I'd be very interested in a plugin that keeps a history for played
tracks. It should
- be time- and datestamped
- contain the same track multiple times if it's been played multiple times
(maybe with (n times) after the name if the track was played
multiple times in succession.)
- not limit the
Just give me my radio alarm clock already :)
- independent clock, synced when network is reachable
- multiple alarms per day of the week
- next active alarm should work even if there's no network at the time
- integrated amplifier
- integrated speakers (for saving space if desired)
- buttons for
The iPod interface is as easy to use as the SqueezeBox
I read again and again that the iPod was supposedly easy to use ... to
the point where I got one for my girlfriend.
Long story short, the touch-sensitive wheel thingie makes it almost
impossible for me to use - I have not been able to
He says neat, I gotta go pick that up for my house. (sale)
I don't know about your buddies, but most of mine would say: neat, I
gotta go pick that up for my house. Can you put this on a CD for me?.
(theft)
Thank god the US lobbyists in Brussels haven't managed to outlaw that
here yet. Even
Yes, yes, Americans are self-absorbed, obnoxious and think that their
culture is the center of the universe.
That's a pretty neat summary how most people in Western / Central
Europe think of the US and who's to blame them ...
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sure you have to deal with the pop up
I tried the flash based player yesterday ... what pop-up? Is that coming soon?
What would be the point of visual ads accompanying a music stream?
People listen to music, not look at it. I had assumed they'd be
playing radio-style ads every few songs.
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Did anyone get what Songbird is good for?
The interface is 100% ripped off from iTunes. There's nothing wrong
with FOSS apps loosely modelled on commercial ones, but iTunes in
black is a bit much. Their graphics designer is good, but a bit of
originality would have been fine.
I pointed it to my
Please don't assume that because our software is open source
that we oppose non-free-anything - our software roadmap has always
indicated plans to support more formats and more music sources
including DRM ones.
Let's just say that a big part of my decision to buy a sb1 and then a
sb2 was that
I can understand wny Pandora is US only, [...]
So can I but I don't have to like it, do I? :)
username passwords are not strong enough
This auth method isn't very strong, but why shouldn't it be strong
enough? It makes sure everone who seriously uses the service pays for
it while not being
But they use it under SSL. I think a better comparision is the DRM in iTunes
or coming
in Vista.
SSL just protects traffic between endpoints from random listeners in
between. There are excellent FOSS implementations. The kind of
encryption I don't like is the kind that tries to protect data
4) By default WAV gets transcoded to FLAC for no good reason. You save
~25% bandwidth but lose the ability to fast forward or rewind and plus
use up CPU time on the server.
FWIW, you can disable that in the file types section of server settings.
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I'm very interested in a squeezebox version with integrated amplifier,
as I could then replace my radio alarm clock with a second SB.
SB+amp+speakers is just too much clutter for one nightstand.
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How does that affect the mailing list subscriptions?
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Same problem here: placed an order for 2xSB3s on 23rd of December [...]
Ditto. Placed an order before Christmas and got a mail from orders
that apparently I mis-typed the card number or something. My mail with
the correct data and subsequent inquiries went unaswered. Oh well,
let's hope they
OT as it might be - I had three SMC switches die on me within 3-6
months. Now switches aren't routers but I suspect that the quality of
their products isn't quite up to par with the nice spec sheets.
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And I feel that I was quite clear in describing the problem I would like to
see solved,
namely:
A WAY TO HAVE A SINGLE CENTRALIZED LIBRARY OF MY DIGITAL MUSIC IN A
SINGLE HIGH-QUALITY COMPRESSED (BOTH ON DISK AND OVER-THE-WIRE)
FORMAT (PREFERABLY LOSSSLESS, DEFINITELY NOT MP3), THAT LIVES
Maybe you should support the request for native DRMed AAC playback in
the SB. That's something that can't be done today even with
transcoding, would make the iTMS crowd happy and gett you your AAC
support to boot. It's all in the wording.
