Hi, had an odd thing today, I was streaming radio and using BroadVoice
at the same time. It was probably a fluke, but I would have around 2
minutes plus of phone time and the VOIP would poop out. It happened 3
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>Yes - Linkstation was one of our testing boxes. It should run fine.
It is running fine for me.
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The problem is only when playing in sync
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Subject: Re: [slim] Softsqueeze 2.0b3 trouble
Neil Coburn wrote:
>when I click on the properties in Softsqueeze it says it's
kdf wrote:
Quoting radish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
I'd also be interested in anything Slim could come up with in the
handheld market. Until then however, I can strongly recommend the Rio
Karma to the typical Slim customer. Some points:
It's approaching EOL (sadly) but that means there are some excell
No, there is no way to delete tracks from the interface.
You can 'zap' a song by holding down the add button while the song is
playing. This will move the song to a playlist called Zapped Songs that
you can refer to later.
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Quoting street_samurai <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> Hello all,
>
> I've recently ripped my entire music collection to FLAC and I'm
> planning on getting a Squeezebox in the next few days.
>
> While the majority of my collection is the most emmaculate tracks ever
> written to CD, there are a few tracks
Hello all,
I've recently ripped my entire music collection to FLAC and I'm
planning on getting a Squeezebox in the next few days.
While the majority of my collection is the most emmaculate tracks ever
written to CD, there are a few tracks (here and there) that simply
stink. Often these tracks a
I've seen things like that as well: slimserver displaying information
that wasn't there in my ID3 v2.3 tags. I tracked that down to
differing ID3 v1.x tags in the files. After removing all v1.x tags
from my mp3 files (and leaving only the "real" v2.3 tags) and a "wipe
cache" all was fine again.
Al
I just got my SB2 today, and it's quite happy talking to my Meridian
861 (coax S/PDIF). And it sounds great too. So at least it doesn't
seem to be a wide spread problem. I'm also not in the affected mac
address range, so perhaps that does explain what demoleon is
experiencing.
-michael
relen
Dean and others,
Update. I boxed Belkin for return and my good old D-Link 614 put back
in. SB1 is connected instantly everytime I re-power it. No loss of
connection. It seems that Belkin Pre-N has some problems in certain
surroundings (i.e. Linksys router is in the vicinity).
Now I got notic
Aaron,
Thanks. It has been awhile since I used it, but I believe the two
things that required 'work' were dropouts (the SliMP3 would loose its
connection to rapshody) and the second was just with Rhapsody itself
(my browser would bug out and there tech support was no help at all).
I am sure it i
Quoting rkb0378 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> Sometimes the screensaver does not turn on when nothings is playing.
> Should I be concerned about the SB2 have screen burn-in?
>
the quick answer is, no you shouldn't.
While it is, in theory, possible for a VFD to burn-in, it does take a very long
time.
Sometimes the screensaver does not turn on when nothings is playing.
Should I be concerned about the SB2 have screen burn-in?
Thanks
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reposting for JayNYC...
JayNYC <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Michael, did not get your post.
...
JayNYC <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Thank you for the fast reply. Is Fast Forward with FLAC using
> cue-sheets for entire albums going to be hardware dependent (ie:
> Squeezebox 3) or firmware de
kdf Wrote:
> I'd certainly second that. It does need a way to kill the power,
> however, for
> those times when you make a sudden movement and send the hard drive
> into
> lockup. So far, I can only hope it eventually gets unlocked, or wait
> for the
> battery to run down.
>
Tried a reset? Th
http://www.thinkgeek.com/electronics/audio/6cd8/
Shows as in stock.
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A pony might be easier but..how about a portable player with limited
local storage (big buffer/cache) and a 3G or better celular connection
to stream from slimserver. Service charges might kill you that would
truly be a portable squeezebox. The worlds first celular streaming MP3
player, or a pony
JJZolx Wrote:
> Why would Slim Devices even be interested in entering this crowded
> market? Portable devices have little in common with the Squeezebox, so
> there's very little technology for them leverage against the dozens of
> companies already flooding the field.
