Re: [slim] Re: Streaming over the internet
On 1/15/07, neyz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's so GREAT thanks !! The box has 100mb upload and i have a 20megs internet connection so there shouldn't be any problem.. i'm a little more worried on the quality of the wireless connection but that's another story.. Thank you ! You can use SoftSqueeze to test it (after you install, connect to the web interface and go to Help). Also, Slimserver has not been security tested our audited, so you might want to do some IP address limiting or tunneling to access your server. At the least, your collection will be open to anyone, at the most some prankster might decide you would like to hear some full volume Prince at 3 AM. -- I spent all me tin with the ladies drinking gin, So across the Western ocean I must wander -- traditional ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Night terrors caused by SqueezeBox
On 1/15/07, CatBus [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Trying not to jump on the sarcasm train... ... You're a better person than I am, and I can appreciate that :) In my opinion, SlimDevices COULD do something to improve this. If the user has opted for a blank screensaver for off mode, then I think it's perfectly reasonable to assume they don't want the thing to display messages at them when it's off. So it shouldn't. When the user turns the thing on, and there's a server connectivity problem, THEN it displays the message--because it's on and the user expects to see messages displayed when it's on. Seems like a reasonable approach to me. Yeah, I agree with this in theory. Blank screen should be blank no matter what. The problem in practice is that there is no other indicator of status, hence all the people who've complained of broken screens after someone sat on the remote and set brightness all the way off. -- I spent all me tin with the ladies drinking gin, So across the Western ocean I must wander -- traditional ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Apple Iphone= Idiotphone?
Ah, Henny Penny, said Chicken Little, the sky is falling, and I must go and tell the king. How do you know that the sky is falling, Chicken Little? asked Henny Penny. I saw it with my eyes, I heard it with my ears, and a bit of it fell on my head, said Chicken Little. I will go with you to the king, said Henny Penny. -- I spent all me tin with the ladies drinking gin, So across the Western ocean I must wander -- traditional ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Apple Iphone= Idiotphone?
On 1/14/07, totoro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I love my sb3. As far as I'm concerned, my quality of life improved a lot when I got it. But I haven't been able to convince any of my friends to get one. One friend _did_ decide to build a quiet pc and stick it in his living room with a dac, but that's as close as I got. World population: 6,525,170,264 (July 2006 est.) This website (http://www.internetworldstats.com/stats7.htm) gives an English-speaking Internet users estimate of 327,084,785. 1 percent market penetration is 3,270,847 people, who buy an guesstimated average of 2.5 Squeezeboxes each, maybe for a total price of $600 or so (sales and freebies and what have you). That's $1,962,508,200. In other words, products can be successful without anyone you know buying them. -- I spent all me tin with the ladies drinking gin, So across the Western ocean I must wander -- traditional ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Apple Iphone= Idiotphone?
Yes, I can add and subtract, too. As you might have noticed, I was talking about my inability to get anyone else to by one. Sorry to offend, I was trying to reassure :) The thing about sales is, you need to be solving something. Someone who is happy with their ipod and its dock is lacking a problem to solve. Someone who's not happy with that solution is a potential prospect, but if they have a problem with running a computer full-time, this isn't the right solution for them, unless they're happy with SqueezeNetwork only. As that pool of prospects grows, the canned Slimserver product that gets discussed from time to time becomes more important. If I had to predict what's next in the product lineup, I'd certainly look in that direction. I was a little surprised that I couldn't get anyone else interested in one, since my circle of friends and acquaintances includes a lot of engineers and programmers, as well as music lovers. I'm admittedly no salesman, but I would have thought I would have gotten _someone_ else to get one. Only if they have a problem which matches the solution you're offering. Part of this is due to the fact that many of these people perceived the thing as fussy to set up. This seems like the biggest issue to me. If you really want to sell some of these, start with the people in your circle of friends who've bought home automation products. If there aren't any, you might not have the right circle of friends for this product :) And let's face it: lots of the people I'm concerned with do have ipods, so the problem isn't that they don't like computer based audio products. You might as well try to sell Squeezeboxes to people who don't own stereos. -- I spent all me tin with the ladies drinking gin, So across the Western ocean I must wander -- traditional ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Apple Iphone= Idiotphone?
On 1/14/07, CardinalFang [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jack Coates;170208 Wrote: Ah, Henny Penny, said Chicken Little, the sky is falling, and I must go and tell the king. I sincerely hope the Slim team don't adopt that ostrich-like approach. Whether it turns out to be a threat or not, when the 800 pound gorilla comes stomping into your market, you'd best take notice. I'm just remembering the predictions of doom which have followed every single entrance into this market by every single large consumer electronics producer (doubled whenever it's Apple, even if the product doesn't actually compete). And yet, doom has failed to occur. Maybe you're right and this is the one which will finally do it, but right now I'm feeling good about mocking the doom-saying. -- I spent all me tin with the ladies drinking gin, So across the Western ocean I must wander -- traditional ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Apple Iphone= Idiotphone?
... * No Exchange or Office support. No exchange support is good, the rest sucks. Exchange does IMAP and should do SyncML too. ... The thing is a toy and will only be used by SOHO folks and soccer moms; end of story. It telegraphs that for all their talk about enterprise, Apple, Inc (no longer Apple Computers) is still not inclined to work instead of play. Wake me when the XServe ships with a 49 cent (in bulk) IPMI chip. -- I spent all me tin with the ladies drinking gin, So across the Western ocean I must wander -- traditional ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Slimserver, Shoutcast and Winamp
On 1/8/07, MrSinatra [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jack Coates;168445 Wrote: It's almost as if some streams come from farther across the Internet than others, and have more network hops... nah, that's crazy talk. Never mind. i live 40minutes from the source of the stream. yet other streams (and all other streams are farther away from me than 40min), did work. yes, i know geography isn't equal to net distance, but still, i don't think the PSU.edu traffic goes to china b4 it gets to me 40min away. They have these things called diagnostic tools you know. traceroute, ping, and ethereal are almost everywhere, iptraf or bing would be great if you're on *nix. Your hesitance to use them and post results instead of SHOUTING a lot leads to my unwillingness to accept that you've thoroughly eliminated all the other possible problems. You haven't posted the results of a network bandwidth plugin test, you haven't reported if it works when you moved to wired, and you haven't said that you've used anything like *stumbler to validate your wireless neighborhood. Maybe you've done all these things and are insulted that anyone would impugn your troubleshooting capabilities, but that hasn't been communicated adequately (except for the insulted part). ... until recently. Now, if I only look at one problem in isolation, is it the failing NICs, or is it some Linux kernel bug, or is it Slim Devices firmware? Kinda hard to say until the whole thing fails, right? sorry, but what exactly is your point? that we can't be certain its SD so we shouldn't focus on it and focus on everything else instead? The point is that focusing on a single device in a complex system is a great way to chase your own tail. This is what the OSI layers are for. at the time i was having the problem, i STILL had ruled out all other possibilities within reason. LOCAL 256kbps mp3s worked, SOME other net streams worked, but some didn't. does the wireless care which stream i listen to??? Yes, obviously, because the buffer is draining. If the data flow is marginal upstream of your location, hiccups in the last loop (wireless in this case) become more prominent. Bear in mind that Winamp on your PC has more than 25 megabits of buffer to work with. and how close would a microwave need to be? and would they have it on 24/7? a) Depends how leaky it is. b) What about a cordless phone? Or a generator? Or a home electronics kit? Maybe you're down the street from ezkcdude, building DACs in his garage :) I don't know that there is interference in your wireless loop, but I haven't seen you effectively rule it out by posting that the network bandwidth plugin is solidly 100%, so I'm mentioning it. now, just b/c i can't tell you it isn't my neighbors nuclear powered microwave with the certainty of god, doesn't mean, or imo, SHOULDN'T mean that we can't put the focus where it belongs, on the SD product. this is the reasonable most likely possibility at this point, unless u can explain why you think it should be something else, given the results as i described, (meaning some other streams worked, or the local stuff worked wirelessly). I'm all done talking. Good luck, -- I spent all me tin with the ladies drinking gin, So across the Western ocean I must wander -- traditional ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Introducing..... me!
