You can use Tor and Privoxy. So far I have found this to be very slow
and unreliable, so not an ideal solution, plus it forces all web radio
through the proxy too. Ideally you just want a single service using
this proxy. And lastly, if the squeezenetwork passes any clear text
usernames and
Well I have been trying to pay them money but they refuse my money
because I am outside the US.
same holds true for many online music retailers and most paid online
radio.
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Musketeer;345531 Wrote:
I'm trying to understand who exactly is winning by closing off access
and preventing willing customers like me from paying for these
services. If anyone perhaps its me??
Problem is that licensing rights are regional. Different entities can
own the rights to songs
lhmperth;345826 Wrote:
I know that SqueezeCenter lets you set up a proxy now... if only I
can find a way to make that work to stream Pandora via a US proxy
server... any suggestions?
I have a Personal VPN account with Witopia that gives me VPN access
through their US servers (
damager;331228 Wrote:
Agreed - I used to think Subscription Services users were crazy as I
built my ultimate mp3 collection. Then I signed up for Rhapsody just
to give it a try - and I'm hooked. Everything is there, the shared
playlists are great, and I don't have to acquire / catalog /
I was pleased to see Pandora is doing some kind of roadshow. So maybe
this is a good sign? I plan to attend and I've run into other people
here in Des Moines that plan to see what is happening with this music
service.
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Join me for a Pandora Get-together in Des Moines!
Hi, itÂ’s Tim
Yeah, everybody's excited about the last.fm radio, and pandora, and what
not- and, sure, they're great features! It's always best to have more
choices.
That being said, there's no reason to use anything but rhapsody. Full
library- channels (radio stations). You can even create your own
stations
FredFredrickson;331213 Wrote:
That being said, there's no reason to use anything but rhapsody.
Well, there is... if you don't live in the US. Others have to make do
with last.fm (in UK or Germany) or nothing at all (other countries).
Consider yourself lucky to have the choice! ;-)
Agreed - I used to think Subscription Services users were crazy as I
built my ultimate mp3 collection. Then I signed up for Rhapsody just
to give it a try - and I'm hooked. Everything is there, the shared
playlists are great, and I don't have to acquire / catalog / tag /
store / backup music
simbo;331223 Wrote:
Well, there is... if you don't live in the US. Others have to make do
with last.fm (in UK or Germany) or nothing at all (other countries).
Consider yourself lucky to have the choice! ;-)
What he said. Other countries outside the US are available (if you're
listening
I think the subscription model like Rhapsody uses is the way to go.
Give full access to the entire catalog as long as you pay your monthly
subscription.$12.99/month for full access to a VAST catalog in
(very) good quality sound seems like a bargain to me.
I really hope Rhapsody stays in
iPhone;330477 Wrote:
Please tell me that there is a crystal ball in your home? What start-up
can foresee that in the middle of the game somebody decides to change
the rules that will put your business and any model of that business,
Out of Business?
Most startups not only experience one or
pfarrell;330486 Wrote:
Silly boy. The RIAA, which is just a front for the big five labels,
wrote the DMCA law, which effectively outlaws anything that doesn't
give
the labels lots of money.
By your use of language, it isn't clear to me that you understand what
a front is. The RIAA is
Goodsounds;330526 Wrote:
Paying for something that you then give away for free is not a business
model. I don't care what you pay for it, advertising will not support
the giveaway.
Hmm. So not TV anymore, no Radio, no Google,... they all pay a LOT for
stuff they're giving away for free to
Nonreality;330519 Wrote:
I know you are older than your picture. :) Darn, I'm too dumb to find a
good sound link for you. It would be perfect. :)
Ha ha ha, that's my son and many years ago. The perfect song for me is
*any* old song by Traffic.
Still a rubber biscuit doesn't sound
Goodsounds wrote:
By your use of language, it isn't clear to me that you understand what
a front is. The RIAA is the recording industry lobbying
organization. Every industry has one, there's nothing special about
them relative to the hundreds of others.
The RIAA is a front/lobbying group
Nonreality;330518 Wrote:
Where does it say that they aren't getting paid for it?
As I pointed out, Pandora on Squeezenetwork and the iPhone is both
ad-free and subscription fee free. These outlets don't create any
revenue yet they still have to pay the licensing/royalty fees. Hence,
giving
Does Pandora on SN still work after the 30day trial?
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bonze;330628 Wrote:
Does Pandora on SN still work after the 30day trial?
Mine converted automatically.
Howard
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pfarrell;330588 Wrote:
Goodsounds wrote:
By your use of language, it isn't clear to me that you understand
what
a front is. The RIAA is the recording industry lobbying
organization. Every industry has one, there's nothing special about
them relative to the hundreds of others.
The
toby10 wrote:
RIAA has deep pockets, Internet Radio stations (and
those lobbying on their behalf, I presume) barely have enough $$$ to
pay their bills.
Correct.
What I think I understand: RIAA charges nothing to OTA AM/FM
broadcasters, very little to XM/Sirius (based on revenues number
Toby,
Your outline of the lobbying landscape is exactly right. Other
constituencies affected by these developments are welcome to do their
own lobbying, although it would seem most have chosen not to, or have
not done so very effectively. The loudest voice gets heard.
I have only been following
pfarrell;330665 Wrote:
It seems
the established artists, for the most part, are rather silent on the
issue. I'd guess they either side with the RIAA or are afraid to
say
anything to upset the RIAA.[/color]
Established artists are under contract to the major labels.
