Re: [DNG] icedove install-recommends

2016-04-03 Thread Simon Walter
On 2016/04/04 13:27, Steve Litt wrote: Isn't Icedove a re-branded Thunderbird? Every time I try to use Thunderbird, it's an order of magnitude slower than Claws-Mail. I think XUL shows it's weakness. I am not an expert, but AFAIR, this is the reason why the Mozilla family of applications beca

Re: [DNG] ...and when trolling went too far

2016-04-04 Thread Simon Walter
On 2016/04/04 17:39, Trond Arild Ydersbond wrote: Den Mandag, 4. april 2016 8.09 skrev Mitt Green : https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Lennart_Poettering&oldid=703955376 Representing him as an ass and bloatware generator is definitely not in the interest of those challenging his action

Re: [DNG] ...and when trolling went too far

2016-04-06 Thread Simon Walter
On 2016/04/07 1:24, Steve Litt wrote: I'll state this clearly: I'm not the person who put up the fake page. I've never written anything false to a Wikipedia page. That being said, I thought it was kind of funny and relatively harmless. After seeing the extreme revulsion several people had to

Re: [DNG] suspend

2016-04-12 Thread Simon Walter
On 2016/04/13 3:03, Jaromil wrote: Now if you like this project to thrive then please lower the aggression you also recognize as disruptive in other projects. Let go, ignore what is not interesting. Noone here needs an expert to give an opinion on every topic, even if mistakes are made. Even a

Re: [DNG] suspend

2016-04-13 Thread Simon Walter
On 2016/04/14 0:43, Rowland Penny wrote: On 13/04/16 16:36, hellekin wrote: On 04/13/2016 12:44 AM, Simon Walter wrote: I don't mean that we have to be PC about everything, but "to be PC"? Err, what? Can you expand the acronym if that doesn't mean Personal Computer

Re: [DNG] removing unwanted bluetooth

2016-04-14 Thread Simon Walter
On 2016/04/14 19:45, Rainer H. Rauschenberg wrote: On Thu, 14 Apr 2016, Boruch Baum wrote: 1] The devuan installer shouldn't include bluetooth as a default kernel module. IMHO the devuan installer only should deviate from the debian installer where absolutely necessary (i.e. necessary to avoid

Re: [DNG] apt-get vs. aptitude ?

2016-04-16 Thread Simon Walter
On 04/16/2016 06:22 PM, KatolaZ wrote: On Fri, Apr 15, 2016 at 04:25:20PM -0500, dev wrote: On 04/15/2016 03:36 PM, Linux O'Beardly wrote: For what it's worth, much of the apt vs aptitude is preference and opinion. However, aptitude does bit better of a job resolving dependencies and preventin

[DNG] Cdist for Devuan

2016-04-18 Thread Simon Walter
Hi all, I saw Herb's question about Open Stack. I thought I should mention that I've added support to Cdist for Devuan. Simon ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [DNG] What do we want for ascii ?

2016-04-18 Thread Simon Walter
On 04/18/2016 07:13 PM, Noel Torres wrote: * our own bug reporting system Hi all, I am a bit surprised there is no bug tracker and some other architecture. I would like to help make this a reality. Who is "in charge" of that and who decides this kind of thing? Simon __

Re: [DNG] Devuan Web A11y

2016-04-18 Thread Simon Walter
On 04/19/2016 01:29 PM, hellekin wrote: https://beta.devuan.org Just from a quick glance, it looks really nice - much better than the current site. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [DNG] Which desktops work without systemd

2016-04-21 Thread Simon Walter
On 04/22/2016 05:57 AM, Mitt Green wrote: ‎Rob van der Putten wrote: Which desktops work without systemd? A list would be nice. Every desktop environment is known to work without systemd. GNOME3 works on Funtoo, Slackware, FreeBSD, OpenBSD, DragonflyBSD. It depends on the distribution itself.

Re: [DNG] What do we want for ascii ?

2016-04-21 Thread Simon Walter
On 04/22/2016 01:51 PM, Joel Roth wrote: Didier Kryn wrote: hellekin a écrit : Does apulse serve for anything else than running non-free spyware? Probably not. The author states that his goal was to run Skype test call, and after he achieved this goal, the project has just been stale.

