[DNG] ifconfig vs ip

2016-06-02 Thread Simon Walter
Hi All, I am working on some cdist scripts for setting up some network interfaces. So far I am modifying the /etc/network/interfaces and then bring down and up the interfaces. For a while now /etc/init.d/networking has a warning that it is deprecated. I understand why. So I issue: # ip address

Re: [DNG] SoylentNews discussion

2016-06-02 Thread Simon Walter
On 06/03/2016 06:45 AM, Jaromil wrote: > however this is all abstract speculation now. I'm not even sure we'll > make such a big change in testing. most people and organizations > switching to Devuan today (me included) are in need of a system that > does not change their workflow arbitrarily. On

Re: [DNG] Devuan Top100 on DistroWatch

2016-06-02 Thread Simon Walter
On 06/03/2016 01:55 AM, KatolaZ wrote: > On Thu, Jun 02, 2016 at 06:27:43PM +0200, Jaromil wrote: >> On Thu, 02 Jun 2016, Joel Roth wrote: >> >>> Actually, the news doesn't even have to be good. There's nothing >>> like an engineered controversy full of flames, to gain interest of >>> the press.

Re: [DNG] resolved

2016-06-07 Thread Simon Walter
On 06/07/2016 03:47 PM, Jaromil wrote: sorry for abstracting the topic, but I definitely see a pattern in many contexts. I could bring forward more arguments on why this happens in the technology industry at a time in which material production techniques reached an innovation peak after 2

Re: [DNG] How to acknowledge ported version of Open Source program?

2016-06-07 Thread Simon Walter
On 06/07/2016 02:51 PM, Hughe Chung wrote: I've been porting an Open Source program to Python 3.4 for my personal use. The original source code written by C language in 2005 has MIT license. ... I'm planning to release it under GPLv3 soon. I will definitely acknowledge original author on

Re: [DNG] devuan installer and overheating

2016-06-07 Thread Simon Walter
On 06/07/2016 02:45 PM, emnin...@riseup.net wrote: Finally i succeeded in installing a devuan ascii into qemu (running on an archlinux openrc system). And here too, i noticed that the debian installer is somehow "extreme" in using ressources. Note this is *NOT* an amd graphics based machine but

Re: [DNG] Killing background processes on logout [was Re: resolved]

2016-06-08 Thread Simon Walter
On 06/09/2016 07:07 AM, Dan Purgert wrote: Didier Kryn wrote: [snip] I cite: "Systemd and cgroup developers are working together to turn systemd into a global cgroup manager that creates higher-level control knobs and prevents direct access to the kernel. Many Systemd changes are already

Re: [DNG] devuan installer and overheating

2016-06-07 Thread Simon Walter
On 06/08/2016 12:15 PM, Simon Walter wrote: On 06/07/2016 07:38 PM, emnin...@riseup.net wrote: Am Tue, 07 Jun 2016 08:33:08 + schrieb Simon Walter <si...@gikaku.com>: I have not noticed this. What are the models of your notebook computers? You could do everyone a favour and

Re: [DNG] How to acknowledge ported version of Open Source program?

2016-06-07 Thread Simon Walter
On 06/07/2016 09:35 PM, Arnt Karlsen wrote: On Tue, 7 Jun 2016 15:31:31 +0900, Simon wrote in message <57566a43.4050...@gikaku.com>: On 06/07/2016 02:51 PM, Hughe Chung wrote: I've been porting an Open Source program to Python 3.4 for my personal use. The original source code written by C

Re: [DNG] resolved

2016-06-07 Thread Simon Walter
On 06/07/2016 06:59 PM, Simon Hobson wrote: Steve Litt wrote: I'm all for corporations making money. I get paid, why shouldn't they? Indeed. I find it "interesting" to hear some people suggesting they shouldn't have to pay for anything - and think that if anyone

Re: [DNG] Killing background processes on logout [was Re: resolved]

2016-06-08 Thread Simon Walter
On 06/08/2016 07:49 PM, KatolaZ wrote: [sorry for the long reply] Very well put. Killing all the processes at logout should be easily doable using cgroups (which existed much before Poettering got his bachelor degree), and is indeed easily doable with screen, nohup, and hundred of similar

Re: [DNG] ifconfig vs ip

2016-06-06 Thread Simon Walter
On 06/06/2016 08:48 PM, Rainer Weikusat wrote: Simon Walter <si...@gikaku.com> writes: On 06/05/2016 12:16 AM, Rainer Weikusat wrote: Simon Walter <si...@gikaku.com> writes: [...] I am adding containers (LXC) and virtual network to the box, I think I will add an tap and brid

