least much)? Don't know about it being reputable. But it's

[IxDA Discuss] Clients are funny

2008-08-25 Thread Marty DeAngelo
Just thought I would pass along this little treat. I got an email about an hour ago telling me that our client was concerned that the video player on one of our projects pages had controls that were 'below the fold', and the client was concerned it would cause user experience problems. I asked

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Clients are funny

2008-08-25 Thread Will Evans
:-) The Fold is s old media scrolling is the new black. On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 3:27 PM, Marty DeAngelo [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Just thought I would pass along this little treat. I got an email about an hour ago telling me that our client was concerned that the video player on one of

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Clients are funny

2008-08-25 Thread Nancy Broden
In my more jaded moments as a consultant I used say that there was only one user you needed to please: the CEO. I just prayed that s/he knew how to turn on their computer and what a browser was. On Aug 25, 2008, at 12:27 PM, Marty DeAngelo wrote: I got an email about an hour ago telling me

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Clients are funny

2008-08-25 Thread Matthew Nish-Lapidus
I used to work with people at an interactive agency who typed http://; manually every time they wanted to view a site... :/ Now, working with some public institutions, it's astounding to see how many people still have old 800x600 (or less) monitors... On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 4:03 PM, Nancy

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Clients are funny

2008-08-25 Thread Alexandra O'Neal
I have discovered that the fold has different levels of relevance according to the audience. For example, working for a tech company with an audience composed primarily of engineers, we discovered that so long as the information was easily navigable (anchored properly, etc.), users preferred a

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Clients are funny

2008-08-25 Thread FoongYeen Chan
Probably a good idea to add script such as auto maximize browser window to certain size when it is link and open up the page :) cheers, Donny Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... [EMAIL