Plus, the real competitive
Why would Slim Devices even be interested in entering this crowded
market? Portable devices have little in common with the Squeezebox, so
there's very little technology for them leverage against the dozens of
companies already flooding the field.
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So I was reading about this new D-Link player that supports Windows
Media Connect, and the WMC stuff actually looks a) kinda nifty, and b)
pretty obviously the future de facto standard for media devices
interfacing with Windows.
SlimServer is a great piece of software (especially in its
no-longer
That Sonic Impact T-Amp looks nice! Does anybody have a recommendation
for a power supply? And for some decent speakers while we're at it?
Seems to be hard to get though! PCMall showed it in stock yesterday,
out of stock today :-(
jan
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I am interested in a portable device but have not ventured with any
current products. Ipods are sexy but expensive a way too little battery
life (8 or so hours).
For me, I'd be looking for huge battery life - at least 20 hours
preferably a lot more & a large capacity. I guess any such potential
p
Everything that SB2 does but have video outs so I can play my mpeg and
other video files stored on my hard drive through TV.
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Quoting radish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> I'd also be interested in anything Slim could come up with in the
> handheld market. Until then however, I can strongly recommend the Rio
> Karma to the typical Slim customer. Some points:
> It's approaching EOL (sadly) but that means there are some excelle
You'll need the IP address of the computer running SlimServer. If that
IP address is, for example, 192.168.1.2 then use this URL:
http://192.168.1.2:9000/
You may also be able to use the name of the computer in place of the IP
address, but that depends on your network setup. Once you get it
w
On Apr 7, 2005, at 11:34 AM, JJ wrote:
I never saw a resolution to this thread regarding a grounding problem
on the coax digital out.
Are these problems (and fix) one and the same?
Probably. As Sean said, if you have this problem and your player has a
MAC address of 00:04:20:05:A3:FA or lower (
Bill et al,
Please try the attached plugin for SlimServer 6. Let me know if it
does not work.
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Archive.pm
Description: Perl program
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Only one processor. I'm away from home tonight; will do logs as requested
when I get home tomorrow...
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"Richard Titmuss" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> Neil Cameron wrote:
>
>>Any luck with the logs?
>>Is there any chance that this problem is related to
Hi everyone,
I have just added a wired Squeezebox2 to my other 3 Squeezeboxes, and
updated the firmware on all of them.
The Sound from the Squeezebox 2 is fantastic!
However I am now experiencing problems with the software:
Slimserver now most often works at slow and eratic pace on all units.
S
>I started a new thread to discuss it:
>http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?p=35133
>
I noticed that thanks - tried podcasting today for the first time.
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I'd also be interested in anything Slim could come up with in the
handheld market. Until then however, I can strongly recommend the Rio
Karma to the typical Slim customer. Some points:
* 20gb
* ~16 hour battery life
* Supports flac, vorbis, mp3, wma
* Fully parametric 5 band EQ
* Fantastic sound
The pony reference reminds me of an early Simpsons episode named
"Simpson and Delilah" It goes something like this:
Homer: [kindly] And what does my little girl want?
Lisa: An absence of mood swings and some stability in my life.
Homer: Uh... How about a pony?
Lisa: Okay!
It is one of my favorit
Thanks Dean,
I don't have any MP3 file, so I cannot compare.
Also, I don't have any other wireless devices, so I cannot comment
about it either.
But one thing I saw was, when re-powering the SB1, I do not see any
other wireless SSIDs, and SB1 cannot connect to the wireless network).
As I live i
davep said:
>
> Just got my SB2 today and dropped it straight in as a replacement for
> the SB1G which has been the main music source in my listening room for
> the past few months. All I can say is that I am VERY happy with the
> result
> [...]
