Re: [slim] www.slimdevices.com gone?
erland;551939 Wrote: I'm sure there are people here that's willing to help identifying incorrect articles, as I remember we have the Edit Needed category which was used previously. Do you want us to use that or do you have something else in mind ? Adding a page to edit needed category, is just a matter of inserting [[Category:Edit Needed]] in the page and after that it will show up here: http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/Category:Edit_Needed It might also be useful to add some kind of information regarding what's incorrect, for example like I did earlier on this page: http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/PluginSettings This has been on my 'learn how to' list for a while, so I'll give it a go. I think that there a couple of fundamental issues (aside from the parallel forums):- 1) there are parallel FAQ's at http://www.logitech.com/en-us/439/5745?selectedcrid=439selectedcid=5745WT.z_sp=Productosid=bit= which presents a maintenance and search overhead 2) these forums act as substitute support and save lazy/unaware people from searching by letting them post questions and get answers (a good service for them and provided by free from the many dedicated enthusiasts, but think what more those enthusiasts coudl acheieve if not answering repeat questions). 3) many 'fixes' are frequently reposted, or threads are used as answers which undermines any wiki 4) my personal experience is that searching the forums is more likely to get relevant information than the wiki. I am not sure if this is the search enginer, the tagging or simply the volume of material available. Perhaps critical mass on the wiki (or FAQ?) is necessary to get over the perception hump (or actually these fix a huge number of problems that are therefore invisible). Mitch -- DigitalMitch 2 * SB3, 1 * Boom, 2 * SBR, 1 * Radio and 1 * Touch controlled by IR, SBC [and iPeng on iPhone - wifi died!!] 7.5.0 on WHS on HP MediaSmart (EX470) upgraded to 2G RAM http://www.last.fm/user/digimich DigitalMitch's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15999 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79234 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] www.slimdevices.com gone?
There's no redirect from slimdevices.com (without www). You just get a blank page. I rarely type www in front of things these days. -- max.spicer Some people think the title of this song is irrelevant, but it's not irrelevant - it's a hippopotamus. max.spicer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=23 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79234 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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With this approach, you can make the warning as strong as you like, it's just a matter of editing the Template:EditNeeded page to contain the warning you like to show. Perfect! Exactly what I had in mind. I'm preparing a template to be used. Thanks a bunch! -- Michael ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] www.slimdevices.com gone?
Muele;552269 Wrote: FYI: I asked a new user how he found these forums. This is his reply: As I am curious, for 5 minutes, I've just tried to find any link to this forum on the logitech site and... I couldn't! Don't you think there should also be a link to the forum and to the wiki on mysqueezebox.com ? -- didjean Slim SB3 + Cambridge Audio 640R + Cambridge Audio DAC Magic + Q Acoustics 1050i * SB Touch + Yamaha DSP A595 + Morel Applause MKII * Duet (just the controller is still being used) * SB Boom * SB Radio (Red) * Windows XP SP2 / Squeezebox Server 7.5 on ASRock ION 330 didjean's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2900 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79234 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] www.slimdevices.com gone?
didjean;552359 Wrote: As I am curious, for 5 minutes, I've just tried to find any link to this forum on the logitech site and... I couldn't! But in just six clicks/hovers (Products Audio Wifi Music Players Support Support Community Wireless Music Systems) I could get to this _different_forum_: http://forums.logitech.com/t5/Wireless-Music-Systems/bd-p/WMS_General I have been completely unaware of this parallel forum. I just took a quick look because that site is dreadfully slow, but the earliest posting I saw was March this year. Very interesting.. -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79234 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] www.slimdevices.com gone?
