Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox Replacement - Would you be interested?
JohnSwenson wrote: Does anybody have any changes they would like to make to this, either goals or hardware? I'm not suggesting this for GEN0.5, possibly not even for GEN1.0, but please would you consider adding balanced analogue output at some point? cliveb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=348 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97881 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox Replacement - Would you be interested?
cliveb wrote: I'm not suggesting this for GEN0.5, possibly not even for GEN1.0, but please would you consider adding balanced analogue output at some point? chill's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10839 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97881 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Logitech SqueezeBox replacement for under $30
dyohn wrote: Use a good quality USB DAC and you have it. :) Yeah but I wanna run it straight into my processor via S/PDIF. SamS's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9261 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97721 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Logitech SqueezeBox replacement for under $30
SamS wrote: Yeah but I wanna run it straight into my processor via S/PDIF. Read here: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?97881-Community-Funded-Squeezebox-Replacement-Would-you-be-interested epoch1970's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16711 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97721 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox: Product Name
Mnyb wrote: I think logitech bought that too ,they own that brand. At this point , what economic loss would Logitech Incur from giving up the name to those developers in the forum contemplating making a Squeezebox replacement ? jhonsber...@msn.com's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4438 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97975 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox: Product Name
jhonsber...@msn.com wrote: At this point , what economic loss would Logitech Incur from giving up the name to those developers in the forum contemplating making a Squeezebox replacement ? Very little. All you have to do is invest the time and money convincing the Logitech attorneys of this fact. ;) Keeping in mind Logitech currently sells a competing product, i.e. UE Radio. toby10's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12553 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97975 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox: Product Name
Question is: will this community funded player be sold by an official company or will it be a DIY kinda thing for everyone? In the later, I guess Logitech cannot stop us, the community, from calling it Slimdevices or Squeezebox. Pascal Hibon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7969 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97975 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox: Product Name
Open Music Box +1 PimpBox Luzifer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=31092 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97975 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox: Product Name
Luzifer wrote: Open Music Box +1 PimpBox Any name with 'pimp' in it is a no-no . it means a male associate who prostitutes his partner for money usually with menaces. castalla's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15624 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97975 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox: Product Name
castalla wrote: Any name with 'pimp' in it is a no-no . it means a male associate who prostitutes his partner for money usually with menaces. +1, completely distasteful. Squeezed_Rotel's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=30002 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97975 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox: Product Name
When do we want to start voting? My thinking is that only suggestions with more than one vote (+2 or more) will be in the shortlist. simbo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11481 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97975 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox: Product Name
simbo wrote: When do we want to start voting? My thinking is that only suggestions with more than one vote (+2 or more) will be in the shortlist. I hope it isn't going to be a first-past-the-post vote At the very least, it should be top 2 names enter a run-off. castalla's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15624 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97975 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox Replacement - Would you be interested?
Kernel compile shenanigans over, I don't give praise lightly, but need to say this. From the perspective of UAC2, *the Wandboard is a fantastic piece of kit*. I'm sitting here, streaming at 384k via the USB port, while running a continuous squeezelite compile in a tight loop, (while (true); do make -j3 clean make -j3; done). At close to 100% CPU, no XRUN's, no clicks, pops, drops, artifacts... Sure, it's a PREMPT kernel and the squeezelite output thread is running at PRI 46. The alsa buffer needs increasing a little once we go over 192k, (-a 40:::), but that's it. Perfect! I have a UAC1 device on the way for testing. Has everyone else who has ordered a Wandboard so far gone for the dual core model? Anyone ordered the single proc / 512MB? If not, I'll order one so I have both for testing purposes. JackOfAll's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3069 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97881 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox: Product Name
+1 for the Harmonium, Accordion theme. OK, so Accordion was mine (but Harmonium wasn't), but if I don't cheat a bit we're likely to end up with something with 'Open' in the name, or, heaven forbid, Vuvuzela! While I'm at it, how about SB4, SB5 etc? Do you think Logitech have trademarked the general pattern? chill's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10839 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97975 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox: Product Name
castalla wrote: I hope it isn't going to be a first-past-the-post vote At the very least, it should be top 2 names enter a run-off. Good point. simbo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11481 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97975 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox: Product Name
chill wrote: While I'm at it, how about SB4, SB5 etc? Do you think Logitech have trademarked the general pattern? I'd be surprised if they could claim SB-n- as opposed to Squeezebox -n-. simbo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11481 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97975 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox Replacement - Would you be interested?