On 1/8/07, MrSinatra [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hi Jim, as you can see, SD forums are basically two camps, cheerleaders and cranks. I'd actually rename those camps to those who bought what they want and those who want something else but bought a Squeezebox anyway :) i'm a crank. i guess my problem is that i know exactly what i want, and no one makes it. i have a SB2, and like most people, i think the web UI stinks. sorry, but thats my opinion cheerleaders, and i'm entitled to it. Aaargh!!! To the barricades me hearties, defeat this infidel Oh wait, I actually don't care at all. Sorry for the confusion. I don't think you can say most people without something to back it up. Here's a stab at a poll: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=31443 -- I'd say that every vote for Option 2 or Option 4 is a vote you can count against the stock interfaces :) my other concerns are that the SS software is very buggy, that the display is only on the device, not the remote, (a big problem for me and many others i'm sure) and that only SS software powers the device; it can't be used as an external soundcard, (and therefore you can't winamp it or itunes or dvd, or whatever...) Four issues conflated into one sentence... 1) Slimserver is buggy, yes, and I'd personally like to see either more rapid releases, or a move to the perpetual beta idea of these Web 2.0 companies. Dump the release idea altogether and just put a link to the latest nightly up on the download page. 2) Display on the remote is requested from time to time. Does nothing for me, but you go right ahead. 3) Having alternate servers would be mildly interesting, except that it would require switching from SS or SN to whatever, and back. 4) A VLW (very long wire) mode has the same problem, plus a requirement to disable the buffer (which means that wireless users will have even more problems than they do now). At the end of the day, either of these issues end up with a device that does exactly what far cheaper alternatives do (Airport Express for instance). Not saying that's a bad thing to add-on, just that I have no need for it. it [ss] also in recent versions has developed a weakness in streaming internet stations b/c now the hardware does it alone. i like that paradigm, but the hardware needs to be as robust as software streaming solutions, (like winamp). some ISPs are flaky, SD products must recognize that. if winamp can do it, SD hardware better be able to do it too. I don't use enough Internet radio to comment, though I do think it's kind of specious to use Winamp running on a full computer as your standard to judge the SB by. some of this has been gone over before, please see these links: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28821 (interestingly, its the cheerleaders who are the most paranoid about logitech, whereas i'm not at all) huh? I must have missed the score card, and the team rosters too :) I'm pretty happy with the Squeezebox/Slimserver system as it stands, but I'm in favor of the Logitech acquisition, but I like to mock the people who scream that the sky is falling because their favorite feature isn't present, so which team am I on? -- I spent all me tin with the ladies drinking gin, So across the Western ocean I must wander -- traditional ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Slimserver, Shoutcast and Winamp
On 1/8/07, MrSinatra [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: if i'm defensive, its b/c i KNOW its not the wireless. this isn't the first thread this has been gone over in, don't assume i haven't tackled all the possibilities it was in my power to do so. probably half my posts are on this topic. fyi, it was only SOME streams that had the problem, not all did, and local music didn't. if it were the wireless, that wouldn't be the case. andyg seems to agree that in my case, it probably isn't the wireless. It's almost as if some streams come from farther across the Internet than others, and have more network hops... nah, that's crazy talk. Never mind. and the other side of the coin is that all too often people will keep harping on the wireless angle b/c they either believe thats it 99% of the time, or b/c they love SD so much they don't want to admit it might have a problem. I've had SD firmware problems, and I'm certainly willing to believe that they exist. It was over 3 years ago and I think there's only been one similar problem since then. That said, wireless problems are a lot more common. You say nothing has changed, and I'm sure nothing has changed within your house. Do you live out of range of other equipment in the 900 MHz and/or 2.4 GHz range though? Maybe your neighbor bought a microwave. You've said things got better recently... maybe your neighbor didn't like it and returned it. I'm just trying to point out that it's really easy to say I KNOW it's not my problem, but it's a little harder to be sure that it's not your problem. I got to spend this morning in my crawlspace after my server/router decided to barf when the outside temperature dropped to freezing; turns out that the server's NICs are failing, and the symptoms are certainly comparable to yours; jiggling the wires puts it all back to rights for now, but who knows. I've never had good Internet radio or VoIP or Webex performance, but I've written it off as ISP trouble until recently. Now, if I only look at one problem in isolation, is it the failing NICs, or is it some Linux kernel bug, or is it Slim Devices firmware? Kinda hard to say until the whole thing fails, right? -- I spent all me tin with the ladies drinking gin, So across the Western ocean I must wander -- traditional ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Introducing..... me!
2. Frequently unstable software. I appreciate that the dev team works so hard, but they just don't have the resources they need for proper testing. (and aren't long on the charisma necessary to recruit new testers... at one point, I was kind of trying to volunteer as a tester, and got chased off.) 3. The website says 'use the the stable build, the nightlies are dangerous', when in actual fact, that's exactly backwards. The devs think that 'stable' means 'code that isn't changing' -- whether or not it actually works. They left up a completely broken release for about two weeks. When I complained, I was told it was 'stable' code, and thus shouldn't be changed. It didn't work -- it couldn't work -- but it was 'stable', so they didn't fix it for ages. Anyone downloading the software in that window (I think this was the first release of 6.3.0) simply would not have a working server. From my perspective, that's a customer relations disaster. If it's broken and you can't fix it immediately, pull it and put the old one up. Most folks think of 'stable' code as an implied promise that the program will work. Knowingly putting them through pain and frustration is extremely bad customer service. I agree with these points. 4. Perl. The existing server is written in Perl, and it's slow. It's fine on a big machine -- I run it on a dual core Linux server, and it's very quick -- but it's sluggish on small boxes. That means you can't easily put out an NSLU3 with the server built right in. (The NSLU2 does run SlimServer, but it's very slow. 6.5 may be better, but 6.2.X was glacial.) That said, however, there is a huge pile of work in that code, and it's not something that should lightly be abandoned. The CUE/FLAC logic was particularly hard to work out, judging from the number of odd little buglets I've seen over the years. This would be correct if the NSLU2 was an advertised build target -- you're essentially complaining that you bought a Jaguar V12 and had a lot of trouble fitting it into your Chevy Sprint :) More to the point, Perl's problems for that platform are caused by it's being a high-level, cross-platform language, and any other high-level, cross-platform language you'd care to rewrite in will have the same problems. The cost of doing cross-platform C is pretty high, so then cross-platform goes out the window, along with a very large portion of the customers. A lot of people complain about Perl without any foundation for doing so, which alienates the developers, causing the attitude you complain about, and obscures any real issues which Perl may or may not have. As the development platform for Slimserver, the only problem I can really see with Perl is its history: a lot of people learned Perl as their first language, blamed all their mistakes on it, and moved on to something else while badmouthing Perl to the skies. ... -- I spent all me tin with the ladies drinking gin, So across the Western ocean I must wander -- traditional ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Introducing..... me!
On 1/7/07, Skunk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: *Feature not yet supported by Squeezebox +---+ |Filename: cake.jpg | |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=2232| +---+ Now that's what I'm talkin about! That's looking like gd cake. -- I spent all me tin with the ladies drinking gin, So across the Western ocean I must wander -- traditional ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Introducing..... me!
On 1/5/07, tyler_durden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Welcome! Here are my thoughts. When was the last time you bought an item at the store and and had to jump through hoops for a week to get it working and were satisfied with the purchase? Straw man. You're trying to simplify the purchase of a complex system into the terms of a simple system. Besides which, you're still incorrect -- I'll bet you, like most people, have a junk drawer full of simple items that didn't work out but are too inexpensive and unimportant to bother returning. The whole system is too complicated for your average Joe Blow. People see/hear the SB3 and think it's great, but then they find out what is involved in setting it up and they balk at the ripping/tagging, network setup, server setup, and etc. I think if you want to go mass market you will need to do some sort of server hardware as someone said in a previous post. If it doesn't work right out of the box it will never become a consumer item. Another straw man, and a familiar one from the OS fanboy arguments... first the argument never takes into account people's willingness to take action for an outcome (how many Joe Blow types are able to successfully work their VCRs or Motorola phones, both of which could take UI tips from Slimserver), and second the argument assumes that 99% penetration of the electricity-using population is in fact a reasonable goal. You might even have to start your own itunes' type operation (or make a deal with one of the existing ones) where you supply CORRECTLY tagged flac files, either a disc or song at a time, that can be ordered via the SB remote control. Maybe set up your own web radio station to play new releases and have a purchase button on the remote. Leave out the DRM (digital restrictions management) or forget the whole idea. That seems insane to me. You may need to think about streaming video, too. I don't think there are many audio only systems left in the world except among audio maniacs. By that logic, there should also be a games console. Quite frankly, by that logic the thing should make cake. I've asked for it a number of times now, and my wishes are being ignored... come on, LogiSlimTechDevices I want a cake maker in my SqueezeBox! -- I spent all me tin with the ladies drinking gin, So across the Western ocean I must wander -- traditional ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Memory not being written error - HELP!!!
On 1/6/07, Scoop [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I get the following error part way through the scanning process for my Squeezebox: The instruction at 0x28089994 referenced memory at 0x0004. The memory could not be written. The scanning process ends at this point and my entire music library is not scanned and therefore it is not accessible. Does anyone have a solution??? Please!!! Thanks, Scoop. Sounds like bad RAM to me. -- I spent all me tin with the ladies drinking gin, So across the Western ocean I must wander -- traditional ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] How to enable standby and resume?
On 1/6/07, erichabg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Squeezebox sends a WOL packet when it powers on and finds that the server isn't around. It must be on the same wired LAN for that to work; routers block the magic packet. Make sure you've enabled WOL in the BIOS of your server. As for your other question, check out the PowerSave plugin. -- I spent all me tin with the ladies drinking gin, So across the Western ocean I must wander -- traditional ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] How to enable standby and resume?
On 1/6/07, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jack Coates wrote: On 1/6/07, erichabg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Squeezebox sends a WOL packet when it powers on and finds that the server isn't around. It must be on the same wired LAN for that to work; routers block the magic packet. Make sure you've enabled WOL in the BIOS of your server. As for your other question, check out the PowerSave plugin. Why wouldn't it work on a wireless LAN bridged with a wired LAN? That's the usual configuration for a network isn't it? If the computer side is wired and the Squeezebox side is wireless and it's a bridge, not a router, then yes, it should work. -- I spent all me tin with the ladies drinking gin, So across the Western ocean I must wander -- traditional ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Help !
On 1/6/07, pjdowns [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For Christmas my fiance bought me a Squeezebox 2. This is an excellent bit of kit and considering what it is and the price it doesn't sound half bad in my system either ! congratulations! ... 1. The server occasionally locks up while in use causes blips in the music and very occasionally locks up the entire machine and I have to switch it off at the power button. (Surely not ... this is a Mac ;) Yes, they do suck just as much as much as any other computer :) In particular, they tend to be slow. How much RAM, is it busy doing other stuff? The network health plugin might be useful too (use this from the Squeezebox's remote). Also, do you have iTunes integration turned on or are you using the music folder? 2. The Slim Devices network system doesn't appear to be able to find all of the albums that I have converted. These seem to be primarily Greatest Hits albums. Could this be anything to do with the way that I have ripped them ? It's probably a tagging issue -- how are the tracks organized and tagged? -- I spent all me tin with the ladies drinking gin, So across the Western ocean I must wander -- traditional ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Introducing..... me!