Michael (or someone else from Logitech), is there some easy way to find user manuals now when www.logitechsqueezebox.com and www.slimdevices.com isn't available anymore ? Searched on Google and found this link which obviously doesn't work anymore: http://www.slimdevices.com/documentation/Squeezebox_Boom_UG-ENG.pdf The manuals can be found here, but it's not really easy to get there: http://logitech-en-amr.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/logitech_en_amr.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_faqid=8873p_created=1217962014p_sid=CPUnqr1kp_accessibility=p_redirect=p_lva=p_sp=cF9zcmNoPTEmcF9zb3J0X2J5PSZwX2dyaWRzb3J0PSZwX3Jvd19jbnQ9MjgsMjgmcF9wcm9kcz0yNzY0LDE2ODEsMjIzNyZwX2NhdHM9JnBfcHY9My4yMjM3JnBfY3Y9JnBfcGFnZT0xJnBfc2VhcmNoX3RleHQ9U3F1ZWV6ZWJveCAgQm9vbQ**p_li=p_topview=1 I suppose we could create a wiki page that links to them but will the above link work also in the future ? All the query parameters feels a bit scary... -- erland Erland Isaksson 'My homepage' (http://erland.isaksson.info) (Install my plugins through Extension Downloader) (Developer of 'TrackStat, SQLPlayList, DynamicPlayList, Custom Browse, Custom Scan, Custom Skip, Multi Library, Title Switcher and Database Query plugins' (http://wiki.erland.isaksson.info/index.php/Category:SlimServer)) erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79234 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] www.slimdevices.com gone?
erland;552400 Wrote: Michael (or someone else from Logitech), is there some easy way to find user manuals now when www.logitechsqueezebox.com and www.slimdevices.com isn't available anymore ? Searched on Google and found this link which obviously doesn't work anymore: http://www.slimdevices.com/documentation/Squeezebox_Boom_UG-ENG.pdf The manuals can be found here, but it's not really easy to get there: http://logitech-en-amr.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/logitech_en_amr.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_faqid=8873p_created=1217962014p_sid=CPUnqr1kp_accessibility=p_redirect=p_lva=p_sp=cF9zcmNoPTEmcF9zb3J0X2J5PSZwX2dyaWRzb3J0PSZwX3Jvd19jbnQ9MjgsMjgmcF9wcm9kcz0yNzY0LDE2ODEsMjIzNyZwX2NhdHM9JnBfcHY9My4yMjM3JnBfY3Y9JnBfcGFnZT0xJnBfc2VhcmNoX3RleHQ9U3F1ZWV6ZWJveCAgQm9vbQ**p_li=p_topview=1 I suppose we could create a wiki page that links to them but will the above link work also in the future ? All the query parameters feels a bit scary... I also found this thread, but the link it points to doesn't contain manuals for all Squeezebox products: http://forums.logitech.com/t5/Wireless-Music-Systems/Link-to-All-Guides-and-Manuals/td-p/279300 -- erland Erland Isaksson 'My homepage' (http://erland.isaksson.info) (Install my plugins through Extension Downloader) (Developer of 'TrackStat, SQLPlayList, DynamicPlayList, Custom Browse, Custom Scan, Custom Skip, Multi Library, Title Switcher and Database Query plugins' (http://wiki.erland.isaksson.info/index.php/Category:SlimServer)) erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79234 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] www.slimdevices.com gone?
aubuti;552393 Wrote: But in just six clicks/hovers (Products Audio Wifi Music Players Support Support Community Wireless Music Systems) I could get to this _different_forum_: http://forums.logitech.com/t5/Wireless-Music-Systems/bd-p/WMS_General I have been completely unaware of this parallel forum. I just took a quick look because that site is dreadfully slow, but the earliest posting I saw was March this year. Very interesting.. Exciting, isn't it ? A whole new world opens up before your eyes :-) I'm guessing it's a dead end to try to ask them to just link to our forum even though it surely would be the best thing to do from a user point of view. It feels like it would be a lot better if Logitech support staff spend their time on one forum (this one) instead having to split between two forums. However, I suppose the same support staff might handle support for many Logitech products and in that case I can understand why they want a Squeezebox section on their own forum. Maybe we can send all the trolls to forums.logitech.com ? Or at least all users with problems we can't easily solve. -- erland Erland Isaksson 'My homepage' (http://erland.isaksson.info) (Install my plugins through Extension Downloader) (Developer of 'TrackStat, SQLPlayList, DynamicPlayList, Custom Browse, Custom Scan, Custom Skip, Multi Library, Title Switcher and Database Query plugins' (http://wiki.erland.isaksson.info/index.php/Category:SlimServer)) erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79234 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] www.slimdevices.com gone?
