Re: [slim] Can I breath new life into my system, or does in need replacing?

2020-12-03 Thread philippe_44


Gingermagic wrote: 
> 
> - What is 'SqueezeAMP'? I did look, but couldn't work out of it was
> hardware, or software, or what?
> Damian

Per @bpa post, SqueezeAMP is definitively the hardware part
https://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?111328-ANNOUNCE-the-SqueezeAMP-next-generation-squeezeboxen-amplifier-receiver
of the project. If you want the amplifier/BT/SPDIF/analogue and don't
need screen, buttons & others, then there is no tinkering. Just putting
it in the box (I've been missing boxes for a while, but still working on
it), it comes pre-loaded with software (this is a not-for-profit
project)

The SqueezeESP32 is the software arm of the project that can be used
beyond SqueezeAMP, but you don't need to worry about that



LMS 7.9  on Pi 3B+ & Odroid-C2 - *SqueezeAMP!*, 5xRadio, 3xBoom, 4xDuet,
1xTouch, 1 SB3. Sonos PLAY:3, PLAY:5, Marantz NR1603, Foobar2000,
ShairPortW, JRiver 21, 2xChromecast Audio, Chromecast v1 and v2,
Squeezelite on Pi,  Yamaha WX-010, AppleTV 4, Airport Express, GGMM E5,
Riva 1 & 3

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Re: [slim] Can I breath new life into my system, or does in need replacing?

2020-12-03 Thread bpa


Gingermagic wrote: 
> What is 'SqueezeAMP'? I did look, but couldn't work out of it was
> hardware, or software, or what?
It is minimal hardware player based on a SoC Espressif 82?? , very small
can run on bartteries has it own amp.  Small displays have been added.
Can be made into own system or esles embedded inan old Radio etc. 
Probably need to be OK with hardware.

>  What 'screens' do you use? Logitech Squeezebox Touch's? Or Rasberry
> Pi's with Touch Screens? If Rasberry Pi's, can you share your
> recommended spec? Which Pi's? Which Screens? The screens I looked at
> online seemed quite poor.
Screens can be old mobile phones , touchpad running browser with
Material or a LMS App, RPI can be built into Touch equivalent and can
have variety of screen from small 5" up to large 10".   Budget and
application make people choose a screen to suit.


> - What are 'Jogglers'? I really seared for those, and found nothing! IIRC an 
> O2 tablet computer (pre iPad I think)  - v. old now I think x86
based.

> And is 'Material UI' an app? Is it for iPhone, or just android?
Material UI is a plugin for a skin. Installed via LMS 3rd parties
plugin.  It is Browser based so can be made to appear as an App on a
mobile/tablet

To use on desktop use http://localhost:9000/desktop



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Re: [slim] Can I breath new life into my system, or does in need replacing?

2020-12-03 Thread Tim Požár

On 12/3/20 3:29 PM, Gingermagic wrote:
[...]

- What 'screens' do you use? Logitech Squeezebox Touch's? Or Rasberry
Pi's with Touch Screens? If Rasberry Pi's, can you share your
recommended spec? Which Pi's? Which Screens? The screens I looked at
online seemed quite poor.


I use the PiCorePlayer distro on a Raspberry Pi 3 or 4.  I found the 
native DAC on the Pi is a bit noisy.  So for places I don't care as 
much, I will use it.  In places I do care, I will get a better DAC HAT 
to install.  I have a blog post of what I did and the parts used you can 
find here:


https://blog.lns.com/?p=151

Tim
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Re: [slim] Can I breath new life into my system, or does in need replacing?

2020-12-03 Thread Gingermagic


Thanks Everyone,

This is probably going to sound stupid, but ...

- What is 'SqueezeAMP'? I did look, but couldn't work out of it was
hardware, or software, or what?

- What 'screens' do you use? Logitech Squeezebox Touch's? Or Rasberry
Pi's with Touch Screens? If Rasberry Pi's, can you share your
recommended spec? Which Pi's? Which Screens? The screens I looked at
online seemed quite poor.

- What are 'Jogglers'? I really seared for those, and found nothing!

- And is 'Material UI' an app? Is it for iPhone, or just android?

Thanks again,
Damian



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Re: [slim] Can I breath new life into my system, or does in need replacing?

2020-12-03 Thread bpa


Gingermagic wrote: 
> Thanks for the quick response bpa!
> 
> I have just updated LMS. I'm running 8.0.0. now.
> 
> My Linux server is running Xubuntu 20.04 LTS
> 
> My OpenSSL version is 1.1.1f
> 
> When I play Spotify on my phone, lo squeeze devices show up in 'Other
> Devices'.
> 
> They have in the past, for me, but rarely for my family.
> 
> Id love to get this working. Any idea what's going wrong?
> 
> I've just installed the BBC Sounds plugin. I'll have a play with that.