Re: [DNG] LXC template for Devuan

2016-06-12 Thread Simon Walter
On 06/10/2016 10:39 PM, Greg Olsen wrote: On 2016-06-10 08:59, Simon Walter wrote: [snip] > > I will give the templates a go now. I had some issues: perl: warning: Setting locale failed. perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings: LANGUAGE = "en_US:en"

[DNG] LXC template for Devuan

2016-06-09 Thread Simon Walter
Hi all, I am wondering if it is a good idea to submit a modified version of the debian template to the upstream LXC project. I am not sure who wrote those scripts. It seems like that is part of LXC source. So I am guessing it has nothing to do with the Debian LXC package maintainer. Also,

Re: [DNG] ifconfig vs ip

2016-06-09 Thread Simon Walter
s really paranoid, I might use something other than LXC, since other technologies isolate even more. Though, I might put the firewall in it's own container even if just for the sake of modularity/maintenance. On 06/10/2016 08:06 AM, Greg Olsen wrote: > On 2016-06-09 02:50, Simon Walter wrote: >

Re: [DNG] LXC template for Devuan

2016-06-09 Thread Simon Walter
(A little update) What I did was: cp /usr/share/lxc/templates/lxc-debian /usr/share/lxc/templates/lxc-devuan cp /usr/share/lxc/config/debian.common.conf /usr/share/lxc/config/devuan.common.conf cp /usr/share/lxc/config/debian.userns.conf /usr/share/lxc/config/devuan.userns.conf I don't know

Re: [DNG] LXC template for Devuan

2016-06-10 Thread Simon Walter
On 06/10/2016 05:35 PM, Simon Walter wrote: On 06/10/2016 05:11 PM, KatolaZ wrote: On Fri, Jun 10, 2016 at 12:41:36PM +0900, Simon Walter wrote: Hi all, I am wondering if it is a good idea to submit a modified version of the debian template to the upstream LXC project. I am not sure who

Re: [DNG] LXC template for Devuan

2016-06-10 Thread Simon Walter
On 06/10/2016 06:16 PM, Jaromil wrote: On Fri, 10 Jun 2016, Simon Walter wrote: I will give the templates a go now. thanks! I am going to try Greg's template on the BETA release. My simple edit on the alpha4 worked fine, but Greg's templates didn't work as well. So I am trying with BETA

Re: [DNG] ifconfig vs ip

2016-06-10 Thread Simon Walter
On 06/10/2016 03:55 PM, Greg Olsen wrote: On 2016-06-10 06:34, Greg Olsen wrote: [snip] > The only side-effect are the extra messages during ifup with > "bridge_ports none": > > iface testbr1 inet static > bridge_ports none > address 10.91.0.1 > netmask

Re: [DNG] LXC template for Devuan

2016-06-10 Thread Simon Walter
On 06/10/2016 05:11 PM, KatolaZ wrote: On Fri, Jun 10, 2016 at 12:41:36PM +0900, Simon Walter wrote: Hi all, I am wondering if it is a good idea to submit a modified version of the debian template to the upstream LXC project. I am not sure who wrote those scripts. It seems like that is part

Re: [DNG] ifconfig vs ip

2016-06-03 Thread Simon Walter
On 06/03/2016 04:43 PM, Adam Borowski wrote: > On Fri, Jun 03, 2016 at 08:56:50AM +0900, Simon Walter wrote: >> I am working on some cdist scripts for setting up some network interfaces. >> >> So far I am modifying the /etc/network/interfaces and then bring down >

Re: [DNG] ifconfig vs ip

2016-06-03 Thread Simon Walter
On 06/03/2016 11:23 PM, Rainer Weikusat wrote: This stop-modify-restart is a bit coarse-grained and it's also possible to do this manually without 'interface downtime' but there's no general interface for that: The sequence of commands will depend on both the running configuration and the

Re: [DNG] Init compatibility

2016-06-04 Thread Simon Walter
On 06/04/2016 04:27 PM, Steve Litt wrote: I always feel a lot better when I can singlehandedly fix what goes wrong with my possessions. Here here! Give this man a beer! I usually use both hands, but I do know what you mean. ___ Dng mailing list

[DNG] Devuan on Android

2016-06-13 Thread Simon Walter
Hi all, I want to report that I've installed Devuan on a "rooted" Android device using DebKit. All I did was: 1. Change the package mirror to: auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged 2. After the debootstrap process is complete and under the chroot install the devuan-keyring package. I tried to use

Re: [DNG] LXC template for Devuan

2016-06-14 Thread Simon Walter
Hi Greg, I've read had a look and a test. Please see my ramblings below. I am in no hurry. So please take your time. ;) On 06/14/2016 10:02 AM, Greg Olsen wrote: On 2016-06-14 00:39, Simon Walter wrote: > Well, maybe I didn't say it correctly. Is there already a devuan-keyring > p