Jackofall, this really souds exciting. Long live the Squeezebox! Squeezemenicely's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41812 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97881 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox: Product Name
Phoenix: a phoenix obtains new life by arising from the ashes of its predecessor Squeezed_Rotel's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=30002 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97975 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox: Product Name
simbo wrote: Good point. There are currently 13 suggestions with +1 or more, and this forum's polling feature only allows a maximum of 10, which I why I thought the first shortlist should be on those with +2 or more. That brings us down to:- Open Music Box (OMB) Vuvuzela (eek!) Zela Melodia and Brikk c'mon guys, get +1'ing! Vuvuzela ! someones humor is patologically worse than mine ;) Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97975 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox: Product Name
Mnyb wrote: Vuvuzela ! someones humor is patologically worse than mine ;) Even though my suggestions made the list, I must say I'm less than enthused by the list ... Melodia - used to be a Soviet record label - and sounds like something from the 1950s Brikk - when something doesn't work, it's called a 'brick' in English! Open Music Box (as snazzy a name as 'Plastic Box Which Plays Noises') Which leaves 2 names; VuVu for Gen1 player. ZeLa for the production model castalla's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15624 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97975 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox: Product Name
castalla wrote: Even though my suggestions made the list, I must say I'm less than enthused by the list ... Melodia - used to be a Soviet record label - and sounds like something from the 1950s Brikk - when something doesn't work, it's called a 'brick' in English! Open Music Box (as snazzy a name as 'Plastic Box Which Plays Noises') Which leaves 2 names; VuVu for Gen1 player. ZeLa for the production model brikk was my bad joke :) the spelling to have fun with Linn and Rega naming Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97975 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox: Product Name
It has already named itself btw community squeezebox gen 0.5 , 1 and 2 . Can Logitech really claim the Squeezbox name it's really a kind of accordion , in that case shorten it to CS 1 CS 2and claim that it really does not mean anything ;) . Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97975 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Logitech SqueezeBox replacement for under $30
Yes, I've been reading through that, but I'm having a hard time understanding how it would be fundamentally different from the DIY device described in this thread. SamS's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9261 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97721 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox: Product Name
It has already named itself btw community squeezebox gen 0.5 , 1 and 2 . Imagine ... Darkened room as soft spotlight swings onto small mysterious box-shaped article ... tasteful musical fanfare ''Ladies Gentlemen, I proudly present the NEW Community Squeezebox Gen One Half '' .. Sound of sniggers and muffled laughter from the gathered Media Press pack. castalla's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15624 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97975 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox Replacement - Would you be interested?