Maybe we can send all the trolls to forums.logitech.com ? Or at least all users with problems we can't easily solve. Correct: while this forum is purely community supported, the official forum over at logitech.com is monitored by support agents. -- Michael ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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I'm sure there are people here that's willing to help identifying incorrect articles, as I remember we have the Edit Needed category which was used previously. Do you want us to use that or do you have something else in mind ? I think it should be stronger than that. A header jumping in to the visitors face. Don't know whether this could be automated based on the Edit needed category... -- Michael ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] www.slimdevices.com gone?
mherger;552263 Wrote:
I'm sure there are people here that's willing to help identifying
incorrect articles, as I remember we have the Edit Needed category
which was used previously. Do you want us to use that or do you have
something else in mind ?
I think it should be stronger than that. A header jumping in to the
visitors face. Don't know whether this could be automated based on the
Edit needed category...
--
Michael
I think wikipedia use the following principle:
1.
They define a page, for example Template:EditNeeded and in this
template page they define the scary error they want to include and it
can also contain the [[Category:Edit Needed]] directive so you can
easily find these pages and fix them.
2.
In a page that contains errors they insert the template:
{{EditNeeded}}
This will include the contents from the Template:EditNeeded page.
Sample template page on my own mediawiki site:
http://wiki.erland.isaksson.info/index.php?title=Template:EditNeededaction=edit
And sample usage inside a page:
http://wiki.erland.isaksson.info/index.php/Testing
With this approach, you can make the warning as strong as you like,
it's just a matter of editing the Template:EditNeeded page to contain
the warning you like to show.
When you decide on a solution you like to use, it's probably a good
idea to announce it somewhere in the forum where it's more visible than
in this thread.
--
erland
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Re: [slim] www.slimdevices.com gone?
FYI: I asked a new user how he found these forums. This is his reply: scrutinity;552218 Wrote: ...I found the forum by going to logitech website and posting under wireless devices i found a sticky that redirected me to this forum posted by Mike_M... -- Muele BR Mogens 2 Radios (1 battery), 2 Controllers, 2 Receivers, 1 Squeezeplay. Served by an old 800 mhz IBM T21 Thinkpad (Yes I know most phones have more cpu-power these days, but it gets the job done). Muele's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=21310 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79234 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] www.slimdevices.com gone?
Removing www.slimdevices.com has broken some of the Apps such as BBC - now the user gets this error when tryin to get a BBC station using the BBC App. Thanks for the heads up. Should be fixed later today. -- Michael ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] www.slimdevices.com gone?
Michael, if you have administrative access to the Logitech forum, there is a sticky thread in it with links to www.slimdevices.com that probably should be changed to point somewhere else: http://forums.logitech.com/t5/Wireless-Music-Systems/Squeezebox-Transporter-Wireless-Network-Music-Players/td-p/270077 Thanks Erland - I've forwarded this information to people who hopefully have access to the corporate forums. -- Michael ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] www.slimdevices.com gone?
I have two problems: 1. from the Logitech.dk/com site I am unable to find these forums. At some point (a few months ago) I found another squeezebox forum. Probably it was just a subforum under logitech's main forum. But I'm not even able to browse to that now. The link may exist, but I can find it, even when I know what I am looking for. 2. I can't find the beta software. Going through logitechsqueezebox.com you can through a step where you could go to the beta-stuff, including changelog etc. That step is not there when coming through logitech.dk/com -- Muele BR Mogens 2 Radios (1 battery), 2 Controllers, 2 Receivers, 1 Squeezeplay. Served by an old 800 mhz IBM T21 Thinkpad (Yes I know most phones have more cpu-power these days, but it gets the job done). Muele's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=21310 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79234 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] www.slimdevices.com gone?