> So I just wanted to say Thanks to the folks at Slim
Quoting Michael Herger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> On Mon, 11 Apr 2005 23:06:55 +0200, Peter J. Pouliot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
> > Bill, did you ever get a response back to this?
>
> I guess the plugin's author would know the best. His address is in the
> script code.
I believe that the Archiv
Ah, yes, I had actually forgotten what the requested feature even was! I've
enjoyed the humor, nonetheless.
"Marc Sherman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in
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> Aaron Zinck wrote:
> >
> > No, Max, I'm sure you're quite hip--the joke arose after it was
requested
> > that a
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On Mon, 11 Apr 2005 23:06:55 +0200, Peter J. Pouliot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
Bill, did you ever get a response back to this?
I guess the plugin's author would know the best. His address is in the
script code.
On Mon, 2005-03-14 at 10:19 -0800, Bill Moseley wrote:
I'm missing how to use the
rtitmuss Wrote:
> You should not get any dropouts with the latest version, unless your
> hardware is underpowered. What is the cpu usage like on the machine
> running Softsqueeze?
Ah, you may have me there. I've been spending a lot of time ripping
and encoding to FLAC recently. That said, I t
Bill, did you ever get a response back to this?
On Mon, 2005-03-14 at 10:19 -0800, Bill Moseley wrote:
> I'm missing how to use the Internet Archive plugin. I added
> Archive.pm to my Plugins directory and I can see it checked in the
> plugin server config setup, so the server has loaded it (I as
> You should not get any dropouts with the latest version, unless your
> hardware is underpowered. What is the cpu usage like on the machine
> running Softsqueeze?
2x Opteron 240, 2 GB RAM, doing nothing but Softsqueeze and Firefox
with Slimserver and a few other tabs open at the time - 0-3% cpu u
Christian Pernegger wrote:
I'm trying softsqueeze for the first time, and I definitely noticed a
few dropouts when playing FLAC. My version is the one included with
Slimserver 6.1 trunk, jre 1.5.0_01 with Firefox under Windows XP. The
computer is connected to the server over GigE. My actual sb2 is
Today I added "The Police - Live!" to my collection. I've tagged the
ALBUM as "Live!" in foobar2000, where it shows up correctly.
Slimserver sees it as "LIVE", though - i. e. all in caps and without
the ! at the end. Even recreating the db from scratch doesn't fix it.
(A similar bug has existed in
On Mon, 11 Apr 2005 22:23:50 +0200, Makus
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I'm using the touch skin on a 800x600 Simpad touchpad and want to modify
I wish I had one of those... still too expensive on ebay...
the skin to better fit on the low resolution screen. I have no
What about the Handheld skin?
p
max.spicer wrote:
Did you know that the title tag for the SoftSqueeze home page is still
set to Softsqueeze 1.0?
Thanks. I have just fixed that.
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> I know. Doesn't hurt to nudge them in the right direction tho, does it? ^^
> Aside from that I was interested in the responses a thread like that
> might generate, including "Yes, please, and make sure to include xy
> feature" and "That's lame, I carry my custom modded solar powered sb1
> in my b
> > That said, is there any chance of SlimDevices venturing into the
> > portable market?
>
> any chance, yes. specific odds, anybody's guess. Slim Devices does not
> comment
> on future hardware.
I know. Doesn't hurt to nudge them in the right direction tho, does it? ^^
Aside from that I was
Neil Coburn wrote:
when I click on the properties in Softsqueeze it says it's version
2.0b2.
I have fixed that, it was a problem reporting the version number in
softsqueeze.
The problem seems to be with AAC rather than MP3 files.
Do you get white noise when you play AAC files all the time,
Aaron Zinck wrote:
No, Max, I'm sure you're quite hip--the joke arose after it was requested
that a rather demanding and obscure feature be added to the
slimserver/squeezebox. This elicited the rather fascetious response that
slimdevices ought to also include a pony in their next release.