... Actually, I'm an engineer and I don't have anything sitting in a drawer that doesn't work. I fix most of my stuff when it croaks, and other people's stuff, too. When I buy something that doesn't work it goes back immediately. If something dies and is unrepairable, I throw usually it away, unless I can harvest some interesting parts before I throw it away. I make a lot of my own stuff. You can see some of it here: http://mark.rehorst.com Cool stuff -- so okay, you don't have a junk drawer, but I still think that it's not that unusual :) I had no trouble setting up my SB3 system, but I have maintained computers for other people for years, so I am familiar with Joe Blow's ability to deal with computer networks, software to rip, compress, and tag music files, and his ability to fix it when something goes wrong. I am also familiar with the effort he is willing to expend to get that cool sound system up and running. Most are not willing to do so. Correct -- and that's okay. The same fellow doesn't have an RJ-45 crimper, either, and is more inclined to replace his wireless router than to change its default channel to one that doesn't conflict. He is not the target consumer for this product. If you want to make a product for him, fine, but changing this one into his product is a Bad Idea(TM). Streaming video is obvious, making cake isn't. Correct -- it's a reductio ad absurdum argument, used in order to point out that streaming video is outside of the functionality that the Slim Devices product line is currently targeted at. A video streaming product would be kinda cool, but it's not a Squeezebox+Slimserver, and I don't think it should be. I think what is needed here is to separate the SB audio system from the home computer system. That means a box that works the minute you plug it in because that is all that Joe Blow can handle. That means plug in an internet connection, a CD player/ripper (or have one built in), all the software to rip, compress, and tag the music, a big HDD to store it on, and preconfigured wireless networking. Essentially a Sonos or similar competitive system without the amps built into the remote receivers and hopefully without the high prices, too. There is only one reason to go into a market with a well-defined owner, and that is to trounce them by doing a better job. Sonos wins the turnkey solution folks, Slim wins the hackers. -- I spent all me tin with the ladies drinking gin, So across the Western ocean I must wander -- traditional ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Help !
... 2. Although it has to be said that the blips are sometimes there. I have just upgraded the Squeezebox's version by holding down the brightness button. Hopefully it will be better now. The Mac doesn't do anything else other than this at present. It does however seem to get a bit confused if it is downloading something else on the network or if I am using one of the other computers I have and downloading something on the internet, but then again that makes total sense. The Mac has 2GB RAM so should be enough and it is one of the last True Macs, being a G5 and using the Motorolla Chip rather than the Intel. I am using the Music Folder rather than ITunes. Felt this was slightly better, am I correct ?. One note, When you look in the music folder rather than under Artists I can find all of the albums correctly. It is only when looking under either Albums or Artists that there appears to be an issue. That all sounds fine... the firmware upgrade probably will help, especially if you go to a 6.5.1 nightly from http://www.slimdevices.com/downloads/nightly/ One other thing to try is to use your remote to go to Plugins Network Test, then press down until you see problems. 3. I used ITunes to burn them all, that is as far as I know ?? Sorry I am now slightly lost ! I don't like iTunes or Mac myself, but basically you need to modify the tags for those albums. Are the tracks present when you browse by artist? Do you have your music in Artist Album folders? -- I spent all me tin with the ladies drinking gin, So across the Western ocean I must wander -- traditional ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Dean Blackketter
On 1/4/07, jonheal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just curious ... Is Dean on sabatical, or prehaps off to greener pastures? I told you in this thread, http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30332highlight=dean+eaten He was drawn, quartered, and eaten by the Logitech board of directors in a cannibalistic orgy of corporate evil. I mean honestly, if people can't use a search engine, what's to be done. Just messing around :) -- I spent all me tin with the ladies drinking gin, So across the Western ocean I must wander -- traditional ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Smiles and Kisses
On 1/3/07, Recoveryone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ross L;166866 Wrote: FWIW we don't put our software on CDs because we'd have to update the CDs constantly. Did you know our engineers do nightly builds? Yes I'm aware of the nightly builds, I had to use the 6.5.1 build to get my slim server to work properly. Many compaines put out a base software disk for there product and during install have the customer get the lastest drivers online. My thought was to have a proven basic model that worked on 97% of all PC's that would give the consumer an solid starting point. From what I read and the experience of what I've have been through over the last week dealing with the slim server softsqueeze program leaves a bad taste with many and causes undue worry about the performance of the actual product. It's a tough one -- I hear what you're saying, but those same companies usually do two or three updates to fix the really awful bugs and then stop development on the software. I'd be a lot less happy with the Slimserver if it was still back on version 2.0 :) Then again, there are people who would be thrilled... you can't please everyone, and right now the majority seems to like rapid development. -- I spent all me tin with the ladies drinking gin, So across the Western ocean I must wander -- traditional ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Server not recognizing muliple albums as single disk
On 1/2/07, SteveK [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have some disks or shows that are broken up into folders, by set or disk. While the track numbers are set up to be sequential and the album/show titles are tagged properly, slim server lists them as 2 albums. THe setting is set in the server software to treat multi-disk sets as a single album, but it does not appear to be doing it correctly. Have i missed something? Thanks. there's a tag called discinfo, delete it from all your tracks. -- I spent all me tin with the ladies drinking gin, So across the Western ocean I must wander -- traditional ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Server not recognizing muliple albums as single disk
On 1/2/07, Jack Coates [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 1/2/07, SteveK [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have some disks or shows that are broken up into folders, by set or disk. While the track numbers are set up to be sequential and the album/show titles are tagged properly, slim server lists them as 2 albums. THe setting is set in the server software to treat multi-disk sets as a single album, but it does not appear to be doing it correctly. Have i missed something? Thanks. there's a tag called discinfo, delete it from all your tracks. Sorry, I meant discnumber. -- I spent all me tin with the ladies drinking gin, So across the Western ocean I must wander -- traditional ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Can I access music files on more than one computer with one Squeezebox?
On 1/1/07, Rick B. Rick.B..2jqxw01167679802@no-mx.forums.slimdevices.com wrote: Can't seem to find an answer to this simple question: If I have two or more computers on one network can I access music files on all of them with one Squeezebox? If yes, do all computers need to have Slimserver app installed? Thanks. Install Slimserver on computer a. map network drives from computers b, c, and d on computer a make a directory on computer a which contains symlinks or aliases or shortcuts (depending on the OS you run) to those directories. -- I spent all me tin with the ladies drinking gin, So across the Western ocean I must wander -- traditional ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: SlimServer - A pain in the ass...
On 12/29/06, Recoveryone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I too have had the same problem with the slim server software on my more powerful system (P4 2.8 gighz with 2 gig of ram twin 80 gigHD) I also installed the slim server on the kids system (P3 800mhz 1gig ram with twin 20 gigHD) the slim server works like is says on the kids system, but it has never work correctly on my system. Some times when it works/pops up I try to have the slim ware scan my music files and it never finish's other times I can't get the slim ware to pop up at all. I have re-install it 10-12 times even deleting files from the reg to make sure its a clean install. the only difference in these system on the connection side is that my system is wireless and the kids is hardwired to the router. which I dont see how that would effect the Um, if it works fine on your kid's system but goes slow on your system with faster hardware, you're probably not going to like the answer... a) it's security software on your system which isn't on your kid's system or is configured differently, so that your system goes slower. b) it's lack of security software, and your system is infested with no end of spyware which makes it go slow. Could be something more innocuous like wireless versus wired, but my bet's on spyware. -- I spent all me tin with the ladies drinking gin, So across the Western ocean I must wander -- traditional ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Slimserver shuts down by itself - why?
On 12/27/06, strapats [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i've been having the same problem here; slimserver just kept shutting down by itself and could only be restarted again manually. in the eventviewer i had the exact same error description. i'm running mcafee on my pc, and with mcafee unfortunately it's not possible to exclude *.myi and *.myd files from the virusscan. there is however another way to do this. virusscan options / active shield - advanced - select program files and documents only instead of all files. after i did this, my problems were history; been playing a folder with nearly 600 songs randomly for about 6 hours this christmas, and it never shut down by itself. still a pity i had to lower my security because of this though. A pity that NAI only sells the capability to granularly select programs and files for exclusion to enterprise customers? -- I spent all me tin with the ladies drinking gin, So across the Western ocean I must wander -- traditional ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Ideal remote to browse slimserver? (not nokia 770 though)
... PDAs suck even worse than computers, which suck pretty badly. The idea of having to manage my remote control, put it on a charging cradle when it's not in use, or wait for it to reload a web page fills me with shuddering horror. I've monkeyed around with the various options on an ipaq 4150 that I have, trying to find some way to make the little PoS useful, but instead it continues to gather dust on top of the bookshelf. SlimRemote, TelCanto, Handheld skin, Nokia 770 skin, all of them made me want to throw the little device away as soon as the oh, that's kind of nifty feeling of getting it to work was gone. The Squeezebox comes with a delightfully functional little remote that is interchangeable throughout the house. For night stand use, I'd upgrade to the lighted button remote. If you'd like something with lots more buttons for controlling more things, the Harmony line seems to make sense, though in my opinion the whole concept of a universal remote is deeply flawed. -- I spent all me tin with the ladies drinking gin, So across the Western ocean I must wander -- traditional ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] New Black SB3 Question
On 12/25/06, ErikM [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok I looked but didn't find a definitive answer so : Does the new Black SB3 come with the lighted remote??? no. It comes with the new style, but the buttons aren't lighted. -- I spent all me tin with the ladies drinking gin, So across the Western ocean I must wander -- traditional ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Long delay before playing tracks
On 12/20/06, Fatspoon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've just set up a Squeezebox 3 with v6.5 and am finding that there's a 30-60 seconds delay before each track begins to play. The squeezebox doesn't resond during this delay. The same delay appears in between tracks and also when I attempt to play anything via the Slimserver. weird. Try the performance monitoring tool in Help? -- I spent all me tin with the ladies drinking gin, So across the Western ocean I must wander -- traditional ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Two external hard drives?
On 12/21/06, yooper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: While waiting for my transporter, I'm trying to set things up properly beforehand. I use a Mac and have just bought a second external hard drive. All my music is ripped using ALAC via iTunes. I have installed Slimserver and am not sure what I need to do to get both external hard drives working with iTunes and the Transporter? Is there a second step that needs to be addressed in the iTunes preferences? Do I leave the iTunes music folder in its default position located in the music folder on the Mac Mini? No music is on the Mini, it is located on my older external drive. You have two choices: 1) Use iTunes and tell it how to find all the music. I don't use iTunes, so I can't give you more details on this, but Slimserver is supposed to be able to read its database. 2) Make a folder and put aliases to both your disks in it, then tell Slimserver to use that folder as its music folder. -- I spent all me tin with the ladies drinking gin, So across the Western ocean I must wander -- traditional ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: SB3 as alarm clock: what speakers?