Re: [DNG] LXC template for Devuan

2016-06-14 Thread Simon Walter
On 06/15/2016 10:26 AM, Greg Olsen wrote: On 2016-06-14 09:22, Simon Walter wrote: > I think that maybe you read my email too fast. So I will try to be verbose. Hi Simon, If I misread then I apologize. No need to! ... > > Also I notice gcc-4.8-base is being removed towards t

Re: [DNG] Installer Devuan Jessie 1.0 fails

2016-06-15 Thread Simon Walter
On 06/15/2016 06:21 PM, emnin...@riseup.net wrote: ... But if so: Shouldn't we investigate the installer? I mean, it's not really user friendly to have an installer subject to that kind of errors. And in my experience there are even other problems like the overheating problem for amd graphics

Re: [DNG] Installer Devuan Jessie 1.0 fails

2016-06-15 Thread Simon Walter
On 06/15/2016 08:52 PM, emnin...@riseup.net wrote: We are not so spoiled that we need to use a mouse for everything, are we? Simon My problem (the failure while installing the base system) happens in both, the graphical and the text mode installer. I'd suspect there's something wrong with

Re: [DNG] cosmetic installer issues

2016-06-15 Thread Simon Walter
On 06/15/2016 08:16 PM, richard lucassen wrote: ... 1) Wishlist: a real PXE installer like Debian is providing. Just an intrd.gz and a vmlinuz that will guide you through the install process. No need for USB sticks or CD drives. Running a PXE installer together with an apt-cacher-ng saves time

Re: [DNG] ifconfig vs ip

2016-06-06 Thread Simon Walter
Adam, Rainer, Simon, Thanks guys. I thought I knew what I was doing, but now I think I might be able to execute this better with all of your advice. Cheers, Simon ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org

Re: [DNG] resolved

2016-06-06 Thread Simon Walter
On 06/07/2016 05:45 AM, Jim Murphy wrote: On Mon, Jun 6, 2016 at 2:23 PM, Klaus Hartnegg wrote: All programmers please read this, and treat it as a list of things not to do. https://lists.dns-oarc.net/pipermail/dns-operations/2016-June/014964.html Systemd manages to

Re: [DNG] man init

2016-06-05 Thread Simon Walter
On 06/04/2016 09:39 PM, Didier Kryn wrote: Le 04/06/2016 14:00, Nate Bargmann a écrit : * On 2016 04 Jun 04:52 -0500, Jaromil wrote: On Fri, 03 Jun 2016, Joel Roth wrote: My system is devuan/jessie, upgraded from debian. It's interesting that 'man init' brings up the systemd man page.

Re: [DNG] ifconfig vs ip

2016-06-05 Thread Simon Walter
On 06/05/2016 12:16 AM, Rainer Weikusat wrote: Simon Walter <si...@gikaku.com> writes: [...] I am adding containers (LXC) and virtual network to the box, I think I will add an tap and bridge interface to an /etc/network/interface.d/ file. If I use something like: auto br0 iface br

Re: [DNG] Killing background processes on logout [was Re: resolved]

2016-06-08 Thread Simon Walter
linuxvoice.com/interview-lennart-poettering It's an old article, but as I read, I realized how much I disagree with Lennart. TBH, he sounds like an Apple fan. Now we get controversial, because those who like to feel smart, yet don't know much, feel empowered by AI. Those who don't feel

Re: [DNG] ifconfig vs ip

2016-06-08 Thread Simon Walter
Hi everyone, After some testing, I have a question about an option in /etc/default/shorewall: wait_interface If I add the bridge interface to that line, shorewall will not start unless a container is brought up. I suppose that is why I was thinking of bridging the bridge inerface with a tap

Re: [DNG] You might have seen this already...

2016-05-28 Thread Simon Walter
On 05/28/2016 09:55 PM, Rainer Weikusat wrote: This means the leading sentence would be more appropriately worded as "In my opinion, it's actually quite strange that UNIX(*) enables users of the system to run background jobs". Well put! On 05/29/2016 02:48 AM, Steve Litt wrote: I see

Re: [DNG] You might have seen this already...

2016-05-29 Thread Simon Walter
On 05/29/2016 04:13 PM, Edward Bartolo wrote: Hi, The last statement is not an expression of my opinion but sadly what the majority think. Yes, I too hold the belief that 'veracity' is of prime importance. Edward, I am glad you clarified that and I am glad to be in such good company!

Re: [DNG] You might have seen this already...

2016-05-29 Thread Simon Walter
On 05/29/2016 03:20 PM, Edward Bartolo wrote: After all, it is money that counts. I am of the opinion that it is veracity that counts. I am also of the opinion that there are many who share the previous opinion with me. Therefore not all software will cater to the ignorant.

Re: [DNG] What's the correct place for backgrounds, wallpapers etc.

