Re: [slim] Sound quality difference CD player vs SB3 FLAC playback?

2008-04-13 Thread ModelCitizen
If either of you guys have a Receiver it's be interesting to know if you experience the same perceived difference in sound quality. As we are talking about MP3/Lossless comparisons, I have the file mentioned in this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32576, and would be quite

Re: [slim] Sound quality difference CD player vs SB3 FLAC playback?

2008-04-13 Thread Limitless
I have my SB going direct to my Denon AVP5000 pre-amp via Wireworld Super Nova 5+ toslink cable. The cable is a high end (polished ends) fiber optic cable, this sounds best to me. Better than the digital coax out of the SB to my pcs' (XiFi Elite Pro) sound card. I have what's considered gourmet

Re: [slim] Sound quality difference CD player vs SB3 FLAC playback?

2008-04-01 Thread mats_rickard
RadioClash;277420 Wrote: There are settings within the slimserver that will effect sound quality... _Exactly_ which settings affect sound quality? Where do I find these settings and which values should be assigned? (I have browsed around the forum but haven't found such a list of settings)

Re: [slim] Sound quality difference CD player vs SB3 FLAC playback?

2008-04-01 Thread radish
mats_rickard;286013 Wrote: _Exactly_ which settings affect sound quality? Where do I find these settings and which values should be assigned? (I have browsed around the forum but haven't found such a list of settings) Best regards / Rickard The only things I can think of that would

Re: [slim] Sound quality difference CD player vs SB3 FLAC playback?

2008-04-01 Thread Mnyb
radish;286080 Wrote: Bitrate limiting (should be off) ReplayGain/SmartGain (also off) Digital volume control (should be fixed) I agree, I cant hear any substantial difference between my MeridianG98DH and the SB3 ? if set upp like this. Replay gain has a bug that could end up in

Re: [slim] Sound quality difference CD player vs SB3 FLAC playback?

2008-03-11 Thread SilverRS8
dwilliams01;277468 Wrote: I've got a Dennon DVD 3910 and when I first got my SB3 I did some side-by-side and blind tests. I made sure that the player had processing turned off by using the Direct and Pure Direct modes. There seemed to be a difference between normal and the direct modes of

Re: [slim] Sound quality difference CD player vs SB3 FLAC playback?

2008-03-09 Thread SilverRS8
Phil Leigh;277294 Wrote: Presumably running in high quality mode? What CD player are you using? I'm 99% sure about the high quality mode but i'll check on that. Thx for the tip. The CD player is a Denon 2910. -- SilverRS8 Author of -'AlbumCatalogCreator'

Re: [slim] Sound quality difference CD player vs SB3 FLAC playback?

2008-03-09 Thread DrNic
SilverRS8;277302 Wrote: I'm 99% sure about the high quality mode but i'll check on that. Thx for the tip. The CD player is a Denon 2910. Hi, Not shooting your ears down here, but that isn't even a dedicated *CD* transport!! A multi-purpose DVD player, with a reasonable good DAC. Had good

Re: [slim] Sound quality difference CD player vs SB3 FLAC playback?

2008-03-09 Thread SilverRS8
DrNic;277365 Wrote: Hi, Not shooting your ears down here, but that isn't even a dedicated *CD* transport!! A multi-purpose DVD player, with a reasonable good DAC. Had good reviews in What Hi-Fi SV over here, but by no means a critical player of CD's It is most likely that the Denon is

Re: [slim] Sound quality difference CD player vs SB3 FLAC playback?

2008-03-09 Thread RadioClash
SilverRS8;276878 Since everything is digital up until the Receiver, why does the original CD have more 'body' and a little more detail? Frank[/QUOTE Wrote: There are settings within the slimserver that will effect sound quality. Even the specific firmware being used has an effect.

Re: [slim] Sound quality difference CD player vs SB3 FLAC playback?

2008-03-09 Thread dwilliams01
I've got a Dennon DVD 3910 and when I first got my SB3 I did some side-by-side and blind tests. I made sure that the player had processing turned off by using the Direct and Pure Direct modes. There seemed to be a difference between normal and the direct modes of the player (it was doing

Re: [slim] Sound quality difference CD player vs SB3 FLAC playback?

2008-03-09 Thread DrNic
SilverRS8;277384 Wrote: I never said I had a audiophile CD player and although a reasonable good DAC it isn't used here because I use the DAC of the receiver. I was just wondering where the sound difference comes from and didn't expect CD players or multi purpose DVD players to tweak the

Re: [slim] Sound quality difference CD player vs SB3 FLAC playback?