On 12/21/06, ceejay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for the responses. The Creative device looks nice, but its too big, too expensive, and anyway isn't the tivoli that I've just bought! There are at least two pictures of people using this setup on the forum - how have you solved the interference problem? And what is that aerial connector on the back? I'm using the Tivoli with an SB3 on top and the dangly string aerial -- I hardly ever use the radio, but I don't hear interference when I do. I've have some ground loop problems, but bundling up all the slack cables with rubberbands took care of it. -- I spent all me tin with the ladies drinking gin, So across the Western ocean I must wander -- traditional ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: SB3 as alarm clock: what speakers?
On 12/21/06, ceejay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jack Coates;164067 Wrote: I'm using the Tivoli with an SB3 on top and the dangly string aerial -- I hardly ever use the radio, but I don't hear interference when I do. I've have some ground loop problems, but bundling up all the slack cables with rubberbands took care of it. Thanks: interesting, because the interference is massive for me - the radio is completely unusable. Are you using the stock power supply for the SB? yes. I just double-checked, and FM radio sounds totally fine. -- I spent all me tin with the ladies drinking gin, So across the Western ocean I must wander -- traditional ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Flip display for kitchen installation
On 12/19/06, coldslabs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here is a thread about mounting a SB2 upside down: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=15633 probably best off to buy a used sb2 from ebay. -- I spent all me tin with the ladies drinking gin, So across the Western ocean I must wander -- traditional ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Perl_Tstack_sp_ptr
RH9 has some issues, which is to be expected since support was dropped by RH about 3 years ago :) I'm running SuSE myself, no problems. Anyway, try running the /usr/local/slimserver/bin/build-modules.pl script. On 12/16/06, nosbod [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: HI, i've just installed slimserver on a redhat 9 box and i'm getting this error: #./slimserver.pl --daemon /usr/bin/perl: relocation error: /usr/local/slimserver/CPAN/arch/5.8/i386-linux/auto/Time/HiRes/HiRes.so: undefined symbol: Perl_Tstack_sp_ptr anybody any ideas? ps This is after i have linked /usr/local/slimserver/CPAN/arch/5.8/i386-linux-thread-multi /usr/local/slimserver/CPAN/arch/5.8/i386-linux which i had to do in order for it not to complain about missing modules. I can't see myself purchasing a squeezebox without the server software working! Cheers -- nosbod nosbod's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9017 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30675 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss -- I spent all me tin with the ladies drinking gin, So across the Western ocean I must wander -- traditional ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Ideas for Squeezebox 4
Of course, if that's the only point, one could argue that it really ought to have an ipod dock in it too. And some speakers. In fact, why not just build a squeezebox into an existing dock? In all honesty, an ipod dock is much more feasible than a usb reader. On 12/14/06, slimkid [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh, those are easy to answer: autopilot;162375 Wrote: Would not work, but why would you want to do this anyway? To be able to walk to the SB, stick in the memory card and listen to what's on it. autopilot;162375 Wrote: It defies the whole point of the squeezebox, surely? And the whole point of the SB is? Oh, yes, listening to the music. Sorry couldn't resist :). -- slimkid slimkid's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8881 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30399 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss -- I spent all me tin with the ladies drinking gin, So across the Western ocean I must wander -- traditional ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Upgraded router firmware - now SB3 can't find DHCP server
On 12/13/06, Jimw [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i have a linksys wrt54gs v.6 with v.1.50.9 firmware, but my SB3 cannot find the dhcp server. is this a similar problem to the wrt54g? if so does anyone know a way round the problem thanks typically router upgrades wipe the old configuration. Log into the router and make sure that encryption and mac address blocking are still like you want them. You can also set a static IP on your Squeezebox... -- I spent all me tin with the ladies drinking gin, So across the Western ocean I must wander -- traditional ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Ideas for Squeezebox 4
On 12/13/06, bklaas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Must. Have. Knob. I played with it at their open house last week, didn't like it as much as I thought I would. The big thing is that I frequently do more than one thing at once -- so I was talking with Jez and playing with the knob, and when I'd hit the end of a list it would make this nasty YOU'RE GONNA BREAK IT grind. Keep in mind that some lists are like two or three items long... To borrow from HHGTG, Looks like a fish, moves like a fish, steers like a cow. So obviously I started being more delicate, but the fact is there's just not a lot of room in my life for devices that can't take their fair share of abuse. The knob reminds me of my Macbook -- sexy looking in the showroom, but kind of annoying to actually use, and way overly delicate. The Macbook (two months old, broken DVD, scratched case, flaky wireless, flaky camera) gathers dust most of the time while my ugly black Thinkpad (one year old, some case scratches where I took off the badges) gets used all day every day. Squeezeboxes are not built for being handled like laptops are supposed to be... that would change with a built-in knob. The whole design would need to get tougher, in case it gets knocked over. Remember the guy whose VFD broke when he dropped it? -- I spent all me tin with the ladies drinking gin, So across the Western ocean I must wander -- traditional ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Ideas for Squeezebox 4
On 12/13/06, snarlydwarf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jack Coates;162235 Wrote: I played with it at their open house last week, didn't like it as much as I thought I would. The big thing is that I frequently do more than one thing at once -- so I was talking with Jez and playing with the knob, and when I'd hit the end of a list it would make this nasty YOU'RE GONNA BREAK IT grind. Keep in mind that some lists are like two or three items long... To borrow from HHGTG, Looks like a fish, moves like a fish, steers like a cow. Well the grind is faked since it's force-feedback. That could change. Knobs dont interest me since it would mean violating one of my basic rules in life: Plant Butt On Couch. Getting up to fiddle with things, regardless of how neat they may be, violates that. That's why I keep looking at Harmony remotes... and (*cough*) it would be nice if Logitech would make one optimized for SB. Something with roughly the form factor of a Nokia770, but that just controlled the SB. A bit of custom code on the controller and matching code in Slimserver and it could be quite slick. that's an idea I could get behind :) It would be broken quickly in my house, but I like the idea and it matches up with quite a lot of demand from the folks in this discussion group :) -- I spent all me tin with the ladies drinking gin, So across the Western ocean I must wander -- traditional ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Ideas for Squeezebox 4
On 12/13/06, Ben Sandee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 12/13/06, Tarn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But if you can avoid the bloat, you'll be able to sell the fancy remote for less than the cost of the squeezebox, and people will actually buy it. Cue the people who need to say that they won't buy it... Not until it makes cake. Or ponies. /just kidding -- I spent all me tin with the ladies drinking gin, So across the Western ocean I must wander -- traditional ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Missing songs
On 12/13/06, Justme [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: McAfee eh. Interesting, as I recently installed that. Would you know the walk around to this? Tell McAfee to whitelist MySQL. -- I spent all me tin with the ladies drinking gin, So across the Western ocean I must wander -- traditional ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Waking up Slimserver
On 12/12/06, cherryplinth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: fsoares;151212 Wrote: ...and parsing errors and thread not found when trying to connect to Internet Radio stations (that used to work perfectly until, as you say, a few weeks ago). I am not sure, but it seems to me that problems compounded after upgrading to 6.5.0 (by the way, where is 6.5.1? The web page talks about 6.5.0 as the current version!) When I bought Squeezebox (actually two of them, back in February) everything was amazingly simple and worked almost perfectly! Now, I barely am able to listen to music for more than ten minutes without interruptions or even disconnections. Not to speak of the inability to access stations and of the irritant inability in waking up, as you reported, or to connect to Squeezenetwork. Why don't the tech assistance people at SlimDevices jump in and make some light to us, or give us some hints about what went wrong (again, it used to be so good!)and when can we expect to have all this fixed? I kind of think that the tech assistance people were scared off from the mailing list/forum by all the lousy attitude and trash talk around the Logitech acquisition. It was ugly. So now, your best bet is to call support if you want to talk to them. -- I spent all me tin with the ladies drinking gin, So across the Western ocean I must wander -- traditional ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Ideas for Squeezebox 4
On 12/10/06, ezkcdude [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:... Holy read the entire thread batman! I've repeated numerous times that I was only suggesting an *additional* feature that would be convenient and nice to have. See the title of the thread. I use SlimServer every freakin' day! I've even built my own DAC for it. It's so frickin' annoying when people take posts out of context. Please, if you're going to flame, read *all* the posts of the person you're flaming. ... I have read all of the posts, yours included. I know that you own Squeezeboxes and a Slimserver and that you think this feature would add value to that system. I am still disagreeing with you over the utility of the feature that you're requesting. It happens. In fact, I sense that you're disagreeing with my opinion right now :) In my personal lexicon, flaming starts with the ad hominem attacks, and I don't think I've gone there, but if you'd rather not read dissenting opinions, I can drop it here. -- I spent all me tin with the ladies drinking gin, So across the Western ocean I must wander -- traditional ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: New Squeezebox?