JackOfAll wrote: Kernel compile shenanigans over, I don't give praise lightly, but need to say this. From the perspective of UAC2, *the Wandboard is a fantastic piece of kit*. I'm sitting here, streaming at 384k via the USB port, while running a continuous squeezelite compile in a tight loop, (while (true); do make -j3 clean make -j3; done). At close to 100% CPU, no XRUN's, no clicks, pops, drops, artifacts... Sure, it's a PREMPT kernel and the squeezelite output thread is running at PRI 46. The alsa buffer needs increasing a little once we go over 192k, (-a 40:::), but that's it. Perfect! I have a UAC1 device on the way for testing. Has everyone else who has ordered a Wandboard so far gone for the dual core model? Anyone ordered the single proc / 512MB? If not, I'll order one so I have both for testing purposes. Great news Clive... My was to arrive today, hopefully tomorrow now. Can you post a link to the kernel you are using. I will try a uac1 dac with it as soon as I get my hands on it! Triode's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97881 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox: Product Name
Mnyb wrote: brikk was my bad joke :) the spelling to have fun with Linn and Rega naming And it is a pretty good joke, so it still has my support! Better than the other top choices... Julf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=42050 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97975 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox: Product Name
I've come to the conclusion this marketing stuff is harder than I thought. I also can't believe I just admitted that. I'll stick with the IT business a little while longer. simbo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11481 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97975 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Logitech SqueezeBox replacement for under $30
SamS wrote: Yeah but I wanna run it straight into my processor via S/PDIF. You need a USB to SPDIF converter. This is a really good one. http://shop.smallgreencomputer.com/24-96-USB-to-SPDIF-converter-USB-SPDIF.htm This is a true audiophile USB to SPDIF converter. http://shop.smallgreencomputer.com/SOtM-USB-Digital-Interface-SOtM-USB.htm agillis's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=21140 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97721 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox Replacement - Would you be interested?
Triode wrote: Great news Clive... My was to arrive today, hopefully tomorrow now. Can you post a link to the kernel you are using. I will try a uac1 dac with it as soon as I get my hands on it! Use the img I made. I promise it will save you a couple of hours of hair pulling! ;) JackOfAll's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3069 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97881 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox: Product Name
Julf wrote: And it is a pretty good joke, so it still has my support! Better than the other top choices... Can't wait for the first postings saying: 'I've just bricked my Brikk' It's really not appropriate: To brick it - means to be frightened to do something. And in the process of bricking it, you may just pass a brick (or a large fecal deposit)! It all reminds me of an instant coffee once sold in South Africa - this was called 'Puke' - believe it or not! castalla's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15624 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97975 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox Replacement - Would you be interested?
And thinking about it, to make my image work on the single proc, 512MB hardware version After dd'ing my image to the sdcard, download the wandboard-sdk from their download page, extract, go into the precompiled directory and .. Code: dd if=u-boot.bin-solo of=/dev/devX bs=512 seek=2 skip=2 That should make the image work on the solo hardware, but I cant test it. JackOfAll's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3069 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97881 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox: Product Name
castalla wrote: It's really not appropriate: To brick it - means to be frightened to do something. Take pretty much any word and there will be some degrading usage for that word somewhere in the world. I hope you realize that vuvuzelas are regarded as extremely annoying and inappropriate in most of the civilized world... :) Julf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=42050 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97975 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox: Product Name
Julf wrote: Take pretty much any word and there will be some degrading usage for that word somewhere in the world. Of course ... but I'm just pointing out how particularly inappropriate 'Brikk' is.Why tempt fate? castalla's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15624 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97975 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox: Product Name
Rather than just criticise, I'll suggest another name which can't do any harm: Community Radio Audio Player . no? castalla's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15624 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97975 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox: Product Name
castalla wrote: I'm just pointing out how particularly inappropriate 'Brikk' is. To you. To me vuvuzela is worse. It's all relative. Julf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=42050 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97975 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox: Product Name