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toby10 wrote:
Established artists are under contract to the major labels.
Which is why, I suspect, the major artists are pretty much silent on
the issue.
I suspect that is the reason as well.
Its fairly clear that the record label model that has worked from the
1950s up until recently is just
Goodsounds;330671 Wrote:
Toby,
Your outline of the lobbying landscape is exactly right. Other
constituencies affected by these developments are welcome to do their
own lobbying, although it would seem most have chosen not to, or have
not done so very effectively. The loudest voice gets
Howard Passman;330633 Wrote:
Mine converted automatically.
I meant - is it still free after 30 days?
I was using it when it worked in the UK, but after 30 days there was a
subscription to pay.
Reading through the previous posts in this thread, it seems Pandora is
now free for SN users. ??
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Another effect of all this is the elimination of the small dogs and some
of the almost big dogs. It will come down to just a few choices for the
consumer and the control will be complete again. Some people say who
cares about Pandora I like lastfm better. Well if they become the
only game
bonze;330719 Wrote:
I meant - is it still free after 30 days?
I was using it when it worked in the UK, but after 30 days there was a
subscription to pay.
Reading through the previous posts in this thread, it seems Pandora is
now free for SN users. ??Yes it is free now. It sounds like
It would be very sad if they close doors down. I can't listen to it
right now, but they have such a great base system. If they close down,
I hope they release the information they have gathered over the years
(the identification of the music and such, a.k.a. the Music Genome
Project)
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Nonreality;330213 Wrote:
I don't think that their job is just to introduce you to new music. It
does play music that it feels is similar to what you have as a seed.
You expect perfection and it's not. I get all kinds of music on mine
not just RIAA and it does introduce me to new stuff that
Goodsounds;330116 Wrote:
I agree that the music royalty playing field ought to be level. The
current situation is beyond broken, but unfortunately it is caught up
in a process that is more political than rational. So who knows when
and how any change happens.
But a deeper problem is at
iPhone wrote:
The DOJ should get off its rear and finally do something about the RIAA
and Sound Exchange unfair monopoly practices. Sound Exchange should be
required by Congress to change their name to No Sound or Silent
Exchange!
Silly boy. The RIAA, which is just a front for the big five
iPhone;330477 Wrote:
Please tell me that there is a crystal ball in your home? What start-up
can foresee that in the middle of the game somebody decides to change
the rules that will put your business and any model of that business,
Out of Business? Tell me that? No business can absorb a
jsprag;330490 Wrote:
Are we reading the same article? The fees are going from 8/100th of a
cent per song per listener to 19/100th of a cent. Works out to a 137%
increase so I'm not sure where you get your 700% figure from.
In any case, I think Goodsounds is right on the money. They are
Howard Passman;330261 Wrote:
...I really like Pandora more for the older stuff. I set up old RR,
Motown, blues, etc.. It's ended up causing me to buy a bunch of old
stuff that I would have never remembered and purchased.
Whatsa rubber biscuit anyway :-)
I know you are older than your
Great. I finally start using Pandora and now, today, I see an article
in the Washington Post that the founder, Tim Westergren, said he may
have to pull the plug. Seems that services like Pandora and Rhapsody
pay double the fees for copyright of what radio stations pay and those
fees are eating
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/08/15/AR2008081503367.html
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Link to article in the Washington Post:
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Howard Passman;330007 Wrote:
Great. I finally start using Pandora and now, today, I see an article
in the Washington Post that the founder, Tim Westergren, said he may
have to pull the plug. Seems that services like Pandora and Rhapsody
pay double the fees for copyright of what radio
This again is why traditional labels are so out of touch. Pandora
introduces so many artists to people who may start buying music. They
are only interested in the immediate and not the long term. It's a sad
state of affairs but maybe one that is necessary to finally kill the the
current
I just tracked down the home page of Sound Exchange, the industry
copyright group that is driving all this. The only general email they
list is below, with their other contact info. At bottom is the text of
the email I just sent to them. All aboard...
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
1121 Fourteenth Street NW
I agree that the music royalty playing field ought to be level. The
current situation is beyond broken, but unfortunately it is caught up
in a process that is more political than rational. So who knows when
and how any change happens.
But a deeper problem is at work. Pandora has a revenue and
What a shame it would be for Pandora to have to pull the plug. Oh the
power of greed...urg (or ugh!) indeed!!
And to hide behind the interest of the artists is shameful. The amount
of exposure something like Pandora gives artists is unparalleled.
It will be a sad sad day if Pandora has to
Fleury;330097 Wrote:
I just tracked down the home page of Sound Exchange, the industry
copyright group that is driving all this. The only general email they
list is below, with their other contact info. At bottom is the text of
the email I just sent to them. All aboard...
[EMAIL
Goodsounds;330116 Wrote:
Pandora has a revenue and business model problem, the article
acknowledges this is their main focus. Most venture-backed start-ups
don't have 8 years (as Pandora apparently has had) to get to any
semblance of break-even, the plug gets pulled much sooner.
And they've
peterw;330205 Wrote:
And they've had almost a year and a half to figure out a response to the
SoundExchange rate increase:
http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33447
Pandora's such a nice idea, but its suggestions have always struck me
as heavily weighted toward RIAA stuff I've
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