On 12/11/06, Mario [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mitch Harding;161337 Wrote: True, but IMO it's a good investment. You never know what you might need in the future. If you buy a wired one and later need to put it in a place where you cannot conveniently run wires, you'll probably end up paying $50+ to make that happen. Thanks for the suggestion Mitch, but I've adequately wired my home with Ethernet cables on strategic points. Plus I have a couple of powerline devices which helps in case of needing LAN where there is not. So I've already spent the $50 ;-) Not sure where you live, but a Google for anodizing services just turned up quite a few options. I bet you could get the faceplate colored for less than the $50 price difference, especially if you want to get your existing faceplates done at the same time. -- I spent all me tin with the ladies drinking gin, So across the Western ocean I must wander -- traditional ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Ideas for Squeezebox 4
On 12/11/06, ezkcdude [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jack Coates;161380 Wrote: In all honesty, if you want to listen to digital music on your stereo without turning on a computer, why are you buying a Squeezebox? Buy a dock for your portable MP3 player, it's a lot cheaper. Well, maybe we can get closer to the truth, and it is contained in your previous post. Do you know of a (standalone) dock for an mp3 player that has an SPDIF output? Please tell me about it. Also, if the dock is so cheap, why can't this functionality be added to the SqueezeBox? If I could plug my mp3 player into the SqueezeBox through a USB port, this would be a great solution. Nope, I don't research products I don't need. A google search seemed to have plenty of hits, and I can tell you that my iRiver IHP-120 has SPDIF out right next to the headphone jack. As for the add it because it's cheap argument, this is pretty cheap too... why not add it? http://www.thinkgeek.com/geektoys/cubegoodies/854a/ -- I spent all me tin with the ladies drinking gin, So across the Western ocean I must wander -- traditional ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Ideas for Squeezebox 4
On 12/11/06, ezkcdude [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Peter, thanks for not attacking me as the others have. I just want to point out again, I am suggesting the *addition* of a feature, not taking away the server/client architecture. It must be possible to add a standalone mode. It's just a matter of cost. If the cost is too high, then it's not going to happen. I understand that completely. Where I disagree with the others is that I am not assuming -a priori- that the cost will be so high. I'm sorry that you feel attacked, that's not my intention. I don't like your idea because I doubt its utility and practicality, but I'm sure you're a fine person. -- I spent all me tin with the ladies drinking gin, So across the Western ocean I must wander -- traditional ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] PODCAST Subscriptions
On 12/9/06, drockcity74 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello All, I want to subscribe to podcasts on my own... specifically DiggNation... I'm having issues doing so. I'm sure it's rather simple... any suggestions? Web interface Server settings Plugins Podcasts Paste in the URL click okay. To listen, Remote Plugins Podcasts Title play -- I spent all me tin with the ladies drinking gin, So across the Western ocean I must wander -- traditional ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Ideas for Squeezebox 4
On 12/9/06, Pale Blue Ego [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: IMO, the whole idea of an on-device server and storage is a huge step backwards. There are plenty of other companies doing these fat clients. Feel free to choose one then live with the closed server, limited drive space, noise, and expense. I do think one viable solution in this direction would be a more sophisticated router, which could be configured to run the server and have memory card or USB slots for storage devices. Imagining a powerful computer with a Linux OS, preinstalled Slimserver, a terabyte or two of storage, and a wireless access point built into it? Sounds good. I'd still like to see a boombox form-factor Squeezebox though -- not with a built-in server or media reading, just with speakers and an FM/AM radio :) -- I spent all me tin with the ladies drinking gin, So across the Western ocean I must wander -- traditional ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: If your SB breaks, you're stuffed!
On 12/9/06, ikruspan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: gsalton;160708 Wrote: But in my case, I bought a CD from a street vendor in Bulgaria. Anyway, a year later, it stopped working, and Tori Amos refused to replace it. Man, Tori Amos sucks! Are you CRAZY ? What is wrong to have authorized repair for squeezbox near of your home ? When you buy SONY where you get repair ? in japan ??? When you buy LOGITECH must you send broken mice to California ??? I have to send my watch to Las Vegas to get it serviced. Mice are so cheap that no one services them, much like the average technical doohicky. The last few Sony items I've owned had to be sent to San Diego when they broke, which was so often that I quit buying Sony items. Las Vegas and San Diego are both in-country for me, but in shipping time and distance they're comparable to a London to Berlin shipment. I don't pay as much in tax, but I'm still without the item for long enough that it's just not worth it, so that I quit wearing the watch last time it stopped working. The point is that getting your Slim Devices items serviced is much like getting anything else serviced -- expensive and annoying, despite the best efforts of the vendor to provide decent service without going bankrupt. An ideal servicing would be to send you an onsite technician with a workbench in his van; short of that, servicing gear is not going to be enjoyable. -- I spent all me tin with the ladies drinking gin, So across the Western ocean I must wander -- traditional ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Ideas for Squeezebox 4
Yeah, like cake. When will it make cake, dammit? On 12/8/06, aubuti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ezkcdude;160775 Wrote: How about adding a physical memory slot (SD would be nice, or USB port) for playing music directly off a thumb drive? This way, you could play music directly off the thumb drive without having to turn on the computer. Were you planning to put the server software on the thumb drive, or in the SB (thus making it a fat device)? The SB only knows how to accept streams, and the average SD/USB memory doesn't know how to send them. I think it's great to brainstorm ideas, but let's not lose sight of the basic functions that still need to be done. -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30399 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss -- I spent all me tin with the ladies drinking gin, So across the Western ocean I must wander -- traditional ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] got my black on black
Here's what it looks like on top of a Tivoli Model Two (http://www.monkeynoodle.org/Photos/comp/none-more-black.png/view). I was concerned that it would look funny because I liked how my Squeezebox 2 neatly fit on top of the speaker radio box, but this isn't bad. The beer is North Coast Red Seal Ale (http://www.northcoastbrewing.com/red.htm), and much like the Squeezebox, you'll have to get your own :) -- I spent all me tin with the ladies drinking gin, So across the Western ocean I must wander -- traditional ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Ideas for Squeezebox 4
On 12/8/06, ezkcdude [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I apologize for suggesting something that is hard. There must be no way to do this. I didn't realize there aren't enough smart folks at Slim to figure out how to implement this. My bad. Oh, wait, I never said that. It's you guys who are implying they can't do it. Let's just stick to candy-colored faceplates and fancy display upgrades. Jokers. I totally agree with you -- looking at the advances in robotics and things like automatic bread makers, it is so obvious that the Squeezebox could be made to make cake. Why doesn't it do so yet? Damn it! I want my cake! -- I spent all me tin with the ladies drinking gin, So across the Western ocean I must wander -- traditional ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: got my black on black
On 12/8/06, nicketynick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Damn - that looks good! Oh, the SB/Tivoli isn't bad either :-) Pretty sure I'm not going to be able to find that around here. but then again, I'm enjoying a Creemore Springs Premium Lager... Yeah, there's some decent brews up there in Canadia... I just did the total dad thing and knocked together a little shelf for my daughter's room so she can get the hand-me-down SBG. Now there's a SB3 in my office and the living room, an SB2 in my son's room and an SBG in my daughter's room. I kick myself for selling the SliMP3, which would otherwise be in my bedroom. I really wish they'd bring that form factor back with the new guts, and maybe a big old Fresnel lens in front of it :) http://www.scifimoviepage.com/apr99pik.html -- I spent all me tin with the ladies drinking gin, So across the Western ocean I must wander -- traditional ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: this is a real challenge...slimserver problem
On 12/7/06, louish [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Michael, thanks for feedback. Will try that again, but as I said in post have tried all the usual reboots/factory resets without success. Are there any Mac SB people out there? Maybe this is a specific Apple problem. At risk of repeating myself, problem isn't really with SB (which works even with 6.5.1 as long as I connect directly to modem/router via ethernet) nor with the dlan (which works with anything but the SB at present), but getting the SB and dlan working together again as before. Maybe there was something in the Mac 6.5 update which has stopped the SB picking up IP via the dlan?Am I the only with this problem? I don't have a mac or a dlan, but try isolating slimserver out of the problem -- sounds like it doesn't get dhcp, so try setting a static address. Once that's done, can you ping the squeezebox when it's connected? -- I spent all me tin with the ladies drinking gin, So across the Western ocean I must wander -- traditional ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Logitech?
On 12/5/06, JJZolx [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: kkitts;159892 Wrote: What changes are in store due to the Logitech acquisition? Changes in price of the product? Personnel shakeups? Is Dean still with the company, or is he just taking an extended vacation? He was drawn, quartered, and eaten by the Logitech board of directors in a cannibalistic orgy of corporate evil. -- I spent all me tin with the ladies drinking gin, So across the Western ocean I must wander -- traditional ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Squeeze-o-holic
On 12/4/06, egd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Two SB3's - one in lounge, one in study, each feeding a preamp/poweramp combo. one question to everyone out there with multiple SBs - what are you connecting them to - a hi-fi speakers in every room can get very expensive very quickly? -- egd SB3 on the mantelpiece with a pair of Edirol MA-20Ds, SB2 in the office with a Tivoli Model Two and subwoofer, SB1 in my son's room with some cheap and cheesy 2.1 PC speakers. I just ordered a set of Logitech 2.1 PC speakers for my daughter's room, there's another SB3 coming this week and it's time to shuffle devices :) -- I spent all me tin with the ladies drinking gin, So across the Western ocean I must wander -- traditional ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Slimserver wants a FAST machine
On 12/4/06, Mitch Harding [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm running SS 6.5.1 (a nightly from a couple weeks back) on WinXP SP2 with a 1GHz Athlon and 512MB RAM. My typical playlists have 3-4k tracks. When I add or delete tracks from them, or try to save them, the web interface takes 5-10 seconds to respond to each transaction. While I am doing this, the clocks on my SBs often skip several seconds. This happens whether I make the changes locally on the SS system itself (via a web interface to localhost:9000) or from a different system, so I would be surprised if this was a network issue. I had always assumed this was normal SS behavior. Is there someone out there working with 3-4k playlists who is experiencing better response time? Hm, my comment was assuming a different use case; I don't build massive playlists and make changes in them; people who do that should comment on their performance. Still, as Triode points out, performance problems won't go away without some help in troubleshooting. -- I spent all me tin with the ladies drinking gin, So across the Western ocean I must wander -- traditional ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Let's here some suggestions for SlimServer 7
On 12/4/06, spacemarmot [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: SadGamerGeek;155209 Wrote: Why? Richard Since SlimServer is a non-trivial open source application, the ability to recruit quality contributors is hindered by clinging to an obsolete and misapplied programming language. SlimServer will not have much of a future if it cannot compete for developer interest with more forward-looking designs. You can think of starting a migration as a cost today or you can think of it as an investment in future productivity. patches welcome. -- I spent all me tin with the ladies drinking gin, So across the Western ocean I must wander -- traditional ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Let's here some suggestions for SlimServer 7
On 12/2/06, Pat Farrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... But the reality is that unless someone completes a rewrite in [insert your favorite language here] the SlimServer is written in Perl and maintained and enhanced by software engineers who are comfortable, productive and experienced in perl. ... /me applauds that was so much more complete of a smackdown than the usual patches welcome. You must have eaten your Wheaties this morning :) -- I spent all me tin with the ladies drinking gin, So across the Western ocean I must wander -- traditional ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Nokia 770
On 12/3/06, stevos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thats a good idea, any idea how well they run slimserver? About twenty brazillion times better than a linkstation :) The CPU and RAM differences alone will be most impressive. -- I spent all me tin with the ladies drinking gin, So across the Western ocean I must wander -- traditional ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Help....Slim Server Starts then Stops.