Julf wrote: To you. To me vuvuzela is worse. It's all relative. It's relative to not choosing a ridiculous name which can provoke tasteless comments! I'm not paricularly promoting Vuvuzela - which I sarcasticaly suggested because some people where proposing names of musical instruments, such as the amazing Accordion, etc,. It was a joke. Go ahead - call it a Brikk. It's as daft a name as all the others! castalla's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15624 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97975 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Logitech SqueezeBox replacement for under $30
SamS wrote: Yes, I've been reading through that, but I'm having a hard time understanding how it would be fundamentally different from the DIY device described in this thread. Exactly. That project is interesting but it really is recreating the wheel and at a much higher projected cost. agillis wrote: You need a USB to SPDIF converter. This is a really good one. http://shop.smallgreencomputer.com/24-96-USB-to-SPDIF-converter-USB-SPDIF.htm This is a true audiophile USB to SPDIF converter. http://shop.smallgreencomputer.com/SOtM-USB-Digital-Interface-SOtM-USB.htm And there you go. :) I've been using the VAMP built on a Ponoplug for a couple months now and love it. dyohn's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5211 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97721 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox: Product Name
simbo wrote: I've come to the conclusion this marketing stuff is harder than I thought. I also can't believe I just admitted that. I'll stick with the IT business a little while longer. Yea making up more irrational reasons for people's irrational consumer decisions :) But you are rigth it is really really really hard to come up with names on stuff . Where I work it is often [company name] + [vaguelly relevant acronym] + [number ,usually higher than the predecessor ] company name sends a message directly , so it helps . You could also include a hint to the principles of operation or physical atribute if they are kind of novel or cool Jet powered compact . Or hint at the result or design goals , like a really silent vacuum cleaner that has silent in the name . In that realm I Think names such as Transporter or Touch works really well , Squeezebox is just as silly as our jokes but we got used to it . Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97975 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox: Product Name
castalla wrote: Plastic Box Which Plays Noises +1 ;) JackOfAll's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3069 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97975 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Logitech SqueezeBox replacement for under $30
agillis wrote: You need a USB to SPDIF converter. This is a really good one. http://shop.smallgreencomputer.com/24-96-USB-to-SPDIF-converter-USB-SPDIF.htm This one is pretty good for a non-async interface. It's a shame though that because it uses the Tenor chipset it lacks 88.2kHz support. The M2Tech HiFace 2 is probably the next best step up from this before getting into the more esoteric interfaces. It's a real shame that the Empirical Audio Off Ramp 5 uses the HiFace (1) chipset for USB audio input, which is no good for Linux, as this would be pretty much perfect otherwise as it also offers LVDS I2S output which is really hard to find on other interfaces. paulster's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=23073 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97721 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox Replacement - Would you be interested?
cliveb wrote: I'm not suggesting this for GEN0.5, possibly not even for GEN1.0, but please would you consider adding balanced analogue output at some point? In order to do balanced will take more than one DAC chip. That brings up how this is to be done. If I use two chips, and have them feed the XLR, do I run one of them to the RCAs in parallel, or have three DAC chips, one for RCA and two for balanced. Or do we have just one on the board going to RCAs and any other configuration done with daughter boards. I'm leaning towards the daughter board concept, it keeps the base configuration simple, then we can come up with multiple add on boards, such as balanced, multi-channel etc, I2S over LVDS etc. But then we have to come up with a back panel that has a removeable cover plate where the daughter board connectors go. It's definately not going to happen in Gen0.5, but certainly worth looking at for Gen1. John S. JohnSwenson's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5974 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97881 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox: Product Name
OK I've had enough of this malarkey. I'm posting the shortlist as a poll to see where it leads us. If we hate the name, we'll just end up calling it GEN-x- anyway. simbo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11481 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97975 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Community Squeezebox: The Name Vote (Round 1)