2008-03-09 Thread iPhone
SilverRS8;276878 Wrote: What i've always wondered; How can there be a difference in sound quality when I play a CD or play the same ripped CD using the Squeezebox in .flac format? When using analogue outputs I could reason this but in both cases digital outputs are used hence both devices

Re: [slim] Sound quality difference CD player vs SB3 FLAC playback?

2008-03-09 Thread Phil Leigh
iPhone;277481 Wrote: The one thing that I believe nobody has addressed yet is how are you controlling volume? When doing a side by side versus a CD player, IMO, the volume on the SD product should be at maximum and the when using the digital out try the fixed setting. The CD player does not

Re: [slim] Sound quality difference CD player vs SB3 FLAC playback?

2008-03-09 Thread adamslim
jeffmeh;276996 Wrote: Also, be sure that you have matched the volume levels for the comparison. And if you really want to be certain, see if you can tell the difference in a blind comparison ducking for cover. Check for any replay gain too - this will cause the SB to be different volume to

[slim] Sound quality difference CD player vs SB3 FLAC playback?

2008-03-08 Thread SilverRS8
What i've always wondered; How can there be a difference in sound quality when I play a CD or play the same ripped CD using the Squeezebox in .flac format? When using analogue outputs I could reason this but in both cases digital outputs are used hence both devices using the same (receiver) DAC.

Re: [slim] Sound quality difference CD player vs SB3 FLAC playback?

2008-03-08 Thread Teus de Jong
The only thing I can think of is that the configuration of file formats is wrong (and as an effect FLAC is converted to MP3) To check this, in SqueezeCenter, go to Settings Advanced File Types. Make sure that at the FLAC entry MP3 is disabled (I also disabled WAV, because I want my Transporter

Re: [slim] Sound quality difference CD player vs SB3 FLAC playback?

2008-03-08 Thread mrfantasy
The digital path before the amp could theoretically make a difference. My Squeezebox sounds better than my CD player (cheap Panasonic CD-DVD changer). The conventional wisdom is that the Squeezebox should outperform any mid-range CD player, and some more expensive ones. -- mrfantasy --Mike

Re: [slim] Sound quality difference CD player vs SB3 FLAC playback?

2008-03-08 Thread SilverRS8
mrfantasy;276901 Wrote: The digital path before the amp could theoretically make a difference. My Squeezebox sounds better than my CD player (cheap Panasonic CD-DVD changer). The conventional wisdom is that the Squeezebox should outperform any mid-range CD player, and some more expensive

Re: [slim] Sound quality difference CD player vs SB3 FLAC playback?

2008-03-08 Thread ceejay
SilverRS8;276904 Wrote: But if the digital path before the amp makes a difference, this would mean bits are changed in this path which I find difficult to believe for digital information, otherwise the sound should be the same. Right? Nope. Read about jitter here and elsewhere. Ceejay.

Re: [slim] Sound quality difference CD player vs SB3 FLAC playback?

2008-03-08 Thread bobkoure
If you're using an optical SPDIF, try a wire one. You could also try swapping from wire to optical (or vice-versa) with the CD player, just to see what that does. -- bobkoure bobkoure's Profile:

Re: [slim] Sound quality difference CD player vs SB3 FLAC playback?

2008-03-08 Thread jeffmeh
Also, be sure that you have matched the volume levels for the comparison. And if you really want to be certain, see if you can tell the difference in a blind comparison ducking for cover. -- jeffmeh jeffmeh's Profile:

Re: [slim] Sound quality difference CD player vs SB3 FLAC playback?

2008-03-08 Thread SilverRS8
bobkoure;276934 Wrote: If you're using an optical SPDIF, try a wire one. You could also try swapping from wire to optical (or vice-versa) with the CD player, just to see what that does. Already tried a lot of options including swapping SPDIF/Coaxial but the CD player keeps sounding better. I

Re: [slim] Sound quality difference CD player vs SB3 FLAC playback?

2008-03-08 Thread Phil Leigh
How were the FLAC files created? What ripping software did you use? -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal...SB3+Stontronics PSU - Altmann JISCO/UPCI - TACT RCS 2.2X with Good Vibrations S/W - MF X-DAC V3/X-PSU/X-10

Re: [slim] Sound quality difference CD player vs SB3 FLAC playback?

2008-03-08 Thread SilverRS8
Phil Leigh;277289 Wrote: How were the FLAC files created? What ripping software did you use? I used EAC. -- SilverRS8 Author of -'AlbumCatalogCreator' (http://www.vanholt.nl/acc/acc.htm)- for SqueezeCenter SlimServer