Re: [IxDA Discuss] People are Used to it
Not exactly what you were looking for, but here is a new take on the remote. They removed the numbers and put in a touch pad. http://www.engadget.com/2009/01/08/echostars-new-dvr-ui-kills-the-number-pad-is-dead-long-live-th/ Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... disc...@ixda.org Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
Re: [IxDA Discuss] People are Used to it
For some reason it didn't go through the first time I sent it... This isn't exactly what you were looking for, but it is a new take on remotes. They removed the numbers and put in a touch pad. http://www.engadget.com/2009/01/08/echostars-new-dvr-ui-kills-the-number-pad-is-dead-long-live-th/ . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Posted from the new ixda.org http://www.ixda.org/discuss?post=36646 Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... disc...@ixda.org Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
Re: [IxDA Discuss] People are Used to it
Talking about what people are used to. Have you seen the latest Apple laptop? It has no keyboard whatsoever. Just a giant wheel Here you can see it in action http://user-experience.iterating.net/2009/01/apple-launches-laptop-no-keyboard/ . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Posted from the new ixda.org http://www.ixda.org/discuss?post=36646 Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... disc...@ixda.org Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
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I totally have one. It s*cks. Email me if you want to buy it for less than half retail. On Sat, Jan 10, 2009 at 8:41 PM, AlinutzaV al...@iterating.net wrote: Talking about what people are used to. Have you seen the latest Apple laptop? It has no keyboard whatsoever. Just a giant wheel Here you can see it in action http://user-experience.iterating.net/2009/01/apple-launches-laptop-no-keyboard/ . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Posted from the new ixda.org http://www.ixda.org/discuss?post=36646 Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... disc...@ixda.org Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... disc...@ixda.org Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
Re: [IxDA Discuss] People are Used to it
I can attest to the truth of Peter's comment: This isn't laziness as such, but a combination of: - siloed organizations - risk aversion The Philips TV is a good example, because I can pretty much guarantee that the designers of the TV software, TV hardware, and the remote control were in different teams, and coordinating their work was nearly impossible. When I was working on the UI for first Philips digital TVs, I once tried to persuade the folks in charge of labeling to inputs on the back of the set to coordinate the naming and arrangement with our team doing the on-screen UI and remote. The response was, and I quote: This isn't the UI. This is the back panel! - Jim Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... disc...@ixda.org Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
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See, this is one of the issues with big conversation on IxDA. EVENTUALLY, The people responsible for the actual examples are going to pop up and destroy all hope of retaining the example as a metaphor. Paul, Jim, If either of you thought to include the optometrist selection of TV settings. Kudos. My only real annoyance with my Philips TV is the lack of an aspect ratio button. With the often-wrong prediction of how I want to view my TV, I want an override. And there seem to be un-mapped red-blue-green-yellow buttons. outside the menu So maybe next-time you include it? Or maybe my TV is just bobo. I wanted to ground my example in something easy to think about and easy to understand instantly. And it did a good job. But what accounts for the same -kinds- of mistakes in the web world. Where the costs of these things are microscopic? . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Posted from the new ixda.org http://www.ixda.org/discuss?post=36646 Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... disc...@ixda.org Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
Re: [IxDA Discuss] People are Used to it
As to the RC issue from actuial experience with Philips (yes I am part of the crime) Indeed the truth is simple there are three factors in play: 1 costs are ruling decisions. The wheel is 10x more expensive than 2 buttons. And the majority of the consumers are not willing to pay more in the shop, no matter what they answer in surveys. (yes I am aware of all the research and we use it all the time in our arguments) 2 the issue is not an issue in Europe and quite a few countries elsewhere in the world where they can re-arrange channels into presets where typical users make their list of favorite 10 channels or so and they are all numbered 1 to 10. Hence brands focussed on a global market will put the channel hopping issue lower on the list of priorities. 3 time to market prioritization Unlike what is suggested the teams do talk in our organization ad we are aligned. Often time to market is an issue. As suggested above brands must bring out new products at regular intervals. Main problems and bug fixes are given priority. Picture quality and reception are the main differentiators on the shop floor so they get priority. And the changes to SW to get such a rotary behavior are not trivial. To re-assure you all it is not that 'we' did not think about it. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Posted from the new ixda.org http://www.ixda.org/discuss?post=36646 Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... disc...@ixda.org Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