On 12/2/06, Diane. A [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all. Same problem. I've been a long time Slim2 user and love it. Purchased a Slim 3 wireless and got through the wireless setup issues (seperate story). Once I got the device connected and working, It was losing connection with SlimServer. Invetigation reveled that the slimserver service is crashing/stopping unexpectedly. Restarting results in the service reverting back to a stopped state (The SlimServer service terminated unexpectedly.) This is both 6.5.0 and 6.5_v2006-12-02. Multiple uninstalls and reinstalls has not helped. With the service dead, no connectivity to port 9000. Basically I'm dead in the water since I can't get the SlimServer service to run. My next step is to try and revert back to an earlier version that I still have saved. Diane This is Windows? It's running as a service? your music is on a NAS? Try giving the service your account to run as (this is done by Start Run services.msc, right-click the service, Properties Log on). Another high-likelihood problem is that you've got old plugins. Delete them, and then start again. Beyond that, my ESP fails :) A good general tip is to run it from a command prompt (Start Run cmd) or Terminal ( Applications Utilities Terminal). Change directories to the place where Slimserver installed, then run the program -- it will spit out a bunch of text, and the end out that output will probably explain why it died. -- I spent all me tin with the ladies drinking gin, So across the Western ocean I must wander -- traditional ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Help....Slim Server Starts then Stops.
On 12/3/06, Inniswhe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have been running slimserver with softsqueeze for a couple of weeks without issue. Last night, softsqueeze kept stopping , losing connection to slimserver. Slimserver kept stopping shortly after it started. I uninstalled and reinstalled slimserver. Now slimserver tries to start and will not get running just sits in the slimserver starting mode This is very frustrating to say the least. Stinkingpig can you walk us through your suggested steps. I got to the Logon screen you mention but what do I do then ?? Do realize that what I was posting was the fix to a complete guess about what the problem is... no one has even confirmed what OS we're talking about. But anyway, you type in your username and password. Put them in the appropriate fields. Click OK. Restart the service. Also the old plugins you mention, where/how does one check and remove these ?? I'm not sure on Windows, but I think it's C:\Program Files\Slimserver\Plugins. You're looking for things like AlienBBC, Last.FM, Slimscrobbler, SuperDateTime... The most useful thing to do is the last thing I posted. Make it crash from a command prompt, then post the output. -- I spent all me tin with the ladies drinking gin, So across the Western ocean I must wander -- traditional ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Fonts - wierd naming and SqueezeboxG Fonts Plugin
On 12/3/06, pc4ever1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm also trying to change the fonts in SB3. I found this photo of a SB3 box with a custom font. Does anyone know how it was done? Meaning installed into the SB3. Is there another source of the customized fonts other than SqueezeboxG Fonts by Bob Vilhelm? http://peter-pia.smugmug.com/gallery/2045119/1/105039385 Sure that's a font? Looks like a bug with text superimposed over the VU screensaver. Anyway, in your server's web interface, click Help Technical Information Font Files. -- I spent all me tin with the ladies drinking gin, So across the Western ocean I must wander -- traditional ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Help....Slim Server Starts then Stops.
On 12/3/06, Inniswhe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: see attached file I hope this gives you some ideas. C:\Program Files\SlimServer\serverslim.exe --d_plugins --d_startup --d_server --httpport 9080 you missed the space between httpport and 9080. -- I spent all me tin with the ladies drinking gin, So across the Western ocean I must wander -- traditional ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Slimserver wants a FAST machine
On 12/3/06, bgriffis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've lately been feeling more fed up with the response time of SlimServer. I'm not sure if I never noticed it before or if it has actually gotten slower since the 6.5 release. I'm running SS on WinXP SP2 with a 2.6GHz P4 HT with 1GB RAM and RAID0. For example if I click on a song to delete it from the playlist I count about 6 seconds before that actually occurs. That's an ETERNITY! I decided I didn't want to hear the album I had just queued up and it took forever to get the freaking thing deleted! That's crazy bad performance. Most people with that class of hardware are not seeing that sort of problem. Ergo, you've got something wrong. Maybe you should open the web interface, click help, click server and network health, and click enable performance monitoring. Then later on, you could go back to that page and click server statistics or player statistics, and you'd have some data to work with. -- I spent all me tin with the ladies drinking gin, So across the Western ocean I must wander -- traditional ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Slimserver wants a FAST machine
On 12/1/06, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: TonyCharman wrote: It spoils the whole experience for me - may have to put Slimserver back on a (fast) PC. Looking forward to seeing if Logitech have some ideas on this - perhaps they will add track discreet advance/back buttons to the top of the machine as well - oh the number of times I've wished for those! That's a good idea. In fact, let's add an equally discreet pause button, volume up/down and a power toggle. Regards, Peter Don't forget the button that lights up the buttons, and the six programmable favorites buttons, and the windows logo and the apple logo and the penguin button, and the number pad and cursor keys. I wouldn't be surprised to see a knob or trackwheel or joystick, but I don't think a set of buttons is going to happen. I've been wrong before though :) -- I spent all me tin with the ladies drinking gin, So across the Western ocean I must wander -- traditional ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: AAC / limited / Russian characters
On 12/1/06, gsalton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have now clarified this issue with technical support. Apparently Perl on windows will not work with double-byte characters in the filename. There is little likelihood that this will be fixed anytime soon. The only solution is to rename all the files concerned. Since I manage my library with iTunes and it does not seem to have a preference to preclude this behaviour, I am SOL. If this is important to anyone else, you may want to keep in mind when purchasing. If they're MP3 files, an external tagger could do the job. Check out mp3tag. -- I spent all me tin with the ladies drinking gin, So across the Western ocean I must wander -- traditional ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: High bandwidth useage when only displaying the clock
On 12/1/06, Psychophylaxis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Siduhe;158945 Wrote: That sounds like way too much for just the clock display. My consumption with 6.5.1. is nowhere near that. Someone posted about a similar problem recently and it turned out that he had a lot of RSS feeds regularly downloading (for use as a screensaver). Any chance it could be something like that for you ? Nope, my PC is clean and I didn't have this problem until I upgraded. Even tried running Spybot over it, but didn't help. Stopping and restarting the service proves to me at least that the slimserver is at fault. I'll try the nightly build, if not downgrade back to 6.0.x. Why would spybot tell you that you've configured too many RSS screensavers in Slimserver? This is not behavior that anyone else is seeing with any version of the software, so there's gotta be something different in your configuration. If you keep that configuration, downgrading and upgrading probably won't make any difference. If you're lucky, upgrading or downgrading might erase the preference that's causing the problem, which would cause yet another spurious 6.5 ATE MY CHILDREN complaint. -- I spent all me tin with the ladies drinking gin, So across the Western ocean I must wander -- traditional ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Beginner questions about ActiveState Perl
On 11/30/06, lampis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm trying to compile SlimServer 6.2, with ActiveState Perl Dev Kit but I have several problems with a lot of includes (use some::thing), the errors messages indicate that I probably can fix that adding directories into the Module Search Path, but I already added a lot of directories and I can't fix the problem. why? you don't have the modules. Try perl package manager and see if it can do it, and try build-modules.pl. -- I spent all me tin with the ladies drinking gin, So across the Western ocean I must wander -- traditional ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Newbie SB3 - Is it meant to be so quiet?
On 11/30/06, SlimJim7675 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have the volume tuned up to around 50 -60 Try 100, it won't break anything. -- I spent all me tin with the ladies drinking gin, So across the Western ocean I must wander -- traditional ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Slimserver wants a FAST machine
On 11/29/06, MelonMonkey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm relatively new to the forum so I've been doing my best to read as much as I can to quickly get up to speed. I had plenty of time to fiddle with Slimserver without the use of an actual Squeezebox thanks to UPS (have to thank the Slim support guys for finally putting UPS in their place and sending out a replacement unit). Anyway, I've seen countless numbers of posts asking what hardware to use as a server and even more replies suggesting nearly any system will work fine. That even a lowly PII at a couple of hundred MHz is suitable, etc... ... everyone's got different ideas about acceptable performance. I agree with you, personally, but if someone's willing to put up with running it on an NLSU2 or Via EPIA, good for them. -- I spent all me tin with the ladies drinking gin, So across the Western ocean I must wander -- traditional ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Slimserver wants a FAST machine
... I'm not sure you are not completely correct on this. I know he's Mac (Linux plus GUI) based and that Slashdot runs on a *nix based servers but Perl on Windows seems quite inefficient. CYG-Win (or whatever it is) just does not cut the mustard. MC ... Cygwin is not Perl, it's a unix emulation layer. It lets you run Perl, along with a lot of other software, but you're running the unix version inside an emulated shell, and the performance is poor. A little googling will show why. Slimserver is using ActiveState Perl, which is a Windows build. I develop with it as well, though nothing of the complexity of Slimserver. There is no measurable performance difference in my simple or complex scripts between ActiveState Perl running on XP and Perl.org Perl running on SuSE. Slimserver may conceivably have a performance difference based on OS, but I rather doubt that it has anything to do with Perl on Windows, until someone can step up with some numbers to prove otherwise. I am definitely willing to believe that it's a little slower on OS X, which is not so hot with multi-threaded applications like mysql (http://www.anandtech.com/mac/showdoc.aspx?i=2436p=8). Even there though, I doubt that there's a lot of impact on the Slimserver specifically. -- I spent all me tin with the ladies drinking gin, So across the Western ocean I must wander -- traditional ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Transporter arrived but...