OK - server is perfect. I'm not a "Spotty" person so perhaps a question
on a spotty thread (or a new thread with a spotty title)  might get good
answers from real spotty users.

I think paul's suggestion of available touch screens,  is the way for
mobile phone/App users.

Have you looked at using the Material UI ?  Good on a phone.



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Re: [slim] Can I breath new life into my system, or does in need replacing?

2020-12-03 Thread Paul Webster


My way to keep LMS in use by others at home was to put as many touch
screen control points around the place as possible - with
amplifiers/speakers always powered up.

Even then it has been a limited success.
The kitchen is the one place where everyone has tacitly agreed to use it
exclusively.
Speakers are in the ceiling and are, nowadays, driven by SqueezeAMP and
there are two touch screens (Jogglers) - one near the fridge & sink and
the other near a dining table.
Pretty well everything that everyone else plays in there is via a
Favourite.



Paul Webster
http://dabdig.blogspot.com
author of \"now playing\" plugins covering radio france (fip etc), kcrw,
supla finland, abc australia, cbc/radio-canada and rte ireland

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Re: [slim] BBC Sounds

2020-12-03 Thread bpa


Weystoner wrote: 
> I'm now up and running with the BBC Sounds app.  As with the iPlayer app
> I can time-shift my listening to suit myself using the scheduling 
> section, so I'm happy as Larry.  The only thing I have to do differently
> is that on my Touch  I can navigate to the programmes I want using the
> remote, but I have to  use the touchscreen to actually play them -
> hardly a showstopper.  My SB Classic seems to work OK completely from
> the remote, though I haven't fully tested this.
> 
> Thank you everyone for your input, plus special thanks to BPA for
> pointing me towards the Sounds app and for keeping iPlayer going for
> this long.
The BBC Sounds plugin is very new and so functionality so has scope for
UI improvement.  Post your issues/suggestions on the BBC Sounds plugin
thread.

BBC plugins on LMS have followed the interfaces/APIs that the BBC
provides and eventually terminate at end-of-life.  The "Listen Again"
feed has been creaking and becoming harder to add expected functionality
so if it is the end of the feed, it is the right time.

BBC Sounds App uses an API which has only been fully opened to non UK
users in mid Sept but it provide much more functionality than the old
"listen Again" feed and provides the functionality that users expect and
keep inline with BBC Sounds mobile app



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Re: [slim] Can I breath new life into my system, or does in need replacing?

2020-12-03 Thread Gingermagic


Thanks for the quick response bpa!

I have just updated LMS. I'm running 8.0.0. now.

My Linux server is running Xubuntu 20.04 LTS

My OpenSSL version is 1.1.1f

When I play Spotify on my phone, lo squeeze devices show up in 'Other
Devices'.

They have in the past, for me, but rarely for my family.

Id love to get this working. Any idea what's going wrong?

I've just installed the BBC Sounds plugin. I'll have a play with that.

Thanks,
Damian



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Re: [slim] Register your appreciation .....

2020-12-03 Thread staresy

d6jg wrote: 
> It’s time we recognised those that continue to develop this fabulous
> software.
> 
> By no means a complete list but ...
> 
> Donation time
> 
> Michael (mherger)
> http://www.herger.net/slim/index.html - link at bottom
> 
> Craig (cpd73) - Material Skin
> https://github.com/CDrummond/lms-material - link at bottom
> 
> bpa - BBC iPlayer etc
> No donation link found
> 
> philippe_44  - the bridges
> No donation link found
> 
> Various (piCorePlayer)
> There is a link on the home page of your Raspberry Pi with pCp on it but
> ...
> https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_donations=U7JHY5WYHCNRU=GB_code=USD=PP%2dDonationsBF%3abtn_donateCC_LG%2egif%3aNonHosted
> 
> Please correct or add any other link as appropriate but remember these
> guys deserve our support.

I'd add:

PhilChillBill - Alexa Mediaserver and LMS Lite voice control of LMS
https://mediaserver.smartskills.tech/#
Donation link at bottom of page



location 1: lms 8.0 on win 10 brix server, x2 sb radios, x1 touch, x1
controller : location 2: lms 8.0 on win 10 brix server, x2 sb radios, x1
duet receiver, x1 controller : alexa mediaserver smart skill, material
android, squeezelitex control

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Re: [slim] BBC Sounds

2020-12-03 Thread Weystoner


I'm now up and running with the BBC Sounds app.  As with the iPlayer app
I can time-shift my listening to suit myself using the scheduling 
section, so I'm happy as Larry.  The only thing I have to do differently
is that on my Touch  I can navigate to the programmes I want using the
remote, but I have to  use the touchscreen to actually play them -
hardly a showstopper.  My SB Classic seems to work OK completely from
the remote, though I haven't fully tested this.