And fo
vidurapparao wrote:
Blame Marc Sherman. See his post to the following thread:
http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=12067
and:
http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=918
I'm not sure where I picked it up from. I recall soon after posting
that, thinking to myself that it was a common
Did you know that the title tag for the SoftSqueeze home page is still
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and rolled their terrible eyes and showed their terrible claws
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Neil Cameron wrote:
Any luck with the logs?
Is there any chance that this problem is related to the fact that (no matter
what I do) I can only run SoftSqueeze 2b2 and not 2b3?
I have just found the problem with the version numbers, Softsqueeze is
storing the version number in your preferences
On Mon, 2005-04-11 at 13:22 -0700, max.spicer wrote:
> Okay, at the risk of missing the obvious, what is it with Slim Devices
> and ponies? Is it some American in-joke,
Its a slim devices mailing list joke.
Folks periodically write in with their wishes.
The list gets more complex and starts to
mi
Quoting Christian Pernegger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> That said, is there any chance of SlimDevices venturing into the
> portable market?
any chance, yes. specific odds, anybody's guess. Slim Devices does not comment
on future hardware.
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> Okay, at the risk of missing the obvious, what is it with Slim Devices
> and ponies? Is it some American in-joke, or do I just not watch the
> right television/read the write books/listen to the right radio?
No, Max, I'm sure you're quite hip--the joke arose after it was requested
that a rathe
max.spicer Wrote:
> Okay, at the risk of missing the obvious, what is it with Slim Devices
> and ponies? Is it some American in-joke, or do I just not watch the
> right television/read the write books/listen to the right radio?
Blame Marc Sherman. See his post to the following thread:
http://f
The SB2 board is actually smaller than the SB1 board.
The dimensions are about 72mm x 195mm. The connectors protrude out a
bit. Vertically, it has the new CPU card and wireless card, so it's
overall volume is different.
The display board is the same size, but the actually glass for the
displa
Roy Owen wrote:
I have SoftSqueeze installed at work, when I install from my
SlimServer webpage the installer reports Softsqueeze 2.0b3. When I
run SoftSqueeze the prefferences pane reports version 2.0a16. Have
uninstalled SoftSqueeze, cleared the cache, is this an error in
SoftSqueeze or my
I'm using the touch skin on a 800x600 Simpad touchpad and want to modify
the skin to better fit on the low resolution screen. I have no
programming experience at all but I managed to I edit some .html files
using a simple text editor but that is extremely cumbersome. I tried
several html editors,
Okay, at the risk of missing the obvious, what is it with Slim Devices
and ponies? Is it some American in-joke, or do I just not watch the
right television/read the write books/listen to the right radio?
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teet
Sorry, I had a bad moment with my browser when I posted that message,
and I didn't realize that the partial message had made it to the board.
I just realized now that it was here.
JJZolx Wrote:
> I think you guys are missing what Mike is saying. Forget album counts
> and checkboxes.
>
> In Bro
Steve Baumgarten wrote:
So there are three different pages that all relate in some way to
database maintenance -- which is why I figured it was worth raising the
issue of making the database maintenance UI more coherent. And yes, I
was willing to risk any and all wiseass pony cracks... ;-)
Umm
I agree, I planned to do just that, as well as buy one for a friend. I
am just holding off until the current code gets more stable, 6.1 seems
like it is getting closer. I figure by 6.2 (or whatever next release
after 6.1) it should be production quality.
-chris
On Apr 11, 2005 12:00 PM, jmpage2
jmpage2 Wrote:
> You will notice that I edited and tempered my hasty response. One of
> the benefits of a forum over an email distro. Sadly it looks like the
> email went out before I could edit.
Are edits sent out to the email list/newsgroups? I edited an early
vbulletin post and it didn't se
JJZolx wrote:
I was going to suggest this as well, but since the "Rescan every ..."
is currently a plugin I figured the reaction would be that it's already
implemented as a plugin, so there's no need to add it to the server
while higher priority jobs need to be taken care of. And then I
figured th
I get dropouts as well. This is running SoftSqueeze 2.0b3 with
SlimServer 6.01. SlimServer is running on a dedicated server connected
(currently) via a 100Mb crossover. It's not so bad as to be a huge
problem, but I'd definitely be upset if my SB2 ever does this. I'll
let you know when/if it (
Does anyone know the dimensions of the main circuit board on the sb1?
bonus question: is the board in the sb2 the same size?