Michael, I just think some of us are a bit worried about how committed Logitech management are regarding these community sites (forum and wiki). I understand your point. But I still hope that even if it came to that point, that there would be enough time to manage a transition which doesn't require the kind of hacks to pull information to a new system. It kind of seems like Logitech might want to direct new users to http://forums.logitech.com instead. It could of course also just be that all the links haven't been added yet. That's what the corporate support would want to have indeed. But as long as they can't provide the same level of service as in these forums, it doesn't make sense to pull anything down. As for the wiki: our biggest issue there probably is degrading quality. While it's been a resource for our own support, they now hesitate to use it, as there's a lot of outdated information. The community probably could help the wiki to survive by helping identify articles which need update/replacement. We could add some kind of header as wikipedia often does with articles which need some work. Tell the visitor: this is outdated information and needs work - use it at your own risk. While we have good numbers for the forums (visitors, postings etc.) helping us prove the importance of that system, we don't have this data for the wiki. It's therefore even more important wiki provides a good level of quality. I understand that you and the other developers will try to do everything you can to avoid that anything happens with these sites, I'm just worried that no one from Logitech management seems to care, at least they don't show that they care in the public. IMHO nothing changes as quickly in this organization as the personnel. We currently see changes in this area which look promising. My hope is that all our worries are completely unnecessary. So is mine :-). -- Michael ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] www.slimdevices.com gone?
Just want to add I nearly had to call an ambulance when I couldn't find this forum! I never would have bought my first SB's without the presence of this forum, and I'm pretty sure I wouldn't buy any more if it disappeared. Slim Devices inspired confidence, Logitech. well, not so much! Probably something the marketing execs at Logitech should consider -- nicketynick Wireless SB3, Denon DRA-F101, Mission M31 loudspeakers WinXP SP2 Slimserver, SMC WBR14g router http://www.last.fm/user/nicketynick/ nicketynick's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1511 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79234 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] www.slimdevices.com gone?
mherger;551797 Wrote: As for the wiki: our biggest issue there probably is degrading quality. While it's been a resource for our own support, they now hesitate to use it, as there's a lot of outdated information. The community probably could help the wiki to survive by helping identify articles which need update/replacement. We could add some kind of header as wikipedia often does with articles which need some work. Tell the visitor: this is outdated information and needs work - use it at your own risk. I'm sure there are people here that's willing to help identifying incorrect articles, as I remember we have the Edit Needed category which was used previously. Do you want us to use that or do you have something else in mind ? Adding a page to edit needed category, is just a matter of inserting [[Category:Edit Needed]] in the page and after that it will show up here: http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/Category:Edit_Needed It might also be useful to add some kind of information regarding what's incorrect, for example like I did earlier on this page: http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/PluginSettings -- erland Erland Isaksson 'My homepage' (http://erland.isaksson.info) (Install my plugins through Extension Downloader) (Developer of 'TrackStat, SQLPlayList, DynamicPlayList, Custom Browse, Custom Scan, Custom Skip, Multi Library, Title Switcher and Database Query plugins' (http://wiki.erland.isaksson.info/index.php/Category:SlimServer)) erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79234 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] www.slimdevices.com gone?
Muele;551795 Wrote: 2. I can't find the beta software. Going through logitechsqueezebox.com you can through a step where you could go to the beta-stuff, including changelog etc. That step is not there when coming through logitech.dk/com Same place it's always been, though who knows for how long: downloads.slimdevices.com/nightly/ -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79234 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] www.slimdevices.com gone?
aubuti;551947 Wrote: Same place it's always been, though who knows for how long: downloads.slimdevices.com/nightly/ I know, but what newcomer would find that? -- Muele BR Mogens 2 Radios (1 battery), 2 Controllers, 2 Receivers, 1 Squeezeplay. Served by an old 800 mhz IBM T21 Thinkpad (Yes I know most phones have more cpu-power these days, but it gets the job done). Muele's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=21310 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79234 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] www.slimdevices.com gone?
Muele;552062 Wrote: Same place it's always been, though who knows for how long: downloads.slimdevices.com/nightly/ I know, but what newcomer would find that? Maybe someone from Logitech could add sticky thread in the Beta section of the forum with a link pointing to: http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/Nightly_Builds -- erland Erland Isaksson 'My homepage' (http://erland.isaksson.info) (Install my plugins through Extension Downloader) (Developer of 'TrackStat, SQLPlayList, DynamicPlayList, Custom Browse, Custom Scan, Custom Skip, Multi Library, Title Switcher and Database Query plugins' (http://wiki.erland.isaksson.info/index.php/Category:SlimServer)) erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79234 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] www.slimdevices.com gone?