Re: [DNG] M$ Linux-frendly

2016-04-22 Thread Simon Walter
On 04/23/2016 01:58 AM, Steve Litt wrote: On Fri, 22 Apr 2016 18:18:56 +0200 Didier Kryn wrote: Interesting discussion on Microsoft involvement with Linux: http://www.linuxpromagazine.com/Online/Blogs/Off-the-Beat-Bruce-Byfield-s-Blog/Hating-Microsoft I cite a sentence: "More r

Re: [DNG] M$ Linux-frendly

2016-04-22 Thread Simon Walter
On 04/23/2016 10:54 AM, Go Linux wrote: On Fri, 4/22/16, Simon Walter wrote: What is the reason people use CentOS? It's in the name and Cpanel is evidence. I think that people use Centos to avoid the cost of an expensive support contract with Redhat. But still have the cozy fe

Re: [DNG] M$ Linux-frendly

2016-04-22 Thread Simon Walter
On 04/23/2016 12:14 PM, Go Linux wrote: On Fri, 4/22/16, Simon Walter wrote: Subject: Re: [DNG] M$ Linux-frendly To: dng@lists.dyne.org Date: Friday, April 22, 2016, 9:28 PM On 04/23/2016 10:54 AM, Go Linux wrote: On Fri, 4/22/16, Simon Walter wrote: What is the reason people

Re: [DNG] Which desktops work without systemd

2016-04-23 Thread Simon Walter
On 04/23/2016 04:20 PM, aitor_czr wrote: On 04/22/2016 11:17 AM, KatolaZ wrote: In my opinion there's no magic line where things on one side are window >managers and things on the other side are desktop environments. I think >we can all agree that Unity, KDE and Gnome are desktop environment

Re: [DNG] software that sucks

2016-04-25 Thread Simon Walter
On April 26, 2016 4:36:04 AM GMT+09:00, Mitt Green wrote: > aitor_czr wrote: > >> Seeing that the kde project switched to >> cmake i guess it might be not so ugly aswell. > >I suppose, KDE shouldn't be a role model :) > > KatolaZ wrote: >> Seeing that 90% of free software uses autohell >>

Re: [DNG] Gtk Development

2016-04-25 Thread Simon Walter
On April 26, 2016 2:37:42 AM GMT+09:00, KatolaZ wrote: >On Mon, Apr 25, 2016 at 05:36:44PM +0100, Arnt Gulbrandsen wrote: >> kato...@freaknet.org writes: >> >Seeing that 90% of free software uses autohell I guess it might be >not >> >so ugly :) >> >> That's the Microsoft Windows argument: "Seei

Re: [DNG] For all you automounter programmers

2016-04-27 Thread Simon Walter
On 04/28/2016 09:28 AM, fsmithred wrote: You could get the label from lsblk, do 'pmount label' and it will be mounted at /media/label. Every time you plug in a thumb drive labeled backup, it'll go to the same place. If you unmount the drive, /media/label will no longer exist, so you could even h

Re: [DNG] Beta

2016-04-28 Thread Simon Walter
On 04/29/2016 04:53 AM, p wrote: Thanks for beta :) Yes! Thank you! It's good to see devuan.org now goes to beta.devuan.org. Good stuff. On 04/29/2016 05:24 AM, Ismael L. Donis Garcia wrote: When you will come out devuan jessie v1.0.0-beta_i386_CD.iso? Me too. I need this for visuali

Re: [DNG] Supervision scripts (was Re: OpenRC and Devuan)

2016-05-05 Thread Simon Walter
On 05/05/2016 03:18 AM, Stephanie Daugherty wrote: Process supervision is something I'm very opinionated about. In a number of high availability production environments, its a necessary evil. However, it should *never* be an out of the box default for any network-exposed service, Service fa

Re: [DNG] Supervision scripts

2016-05-05 Thread Simon Walter
On 05/05/2016 11:11 PM, Rainer Weikusat wrote: Simon Walter writes: [...] On 05/05/2016 05:45 AM, Rainer Weikusat wrote: It greatly reduces the number of "low-quality" (or rather, "no quality") bug reports I receive as I don't (usually) get frantic phone calls

Re: [DNG] Supervision scripts

2016-05-06 Thread Simon Walter
On 05/06/2016 08:05 PM, Rainer Weikusat wrote: Simon Walter writes: On 05/05/2016 11:11 PM, Rainer Weikusat wrote: Simon Walter writes: [...] On 05/05/2016 05:45 AM, Rainer Weikusat wrote: It greatly reduces the number of "low-quality" (or rather, "no quality") bug

Re: [DNG] hashtag retarded

2016-05-09 Thread Simon Walter
On May 9, 2016 7:40:50 PM GMT+09:00, Jaromil wrote: > >TL;DR some people find it cozy to stay here, therefore dng will keep >existing, but if you don't like it, there are more options with less >"noise". > > >On Mon, 09 May 2016, Teodoro Santoni wrote: > >> In this mailing list there has been a

Re: [DNG] You might have seen this already...