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98148 Question: What should we call this new device? - Vuvuzela - OpEncore - Melodia - Zela - Brikk - FLÄKK - Open Music Box After weeks of deliberation, fighting and lobbying, the public have narrowed down the suggestions for the (potential) Community-Funded Squeezebox to 7 choices. Nobody likes most of them, and plenty despise all of them. This hasn't stopped most democratic countries from stumbling along, and neither will it stop us. So without further adieu, here we have The Vote (Round 1*). The nominations are... *Vuvuzela *- You probably know that squeezebox is also a colloquial term for an accordion, so it stands to reason that its spiritual offspring should also be named after an instrument. Clarinet? Harpsichord? No, let's go with the Vuvuzela; infamously known for being the prevalent sound of the 2010 FIFA World Cup, who's distraction caused insert your team to bow out prematurely. (Suggested by castalla) *OpEncore *- Blending two words together is cool. Encore means again in French, and is often used to entice performers back onto stage at the end of a musical event. It may be subtle, but it strikes parallels with the aims of this project, and of course the new device will be open-source. Open - Encore - OpEncore. (Suggested by erland/simbo) *Melodia *- Melodies are nice, and as it happens Melodia means pleasant song in Latin, which also makes us sound clever and little pretentious. But this is a music playing device, it comes with the territory. (Suggested by erland) *Zela *- A play on the oh-so-popular Vuvuzela (see above) but without the connotations of a tinnitus-like buzz that you still can't get out of your head three years on. But it's also a nice word in itself and rolls off the tongue well. It's also so tenuous you can explain it to your mates down the pub time and time again. (Suggested by simbo) *Brikk *- Perhaps a nod to the final resting state of the GEN1 models, it also nicely describes its purpose - a solid-looking box that sits near your HiFi and acts as the cornerstone of your home music solution. See what I did there? (Suggested by Mnyb) *FLÄKK *- No, not an Ikea bookcase, but perhaps a reference to the file format de jour and darling of this community; older members will remind us that the first Slim device was called the SliMP3, harking back to a more innocent, compressed age. Let's hope it doesn't come flat-packed. (Suggested by Ghandi) *Open Music Box* - Here is a box. A musical box. A product that delivers exactly as described; a box that plays music, and it's open (in a software and hardware development sense). On another level it's a nostalgic reference to the children's toys that open up to reveal a magical world. Or something. (Suggested by erland) * As for Round 2, let's see where this goes first, eh? simbo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11481 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98148 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox Replacement - Would you be interested?
JackOfAll wrote: And thinking about it, to make my image work on the single proc, 512MB hardware version After dd'ing my image to the sdcard, download the wandboard-sdk from their download page, extract, go into the precompiled directory and .. Code: dd if=u-boot.bin-solo of=/dev/devX bs=512 seek=2 skip=2 That should make the image work on the solo hardware, but I cant test it. I'm planning on getting a solo board, so far the only US distributor is Digikey, but they don't have any in stock yet and their order page says they won't ship until March 20. So it might be awhile. Getting one from a European distributor seems to be very expensive. You and me and Triode need to get together and work out some details on how the software is going to talk to the DAC chip and muxes etc so I can make sure I have the hardware implemented in a way that will work with the software. Thanks so much for working on this. It helps a lot to get something working!! John S. JohnSwenson's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5974 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97881 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox Replacement - Would you be interested?
JackOfAll wrote: I have made an img for the dual model that I have. 'wandboard-squeezelite-20130219.img.gz' (http://www.vacuumtube.org.uk/downloads/wandboard-squeezelite-20130219.img.gz) Hopefully this will help others who wish to get involved at this early stage, up and running quickly. It's based on a minimal ubuntu 12.10 rootfs, (ubuntu-12.10-r3-minimal-armhf-2013-01-12), so its ARM7 and hard float. Being minimal it doesn't have all the gui bloat of the official Wandboard ubuntu image and is more optimised for the hardware. The kernel, I have custom compiled so USB audio is available from the get go. Code: dd if=wandboard-squeezelite-20130219.img of=/dev/sdX bs=1M gunzip the img.gz. Replace /dev/sdX (above) with the deviceId of the sdcard. dd to your mini sdcard. Put in the slot on the cpu board, not the carrier board. Plug in network cable. Power on. Wait 30 secs. Router should give a dhcp address to eth0. Go to your router to find out what address it has given. Then ssh into it. User: ubuntu Password: temppwd. In ubuntu user home dir, squeezelite-1.0 src dir. All needed dependencies to build and run installed. eg. libflac-dev, libmad0-dev, etc, etc. It is built, but 'make clean make' and it will build again. Also in the user dir, kernel-3.0.35.tgz contains the ubootable kernel image I built, (uImage), the modules (in a tgz) and the config that was used to compile it from the wandboard-sdk. I probably won't have any more time to spend tinkering with the Wandboard until the weekend, so that's it for now. JackOfAll, Great work!! I am too waiting for the Wandboard from Digikey. I am really excited to see how this plays out. John, if all goes well with the Gen.5 board would you be looking for testers and producing a larger batch or are you going to limit them to you, JackOfAll, and Triode? Then fix any issues/re-design and produce a public batch for Gen1.0? dustinsterk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=19649 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97881 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox Replacement - Would you be interested?