http://www.slimdevices.com is no longer reachable today, likewise with http://logitechsqueezebox.com. Anyone have any insight? As SlimDevices as a brand/company has gone away years ago, this site as the official product site had to go away. Don't ask me why that interim logitechsqueezebox.com site was built though... But yes, these two are gone. Marketing has tried to do redirects for the most important addresses - but missed a few. Thanks for reporting them! While the above is true for the main www.* sites, others like forums, wiki, bugs etc. are continuing to live on the slimdevices.com domain. If some are down right now (can't reach bugzilla myself), then this is accidental and needs to be fixed asap. Most likely these are temporary DNS issues. -- Michael ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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I think it's time for a concerted community effort to copy/mirror the forums, bugzilla, wiki, and svn source code repository just in case. Each of these resources is only an email away from a similar fate. Too early to panic. I see no reason why even the most ... manager would want to pull a revision control system or bug database. -- Michael ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] www.slimdevices.com gone?
mherger;551571 Wrote: Too early to panic. I see no reason why even the most ... manager would want to pull a revision control system or bug database. No, but I could imagine a manager deciding that only Logitech staff would be allowed to access/log in to those sites. Hopefully that won't happen. Hopefully nobody will seek to have gmane destroy their archive, etc. But I could imagine senior Logitech staff thinking the old SD sites weren't cost effective shutting them down. Many folks have pointed out the deficiencies of the reviews of Touch. I don't think I saw any reviews that talked about the availability of applets and SBS plugins. This suggests that the media kit doesn't mention them. Logitechsqueezebox.com linked to info about using and building extensions, and now it's gone. I don't think it's at all unreasonable to wonder if Logitech senior staff are considering shutting/locking down these old SD-branded sites, and to make some effort to try to minimize the affect of such a (possible, hopefully unlikely) action. Or similar fates like this forums server dying and Logitech deciding not to replace it even if y'all do have good data backups. I really hope your optimism is right, especially as I'm unlikely to do anything for a few days (at least!). :-) -- peterw http://www.tux.org/~peterw/ Free plugins: 'AllQuiet' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/AllQuiet.html) 'Auto Dim/AutoDisplay' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/AutoDisplay.html) 'BlankSaver' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/BlankSaver.html) 'ContextMenu' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/ContextMenu.html) 'DenonSerial' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/DenonSerial.html) 'FuzzyTime' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/FuzzyTime.html) 'KidsPlay' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/KidsPlay.html) 'KitchenTimer' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/KitchenTimer.html) 'PlayLog' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/PlayLog.html) 'PowerCenter/BottleRocket' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/PowerCenter.html) 'SaverSwitcher' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/SaverSwitcher.html) 'SettingsManager' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/SettingsManager.html) 'SleepFade' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/SleepFade.html) 'StatusFirst' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/StatusFirst.html) 'SyncOptions' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/SyncOptions.html) 'VolumeLock' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/VolumeLock.html) peterw's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2107 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79234 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] www.slimdevices.com gone?
mherger;551571 Wrote: I think it's time for a concerted community effort to copy/mirror the forums, bugzilla, wiki, and svn source code repository just in case. Each of these resources is only an email away from a similar fate. Too early to panic. I see no reason why even the most ... manager would want to pull a revision control system or bug database. Michael, I just think some of us are a bit worried about how committed Logitech management are regarding these community sites (forum and wiki). As you suggests, the bugzilla and svn repossitory are of course going to remain, but they could be closed for community access. Chris has already earlier mentioned that the idea of closing bugzilla has been discussed within Logitech. I'm mostly worried about the forum and wiki, especially if something happens with the servers unintentionally and someone decides that it's not cost effective to fix the problem. The fact that there doesn't seem to be any link to them from the official Logitech pages indicates to me that the commitment to keep these pages available in the future isn't too high. It kind of seems like Logitech might want to direct new users to http://forums.logitech.com instead. It could of course also just be that all the links haven't been added yet. I understand that you and the other developers will try to do everything you can to avoid that anything happens with these sites, I'm just worried that no one from Logitech management seems to care, at least they don't show that they care in the public. Yes, I understand that Logitech is a big corporation and it might be unreasonable that the management spend time announcing their strategy regarding the community, but it still worries me a bit. If your management would be a little visible on these forums, all these worries and rumors could be easily avoided. I think neither me or Peter is about to panic yet, so far we are just thinking about what options we have to make 100% sure that the valuable information on the forums and wiki will be available in the future even if Logitech decides to decrease their involvement in the community. It should be said, that I've no indication that Logitech is about to decrease their involvement in the community besides the fact that there are less Logitech resources posting in the forum today than a year ago. I understand that the reason for this is mainly(only?) caused by the fact that their are less Logitech employees working with Squeezebox today than a year ago. My hope is that all our worries are completely unnecessary. -- erland Erland Isaksson 'My homepage' (http://erland.isaksson.info) (Install my plugins through Extension Downloader) (Developer of 'TrackStat, SQLPlayList, DynamicPlayList, Custom Browse, Custom Scan, Custom Skip, Multi Library, Title Switcher and Database Query plugins' (http://wiki.erland.isaksson.info/index.php/Category:SlimServer)) erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79234 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] www.slimdevices.com gone?