2016-06-01 Thread Simon Walter
On 06/02/2016 12:10 AM, Go Linux wrote: On Wed, 6/1/16, hellekin wrote: Subject: Re: [DNG] What's the correct place for backgrounds, wallpapers etc. To: dng@lists.dyne.org Date: Wednesday, June 1, 2016, 1:23 AM You may also install desktop themes in your user's

Re: [DNG] LXC template for Devuan

2016-06-13 Thread Simon Walter
On 06/14/2016 09:26 AM, Greg Olsen wrote: On 2016-06-13 01:28, Simon Walter wrote: [snip] > > This might be a bit surprising but I actually wrote lxc-devuan with > > *non-Devuan* OS's in mind. To not discourage people from running Devuan, > > it automatically

Re: [DNG] [OT] [Re: Studying C as told. (For help)

2016-06-21 Thread Simon Walter
On 06/21/2016 05:28 PM, KatolaZ wrote: On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 at 08:22:41AM +0200, Edward Bartolo wrote: [cut] I studied 'and' and 'or' boolean operators back when I studied Delphi Pascal. I am embarrassed to have written such a stupid thing. It must be due to the fact I wrote the email just

Re: [DNG] [OT] [Re: Studying C as told. (For help)

2016-06-21 Thread Simon Walter
On 06/21/2016 06:09 PM, KatolaZ wrote: On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 at 05:47:59PM +0900, Simon Walter wrote: [cut] Be careful, because conditional expressions in C are subject to "short-circuiting", meaning that only the minimum number of expressions sufficient to determine the value

Re: [DNG] LXC template for Devuan

2016-06-18 Thread Simon Walter
On 06/18/2016 10:31 AM, Greg Olsen wrote: ... In the meantime, I added Simon Walter as a Developer for lxc-devuan. Simon, As a developer you can push directly to the main development branch. I added a "draft" Contribution guide, and I'll be following the same process myself as outli

Re: [DNG] Studying C as told. (For help)

2016-06-23 Thread Simon Walter
On 06/23/2016 11:26 AM, Adam Borowski wrote: ... [1]. Actually, the English alphabet had more letters: þ, ð, ƿ[2] and ȝ, but they got dropped as early printing presses imported from Germany lacked these characters. Before the technology was copied and fonts could be manufactured domestically,

Re: [DNG] LXC template for Devuan

2016-06-20 Thread Simon Walter
om scratch (suggestions are welcome, please). Disable --no-check-gpg as the fallback? No votes against this: +1 Simon Walter +1 Greg Olsen So when convenient, I may go ahead and disable that. Hi Greg, I've added a branch called add-netconf, which you have probably seen. I thought to ju

Re: [DNG] suspend

2016-04-12 Thread Simon Walter
On 2016/04/13 3:03, Jaromil wrote: Now if you like this project to thrive then please lower the aggression you also recognize as disruptive in other projects. Let go, ignore what is not interesting. Noone here needs an expert to give an opinion on every topic, even if mistakes are made. Even

Re: [DNG] ...and when trolling went too far

2016-04-04 Thread Simon Walter
On 2016/04/04 17:39, Trond Arild Ydersbond wrote: Den Mandag, 4. april 2016 8.09 skrev Mitt Green : https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Lennart_Poettering=703955376 Representing him as an ass and bloatware generator is definitely not in the interest of those

Re: [DNG] icedove install-recommends

2016-04-03 Thread Simon Walter
On 2016/04/04 13:27, Steve Litt wrote: Isn't Icedove a re-branded Thunderbird? Every time I try to use Thunderbird, it's an order of magnitude slower than Claws-Mail. I think XUL shows it's weakness. I am not an expert, but AFAIR, this is the reason why the Mozilla family of applications

Re: [DNG] removing unwanted bluetooth

2016-04-14 Thread Simon Walter
On 2016/04/14 19:45, Rainer H. Rauschenberg wrote: On Thu, 14 Apr 2016, Boruch Baum wrote: 1] The devuan installer shouldn't include bluetooth as a default kernel module. IMHO the devuan installer only should deviate from the debian installer where absolutely necessary (i.e. necessary to

Re: [DNG] M$ Linux-frendly

2016-04-22 Thread Simon Walter
On 04/23/2016 01:58 AM, Steve Litt wrote: On Fri, 22 Apr 2016 18:18:56 +0200 Didier Kryn wrote: Interesting discussion on Microsoft involvement with Linux: http://www.linuxpromagazine.com/Online/Blogs/Off-the-Beat-Bruce-Byfield-s-Blog/Hating-Microsoft I cite a

Re: [DNG] M$ Linux-frendly

2016-04-22 Thread Simon Walter
On 04/23/2016 10:54 AM, Go Linux wrote: On Fri, 4/22/16, Simon Walter <si...@gikaku.com> wrote: What is the reason people use CentOS? It's in the name and Cpanel is evidence. I think that people use Centos to avoid the cost of an expensive support contract with Redhat. But stil

Re: [DNG] Gtk Development

2016-04-25 Thread Simon Walter
On April 26, 2016 2:37:42 AM GMT+09:00, KatolaZ wrote: >On Mon, Apr 25, 2016 at 05:36:44PM +0100, Arnt Gulbrandsen wrote: >> kato...@freaknet.org writes: >> >Seeing that 90% of free software uses autohell I guess it might be >not >> >so ugly :) >> >> That's the Microsoft

Re: [DNG] What do we want for ascii ?