I'm trying to purchase a new enclosure, want to make sure it fits
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On Apr 10, 2005, at 12:41 PM, Old Guy wrote:
My SB1 (still waiting for Platinum SB2 :-) "sometimes" has trouble
connecting wireless network since I changed to Belkin Pre-N as well as
Slimservre 6. Would you kindly let me know how you set up the Belkin
Pre-N router?
I'm using one of those r
Chris Laplante Wrote:
> Wow that was productive..
>
> Actually I am not "such a cheapskate" in that I bought 4x$300
> touchscreen flat panel geode CPU based PC's to use as dedicated
> SoftSqueeze boxen. These are being put into custom Mahogany cases that
> are being built. I wanted something a
I leave mine on all night. When my wife comes to bead she turns
it down, that way when (not if) I awake in the middle of the night I
can still hear my music and get back to sleep.
Just my $0.02.
On Apr 11, 2005 12:57 PM, Thomas B. Malsbury <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:Tahir wrote:>Thanks Dean>>It's
I'm trying softsqueeze for the first time, and I definitely noticed a
few dropouts when playing FLAC. My version is the one included with
Slimserver 6.1 trunk, jre 1.5.0_01 with Firefox under Windows XP. The
computer is connected to the server over GigE. My actual sb2 is
wireless and has no dropout
Tahir wrote:
Thanks Dean
It's usually dark when I need to press the sleep button on my remote
and I just can't find it on the Slim one.
All the way to the right, one up from the bottom that's the one I
do every night with my glasses off and lights out.
I think you guys are missing what Mike is saying. Forget album counts
and checkboxes.
In Browse Albums there's no artist listed. I don't know about you, but
in a collection with a few hundred (let alone a few thousand) albums I'm
not going to recognize quite a few albums. I'm not talking about
I've tried downloading the latest (2.0b3) version both from the Slimserver
Softsqueeze page and the Sourceforge webpage, and the install seems to work,
though when I click on the properties in Softsqueeze it says it's version
2.0b2. The problem seems to be with AAC rather than MP3 files.
-O
Steve Baumgarten Wrote:
> It also includes the "Rescan every XXX minutes" option right there in
> the same dialog box. So basically, everything you might want to do with
> regard to the database driving Winamp is logically grouped together. A
> similar reorganization for Slimserver (both internal
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JJZolx wrote:
But consolidate the operations on the same page and explain it a little
better. Get rid of the "Wipe Cache" on the Performance page and add a
checkbox above the current "Rescan" button. Label it something like
"Perform a complete rescan from scratch". Add more informative text
expl
Ben Sandee wrote:
The existing code displays the list in alphabetical order, taking into
account TSOP tags. Looking at it right now, it seems that it doesn't use
the TSOP information when dealing with number scrolling. This would
explain a discrepancy.
The player-based browsing code is being rewrit
#x27;s stations."
Hope it can work with the SB.
http://reuters.myway.com/article/20050411/2005-04-11T132052Z_01_N11206432_RTRIDST_0_NEWS-MEDIA-AOL-DC.html
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> The existing code displays the list in alphabetical order, taking into
> account TSOP tags. Looking at it right now, it seems that it doesn't use
> the TSOP information when dealing with number scrolling. This would
> explain a discrepancy.