mherger;551570 Wrote: http://www.slimdevices.com is no longer reachable today, likewise with http://logitechsqueezebox.com. Anyone have any insight? As SlimDevices as a brand/company has gone away years ago, this site as the official product site had to go away. Don't ask me why that interim logitechsqueezebox.com site was built though... But yes, these two are gone. Marketing has tried to do redirects for the most important addresses - but missed a few. Thanks for reporting them! While the above is true for the main www.* sites, others like forums, wiki, bugs etc. are continuing to live on the slimdevices.com domain. If some are down right now (can't reach bugzilla myself), then this is accidental and needs to be fixed asap. Most likely these are temporary DNS issues. -- Michael Removing www.slimdevices.com has broken some of the Apps such as BBC - now the user gets this error when tryin to get a BBC station using the BBC App. [10-05-30 18:03:19.9016] Slim::Formats::XML::gotErrorViaHTTP (332) Error: getting http://www.slimdevices.com/picks/split/BBC.opml -- bpa bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79234 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] www.slimdevices.com gone?
erland;551356 Wrote: I wonder how new users are going to find this forum, as far as I can see there is only a link to the Logitech support forum from the support site. I suppose they can always use Google and search to find it. Agree. There is a sticky on the logitech support forum under Wireless Music Systems linking to this forum. Though it is perhaps impossible to find (as evidenced by all the SB related posts in that forum...) See here: http://forums.logitech.com/t5/Wireless-Music-Systems/bd-p/WMS_General -- lrossouw Louis 'Last.fm' (http://www.last.fm/user/lrossouw) lrossouw's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3416 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79234 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] www.slimdevices.com gone?
mherger;551570 Wrote: Marketing has tried to do redirects for the most important addresses - but missed a few. Thanks for reporting them! Michael, if you have administrative access to the Logitech forum, there is a sticky thread in it with links to www.slimdevices.com that probably should be changed to point somewhere else: http://forums.logitech.com/t5/Wireless-Music-Systems/Squeezebox-Transporter-Wireless-Network-Music-Players/td-p/270077 -- erland Erland Isaksson 'My homepage' (http://erland.isaksson.info) (Install my plugins through Extension Downloader) (Developer of 'TrackStat, SQLPlayList, DynamicPlayList, Custom Browse, Custom Scan, Custom Skip, Multi Library, Title Switcher and Database Query plugins' (http://wiki.erland.isaksson.info/index.php/Category:SlimServer)) erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79234 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] www.slimdevices.com gone?
AnotherTribe;551303 Wrote: http://www.slimdevices.com is no longer reachable today, likewise with http://logitechsqueezebox.com. Anyone have any insight? No, but I can confirm your problem, neither I can reach them. I suppose Logitech might have some server problems. -- erland Erland Isaksson 'My homepage' (http://erland.isaksson.info) (Install my plugins through Extension Downloader) (Developer of 'TrackStat, SQLPlayList, DynamicPlayList, Custom Browse, Custom Scan, Custom Skip, Multi Library, Title Switcher and Database Query plugins' (http://wiki.erland.isaksson.info/index.php/Category:SlimServer)) erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79234 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] www.slimdevices.com gone?
Was there anything of importance on either site? Those two web sites have been living on borrowed time for a while now. -- JJZolx Jim JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79234 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] www.slimdevices.com gone?