2016-04-21 Thread Simon Walter
On 04/22/2016 01:51 PM, Joel Roth wrote: Didier Kryn wrote: hellekin a écrit : Does apulse serve for anything else than running non-free spyware? Probably not. The author states that his goal was to run Skype test call, and after he achieved this goal, the project has just been stale.

Re: [DNG] For all you automounter programmers

2016-04-27 Thread Simon Walter
On 04/28/2016 09:28 AM, fsmithred wrote: You could get the label from lsblk, do 'pmount label' and it will be mounted at /media/label. Every time you plug in a thumb drive labeled backup, it'll go to the same place. If you unmount the drive, /media/label will no longer exist, so you could even

Re: [DNG] Which desktops work without systemd

2016-04-23 Thread Simon Walter
On 04/23/2016 04:20 PM, aitor_czr wrote: On 04/22/2016 11:17 AM, KatolaZ wrote: In my opinion there's no magic line where things on one side are window >managers and things on the other side are desktop environments. I think >we can all agree that Unity, KDE and Gnome

Re: [DNG] Beta

2016-04-28 Thread Simon Walter
On 04/29/2016 04:53 AM, p wrote: Thanks for beta :) Yes! Thank you! It's good to see devuan.org now goes to beta.devuan.org. Good stuff. On 04/29/2016 05:24 AM, Ismael L. Donis Garcia wrote: When you will come out devuan jessie v1.0.0-beta_i386_CD.iso? Me too. I need this for

Re: [DNG] Which desktops work without systemd

2016-04-21 Thread Simon Walter
On 04/22/2016 05:57 AM, Mitt Green wrote: ‎Rob van der Putten wrote: Which desktops work without systemd? A list would be nice. Every desktop environment is known to work without systemd. GNOME3 works on Funtoo, Slackware, FreeBSD, OpenBSD, DragonflyBSD. It depends on the distribution itself.

Re: [DNG] Supervision scripts

2016-05-06 Thread Simon Walter
On 05/06/2016 08:05 PM, Rainer Weikusat wrote: Simon Walter <si...@gikaku.com> writes: On 05/05/2016 11:11 PM, Rainer Weikusat wrote: Simon Walter <si...@gikaku.com> writes: [...] On 05/05/2016 05:45 AM, Rainer Weikusat wrote: It greatly reduces the number of "low-qu

Re: [DNG] Supervision scripts (was Re: OpenRC and Devuan)

2016-05-05 Thread Simon Walter
On 05/05/2016 03:18 AM, Stephanie Daugherty wrote: Process supervision is something I'm very opinionated about. In a number of high availability production environments, its a necessary evil. However, it should *never* be an out of the box default for any network-exposed service, Service

Re: [DNG] Supervision scripts

2016-05-06 Thread Simon Walter
On 05/05/2016 11:11 PM, Rainer Weikusat wrote: Simon Walter <si...@gikaku.com> writes: [...] On 05/05/2016 05:45 AM, Rainer Weikusat wrote: It greatly reduces the number of "low-quality" (or rather, "no quality") bug reports I receive as I don't (usually) get fra

Re: [DNG] Devuan Web A11y

2016-04-18 Thread Simon Walter
On 04/19/2016 01:29 PM, hellekin wrote: https://beta.devuan.org Just from a quick glance, it looks really nice - much better than the current site. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

[DNG] Cdist for Devuan

2016-04-18 Thread Simon Walter
Hi all, I saw Herb's question about Open Stack. I thought I should mention that I've added support to Cdist for Devuan. Simon ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [DNG] What do we want for ascii ?

2016-04-18 Thread Simon Walter
On 04/18/2016 07:13 PM, Noel Torres wrote: * our own bug reporting system Hi all, I am a bit surprised there is no bug tracker and some other architecture. I would like to help make this a reality. Who is "in charge" of that and who decides this kind of thing? Simon

Re: [DNG] suspend

2016-04-13 Thread Simon Walter
On 2016/04/14 0:43, Rowland Penny wrote: On 13/04/16 16:36, hellekin wrote: On 04/13/2016 12:44 AM, Simon Walter wrote: I don't mean that we have to be PC about everything, but "to be PC"? Err, what? Can you expand the acronym if that doesn't mean Personal Computer? == hk

Re: [DNG] apt-get vs. aptitude ?