JohnSwenson wrote: Since I'm going to start designing the Gen0.5 boards in couple days, I wanted to go into a little detail on what I'm planning on doing and what the specific goals are for this board. So if there are changes desired I can get the concepts in before I get too far in the board design. As I see it there are three goals for Gen0.5: 1; Get a working linux distro that can be put on the SD card that includes what of linux is needed, and Squeezelite. So that when Gen1 comes out it can do SOMETHING out of the box. 2; test out both USB ports configured as host ports, see what works, what doesn't and if the two ports behave the same or not. 3; get drivers working that can talk to the DAC chip and S/PDIF out. Drivers currently exist that can send out I2S and S/PDIF, we need to make sure they can work with our hardware, and what may be the most difficult part, handle an external MCLK source and select between clock frequencies for the different sample rate families. I'm planning on the Gen0.5 board being very simple and inexpensive, something that I can solder by hand. The board fab I use makes three copies of the board, so we will have three boards. I'm planning on the board having the following: EDM connector, Ethernet connector(gigabit), two full size USB type A connectors, DAC chip driving two RCA jacks, TOSLINK S/PDIF out, two oscillators with appropriate audio frequencies, clock mux, I2S and S/PDIF reclocking flops, clock driver for the module and voltage regulators. No wifi, no headphone. Just enough to test out the software for the three interfaces (USB, I2S to DAC and S/PDIF) I am NOT going to be doing any of the fancy very low noise ground plane schemes, super low noise regulators etc. This is not being designed to get the best sound, but to be a platform for initial software development. Gen1 will have those things. As mentioned I'm trying to keep this phase as simple as possible. All the rest of the development will take place in Gen1. I'm trying to prevent creeping featurism in this phase. Does anybody have any changes they would like to make to this, either goals or hardware? Thanks, John S. John, scratch my question, just re-read this post. dustinsterk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=19649 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97881 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox Replacement - Would you be interested?
JackOfAll wrote: Use the img I made. I promise it will save you a couple of hours of hair pulling! ;) Thanks and BTW, I just had a 2 GB microSD on which this image fitted perfecly (just received my wandboard today). Not much tests tonight except booting and checking 1 or 2 things (apache already installed :)) I encounter a strange error with squeezelite I need to investigate (as many of us, not much time before the weekend) Code: ubuntu@wandboard:~/squeezelite-1.0$ ./squeezelite -l Output devices: null - Discard all samples (playback) or generate zero samples (capture) default:CARD=DAC - HiFimeDIY DAC, USB Audio - Default Audio Device sysdefault:CARD=DAC- HiFimeDIY DAC, USB Audio - Default Audio Device ./squeezelite -o default:CARD=DAC ALSA lib pcm_direct.c:1118:(snd1_pcm_direct_initialize_poll_fd) unable to open timer 'hw:CLASS=3,SCLASS=0,CARD=2,DEV=0,SUBDEV=0' ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:1095:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to initialize poll_fd [16:13:16.880783] test_open:152 playback open error: No such file or directory [16:13:16.882064] output_init:1350 unable to open output device Thanks again, at least the image is providing a good / clean start for further investigations eLR!C's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=19360 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97881 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox: Product Name
simbo wrote: OK I've had enough of this malarkey. I'm posting the shortlist as a poll to see where it leads us. If we hate the name, we'll just end up calling it GEN-x- anyway. http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?98148 I like the poll but feel that Harmonic should still be on the list. It did have a +3. :) dustinsterk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=19649 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97975 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox Replacement - Would you be interested?