On 11/29/06, Wombat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Finally after hunting this thing around here in germany for some weeks it was delivered. Something is wrong or i am only to dump to set it up? Here is the humming it produces. Fresh out of the box recorded via my soundcard. Is it D.O.A.? Nope, that's a ground loop. http://www.smr-home-theatre.org/Ground-Loops/ First make sure you don't have a rat's nest of cable behind the stereo causing cross-talk -- I solved my last ground loop problem by bundling each cable up with a zip tie. (And I do mean rat's nest server, CRT monitor, printer, tivoli model two plus subwoofer, Squeezebox 2, fm and am antennas, two ethernet switches, two wireless routers, printer, three laptops, cisco router, three power strips, and assorted USB geegaws.) Next, follow the tips in that article. -- I spent all me tin with the ladies drinking gin, So across the Western ocean I must wander -- traditional ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: SlimServer and uPnP again
On 11/29/06, GungHo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: netim3;158436 Wrote: Given that SlimDevices only make money when you buy their hardware (the software is free), they have little economic incentive to make the software UPnP compatible. True that the slimserver is free but can only be used with SqeezeBox (I think). And the more flexible the server is the more SqeezeBoxes they will sell ! there's actually a respectable number of people who say they're using it with softsqueeze only. You can also stream to any media player that takes mp3 streams. -- I spent all me tin with the ladies drinking gin, So across the Western ocean I must wander -- traditional ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Place for feature request
As mentioned earlier, the best solution is to transparently switch to SqueezeNetwork when the server goes away, and switch back when it comes back. That whole transparent thing is easier said than done, and the potential complaints are staggering. On 11/27/06, slimpy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: An NTP client built into the squeezebox is rather useless without a clock to set. Currently, there is no clock function in the squeezebox. When the squeezebox shows the time and date it is the server that runs the clock and merely sends a display update to the sb once a second. The preliminary thing to have would be the clock in the sb. NTP could be a nice addition at a later stage. -s. -- slimpy slimpy's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1524 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30042 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss -- I spent all me tin with the ladies drinking gin, So across the Western ocean I must wander -- traditional ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] 6.5.1 You don't do that to *my* system
Bugs.slimdevices.com Search for uninstall If there's already a bug, add yourself so you'll know when it's fixed If there's not, file one and you'll know when it's fixed On 11/27/06, gorman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Furthermore, this has an extra side effect... Considering the problems 6.5.1 has given to me, I might want to try to install new builds as they become available, to see if the problems are being solved. But with such an incomplete uninstaller... I fear those days. :( -- gorman gorman's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=56 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30021 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss -- I spent all me tin with the ladies drinking gin, So across the Western ocean I must wander -- traditional ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] SlimLite + NAS on board
On 11/27/06, your momo ... Therefore I'm proposing to implement a minimal stand-alone mode on board. I'm targeting especially on Transporter as it offer enough inner space for that, his higher price point also allows more freedom. ... Have fun, and good luck. There've been about ten similar proposals since I bought my first SliMP3. Most have been along the lines of if you won't rewrite in my favorite language, I'll take my toys and go home! A few have turned into realities like ReadyNAS and QNAP and SlimCD. There's also a decent number of folks on here who are quietly providing professional audio installation services with prebuilt headless servers; as far as their clients are concerned, it's all taken care of by the nice wood-panel box in the corner, not a homebrew server with some Perl scripts. Gotchas: 1) Defining bare essentials in a way that leaves you with a product anyone wants to buy is going to be very difficult. 2) Integrating with someone else's hardware is not easy, unless you're planning to buy the Transporters, mod them, and then resell them, and that's a big old potential can of worms. SDI might have been cool with that, though probably not. Logitech is unlikely to approve. 3) Even if those issues didn't apply, the audiophile target audience would turn their noses up at the idea of putting extra boards in the case to emit EMF all over their bits. You're better off designing your own blackbox in a similar form factor to sit on top or underneath the Transporter. -- I spent all me tin with the ladies drinking gin, So across the Western ocean I must wander -- traditional ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Beginner questions about ActiveState Perl
On 11/25/06, oreillymj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Unless you plan to start developing in perl, there is no reason to install Activestate perl. You will not notice any difference/improvement by installing it. Activestate also supply the perl binaries and modules for free on their site which is enough to begin developing using Notepad as an editor. It's do-able but not very user friendly. The professional development tools are more expensive. There is only one editor and its name is http://www.vim.org :) Vi and the taglist plugin are all I use to write Perl, though the Active State Perl Developer's Kit is quite handy (provides tools to compile your scripts into .exe apps and services). I did try Komodo for a couple of days a few years ago, but it was terribly slow at the time. -- I spent all me tin with the ladies drinking gin, So across the Western ocean I must wander -- traditional ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Is there a way to send song info (now playing) to Trillian chat?
On 11/25/06, ModelCitizen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I really do not know Trillion but wonder if it might be possible somehow to use the announce html ouput of Last.FM (via the Last.fm/SlimScrobbler plugin) MC It's probably possible, in theory -- Trillian is based on libgaim (so is Adium for you OSX people). Gaim has a very extensive plugin architecture and supports most scripting languages, including Perl. That said, someone who knows how has to want it badly enough to do it. Gaim support is a lot more likely off the bat than Trillian support. -- I spent all me tin with the ladies drinking gin, So across the Western ocean I must wander -- traditional ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: gap - crossfade - 6.5.1
On 11/25/06, randybrand [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... I would request that the duration be adjustable to accomodate individual users preferences whether or not they desired gapless or not, as wewll as the ability to override certain songs to be gapless such as to preserve the original album production. Is there a way to do that? I cannot log in to post a bug report. Like the man said, you can please some of the people some of the time... The only way I can think of to make this happen is to make a new crossfade setting which plays a period of silence between tracks. -- I spent all me tin with the ladies drinking gin, So across the Western ocean I must wander -- traditional ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Slim server keep restarting
On 11/12/06, thoeng [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: anybody help please ? Try this: http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.cgi?DiagnosingPerformanceIssues -- I spent all me tin with the ladies drinking gin, So across the Western ocean I must wander -- traditional ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] My Bad - Reposting. 6.5/6.5.1 do NOT work
Nope FC5 using thr RPM. Files are local and exist. Nothing in the log. Support seems to have given-up on this. http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29440 Try this... -- I spent all me tin with the ladies drinking gin, So across the Western ocean I must wander -- traditional ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] SB3 responds with long delays blank screens
On 11/6/06, DanielFriedmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: With both SlimServer 6.5.0 and 6.5.1 (23 October and 6 November) I have serious issues with a slow responding interface and blank screens. I'm using a Squeezebox3 connected to my Dell 6400 notebook (1,73Ghz DualCore with 2GB RAM) and a Zyxel Router over 54MBit W-LAN. All music is either FLAC or high-quality MP3 encoded. The SB3 is just 3m away from my router and 1-2m away from my notebook - all in the same room. Physical distance has practically nothing to do with wireless signal quality... I've observed plenty of terrible performance in the same sort of setup. Try the network performance plugin. -- I spent all me tin with the ladies drinking gin, So across the Western ocean I must wander -- traditional ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: What do Playlists mean to you?
On 11/5/06, Nostromo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... This is probably a very simplistic analysis To say the least. And a bit insulting, too. I think you underestimate ... I think people who only listen to albums are a bit old school. They've listened to albums all their lives and continue doing so on their Squeezebox. They're missing out, IMO. ... Pot, meet kettle. Kettle, this is pot :) We're all pretty much motivated by the same thing IMHO, which is getting the maximum enjoyment out of the music collection without putting a lot of effort into it. While I am personally happy with playing full albums and shuffling the whole collection, I do see the attraction of smart playlists -- I just don't see it as being attractive enough to run iTunes/MIP/Erland's plugins alongside the Slimserver. That said, you're probably right that there is a dividing line... I'm reminded of the argument over iTunes and iPods, in which about half of the commenters thought they're The Best UI Evh, and the other half bear A Pure Hatred. Much like this argument (or OS wars, or politics), neither side could see where the other was coming from. Call it what you will, it's worth realizing that Slimserver was written by and for the latter group... I dare say that the importance of smart playlists to the former group is understood by this community, since it has been a regular discussion of varying intensity for two years now, and drove the relationship with Pandora. That being said, it's been a weather* issue as far as the core product is concerned, possibly because over half of the users don't care much (see poll results). As long as it appears that plugins and partnerships are meeting the need, the developers will stay focused on other important issues. *Weather: everyone complains, but no one ever _does_ anything about it. -- I spent all me tin with the ladies drinking gin, So across the Western ocean I must wander -- traditional ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Upgraded to 6.5 an hour ago
On 11/5/06, Zten [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: for over 12 hours now. There must be something wrong. Anyone have advice on what I should do? how about looking in the log file? There should be a message that's been repeating regularly for twelve hours, and whatever it is might be indicative of the problem. -- I spent all me tin with the ladies drinking gin, So across the Western ocean I must wander -- traditional ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: What do Playlists mean to you?
On 11/5/06, Nostromo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... So either you listen to albums or you shuffle your whole collection? You never shuffle by genre or by artist? If you do shuffle by genre or by artist, I think you are doing something that is functionally identical to smart playlists. It may not be called a smart or dynamic playlist, but it does the same thing: the computer gives you a list of the tracks, based on the criteria you specified (genre, artist...) So, in a sense, you're using smart playlists without even knowing it. ... I do know that it's there and that it's smart -- but I don't care about it, because I don't use it. Not saying that it's a bad thing, just that I don't need it. Now I certainly would appreciate an integrated Last.FM/Pandora type of system that used local tracks instead of Internet radio, as my bandwidth is not so good and Internet radio tends to be unreliable. But, and this is a big one, it is not important to me. I would appreciate it if it were there and probably even use it once or twice a month, but I'm not going to ditch the Slimserver/Squeezeboxes because it's not there. -- I spent all me tin with the ladies drinking gin, So across the Western ocean I must wander -- traditional ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] which downloads will play?