2016-04-16 Thread Simon Walter
On 04/16/2016 06:22 PM, KatolaZ wrote: On Fri, Apr 15, 2016 at 04:25:20PM -0500, dev wrote: On 04/15/2016 03:36 PM, Linux O'Beardly wrote: For what it's worth, much of the apt vs aptitude is preference and opinion. However, aptitude does bit better of a job resolving dependencies and

Re: [DNG] hashtag retarded

2016-05-09 Thread Simon Walter
On May 9, 2016 7:40:50 PM GMT+09:00, Jaromil wrote: > >TL;DR some people find it cozy to stay here, therefore dng will keep >existing, but if you don't like it, there are more options with less >"noise". > > >On Mon, 09 May 2016, Teodoro Santoni wrote: > >> In this mailing

Re: [DNG] Ugly, ugly news

2016-07-25 Thread Simon Walter
On 07/26/2016 08:03 AM, Adam Borowski wrote: On Mon, Jul 25, 2016 at 10:06:09PM +, hellekin wrote: On 07/25/2016 06:07 PM, Steve Litt wrote: This is a screenshot of my buddy's kernel menuconfig: https://sanitarium.net/x.png Support for init systems, system and service managers: [*]

Re: [DNG] Ugly, ugly news

2016-07-25 Thread Simon Walter
On 07/26/2016 12:28 PM, Brad Campbell wrote: On 26/07/16 10:27, Simon Walter wrote: Is that really the case? Did the Debian leadership do a poll to find out what their users wanted and who were their typical users? Desktop/personal vs. server/professional? yes/no? Did they consult

Re: [DNG] Ugly, ugly news

2016-07-26 Thread Simon Walter
On 07/26/2016 03:45 PM, Steve Litt wrote: On Tue, 26 Jul 2016 11:27:20 +0900 Simon Walter <si...@gikaku.com> wrote: We need to drive a wedge into the FOSS community and separate the desktop users from the professionals. I am sorry to be divisive, but the water is under the

Re: [DNG] Ugly, ugly news

2016-07-26 Thread Simon Walter
On 07/26/2016 04:27 PM, Edward Bartolo wrote: Simon Walker wrote: << Here's the thing: most users will be entirely happy with fully uncustomized systemd. It will suspend your laptop if you close the lid, and even give your download manager veto power. I fully support Debian's decision to use

Re: [DNG] [Kali Linux 0003165]: Find a way to disable most services by default with systemd

2016-07-12 Thread Simon Walter
On 07/12/2016 08:45 PM, vmlinux wrote: There was a time when this sort of nonsense was heavily frowned upon. i suspect what has happened is that the user base has changed. it's difficult to learn the ropes from the cli so GUI allows the novice to do things quickly because the only skill

Re: [DNG] Earth-friendly micro-desktop Devuan demo

2016-07-24 Thread Simon Walter
On 07/25/2016 01:31 AM, Simon Hobson wrote: I've come to the conclusion that "fast boot" can be counter productive. SWMBO has a Windows laptop that's quite quick to get to the login screen, but from the disk activity indicator it's clear it's not actually booted - just prioritised getting to

Re: [DNG] Why Debian 8 Pinning is (or isn't) pointless

2016-07-28 Thread Simon Walter
On 07/28/2016 05:50 PM, Simon Hobson wrote: ... but personally I consider it unethical to leave booby traps in systems for anyone that comes along to manage it after me. ... > That, for the most part, is why I've gone to great lengths to only use distro packaged software on the systems - even

Re: [DNG] openvpn systemd

2016-07-24 Thread Simon Walter
On 07/24/2016 02:14 PM, Robert Storey wrote: This got me wondering...do you we have a How-To for setting up OpenVPN on Devuan? I'm using wicd for my Internet connection, which as I understand doesn't support OpenVPN directly, but there is supposed to be a way to make it work. I haven't

Re: [DNG] Flexible software (Was: F1 and special usernames on the login screen)

2016-07-21 Thread Simon Walter
On 07/20/2016 05:19 AM, Tomasz Torcz wrote: On Tue, Jul 19, 2016 at 09:57:41PM +0200, Jaromil wrote: On Tue, 19 Jul 2016, Simon Walter wrote: Since this is Devuan (something about veteran *unix* admins, and coming from Debian - the *universal* OS), I would not have expected Devuan's fans

[DNG] openvpn systemd

2016-07-22 Thread Simon Walter
It's nothing serious. I just noticed this and though to myself, "Why all the trouble? What a bother!" /etc/default/openvpn: # This is the configuration file for /etc/init.d/openvpn # # Start only these VPNs automatically via init script. # Allowed values are "all", "none" or space separated

Re: [DNG] Wirth's law

2016-07-23 Thread Simon Walter
On 07/23/2016 05:42 PM, Didier Kryn wrote: Le 22/07/2016 18:21, Brian Nash a écrit : For example, when I discovered multithreading, all my programs used it in some way, even when it was unnecessary. I sometimes use multithreading, but never mutexes. Mutex can be harmless if there's only one.