Re: [IxDA Discuss] People are Used to it
The idea does make sense. I think what might prevent good adoption of something like this is the precision of a task... particularly in changing channels. Changing the volume of something doesn't require a high degree of precision. If you're off by 1 or 2 values, there's a level of error that people are willing to accept. I can see the same being said of changing values for hue, color, saturation, etc... However, the same doesn't apply to changing channels, where precision is extremely important. Missing a channel by more than is intended probably has a lower tolerance threshold than the other functions. If we were to ignore the precision aspect of changing channels, then other things need to be modified in order to improve the experience, like the time necessary to tune into a station. My general experience is that flatpanels and HDTVs seem to be slower to respond to changing channels than their old analog counterparts. If this is the case, then while the input control may have been improved, general experience won't be due to performance reasons. Sony had done something similar for some of their devices. It was used in a variety of ways, but I can't think of a Sony remote that ever used it for channel selection. It was on digital cameras, video cameras and on their PDA... on my old Clie, I don't ever remember using it... There might be some resistance to using this input device because people are used to standardized input interfaces. Unless they're forced to use a single selection methodology, it might be difficult to increase its acceptance. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Posted from the new ixda.org http://www.ixda.org/discuss?post=36646 Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... disc...@ixda.org Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
Re: [IxDA Discuss] People are Used to it
To add-on to Jared's reference, there are a number of articles in the Harvard Business Review related to usability, consumer research, etc. I wrote up a summary of some of the most relevant ones a couple of months ago - http://tinyurl.com/8q58hw Besides there educational/informational content, they can help bring business credibility to the user experience table (if it's needed). . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Posted from the new ixda.org http://www.ixda.org/discuss?post=36646 Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... disc...@ixda.org Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
Re: [IxDA Discuss] People are Used to it
In repeated posts, William Brall asked: What is the excuse for this? Other than that people are used to it? I think there are two factors at play. On the outside, they appear as the laziness that Jared identified, but I think it's something different. It's more of an organizational inertia, where it's simply easier to do nothing than do something new. This isn't laziness as such, but a combination of: - siloed organizations - risk aversion The Philips TV is a good example, because I can pretty much guarantee that the designers of the TV software, TV hardware, and the remote control were in different teams, and coordinating their work was nearly impossible. In order for a jog dial or click wheel to work, you'd need to coordinate across product groups that are likely currently siloed. Innovation requires busting down these walls, getting all teammembers who affect a product in the same room, at the outset. Risk aversion is a spin on the people are used to it sentiment. Trying something new introduces a greater degree of risk than sticking with what is standard, and is known to work. Trying something new consumes resources, and there's no guarantee it will work. In fact, most new things don't work. So risks must be justified, either as not being too expensive to try, or with the demonstration of a huge potential upside. William's lament is the reason it's so important for designers to understand and get involved in how their organization operates, and not be satisfied simply following others requirements. --peter Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... disc...@ixda.org Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
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Jared, This digital download is now the bestseller on Amazon. I suspect that it became so after your comment yesterday. Larry On Dec 27, 2008, at 11:00 AM, Jared Spool wrote: If you want to understand how consumers view features versus usability, I'd start with the Harvard Business Review article, Defeating Feature Fatigue. http://tinyurl.com/88phdp Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... disc...@ixda.org Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
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Oh, I'd love to think I have that much influence, but I fear it's a bestseller because it's a good piece. :) How are you doing? I hope the recent Yahoo! personnel changes worked out the way you'd hope. Jared On Dec 28, 2008, at 11:22 AM, Larry Tesler wrote: Jared, This digital download is now the bestseller on Amazon. I suspect that it became so after your comment yesterday. Larry On Dec 27, 2008, at 11:00 AM, Jared Spool wrote: If you want to understand how consumers view features versus usability, I'd start with the Harvard Business Review article, Defeating Feature Fatigue. http://tinyurl.com/88phdp Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... disc...@ixda.org Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