2016-05-28 Thread Simon Walter
On 05/28/2016 09:55 PM, Rainer Weikusat wrote: This means the leading sentence would be more appropriately worded as "In my opinion, it's actually quite strange that UNIX(*) enables users of the system to run background jobs". Well put! On 05/29/2016 02:48 AM, Steve Litt wrote: I see poette

Re: [DNG] You might have seen this already...

2016-05-28 Thread Simon Walter
On 05/29/2016 03:20 PM, Edward Bartolo wrote: After all, it is money that counts. I am of the opinion that it is veracity that counts. I am also of the opinion that there are many who share the previous opinion with me. Therefore not all software will cater to the ignorant. __

Re: [DNG] You might have seen this already...

2016-05-29 Thread Simon Walter
On 05/29/2016 04:13 PM, Edward Bartolo wrote: Hi, The last statement is not an expression of my opinion but sadly what the majority think. Yes, I too hold the belief that 'veracity' is of prime importance. Edward, I am glad you clarified that and I am glad to be in such good company! __

Re: [DNG] What's the correct place for backgrounds, wallpapers etc.

2016-06-01 Thread Simon Walter
On 06/02/2016 12:10 AM, Go Linux wrote: On Wed, 6/1/16, hellekin wrote: Subject: Re: [DNG] What's the correct place for backgrounds, wallpapers etc. To: dng@lists.dyne.org Date: Wednesday, June 1, 2016, 1:23 AM You may also install desktop themes in your user's $HOME: ~/.themes/foo

[DNG] ifconfig vs ip

2016-06-02 Thread Simon Walter
Hi All, I am working on some cdist scripts for setting up some network interfaces. So far I am modifying the /etc/network/interfaces and then bring down and up the interfaces. For a while now /etc/init.d/networking has a warning that it is deprecated. I understand why. So I issue: # ip address fl

Re: [DNG] Devuan Top100 on DistroWatch

2016-06-02 Thread Simon Walter
On 06/03/2016 01:55 AM, KatolaZ wrote: > On Thu, Jun 02, 2016 at 06:27:43PM +0200, Jaromil wrote: >> On Thu, 02 Jun 2016, Joel Roth wrote: >> >>> Actually, the news doesn't even have to be good. There's nothing >>> like an engineered controversy full of flames, to gain interest of >>> the press. >>

Re: [DNG] SoylentNews discussion

2016-06-02 Thread Simon Walter
On 06/03/2016 06:45 AM, Jaromil wrote: > however this is all abstract speculation now. I'm not even sure we'll > make such a big change in testing. most people and organizations > switching to Devuan today (me included) are in need of a system that > does not change their workflow arbitrarily. On

Re: [DNG] ifconfig vs ip

2016-06-03 Thread Simon Walter
On 06/03/2016 04:43 PM, Adam Borowski wrote: > On Fri, Jun 03, 2016 at 08:56:50AM +0900, Simon Walter wrote: >> I am working on some cdist scripts for setting up some network interfaces. >> >> So far I am modifying the /etc/network/interfaces and then bring down >> a

Re: [DNG] ifconfig vs ip

2016-06-03 Thread Simon Walter
On 06/03/2016 11:23 PM, Rainer Weikusat wrote: This stop-modify-restart is a bit coarse-grained and it's also possible to do this manually without 'interface downtime' but there's no general interface for that: The sequence of commands will depend on both the running configuration and the desir

Re: [DNG] Init compatibility

2016-06-04 Thread Simon Walter
On 06/04/2016 04:27 PM, Steve Litt wrote: I always feel a lot better when I can singlehandedly fix what goes wrong with my possessions. Here here! Give this man a beer! I usually use both hands, but I do know what you mean. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@

Re: [DNG] man init

2016-06-05 Thread Simon Walter
On 06/04/2016 09:39 PM, Didier Kryn wrote: Le 04/06/2016 14:00, Nate Bargmann a écrit : * On 2016 04 Jun 04:52 -0500, Jaromil wrote: On Fri, 03 Jun 2016, Joel Roth wrote: My system is devuan/jessie, upgraded from debian. It's interesting that 'man init' brings up the systemd man page. stran

Re: [DNG] ifconfig vs ip

2016-06-05 Thread Simon Walter
On 06/05/2016 12:16 AM, Rainer Weikusat wrote: Simon Walter writes: [...] I am adding containers (LXC) and virtual network to the box, I think I will add an tap and bridge interface to an /etc/network/interface.d/ file. If I use something like: auto br0 iface br0 inet static pre-up ip