Thank you everyone for your input, plus special thanks to BPA for
pointing me towards the Sounds app and for keeping iPlayer going for
this long.

Dave



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Re: [slim] Can I breath new life into my system, or does in need replacing?

2020-12-03 Thread bpa


Because of changes in SSL / https - Spotify and internet services need
an up to date LMS 8.0.* AND and up to date OS with openssl at least
1.1.*

LMS 8.0.0 integrates online music services and local Music library.

Your system can play all current services as long as LMS and OS are up
to date.
You provide no details on "linux server".  At the very least you should
upgrade to latest OS (not the latest update for the current version of
your OS).

Not clear what size your music library but a simple afforable LMS server
upgrade would be using a Pi4. SliMP3 may require a lot of transcoding
but Pi4 should be OK as long as there isn't a big load.

BBC radio - there is a BBC Sounds plugin available - so mobile use of
BBC Sounds and LMS use are in-line.



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[slim] Can I breath new life into my system, or does in need replacing?

2020-12-03 Thread Gingermagic


Hi Everyone,

I have Logitech Media Server (7.9.3) running on a Linux server in the
garage.
I've got a SLIMP3 (original) in the kitchen, which splits the audio to
speakers in the kitchen and to an amp in the front room.
I've also got a Squeezebox (not sure if it's 1 or 2) in our bedroom.

The problem is that the family just don't use these devices any more!
They seem old, clunky, and they'd rather play Spotify on their phones.

I've tried to get Spotify working through the SLIMP3 and Squeezebox, but
it's only worked intermittently at best, and that's just not good
enough.

For the family, I think that Spotify is here to stay. That's where they
go for their music.
My wife also plays BBC radio a lot. She uses a crappy radio for that
because, again, my efforts to get it working on my current devices have
been intermittent at best.
I still tend to go to the system and find 'my music', but maybe that's
just because I haven't used Spotify much.

I'm tempted to give up on the Squeezeboxes, but I'm not sure what I'd
replace them with. I definitely don't want and 'smart (spying) speakers'
in the house. And we've got decent speakers. I just need something to
pick up the Spotify music from their phones (multiple different users)
and 'just work'. If I can keep the ability to play our own files, from
the server, then that's a bonus. However, I'm no longer particularly
attached to that. I don't play that much music myself, and when I do,
I'm at my computer. I can play what I want when I want. It's the family
use that I'm trying to sort.

What would you guys suggest?

Should I just get some Bluetooth speakers and bypass the audio system
that we've got?
Is the problem just down to old players? Would something like a Logitech
Squeezebox Touch stream Spotify, from different users, easily and with
close to 100% success?
Is the problem down to me, and even these old players should work?
Should I be buying some Rasberry Pi's, and cases for them, and
screens(?) and dotting those around that house?

And whichever solution you suggest, can you tell me how much money it's
going to cost.

Thanks,
Damian



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Re: [slim] Register your appreciation .....

2020-12-03 Thread edwin2006


Good initiative and done.
Well spent money to keep my music system alive!



*SqueezeBoxes:* 1x Transporter (Living room) 1x SB2 (shed), 1x Radio
(Kitchen), 1x Boom (Dining room), 1x piCorePlayer (jacuzzi), 1x
piCorePlayer (Garden) 1x OSMC + Squeezelite (Movie room), 1x Touch
(Study 2), few spare unit's
*Server:* LMS on Pi3 7.9.1. on PcP 3.21
*Network:* AVM Fritzbox, Netgear Smart Switch 24p, 3x Ubiquity

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Re: [slim] Call for testers! Daphile

2020-12-03 Thread foxesden


Krusta wrote: 
> Can anyone help a newcomer? What is the gain control good for? I am not
> sure what to do with the Gain control? 
> 
> My understanding is that you can use the slider to make an adjustment to
> compare filters at the same volume. 
> 
> But, what does it mean when I get a peak of +2.66 dB, as you can see in
> the screenshot?
> 
> 31357

I am not an expert on this by any means, but I have recently been
playing around with various DRC tools. 

When you make a correction you are attempting to force the sound profile
to fit an ideal curve, maybe flat, maybe harmon curve or some other
"ideal". To do this the correction will reduce the voume of peaks and
increase the volume of troughs throughout the audio spectrum.
Sometimes the increase in a trough maybe too much for the amplifier (or
speakers) to handle and can cause clipping. By reducing the overall gain
you give the system leeway to increase the volume of the troughs but
still to stay under 0db.

When you are getting a peak of +2.66db I think that is referring to the
amount of boost to a particular frequency that is needed to cancel out a
trough, and is a guldeline to the overall gain that you should be
applying to avoid peaking over 0db. i.e. -2.68db.



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