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I'm not sure what the harshness towards 'average users' is all about.
No, average users are fine :) It's just that generalisations like
the average user this, the average user that serve no purpose when
arguing a point. There is no such person as the average user, even if
there were we couldn't
If your goal is to keep CPU activity to a minimum,
Why is that your goal? Slimserver's CPU requirements are
next-to-nothing when it's not rescanning. Disk performance is much
more of a problem, especially if it is not the only process requiring
disk access on the host.
you have to choose a
On a low-powered system, transcoding causes burps in the music.
I cannot begin to imagine how low-powered this system would have to
be. A flakey wireless connection, maybe. A slow disk with some other
concurrent accesses, maybe. Not the transcoding. Both FLAC and AAC run
fine on battery-powered
Another vote for Maxtor here.
I've been able to replace the drive without problems if it died or I
wanted a bigger one. This will void the warranty on the enclosure, but
you can always RMA a dead disk by itself.
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I can only guess that with *everyone* (ok, almost everyone) running a
firewall these days that many more people are likely to have an
experience like mine.
I still don't quite grok how the security-bloatware has managed to
convince people that they need these personal firewalls. They
degrade
Anybody know what Firmware 28 fixed in 6.2.1.
http://svn.slimdevices.com/
is your friend. In this case:
http://svn.slimdevices.com/trunk/server/Firmware/squeezebox2_28.bin?rev=5150view=log
Firmware 28 fixes bug 2356 where the current song may not be updated
properly. Also fix 2533 where the
I can't get the latest Softsqueeze through the web interface due to some
issues with my
platform (AMD64) and Java,
What's wrong? Works for me under amd64 flavours of both Windows and Linux.
Just in case you used the official sun java for linux-amd64 - that
doesn't have webstart. The
Hi!
After today's svn update to revision 3788, slimserver has stopped
working for me. At startup it does its automatic rescan, but
immediately after that it crashes. There's only one message in the
log:
===
Use of uninitialized value in concatenation (.) or string at
kdf already reported this problem - it's in good hands!
Yes, the thread in -devel popped up in my inbox right after I'd hit send ;)
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2) Many of the graphics in the Web UI don't load in Firefox.
Hmm, works for me, though I only use the default skin
3) Browsing through my music is painfully slow on Firefox for some
reason.
What exactly?
Firefox, Safari and IE seem pretty much the same to me speedwise.
(Safari sometimes
The one from Maximum PC that you flaunt has as it's last word, Rhapsody.
Do you think you would have gotten that good a review if you didn't have that
capability?
Maybe, maybe not.
S, my question is how do I get my money back for a product that
does not perform as advertised. Please
FWIW, web interface (Default) is fine here.
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The home page says:
770 albums with 7458 songs by 618 artists.
The browse ... views say:
202 albums with 2733 songs by 139 artists.
All songs I'd expect to be there are listed and none extra AFAICT. The
lower estimate seems about right. This is after a complete databese
wipe (dropped and
The Rhapsody software itself can stream via upnp to a upnp enabled
device that supports protected wma. No need for slimserver.
The Windows Media Connect server software would stream the other
subscription services to the Squeezebox. No need for Slimserver.
That's the only technical reason
What's the difference between the 'developers' and 'beta' groups?
When this question starts to crop up, what's the difference, where
should I post - that's a sign we have too many forums :)
Language specific forums are a great idea btw, since they allow some
users to safely skip content (they
Each list has its own page right now. I suggest that we should have
one page with checkboxes for all the mailing lists, like Debian has:
http://www.debian.org/MailingLists/subscribe
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P.S. Really, seriously, I don't understand why someone would want sorting to
be based on case when finding music. After all, when you search for a song
by entering a few characters those are not case sensitive. Please tell me
you wouldn't want it to be in that case. Search for Punk found 0
If find Rolling Stones... go through all the albums and it looks like one is
missing... nope, I have to go back up then move on to the OTHER artist...
The Rolling Stones.