Tell that to Google, logitechsqueezebox.com is the top result for squeezebox and squeezebox logitech -- andynormancx Yes, it will. Yes, all of them. Yes, SoftSqueeze as well. What ? I SAID ALL OF THEM ! andynormancx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17417 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79234 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] www.slimdevices.com gone?
Not too surprising, as Google puts a lot of weight on the domain name. And, of course, it was Logitech Squeezebox related. http://www.google.com/support/webmasters/bin/answer.py?hl=enanswer=164734 If you're suggesting the site should be left up _because_ it ranks high in Google search results, I suppose that's for Logitech marketing to decide. They didn't appear to have anyone maintaining the web sites any longer. There's no good reason to keep them if they can't maintain them. -- JJZolx Jim JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79234 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] www.slimdevices.com gone?
JJZolx;551330 Wrote: If you're suggesting the site should be left up _because_ it ranks high in Google search results, I suppose that's for Logitech marketing to decide. They didn't appear to have anyone maintaining the web sites any longer. There's no good reason to keep them if they can't maintain them. No. They should put a permanent redirect to the Squeezebox pages on the Logitech website. That way Google will, in theory learn where to go. Anyway, I doubt that the sites have been deliberately pulled. I expect no one in charge has noticed they are down. -- andynormancx Yes, it will. Yes, all of them. Yes, SoftSqueeze as well. What ? I SAID ALL OF THEM ! andynormancx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17417 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79234 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] www.slimdevices.com gone?
To make matters worse the Logitech pages for Squeezebox don't appear anywhere in at least the first 5 pages of results. Which says everything about the quality of the Squeezebox pages on the Logitech site :( -- andynormancx Yes, it will. Yes, all of them. Yes, SoftSqueeze as well. What ? I SAID ALL OF THEM ! andynormancx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17417 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79234 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] www.slimdevices.com gone?
I see a sponsored link as the first thing. Below is an honest-to-God quote. Only Available at Logitech.com. Free Shipping. Order Today! Logitech marketing at it's finest. Here's our newest product and you can only buy it directly from us. -- JJZolx Jim JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79234 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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andynormancx;551340 Wrote: Anyway, I doubt that the sites have been deliberately pulled. I expect no one in charge has noticed they are down. They are now redirected to the standard Logitech pages, so I suspect they have been intentionally pulled. I wonder how new users are going to find this forum, as far as I can see there is only a link to the Logitech support forum from the support site. I suppose they can always use Google and search to find it. -- erland Erland Isaksson 'My homepage' (http://erland.isaksson.info) (Install my plugins through Extension Downloader) (Developer of 'TrackStat, SQLPlayList, DynamicPlayList, Custom Browse, Custom Scan, Custom Skip, Multi Library, Title Switcher and Database Query plugins' (http://wiki.erland.isaksson.info/index.php/Category:SlimServer)) erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79234 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] www.slimdevices.com gone?
JJZolx;551347 Wrote: Logitech marketing at it's finest. Here's our newest product and you can only buy it directly from us. Yeah, that's gonna help convince retailers to carry the gear. . I think it's time for a concerted community effort to copy/mirror the forums, bugzilla, wiki, and svn source code repository just in case. Each of these resources is only an email away from a similar fate. -- peterw http://www.tux.org/~peterw/ Free plugins: 'AllQuiet' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/AllQuiet.html) 'Auto Dim/AutoDisplay' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/AutoDisplay.html) 'BlankSaver' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/BlankSaver.html) 'ContextMenu' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/ContextMenu.html) 'DenonSerial' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/DenonSerial.html) 'FuzzyTime' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/FuzzyTime.html) 'KidsPlay' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/KidsPlay.html) 'KitchenTimer' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/KitchenTimer.html) 'PlayLog' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/PlayLog.html) 'PowerCenter/BottleRocket' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/PowerCenter.html) 'SaverSwitcher' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/SaverSwitcher.html) 'SettingsManager' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/SettingsManager.html) 'SleepFade' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/SleepFade.html) 'StatusFirst' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/StatusFirst.html) 'SyncOptions' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/SyncOptions.html) 'VolumeLock' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/VolumeLock.html) peterw's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2107 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79234 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] www.slimdevices.com gone?
erland;551356 Wrote: They are now redirected to the standard Logitech pages, so I suspect they have been intentionally pulled. Looks like it. They have also done a reasonable job of redirecting old URLs to the right place (including the forum). However they have missed two important ones, the Support and Download links. -- andynormancx Yes, it will. Yes, all of them. Yes, SoftSqueeze as well. What ? I SAID ALL OF THEM ! andynormancx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17417 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79234 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] www.slimdevices.com gone?