On 11/5/06, Tombolino [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From which online store will Squuezebox play the songs? emusic.com, magnatune.com, anything that doesn't use DRM. -- I spent all me tin with the ladies drinking gin, So across the Western ocean I must wander -- traditional ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: To use squeezebox as a virtual sound device?
On 11/5/06, frui [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wow, such enlightening replies! I didn't know there are such and such workarounds. I especailly like the tune in method. I will live with that. Thanks a lot. My problem is almost solved, yet I still think technically it would be possible to write a virtual driver for squeezebox to make it appear as a sound device under windows control panel. sure it would be possible, but then everyone would complain about the lag between deleting a file and hearing your living room speakers go BADONG. -- I spent all me tin with the ladies drinking gin, So across the Western ocean I must wander -- traditional ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] My Bad - Reposting. 6.5/6.5.1 do NOT work
... From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: discuss@lists.slimdevices.com Subject: RE: [slim] Re: Rave about the new Transporter Remote Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2006 23:23:50 -0500 Ok. I couldn't get 6.5 to find my music. And 6.5.1 won't either. This is ridiculous. I specify the directory, the music is definitely there (easily found under other versions). What the H? what does the log say? I bet it's informative. Just guessing here, you're probably on Windows and trying to run it as a service and trying to reach out to a network share of the music, and in the upgrade you lost the authentication information. Or it could be that you're on Mac and the Mac is in that really insanely great state where it doesn't talk to wireless any more... or I don't know, maybe the underwear gnomes stole your music and have sold it for a plastic bottle of cheap whiskey. The log file won't tell you about the last problem, but it might give you some hints about the first two. -- I spent all me tin with the ladies drinking gin, So across the Western ocean I must wander -- traditional ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: What do Playlists mean to you?
On 11/4/06, Mark Lanctot I voted for option 1. I've never used playlists, even before I used SlimServer. Me too. I have one playlist, which is the Christmas music folder, shuffled. -- I spent all me tin with the ladies drinking gin, So across the Western ocean I must wander -- traditional ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: how well in sync are multiple squeezeboxes?
On 11/4/06, davep [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This question comes up quite often - I seem to recall a thread on it within the last week - and you should be able to find some of these previous discussions by searching the forum. The general consensus is that for hardware players running on a well set up network there is no problem getting and maintaining synchronisation between them all. There is a well known problem achieving this between hardware players and software-based players such as softsqueeze. Your experience trying the latter set up should not be taken as representative. davep In the past there have also been issues with different generations of hardware, particularly when transcoding (some take MP3 natively, some take FLAC natively). Since upgrading to 6.5 I have not had problems playing MP3 between SB1/G, SB2, and SB3, which was an occasional problem with previous versions. There is definitely a potential issue with long-running tracks or streams, particularly with internet radio, but I know some work has gone into this area and the number of problem reports seems to have gone down. -- I spent all me tin with the ladies drinking gin, So across the Western ocean I must wander -- traditional ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Let's here some suggestions for SlimServer 7
On 11/3/06, Nostromo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Don't make the mistake of assuming that what's important/true for you is universally important to everyone else. I have 980 albums, 12500 tracks, and 0 playlists. It's not because they're hard to create, it's because I don't want any. While I'd be perfectly happy to see improvements in the slimserver list management functions, I personally consider it far from essential. My guess is that you're in a small minority. Most people use playlists. Playlists and smart playlists are, IMO, -basic- features I expect from any music player, whether its iTunes, Windows media player or Slimserver. And Slimserver is a subpar app, on that level. Au contraire, I have consulted my own guess, and it is you who are in the minority. In my opinion, there should be cake. Luscious, well-frosted cake, by the freaking bucket full, and Slimserver totally falls down on that front. All it does when I ask it for Cake is play music by this band from Sacramento. A six pound German chocolate cake is not too much to ask... maybe if the EASY-BAKE concept were built into an Infrant? Of course, it should be low-power as well. I have lots of music, three squeezeboxes, and I don't use playlists. -- I spent all me tin with the ladies drinking gin, So across the Western ocean I must wander -- traditional ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Crossfade: Can we have longer than 10 seconds
On 10/30/06, GoCubs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: seanadams;150575 Wrote: Crossfading requires that both tracks be decompressed so that they can be mixed. This means a much larger amount of memory is needed for each second of crossfade than for each second of normal stream buffering. Going beyond 10s (x2 == 20s) for the crossfade would take away too much space from the main streaming buffer. Is there a way to do the crossfading on the serverside where there's much more memory? -Greg who says there's much more memory? Remember, a lot of people are trying to run this on NAS'es with barely enough memory to load a perl interpreter. -- I spent all me tin with the ladies drinking gin, So across the Western ocean I must wander -- traditional ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Let's here some suggestions for SlimServer 7
On 10/30/06, Spoiled [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just got an SB3 running wireless on my Imac. I am very impressed - works nicely. I had a cd3o player previously which was an excellent device (possibly better acoustically) but it died, so I decided to try this. The track search on the cd3o was better - required only keying in of the song title letters until all possiblilities except the desired song were eliminated - then press play. Eg - No need to press the 7 key four times to get 'S'. cd30 tracked every combination of letters until only one was left. It was very easy. Will SB3 do this? Look into the Lazy Search plugin. -- I spent all me tin with the ladies drinking gin, So across the Western ocean I must wander -- traditional ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Slimserver fails during a showoff
On 10/29/06, kanoot [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The other night I decided to show off my slim setup to a friend whom I've always thought would appreciate it (developer, music lover, geek). During my little demonstration I had the following happen with 6.5.1: 1) I had to explain that yes, the duplication of tracks have been happening since I got it over a year ago for a variety of reasons. No, there are no checks for it in the software that I know of. If your tags aren't correct, it will fail. It does take work to get them correct, which has been well documented. That being said, I think that there may be additional issues around use of iTunes, which I can't really speak to as I don't use it. 2) I had to explain that it doesn't always get the album art even though itunes can - that's been happening for over a year for various reasons. Use Album Art Aggregator, then wipe and rescan your database. 3) [squeezebox shuts off, slim server displays playlist not found] Um.. yeah, thats been happening since I got 6.5 Never seen that one. ... Are other people feeling the same or am I being too cynical? I've seen some crashes too, and I'd like it to be better... but then, I can say the same two phrases about my new MacBook (crashes all the time), my old PowerBook G4, the two IBM/Lenovo Windows XP laptops in the house, my home-brew SuSE server, the data-centered Dell 6350 running SuSE that I share with some friends, my Tivoli Mark Twos with subwoofer (poorly grounded), my Blackberry 8700, my iPaq 4150 (can't be flashed to a new BIOS), my wife's Motorola RAZR (can't get photos off of it), her iPod mini (battery is dying), and all the cordless phones in the house (http://www.monkeynoodle.org/comp/race). Technology does not meet high expectations, and the only high tech device in my life that has proved fairly reliable is my 2005 Prius (knock on wood). The good thing is that it does improve so long as there is desire to make it better, and with software, that improvement goes quickly. Your options are to lower your expectations or to wait for improved technology. -- I spent all me tin with the ladies drinking gin, So across the Western ocean I must wander -- traditional ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] SB3 remote work with SB2?
On 10/28/06, kizmet005 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone know if a SB3 remote will control a SB2? Thanks, Wendy yes, it will work on any SlimDevices product. -- I spent all me tin with the ladies drinking gin, So across the Western ocean I must wander -- traditional ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Let's here some suggestions for SlimServer 7
... (This one sounds tricky so I won't demand it.) Dynamic random crossfade: Crossfade only when random play is active. Detect when a track is mixed to the next in the album recording and let them play together before skipping to the next randomly selected track. Perhaps this could be assisted with tagging. Dynamic Transitions Plugin does this, though I'm not sure if it has been updated for 6.5 yet. -- I spent all me tin with the ladies drinking gin, So across the Western ocean I must wander -- traditional ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Are there any radio stations for children?
On 10/25/06, Seineseeker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am getting my 6 year old into our squeezebox, anyone know if there are any radio stations programmed for children that I can acces? dunno about radio, but my kids (6 and 8) are listening to the family collection. Favorites are They Might Be Giants, The Ramones, The Proclaimers, Jonathan Richman, and Tom Waits (recently got tired of the Bach that we play at bedtime). We don't particularly care about language, but would have an issue with them listening to a lot of Ween... it hasn't been an issue yet though. -- I spent all me tin with the ladies drinking gin, So across the Western ocean I must wander -- traditional ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Logitech to acquire Slim Devices!
Here here. Grammar-Nazi It's HEAR HEAR, as in Oh my fellows, won't you unplug your ears and hark unto the clear wisdom emanating from this person who is speaking? /Grammar-Nazi -- I spent all me tin with the ladies drinking gin, So across the Western ocean I must wander -- traditional ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Unreadable SlimServer Interface
Sounds like you've changed skins and mixed up some components. Clearing your browser's cache should put it to rights. Another useful trick is to call a specific skin with http://yourserver:9000/Default -- I spent all me tin with the ladies drinking gin,So across the Western ocean I must wander -- traditional ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] QUICK HELP PLEASE - Slimserver not playing AAC M4a files
On 10/21/06, patrija [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I spent the week getting songs and creating playlists for a partytonight and now have an urgent music problem! Help? Advice? Thanks! I have a fairly small library of about 2400 songs, the majority ofwhich are converted to M4a files. Everything was playing fine all week,and then on Friday two things happened:(1) my wife upgraded to iTunes7 and, (2) I upgarded Slimserver to 6.5.1 - 10426 - Windows XP - EN - cp1252Now, it appears that none of my M4a files are playing. Can't guaranteeall are not, but everyone tried thus far is not playing. All other file types play fine. I've downloaded the latest LAME and Player/Audiosettings say its working. I've checked and have the latest Quicktimeversions. Not sure where to go from here, but I'm losing time. I guessI can always run the party playlists from my iPOD and DLO dock. I don't know much about iTunes, but what does the slimserver logfile say?-- I spent all me tin with the ladies drinking gin,So across the Western ocean I must wander -- traditional ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