Re: [IxDA Discuss] People are Used to it
It is good to have the kind of free conversation and transference of ideas we've had in this thread. I picked the remote control idea because it is easy to wrap your head around. And so most of the conversation has been about physical products. But I've seen the same reluctance to embrace new ideas and concepts and enhancements even on websites. Where new features are rolled out once a month or week, but simple enhancements are poo pooed. Take news sites for example. The vast majority of them still focus on their front page more heavily than their article pages. Even when the numbers clearly show that 99% or more of their visitors enter through the article page. And a large percentage never make it to the front page even if they progress beyond that one page. A larger emphasis on how to move from one article to another the reader would be interested in would be wise. But these sections tend to play catchup with other sites at best. Take http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/05/24/AR2008052400036.html for example. The best targeted set of links on this article page are the google ads. And there is one link at the bottom of the page to a story about how lame Playstation Home is. With two small headlines for more game related items. (Clearly, the story is tagged with games and that is it.) This is generally the norm. Why haven't news sites figured out what Amazon has? That even many blogs have figured out? And still, I click the link to go to their main site, and the ONE thing they know about me, that I care about the wii, is irrelevant to them. Their front page could have been told via session cookie where I had just been. Known the last 8 articles I saw were all about games, and made the front page mostly about games, with the main headlines to keep me situationally aware. So if there were a terrorist attack, I wouldn't just be told about Playstation Home. What is the excuse for this? Other than that people are used to it? . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Posted from the new ixda.org http://www.ixda.org/discuss?post=36646 Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... disc...@ixda.org Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
Re: [IxDA Discuss] People are Used to it
I agree that it's lazy business practise. It's the same thing we see all the time in our industry, in all industries. It's the good enough for now phenomenon, and it piggy-backs on the don't know what I'm missing mentality. Since most people are passive consumers, if what they have is working well enough, they don't tend to spend any time envisioning how it *might* be better. For businesses, the highest ROI comes from innovating in new areas, rather than improving existing ones that have been working well enough. How often do we see this in our own work? How much time do you spend improving established areas of your software or web sites that are working for users, versus implementing new functionality? Most of us have a backlog full of things we would love to improve, and plan to get around to... eventually... during that magical release cycle when we don't have anything new to design or implement. I look around my home and see so many things that I would have expected to be so much better by now, so much more elegant or automated; the technology to make all of these improvements has been around for many years, and in most cases the changes would be cheap to design and implement. This is a topic that has always riled me up - which is probably why I'm a designer. ;) But in all honesty, would *I* buy that new smart refrigerator or (finally!) usable remote control? Probably... eventually... but what I have is working well enough for now. It took me several years to hop on the Roomba bandwagon, and next to my iPhone, that's one of my favourite gadgets I've ever owned. I'd love to get some of your thoughts on how - and if - we, as designers, can combat this mentality. Cheers, Sylvania User Experience Designer TechSmith Corp. Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... disc...@ixda.org Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
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Still, we aren't talking about roomba or iPhone. Both of which are substantial costs. We are talking about enhancements that could be free, or in the case of remote technology, almost unnoticeable to the consumer. Since a company that developed such a remote, would add it to all their TVs and no one set of consumers would see the cost of its development. All they would see is a tool better able to handle 200 channels. I'm so far very impressed with my new Philips TV. It was cheaper than all the others too. Mainly because it is a little old and not 120 hertz and only has 3 HDMI inputs and so on. But aside from the strange missing aspect ratio button, it has a very well-thought-out remote/UI combo. I see your point about the small changes. But if they would really help people. If it would make your site more effective. You should do those things along side your new things. You should fix what will stay and add new things. If you aren't fixing what is staying, you'll just eventually cut that feature out when you decide it isn't effective. When all along it was because you neglected to fix it. In other words. Brings a axiom about Noses and Faces to mind. The fact is, the remote as it is forces a choice between 3 conditions for the user. One in which he must press up from channel 15 to channel 255. A second, where they must remember that the channel they want is on 255. And a third (one I use) where a user must guess a close enough number, for me it is 222, and then move around from there. I chose the third option because that is around the middle of the HD channels, and I don't always know what I want. I look at the guide. (In this case the one Tivo gives me) Now I realize that speeding up tivo is a bitch. But the whole reason channel guides on cable and tivo boxes exist at all is because the TV itself is woefully incapable of dealing with user's desires. So something else 'good enough' replaced it. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Posted from the new ixda.org http://www.ixda.org/discuss?post=36646 Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... disc...@ixda.org Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
Re: [IxDA Discuss] People are Used to it
On Fri, Dec 26, 2008 at 12:08 PM, William Brall dam...@earthlink.netwrote: So you are saying that having a remote that is cheaper and will last longer than my LCD TV is likely to last, is more important than ease of use and speed? To you obviously not. And yes to a manufacturer useability and hyper longevity it's far lower in the food chain. Churn happens: To keep up with the competition, supply chain, trends/style, TV manufacturer's (like auto manufacterers) typically have to create new models every year, regardless or not if the there are any significant upgrades. Design is disposable, closed source, created with small design teams and budgets. Unlike the mobile/web industry I'm not sure if things are getting dramatically better, I don't regularly watch TV. Penny's Count. Manufacturer's gamble each time they put a new unit out there, they don't know what is going to sell, what the competition has going for it. When you are dealing with mass manufacturing of millions of units, penny's add up. For each TV they typically design a remote to go with it. So if something costs $1 or $1.50 makes a huge difference as the manufacturer have to pony up this money up front, and may not see a profit on many of them ever, multiple this across dozens to hundreds of models... Consumers Don't Care. Most consumers in the show room most likely do not pick a TV based on the remote, if they even get to see one. The buy based on screen size, appearance and cost first, and will probably live with anything. Jog wheels in VCR's were a trend, but it's not something I see on most DVD remotes, despite both navigating a linear timeline, possibly because VCR's can record *shrugs*. From a manufacterer's position, I doubt there is a huge difference between the good or badness of design of a remote and the sales of a unit, so it makes sense to not gamble. Having worked on some ITV projects, the problem for applying the mouse scrolling paradigm extends deeper when you have the intelligence on the backend of cable box. The bandwidth downstream is high, but upstream is tiny, and only suited for high latency events like infrequent button presses. So you can't play pong. Some set top boxes do have enough intelligence to support mice/trackballs but these are the minority and usually cost at a premium. Anyway if you feel it's that important, aftermarket parts (including remotes) are a large market, go design a remote control and sell it. Get a job in the industry and attempt to change it. Stop using your remote as a lightsaber, get a wii or a real lightsaber instead. Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... disc...@ixda.org Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
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On Dec 27, 2008, at 1:49 PM, Troy Gardner wrote: Consumers Don't Care. Most consumers in the show room most likely do not pick a TV based on the remote, if they even get to see one. The buy based on screen size, appearance and cost first, and will probably live with anything. Jog wheels in VCR's were a trend, but it's not something I see on most DVD remotes, despite both navigating a linear timeline, possibly because VCR's can record *shrugs*. From a manufacterer's position, I doubt there is a huge difference between the good or badness of design of a remote and the sales of a unit, so it makes sense to not gamble. Your position is a commonly held myth. There's been a slew of research on this. (It's a huge area in behavioral economics.) If you want to understand how consumers view features versus usability, I'd start with the Harvard Business Review article, Defeating Feature Fatigue. http://tinyurl.com/88phdp Jared Jared M. Spool User Interface Engineering 510 Turnpike St., Suite 102, North Andover, MA 01845 e: jsp...@uie.com p: +1 978 327 5561 http://uie.com Blog: http://uie.com/brainsparks Twitter: jmspool Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... disc...@ixda.org Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