Re: [DNG] F1 and special usernames on the login screen

2016-07-22 Thread Simon Walter
On 07/22/2016 01:56 PM, Didier Kryn wrote: Le 21/07/2016 14:50, Arnt Gulbrandsen a écrit : Didier Kryn writes: I don't reply to your questions since Florian did :-) but I, myself, have two questions: - Still don't know what key you are talking of; never seen that on a keyboard.

Re: [DNG] Ugly, ugly news

2016-07-28 Thread Simon Walter
On 07/29/2016 06:43 AM, Rick Moen wrote: Quoting Rowland Penny (rpenny241...@gmail.com): It is a very stupid organisation that doesn't listen to its users, you can make the best thing in the world (and systemd certainly isn't that), but if a lot of your users don't want it, you are in trouble.

Re: [DNG] Why Debian 8 Pinning is (or isn't) pointless

2016-07-28 Thread Simon Walter
On 07/29/2016 01:28 PM, Steve Litt wrote: On Fri, 29 Jul 2016 10:49:32 +0900 Simon Walter <si...@gikaku.com> wrote: On 07/29/2016 10:00 AM, info at smallinnovations.nl wrote: On 29-07-16 01:43, Rick Moen wrote: If you can suggest an additional method, I'll be glad to amend m

Re: [DNG] Why Debian 8 Pinning is (or isn't) pointless

2016-07-28 Thread Simon Walter
On 07/29/2016 10:00 AM, info at smallinnovations.nl wrote: On 29-07-16 01:43, Rick Moen wrote: If you can suggest an additional method, I'll be glad to amend my list of suggestions. Otherwise, I'm not sure what your point is. Your point is quite clear: you do not want a fork of debian and

Re: [DNG] Why Debian 8 Pinning is (or isn't) pointless

2016-07-29 Thread Simon Walter
On 07/29/2016 06:27 PM, Simon Hobson wrote: I wrote: ... and in a place where "the IT world starts and ends with Windows" (or more or less did when I started here) that's not a bad result. And bear in mind that when I started here and pointed out that as a Mac user, half of our internal

Re: [DNG] Ugly, ugly news

2016-07-26 Thread Simon Walter
On 07/26/2016 06:09 PM, Rick Moen wrote: Quoting Simon Walter (si...@gikaku.com): Did the Debian leadership do a poll to find out what their users wanted and who were their typical users? To the based of my recollection, no. To be clear, in the blog passage you quoted, Simon Richter

Re: [DNG] Why Debian 8 Pinning is (or isn't) pointless

2016-07-26 Thread Simon Walter
On 07/26/2016 09:58 PM, dev wrote: On 07/26/2016 04:26 AM, Rick Moen wrote: libsystemd0's status as a bundle of interface code that does nothing in the absence of systemd is not because it's a library -- obviously -- but rather because all it _contains_ is interface code that does nothing in

Re: [DNG] Why Debian 8 Pinning is (or isn't) pointless

2016-07-30 Thread Simon Walter
On 07/30/2016 02:57 PM, Rick Moen wrote: Quoting Simon Walter (si...@gikaku.com): Which is why it could be construed that you disagree with a fork of Debian - a for of Debian as in "A fork of Debian that could be said to have been started because the default init system in Debian b

Re: [DNG] Why Debian 8 Pinning is (or isn't) pointless

2016-07-30 Thread Simon Walter
On 07/30/2016 03:55 PM, Rick Moen wrote: Quoting Simon Walter (si...@gikaku.com): Isn't that what's being discussed? When did I say the things you said were opposition for the Devuan Project? 'disagree with a fork of Debian'. I've made clear what I said, and what it meant and didn't mean

Re: [DNG] Why Debian 8 Pinning is (or isn't) pointless

2016-07-29 Thread Simon Walter
On 07/30/2016 04:18 AM, Rick Moen wrote: Quoting Steve Litt (sl...@troubleshooters.com): In all fairness to Rick, he was making his statements on SVLUG, and then, on DNG, *I* referenced the SVLUG archive of the SVLUG discussion, and only then did he repeat his assertions here. And my

Re: [DNG] OT: question about mailing lists

2016-07-27 Thread Simon Walter
On 07/28/2016 02:02 AM, Brian Nash wrote: I recently replied to several threads on this list, and in many cases I forgot to CC the actual list, so the replies only went to one person. dng is actually the first mailing list I have ever used/contributed to, so I am not sure how I'm supposed to do

Re: [DNG] Help needed debugging MySQL install

2016-07-17 Thread Simon Walter
On 07/17/2016 01:01 PM, Simon Walter wrote: Hi everyone, I am having trouble installing mysql-server inside a container (lxc). I have the same problem with a fresh Jessie install. so it doesn't seem specific to Devuan. Basic description of problem: After unpacking and setting up the packages

Re: [DNG] Larcenous mail threads.