Looks like the bugtracker has been down for a few days now, too. Hopefully that's a coincidence. -Dan -- plympton plympton's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12955 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79234 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] www.slimdevices.com gone?
peterw;551412 Wrote: I think it's time for a concerted community effort to copy/mirror the forums, bugzilla, wiki, and svn source code repository just in case. Can forum and wiki and bugzilla be mirrored without the help of Logitech ? I know svn is possible but I'm not sure about the rest. -- erland Erland Isaksson 'My homepage' (http://erland.isaksson.info) (Install my plugins through Extension Downloader) (Developer of 'TrackStat, SQLPlayList, DynamicPlayList, Custom Browse, Custom Scan, Custom Skip, Multi Library, Title Switcher and Database Query plugins' (http://wiki.erland.isaksson.info/index.php/Category:SlimServer)) erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79234 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] www.slimdevices.com gone?
erland;551497 Wrote: Can forum and wiki and bugzilla be mirrored without the help of Logitech ? I know svn is possible but I'm not sure about the rest. Not very easily. 'wget' would probably do OK with the wiki (at least the latest version of each page), but I think you'd want something special to copy the forum bugzilla (could be as simple as requesting individual posts bugs + some logic for attachments). For svn, you mean copying the full repo, including all changes? I haven't bothered to rtfm on that yet. -- peterw http://www.tux.org/~peterw/ Free plugins: 'AllQuiet' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/AllQuiet.html) 'Auto Dim/AutoDisplay' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/AutoDisplay.html) 'BlankSaver' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/BlankSaver.html) 'ContextMenu' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/ContextMenu.html) 'DenonSerial' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/DenonSerial.html) 'FuzzyTime' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/FuzzyTime.html) 'KidsPlay' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/KidsPlay.html) 'KitchenTimer' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/KitchenTimer.html) 'PlayLog' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/PlayLog.html) 'PowerCenter/BottleRocket' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/PowerCenter.html) 'SaverSwitcher' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/SaverSwitcher.html) 'SettingsManager' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/SettingsManager.html) 'SleepFade' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/SleepFade.html) 'StatusFirst' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/StatusFirst.html) 'SyncOptions' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/SyncOptions.html) 'VolumeLock' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/VolumeLock.html) peterw's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2107 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79234 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] www.slimdevices.com gone?
Attention to detail is apparently not a requirement for working at Logitech: http://slimdevices.com http://logitechsqueezebox.com -- JJZolx Jim JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79234 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] www.slimdevices.com gone?
peterw;551508 Wrote: Not very easily. 'wget' would probably do OK with the wiki (at least the latest version of each page), but I think you'd want something special to copy the forum bugzilla (could be as simple as requesting individual posts bugs + some logic for attachments). Aren't there mailing list archives that could be used if we are just interested of the contents of the forum ? I didn't find anything on the Logitech servers, but maybe the mirror on gmane is good enough ? http://blog.gmane.org/index.php?prefix=gmane.music.equipment.slimdevices peterw;551508 Wrote: For svn, you mean copying the full repo, including all changes? I haven't bothered to rtfm on that yet. svnsync works for svn, I've actually used it previously and it works perfectly. You can sync the whole repository initially and after that once every day sync the additional changes. I use this also for my Google Code project to make sure I have a copy of the Google Code svn repository for my plugins on my local server. -- erland Erland Isaksson 'My homepage' (http://erland.isaksson.info) (Install my plugins through Extension Downloader) (Developer of 'TrackStat, SQLPlayList, DynamicPlayList, Custom Browse, Custom Scan, Custom Skip, Multi Library, Title Switcher and Database Query plugins' (http://wiki.erland.isaksson.info/index.php/Category:SlimServer)) erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79234 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[slim] www.slimdevices.com gone?
http://www.slimdevices.com is no longer reachable today, likewise with http://logitechsqueezebox.com. Anyone have any insight? -- AnotherTribe AnotherTribe's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4118 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79234 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