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People are used to it is a horrible excuse for just about anything. And I doubt many people would argue that point. That aside, when examining the usability of anything, it is important to understand people's goals. Are people interested in quickly scrolling through channels? Are people interested in browsing through the channels one at a time to see what the options are? Or are people frequently bypassing the TV's channel changing system because of cable boxes, satellites, TiVo, and whatever other systems are out there? I'll admit that I haven't owned a TV in several years, but I liked clicking through the channels to see what was on and it sounds as though the click wheel would complicate the way in which I did that. How well can people with limited dexterity interact with mouse-wheel-like-dials? Television remotes are used by a huge range of people, with differing physical capabilities. Would wheels exclude part of the target population? I really don't know the answer to that question, I'd be curious if someone could shed light on that topic. There probably are better options than the current one. I don't particularly have any suggestions though, but the problem is not quite as simple as it may initially seem. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Posted from the new ixda.org http://www.ixda.org/discuss?post=36646 Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... disc...@ixda.org Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
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On Dec 25, 2008, at 11:34 AM, William Brall wrote: I can't be the first person to think of this. Why isn't this the norm? Is it only because of the People are Used to it' mantra? Or is there more to it then that? Can you think of more examples? I think it's lazy business practice. Evidence suggests that profits lie elsewhere: This shift in consumer preference to the cheaper electronic device could well be a reaction to the recession. But it isn’t the same as the consumer suddenly, and consciously, reaching for the house brand of creamed corn instead of the one with the Jolly Green Giant on the label. It is not just the economics of a shopping-fatigued nation at work here. Consumers found the simple devices, which don’t need instruction manuals to set up and use, more appealing. -- NYTimes, The Year of the Simpler Gadget 12/20/2008 http://is.gd/dEvC Jared Jared M. Spool User Interface Engineering 510 Turnpike St., Suite 102, North Andover, MA 01845 e: jsp...@uie.com p: +1 978 327 5561 http://uie.com Blog: http://uie.com/brainsparks Twitter: jmspool Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... disc...@ixda.org Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
[IxDA Discuss] People are Used to it
This phrase has become the mantra of amature interaction designers and of the electronic product industry in general. It is the road block in the way of new and better ways to control our systems. It even prevents logical enhancements to our otherwise well-designed products. Take the new philips HDTVs. At least the one I have has put a lot of thought into their remote and UI. To set the colors it shows you a bunch of photos in split screen and asks you which looks best. It has a minimal amount of buttons on the remote. (although they missed a switch aspect ratio button which is about the most-used non-core functions on a TV) They even have a input source system that lets you more quickly switch between the 15 inputs by not switching channels right away and letting you up and down arrow through the list. However, here is where they missed the mark. I can change the labels on those inputs, I can change the labels on the channels too. It even handles collisions from multiple sources with x.1 x.2 x.3 channels. But with all these hundreds of options. I am stuck the same chan upchan down idiom that has always been on remotes. I'm not an industrial designer. But even I was able to think up a much better alternative. Replace the volume and channel buttons with mouse-wheel-like dials. And in the case of the channels, pop up a list of them like a cable-box channel guide and let me dial through them. The snap-to feeling of the wheel will give me a rough estimate of how many I've passed, and if it requires I depress the wheel to go to a channel, then I will have saved a lot of time and frustration. You could even use a wheel that can jog to one side or the other and use the side motion to traverse a menu. Or for volume. I've actually had a TV where the remote had a wheel for the menu. It even depressed. So I know there are no technological concerns preventing it. I can't be the first person to think of this. Why isn't this the norm? Is it only because of the People are Used to it' mantra? Or is there more to it then that? Can you think of more examples? Will Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... disc...@ixda.org Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
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Hi, Philips does have a rotary remote technology which specifically addresses the issues you mentioned above. This might be helpful: http://www.remotecontrol.philips.com/index.cfm?id=1581 Regards . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Posted from the new ixda.org http://www.ixda.org/discuss?post=36646 Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... disc...@ixda.org Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
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My TV didn't come with it. Also, the blurb doesn't mention it being a replacement for chan-up and chan-down. But, doesn't really make my point moot. If they are just NOW coming out with it. Why didn't it become the standard 10 or 20 years ago? . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Posted from the new ixda.org http://www.ixda.org/discuss?post=36646 Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... disc...@ixda.org Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .. http://www.ixda.org/help