JohnSwenson wrote: I'm planning on getting a solo board, so far the only US distributor is Digikey, but they don't have any in stock yet and their order page says they won't ship until March 20. So it might be awhile. Getting one from a European distributor seems to be very expensive. John, I've been pondering on this. I don't know what the US pricing looks like, ($20 difference according to the WandBoard website), but over here the dual is 16 EURO more than the solo. So, 16 EURO more for 2nd processor core, additional 512MB RAM, bluetooth, wifi There seems to be little point buying anything other than the dual. Earlier, I was going to buy a solo, but it now seems to be very poor value for money compared to the dual. My thinking is that this isn't really a bargain basement project where absolutely every penny needs to count. So I wonder if we should just say the dual is our base model and ignore the fact that the solo exists? From a support (and ease of use) point of view, having an on board integrated wi-fi solution seems to be preferable when it comes to having it working out of the box, rather than individual users choosing their own USB wi-fi dongles which may or may not have working Linux drivers. JackOfAll's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3069 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97881 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox: Product Name
Squeezedump I like it . jhonsber...@msn.com's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4438 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97975 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox Replacement - Would you be interested?
eLR!C wrote: Code: ubuntu@wandboard:~/squeezelite-1.0$ ./squeezelite -l Output devices: null - Discard all samples (playback) or generate zero samples (capture) default:CARD=DAC - HiFimeDIY DAC, USB Audio - Default Audio Device sysdefault:CARD=DAC- HiFimeDIY DAC, USB Audio - Default Audio Device ./squeezelite -o default:CARD=DAC ALSA lib pcm_direct.c:1118:(snd1_pcm_direct_initialize_poll_fd) unable to open timer 'hw:CLASS=3,SCLASS=0,CARD=2,DEV=0,SUBDEV=0' ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:1095:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to initialize poll_fd [16:13:16.880783] test_open:152 playback open error: No such file or directory [16:13:16.882064] output_init:1350 unable to open output device H. Unable to open timer. I wonder if Adrian has any ideas? Kernel is compiled with CONFIG_SND_TIMER=y CONFIG_SND_HRTIMER=m CONFIG_SND_SEQ_HRTIMER_DEFAULT=y I doubt it is going to make any difference, but try squeezelite -o hw:CARD=DAC,DEV=0. JackOfAll's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3069 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97881 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Community Squeezebox: The Name Vote (Round 1)
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98148 Question: What should we call this new device? - Vuvuzela - OpEncore - Melodia - Zela - Brikk - FLÄKK - Open Music Box Open music box gets my vote J jmschnur's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8604 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98148 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Community Squeezebox: The Name Vote (Round 1)
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98148 Question: What should we call this new device? - Vuvuzela - OpEncore - Melodia - Zela - Brikk - FLÄKK - Open Music Box don't like any of them. i suggest instead : squeezeback (it has almost zero match on google - that is important too) reniera's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40705 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=98148 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] No competition for Sonos! :-(
Mnyb wrote: I You simply need a more powerfull server . I have no such problem with my HP microserver I'm using an i5 laptop with 4gb ram and no other applications except LMS and I get frequent stalls which can last up to 5 minutes. jimzak's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17592 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97440 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] No competition for Sonos! :-(
try deinstalling trackstat reniera's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40705 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97440 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Logitech SqueezeBox replacement for under $30
agillis wrote: You need a USB to SPDIF converter. This is a really good one. http://shop.smallgreencomputer.com/24-96-USB-to-SPDIF-converter-USB-SPDIF.htm This is a true audiophile USB to SPDIF converter. http://shop.smallgreencomputer.com/SOtM-USB-Digital-Interface-SOtM-USB.htm Great! I really appreciate the links. The SOtM looks interesting... maybe a bit more than I wanted to spend just as part of a fun project, but maybe I'll save up for it. dyohn wrote: Exactly. That project is interesting but it really is recreating the wheel and at a much higher projected cost. And there you go. :) I've been using the VAMP built on a Ponoplug for a couple months now and love it. So, I wasn't missing something obvious? What are they trying to do that the VAMP solution does not accomodate? paulster wrote: This one is