The point of the ARTIST tag is that tracks by the same artist should
share a common tag. For one artist you have to use one
Maybe you're confusing searching for / finding something with displaying it?
Searching for 'rolling' in any case or combination of cases should
give you 'Rolling Stones' and 'The Rolling Stones', but as two
seperate results and not merged together - there's no way to
dertermine which of the two
I believe the vast majority of people with broadband connections do
NOT want to have a home server running 24x7. There is also a huge
trend towards households having just a wireless network and one or
two laptops - not a convenient setup for serving music all the time.
I'd have to agree. At
Search could be case insensitive (match as much as you can, right)
Exactly.
Browse lists can use whatever comes first
I'm fine with everything that can be turned off ;)
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No question, the slimserver's way of handling tags can be improved.
Starting with supporting multiple instances of the same TAG in
VorbisComments, and proper support of 'ALBUM ARTIST', so people can
choose what to _display_ in the artist field for a various artists
album. At the very least there
This has come up before, and often sparks a very heated response. There are a
large number of users who have very valid concerns ofver slimserver writing
over their carefully tagged files, as the front end is a publicly accessible
interface. Slimserver does not have more than a basic
But, in the meantime, I sincerely hope the Slim folks will enhance the
SqueezeBox (or at least SB2) to play subscription based DRM WMA. If
Roku can do it, I don't see why Slim cannot? I suspect Microsoft would
love to add the Squeezebox to their list of compatible PlaysForSure
hardware?
This
I can recommend dnsmasq for this job. It will act as a caching name
server and DHCP server for your LAN and it will automatically do DNS
for its DHCPed machines also.
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The Roku uses the Windows Media Connect (WMC) feature of XP SP2 as its
server. No third party software is required.
So that really means using either Slimserver or WMC, but not both at
the same time. Not very practical - for me, the features and
versatility of Slimserver are one of the main
why doesn't slimserver support it? ask the lawyers.
You'd have to do the DRM in the firmware, which is not open. The sb2s
platform seems versatile enough to be able to do that.
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And while protected content is fundamentally uninteresting for purchases,
it's entirely
understandable for subscription services. (Making a subscription service
without DRM is
totally unworkable, as everyone would subscribe for a month, download
everything, and
then quit.)
Why are you against paying $5/month for unlimited listening of high quality
tracks
from someone like Yahoo Music?
I have repeatedly said in this thread that I think the music
subscription services are a good idea in principle. The only thing bad
thing to be said about them is that they lock
In Britain we also pay a relatively small (a great deal less than a
satellite, cable or newspaper subscription) 'licence fee' to have a TV
in the house capable of broadcast reception. This is how the BBC (both
radio and TV) is funded; the licence fee is not a tax, so it is not
under direct
I generally listen to lossless stereo files hence the intrest in SB2,
but just wondered if SB2 can pass through a DD or DTS signal from say
winDVD ?
You'd have to rip the audio beforehand, because there's no way ATM to
stream audio from arbitrary applications. Other than that, it should
work.
The Yahoo player is reasonably light-weight, and pretty nicely designed.
It still doesn't work on my Linux boxes ... but nevermind, I had
another look and the service is US-only anyway.
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1. The record companies have the right (and obligation to their
shareholders) to protect the value of their assets.
That is a question that a society must decide. Are ideas or abstract
information assets worthy of legal protection or not? Regardless of
where one stands on this issue I would
However, notice the discrepency:
You would like the US to stay out of influencing how you choose to consume
music in your country. Similarly I would appreciate it if you didn't take
on a condescending attitude and would stay out of how I choose to consume
my music.
I did merely state my
Boycotting a feature that let's me take whatever music I want...where I
want for the price ranging from 4.99 (Yahoo) to $15 dollars a month?
Not me.
You most certainly can't take this music (every)where you want it.
Although I can see merit in streaming on-demand streaming services, as
a
It seems to me that the sb2 does not honor the lease-time of a DHCP
lease, i. e. when a lease has run out it won't rerequest a lease or
stop using the address. Rather, it will continue using the IP it got
during network setup indefinitely. IIRC I've reported the problem some
time ago. In the
Is there a suitable sniffer for this in Debian testing / could you
give me an appropriate command line for the info you need?