2016-07-18 Thread Simon Walter
On 07/18/2016 11:06 PM, Hendrik Boom wrote: On Mon, Jul 18, 2016 at 08:16:03AM +0200, Edward Bartolo wrote: Hi, Simon Walker wrote: << Can you explain how a computer works to a child or perhaps a rubber duck? You place a child at the same level as a rubber duck?! A child can understand

Re: [DNG] Inform DNG users their email has been moved.

2016-07-17 Thread Simon Walter
On 07/18/2016 01:53 AM, Edward Bartolo wrote: Hi, I would like to suggest DNG mail moderators/admins to consider informing mail senders that their mail has been moved. Other email providers like Google always duly informs its users when their email fails to reach its destination and this

Re: [DNG] Help needed debugging MySQL install

2016-07-17 Thread Simon Walter
On 07/18/2016 08:15 AM, Rick Moen wrote: Quoting aitor_czr (aitor_...@gnuinos.org): > The substitute for MySQL is MariaDB :) What you said. ;-> MariaDB is a 100% compatible workalike (binary drop-in replacement). https://mariadb.com/kb/en/mariadb/mariadb-vs-mysql-compatibility/ Same

Re: [DNG] Larcenous mail threads.

2016-07-17 Thread Simon Walter
On 07/18/2016 02:11 AM, Didier Kryn wrote: Le 15/07/2016 06:43, Edward Bartolo a écrit : Yes, I refrain from writing C obfuscated code. +1 It doesn't make sense with today's powerful computers not to write readable code, that is why I make an effort to write readable code. I would

[DNG] Help needed debugging MySQL install

2016-07-16 Thread Simon Walter
Hi everyone, I am having trouble installing mysql-server inside a container (lxc). I have the same problem with a fresh Jessie install. so it doesn't seem specific to Devuan. Basic description of problem: After unpacking and setting up the packages, mysql is stopped and the root use

Re: [DNG] F1 and special usernames on the login screen

2016-07-19 Thread Simon Walter
On 07/19/2016 05:29 PM, Rick Moen wrote: Quoting Arnt Gulbrandsen (a...@gulbrandsen.priv.no): Simon Walter writes: Oh the insolence. Amazing. "You're holding it wrong" comes to mind. There is this guy named Lennart who might agree with you. Quite likely he might, he's not stupid

[DNG] Flexible software (Was: F1 and special usernames on the login screen)

2016-07-19 Thread Simon Walter
On 07/19/2016 04:17 PM, Arnt Gulbrandsen wrote: > Simon Walter writes: >> Oh the insolence. Amazing. "You're holding it wrong" comes to mind. >> There is this guy named Lennart who might agree with you. > > Quite likely he might, he's not stupid after al

Re: [DNG] F1 and special usernames on the login screen

2016-07-18 Thread Simon Walter
On 07/19/2016 10:38 AM, Brad Campbell wrote: On 19/07/16 00:37, Steve Litt wrote: SPECIAL USERNAMES For instance, to reboot the computer from the login screen, type in the username "reboot" (without the quotes), then when asked for the password put the root password, and it reboots. ... This

Re: [DNG] F1 and special usernames on the login screen

2016-07-18 Thread Simon Walter
On 07/19/2016 11:53 AM, Adam Borowski wrote: ... All that talk about multiseat being important or even relevant today is IMO bullshit. ... Oh the insolence. Amazing. "You're holding it wrong" comes to mind. There is this guy named Lennart who might agree with you.

[DNG] debmon.org

2016-07-15 Thread Simon Walter
Has anyone had experience with the packages on debmon.org? I want to use icingaweb2. Any tips or gotchas with their repos? It looks like icingaweb2 is also in sid. Not sure which is more recent. icinga-web (1) is just a "web app". So I may just download it from icinga's web site. Simon

Re: [DNG] Can't connect to Amprolla?

2016-07-11 Thread Simon Walter
On 07/12/2016 05:20 AM, Linux O'Beardly wrote: Alright, the Amprolla host is back up. Apparently, we had a power outage and it shutdown. Obviously, being out of town, I wasn't there to power it back up. Let me know if you all have any issues. Thank you!

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