pretty good for a non-async interface. It's a shame though that because it uses the Tenor chipset it lacks 88.2kHz support. The M2Tech HiFace 2 is probably the next best step up from this before getting into the more esoteric interfaces. It's a real shame that the Empirical Audio Off Ramp 5 uses the HiFace (1) chipset for USB audio input, which is no good for Linux, as this would be pretty much perfect otherwise as it also offers LVDS I2S output which is really hard to find on other interfaces. I appreciate the info on the M2Tech HiFace 2. This side of computer audio is relatively new to me. A side I'm being forced to learn about since my turnkey Squeezebox solutions are obviously drying up. I really like my Transporter, and was even considering buying a spare. But something like the VAMP + SOtM dX-USB-HD could probably do just as good, for much less. SamS's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9261 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97721 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Logitech SqueezeBox replacement for under $30
SamS wrote: So, I wasn't missing something obvious? What are they trying to do that the VAMP solution does not accomodate? There are 2 big areas in which the VAMP is lacking for me: - No display - No control interface at the device Those are pretty much deal-killers for me. I use my SBs as weather-centers and bedside radios as much as anything. I also don't have a smartphone (yes, there are still some of us out there!). That said, I'm not really in the let's design and build our own hardware camp. Nothing against those guys, I'm just skeptical. For now I'll just keep buying used SBs and might build a VAMP if I want a headless SB. azinck3's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3967 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97721 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox Replacement - Would you be interested?
I have been following this thread with interest. I don't know if you are familiar with the microcore linux, but maybe you should consider it for the basis of the new player. Microcore linux is a small linux (basis is only 8-12 MB), but it is possible to add the packages that you need. It is so small that it can be running entirely in RAM, and therefore no writing to the SD-card is done. You only write to the SD-card when you tell it to do so In addition, everytime it boots it is a fresh start, and the extensions and changes are added to the core, so there is no risk of corruption of the system or the card. I have build a small squeezelite player with microcore linux for the raspberry which is only 25 MB in total. http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?97803-piCoPlayer-Squeezelite-on-Microcore-linux-An-embedded-OS-in-RAM-with-Squeezelite There seems to be ports to other ARMS as well - maybe it is worth considering? Here is a link: http://forum.tinycorelinux.net/index.php/board,56.0.html and another: http://forum.tinycorelinux.net/index.php/topic,14855.0.html Steen sbp's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37237 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97881 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Community Funded Squeezebox Replacement - Would you be interested?
JackOfAll wrote: John, I've been pondering on this. I don't know what the US pricing looks like, ($20 difference according to the WandBoard website), but over here the dual is 16 EURO more than the solo. So, 16 EURO more for 2nd processor core, additional 512MB RAM, bluetooth, wifi There seems to be little point buying anything other than the dual. Earlier, I was going to buy a solo, but it now seems to be very poor value for money compared to the dual. My thinking is that this isn't really a bargain basement project where absolutely every penny needs to count. So I wonder if we should just say the dual is our base model and ignore the fact that the solo exists? From a support (and ease of use) point of view, having an on board integrated wi-fi solution seems to be preferable when it comes to having it working out of the box, rather than individual users choosing their own USB wi-fi dongles which may or may not have working Linux drivers. Have you seen my posts earlier in the thread on wifi? I found a nice little module that connects via ethernet to the processor, it just looks like another device on the lan. It has its own web server for configuration and can either be a client on an existing network, or it can be its own AP/DHCP server. (it even has a simple router) With this you don't have to have a driver on the processor AT ALL, no WPA suplicant etc., all that is taken care of in the module. It has its own switch on board and can be used as a bridge for other devices. With this functionality you can have a wired connection to a server, and it can be its own little network for handling iPeng etc, no need to even have your own existing wifi network. I was planning on having a socket for this module on the Gen1 and up board, because it is just like having an external bridge on the lan there is no need to have it on the Gen0.5 John S. JohnSwenson's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5974 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97881 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