Sure:
sudo tcpdump -w dhcplog.pcap
Will dump all the TCP traffic to the file dhcplog.pcap
If you can capture the DHCP failure there, we can look at that file
Anyone have an idea if the Squeezebox 2 will support napster/yahoo any
of these music services soon? I see that the ROKU soundbridge now
supports the play for sure media types. Anyone have any thoughts???
Since you asked for any thoughts - it makes me really sad when someone
actually uses
It might be helpful for all the people with headphone jack problems to
post their MAC addresses, in case this issue can be isolated to a
specific production batch.
MAC Address: 00:04:20:05:A2:6A (Slim Devices)
I do not have problems with the headphone jack itself, it's a tight
enough fit and
I'm using a recent 6.1.0 nightly and I filled DISC DISCC tags [...]
It works for me. BTW you do not need to set DISCC, that's just
internally used by slimserver.
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When playing a playlist, pausing and then restarting: the track plays to the
end, but then the playing of the playlist stops.
(Instead of continuing the playlist)
Pressing the Next button then resumes playback
Anyone else noticed this?
Confirmed on ~24h old 6.1-trunk. Methinks there was a
Is there still the problem in normal use that a long period of pause
(for instance, pausing to take a phone call, and finding the call
lasts half an hour) when play is resumed goes to the start of the
track rather than from the time when it was paused.
This afternoon I had this exact
I had my pony sitting dead center on a black sb2 since the day I got
it. Today I noticed that the sb2's coating has been destroyed at that
spot. It's become all bubbly as if it'd molten and then cooled down or
come in contact with some sort of acid.
The sb2 is not getting very warm, body
I would like to understand more what causes the dropout's you are
seeing. If possible could install Softsqueeze using the zip file version
from Sourceforge, and then run it from the command prompt using 'java
-verbosegc -jar SoftSqueeze.jar'.
Sorry this took me a million years ... I haven't
The symptoms are presenting as clicks/pops and sudden bursts of static.
The static can be much louder than the output of the rest of the song.
Assuming that the same songs were fine at one point, something has
corrupted / is corrupting your files. This could be anything hardware
related like a
My network provides a DHCP server which is used by all but two
machines and gadgets. Now when I want to know a device's IP or MAC
address I usually just parse it out of the leases file.
Just now I noticed that my sb2 doesn't have an entry - the last
contact between my DHCP server and the sb2 was
The web interface's and the remote's [+] button (Add to playlist) does
not reliably add the selected item at the end of the playlist anymore.
The new items will be inserted at a semi-arbitrary position. It looks
like some kind of sorting is going on. What I've been able to
determine is that albums
Does SB2 report another MAC address to a dhcp server, whent it's in
bridging mode? If yes, how do I know it?
Briefly configure your dhcp to give an ip to anything that asks and
check the leases file after the squeezebox has got its ip. The file
should record ip mac address pairs and some other
1. APE files don't work at all anymore, although the binary itself
works fine.
This was due to a bug in the newest version of mac for linux, which
makes it fail if asked to decode a file it cannot write to. A
downgrade fixed it.
2. [...] the sound/display out of sync issue [when transcoding
I'm playing a sorted (i. e. non-shuffled) playlist just now, which
contains a few albums. The playlist is displayed fine on the player's
and the web interface. Likewise, Now playing is advancing song by
song on both interfaces.
It's just that the songs that are actually playing have nothing to do
Sorry, hit send a little too soon. My log has lots of these:
--- Monkey's Audio Console Front End (v 3.99) (c) Matthew T. Ashland ---
Decompressing...
Error: 1002
Apparently slimserver has skipped a few songs at the end of the pl it
couldn't play for whatever reason, thus arriving at the
Ordered sometime in February directly from Slim Devices and delivered
shortly thereafter ...