>
> The player-based browsing code is being rewritten f
Quoting "max.spicer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> Agreed. In my mental to-do list of things to change when I get round to
> hacking the code, adding display of the number of albums in each
> category is right at the top, alongside the ability to tick a few
> genre's and say play, or tick a few and sa
The latest nightly for 6.1 includes a podcast browser, courtesy of our
own Dave Cohen and he started a thread to discuss:
http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?p=35133
On Mar 13, 2005, at 3:27 PM, thnmnt wrote:
i asked this before but i think it may have been lost in the sb2
crossfire.
co
Both my server and my router are online 24/7. The wierd thing is that
the clock on the SB2 was progressing but instead of taking one second
to advance one second it took more like 5 seconds. Very strange.
Haven't seen the behaviour since.
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Ben Sandee wrote:
On Apr 11, 2005 11:50 AM, jmpage2
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Anyone else experience the same thing with browse by artist not going to
the top of the artist list for certain letters?
Yes I've seen this (on my Slimp3's). It seems to be aggravated by my
extensive use of TSOP
Phil,
The Podcast Browser does not have any real web UI. Just a
configuration form under server settings -> plugins. No doubt it
should have something more...
I started a new thread to discuss it:
http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?p=35133
Philip Meyer Wrote:
>
> ... I'm curious
* Ben Sandee shaped the electrons to say...
Anyone else experience the same thing with browse by artist not going to
the top of the artist list for certain letters?
Yes I've seen this (on my Slimp3's). It seems to be aggravated by my
extensive use of TSOP tags (performer sort order). It's not new
On Apr 11, 2005 11:50 AM, jmpage2
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Anyone else experience the same thing with browse by artist not going to
> the top of the artist list for certain letters?
Yes I've seen this (on my Slimp3's). It seems to be aggravated by my
extensive use of TSOP tags (performer s
That sounds like http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1220 (the
web interface doesn't update, but the player interface does). This is
distinct from http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1329 (the
player interface is wrong as well). We're working on both.
Thanks,
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Tourne wrot
Wow that was productive..
Actually I am not "such a cheapskate" in that I bought 4x$300
touchscreen flat panel geode CPU based PC's to use as dedicated
SoftSqueeze boxen. These are being put into custom Mahogany cases that
are being built. I wanted something a bit different looking and more
graph
Oopswrong list. Sorry.
Vidur Apparao wrote:
Kevin,
I noticed you resurrected the old mixer code in BrowseDB.pm (the bit
that modifies the current mode parameters and pushes into INPUT.List).
As Robert indicated in
http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=13543, this won't work
since w
Dan Sully
Are you running the 6.0.1 release?
[/QUOTE Wrote:
>
>
> Yes.
>
> (padding to exceed 10 character minimum)
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Anyone else experience the same thing with browse by artist not going to
the top of the artist list for certain letters?
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Or, stop being such a cheapskate and invest in a couple of secondhand
SB1s.. they are going pretty cheap on eBay.
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Is it possible that your computer went to sleep or your network lost
connectivity during this time?
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Thanks Dean
It's usually dark when I need to press the sleep button on my remote
and I just can't find it on the Slim one.
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Agreed. In my mental to-do list of things to change when I get round to
hacking the code, adding display of the number of albums in each
category is right at the top, alongside the ability to tick a few
genre's and say play, or tick a few and say play everything else. I'm
hoping this sort of thi
Hi Tahir,
I just confirmed that my One-For-All remote doesn't work either. I'm
opening a bug against this, Sean will take a look when he comes back
from vacation.
-dean
On Apr 11, 2005, at 3:22 AM, Tahir wrote:
I've just added a Squeezebox2 to my existing SlimP3's, everything's
fine except I ca
I'll whole-heartedly weigh-in with support for this suggestion. This is
also a major obstacle to me considering a squeezebox2 as it simply won't
work with Rhapsody. And while the squeezebox is impressive for a number of
reasons (slimserver is especially flexible) I agree with the original poster
Kevin,
I noticed you resurrected the old mixer code in BrowseDB.pm (the bit
that modifies the current mode parameters and pushes into INPUT.List).
As Robert indicated in
http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=13543, this won't work
since we use INPUT.List for browsedb. Specifically, pop
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