Wired Black Squeezebox 1 with graphical display
Including original packaging, full package contents, original invoice
and an invoice for the import duties paid. I'll ship wordwide, within
the EU shipping
The Sonos remote, with its integrated LCD and scroll wheel, is the
bomb. Critically, it makes accessing a large library easy. It looks
great. It feels great in the hand. It works anywhere, with or without
line-of-sight to your media players.
I'd drop it, sit on it, spill tea over it or
MAN FINANCIAL LIMITED E-MAIL DISCLAIMER [...]
No offence but could it be any longer? It fills an entrire page on my
screen and I thought it was spam at first b/c I overlooked your
message.
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However..has anyone else seen the case sensitivity or knows if this is
expected behaviour or a bug?
Gavin - right now it's expected behavior - we aren't case folding genres.
If enough people think they should be collapsed, that's possible.
Please keep as much as possible case
I've been thinking ... now I have a digital music player for my stereo
that I'm really happy with - but I'm loathe to leave the house because
then I have to make do with my iAudio U2. I mean, I like it, but I'd
rather have something designed (in the technical sense) with as much
love and
I'm trying softsqueeze for the first time, and I definitely noticed a
few dropouts when playing FLAC. My version is the one included with
Slimserver 6.1 trunk, jre 1.5.0_01 with Firefox under Windows XP. The
computer is connected to the server over GigE. My actual sb2 is
wireless and has no
That said, is there any chance of SlimDevices venturing into the
portable market?
any chance, yes. specific odds, anybody's guess. Slim Devices does not
comment
on future hardware.
I know. Doesn't hurt to nudge them in the right direction tho, does it? ^^
Aside from that I was
Today I added The Police - Live! to my collection. I've tagged the
ALBUM as Live! in foobar2000, where it shows up correctly.
Slimserver sees it as LIVE, though - i. e. all in caps and without
the ! at the end. Even recreating the db from scratch doesn't fix it.
(A similar bug has existed in prior
You should not get any dropouts with the latest version, unless your
hardware is underpowered. What is the cpu usage like on the machine
running Softsqueeze?
2x Opteron 240, 2 GB RAM, doing nothing but Softsqueeze and Firefox
with Slimserver and a few other tabs open at the time - 0-3% cpu
Not Windows specific, but can slimserversql.db be safely deleted after
switching to MySQL?
I'd guess so... worked on linux :)
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I finally got the studio version of Pink Floyd's The Wall and
ripped/encoded it as FLAC, as always. The album was playing in
original order and on repeat...
The last track of disc 2 ended with someone talking, who gets cut off
rather apruptly, followed by about half a second of silence, then some
We recently identified an electrical issue that would cause coax
s/pdif not to sync with a
few receivers - it has been fixed already in production, but some
SB2s that shipped as
recently as Monday will need the fix. If you have a MAC address of
00:04:20:05:A3:FA or
lower, you can contact [EMAIL
Can't you play red-book audio using your PC's CD/DVD drive? If you
connect the drive's audio output to the system's sound card you should be
able to.
I'd have to dig up one of these analog CD audio cables and rummage
around in the machine - I'd rather not. Digital CD playback works fine
of
The snippet of at the beginning of In the Flesh?
(the first song on the first disc) is a deliberate cyclical thing. If
you listen closely, at the very end of Outside the Wall, the voice
begins, Isn't this where- and gets cut off. The beginning of In
the Flesh? continues the sentence with
I would expect 60% of new users will not participate with this current
mailing list because it is
ugly,
What's ugly about e-mail? If you don't like the look of your mailer, use
another one.
slow
I get copies of my own messages the instant I post them, and I've had
conversations at chat-speed
6.0, on the other hand, is unusably bug-ridden -- but this really shouldn't
be a surprise, as the
Slim people ripped out the guts of the thing and reworked it. Based on
knowing how unsmoothly
that usually works in any project, past experience with SlimServer
releases, and looking at the
bug
Hiya!
I've just upgraded from a wired+bridge sb1 to a wireless sb2... or tried to.
When entering the SSID it first offered me my neighbours's network
(sometimes I wonder why I even pay for my own internet access) and when I
opted to enter my own (hidden) SSID it still had it pre-entered as
Any idea when is this [UTF-8 support on the sb] coming? I'd hate to tag my
Hebrew CDs twice.
I tag my foreign language music by setting each tag twice, e. g.:
ARTIST=#36938;#20304;#26410;#26862;
ARTIST=Yusa Mimori
and so on for ALBUM and TITLE. Slimserver will always use the last
occurrence of
I've had this behaviour two days in a row now. In the evening, SlimServer
would run fine, nut sometime during the night (when nobody's using it) it
boms out. The error message is:
DBD::mysql::st execute failed: MySQL server has gone away at
/opt/slimserver/CPAN/DBIx/ContextualFetch.pm line 51.
I'm aware that MySQL isn't supported but at least one other person said
they were using it - I'd appreciate any help.
http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=947
Oops... sorry. :)
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I was wondering how SlimServer currently handles such multiple occurrences,
and hopefully start a discussion of how it *should* handle them, if it is
not
already ideal.
The status quo is that SlimServer only uses the last tag of each type, at
least that's the way for ARTIST.
As for how it
I know that some players support a DISCNAME tag where this information
could
be stored. Does SlimServer have anything analogous that I could use? If
not, would it be possible to add support for this tag?
Here is how I would like the tagging to work:
ALBUM=Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness
DISC and DISCC are what SlimServer recognizes currently.
DISC is the number of the DISC in a collection.
DISCC is the total number of discs in that collection.
If you have both of those, and ALBUM is the same on all the tracks,
SlimServer gives you the
choice if viewing all of those under one
While playing with mac yesterday (why is it not incuded for linux, anyway?)
I noticed that the decoder was slowed down to real-time (doh). Having a
program read a tiny bit of data and the stop when it needs the rest anyway
is not very efficient.
Could someone who gets dropouts und has the
The DB code and / or the search code are in dire need of an audit.
I ripped a new album today, copied it to my music folder and hit rescan.
Some time later I actually want to listen to some stuff, but upon entering
'elton' in search music=search artists via the remote I don't get Elton
John, I
Christian - the live and the button press search should return the exact
same results.
Sometimes they do, sometimes they don't. When the live search does not
trigger, i. e. I click on 'Search Music' and type into the box but it does
nothing, clicking on the button will return the strange
Because of my DB problems I tried switching to the MySQL backend, which is
already supported enough that it took me all of 15 minutes, including
installing the server, with no previous experience in the area. Since then
I've bombarded the live search with test searches, no probem, let's see if
The strange thing: with MySQL backend my song count is up by about 100. It
was a pleasant surprise to find that slimserver now recognizes and plays
the odd .ape albums that I've not yet transcoded to .flac. With the SQLite
backend there'd be a 'could not create track' error in the log for each
Yes. Raw PCM is just below 1400kbit while the ogg stream itself would be
much larger.
By larger you mean more bandwidth required? Why would ogg require
more bandwidth that raw PCM over the network?
I meant smaller, naturally. Sorry.
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Just so there is some clarity on the subject, here is where I am
coming from completely.
snip
Your post is extremely informative and I'm sure Fedora users appreciate your
work. However, there is exactly one point about which I propose we just
agree to disagree:
Lossless streaming of ogg files
You don't get better audio quality by streaming an ogg file as lossless.
I do not know if all possible ogg decoders necessarily produce identical
output
It's a waste of resources.
It does take more CPU usage - as it has to be decoded (and maybe flac
encoded)
It does take more bandwidth on your
While this is true, bandwidth / size is not really an issue any more in
any
kind of stationary setup. Harddisk sizes are such that even encoding
your
CDs in a lossless codec is hardly worth the effort anymore - if it
weren't
for tagging support I'm sure some people would just rip to .wav
1 - 100 of 128 matches
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