Re: [DNG] ifconfig vs ip

2016-06-06 Thread Simon Walter
On 06/06/2016 08:48 PM, Rainer Weikusat wrote: Simon Walter writes: On 06/05/2016 12:16 AM, Rainer Weikusat wrote: Simon Walter writes: [...] I am adding containers (LXC) and virtual network to the box, I think I will add an tap and bridge interface to an /etc/network/interface.d/ file

Re: [DNG] ifconfig vs ip

2016-06-06 Thread Simon Walter
Adam, Rainer, Simon, Thanks guys. I thought I knew what I was doing, but now I think I might be able to execute this better with all of your advice. Cheers, Simon ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/

Re: [DNG] resolved

2016-06-06 Thread Simon Walter
On 06/07/2016 05:45 AM, Jim Murphy wrote: On Mon, Jun 6, 2016 at 2:23 PM, Klaus Hartnegg wrote: All programmers please read this, and treat it as a list of things not to do. https://lists.dns-oarc.net/pipermail/dns-operations/2016-June/014964.html Systemd manages to shoot itself in the foot,

Re: [DNG] devuan installer and overheating

2016-06-06 Thread Simon Walter
On 06/07/2016 02:45 PM, emnin...@riseup.net wrote: Finally i succeeded in installing a devuan ascii into qemu (running on an archlinux openrc system). And here too, i noticed that the debian installer is somehow "extreme" in using ressources. Note this is *NOT* an amd graphics based machine but

Re: [DNG] How to acknowledge ported version of Open Source program?

2016-06-06 Thread Simon Walter
On 06/07/2016 02:51 PM, Hughe Chung wrote: I've been porting an Open Source program to Python 3.4 for my personal use. The original source code written by C language in 2005 has MIT license. ... I'm planning to release it under GPLv3 soon. I will definitely acknowledge original author on the

Re: [DNG] resolved

2016-06-06 Thread Simon Walter
On 06/07/2016 03:47 PM, Jaromil wrote: sorry for abstracting the topic, but I definitely see a pattern in many contexts. I could bring forward more arguments on why this happens in the technology industry at a time in which material production techniques reached an innovation peak after 2 decad

Re: [DNG] resolved

2016-06-07 Thread Simon Walter
On 06/07/2016 06:59 PM, Simon Hobson wrote: Steve Litt wrote: I'm all for corporations making money. I get paid, why shouldn't they? Indeed. I find it "interesting" to hear some people suggesting they shouldn't have to pay for anything - and think that if anyone suggested they shouldn't get

Re: [DNG] devuan installer and overheating

2016-06-07 Thread Simon Walter
On 06/07/2016 07:38 PM, emnin...@riseup.net wrote: Am Tue, 07 Jun 2016 08:33:08 + schrieb Simon Walter : I have not noticed this. What are the models of your notebook computers? You could do everyone a favour and debug it a little. Do you know which process was spinning the CPU? a

Re: [DNG] devuan installer and overheating

2016-06-07 Thread Simon Walter
On 06/08/2016 12:15 PM, Simon Walter wrote: On 06/07/2016 07:38 PM, emnin...@riseup.net wrote: Am Tue, 07 Jun 2016 08:33:08 + schrieb Simon Walter : I have not noticed this. What are the models of your notebook computers? You could do everyone a favour and debug it a little. Do you know

Re: [DNG] How to acknowledge ported version of Open Source program?

2016-06-07 Thread Simon Walter
On 06/07/2016 09:35 PM, Arnt Karlsen wrote: On Tue, 7 Jun 2016 15:31:31 +0900, Simon wrote in message <57566a43.4050...@gikaku.com>: On 06/07/2016 02:51 PM, Hughe Chung wrote: I've been porting an Open Source program to Python 3.4 for my personal use. The original source code written by C la

Re: [DNG] Killing background processes on logout [was Re: resolved]

2016-06-08 Thread Simon Walter
On 06/08/2016 07:49 PM, KatolaZ wrote: [sorry for the long reply] Very well put. Killing all the processes at logout should be easily doable using cgroups (which existed much before Poettering got his bachelor degree), and is indeed easily doable with screen, nohup, and hundred of similar am

Re: [DNG] Killing background processes on logout [was Re: resolved]

2016-06-08 Thread Simon Walter
On 06/09/2016 07:07 AM, Dan Purgert wrote: Didier Kryn wrote: [snip] I cite: "Systemd and cgroup developers are working together to turn systemd into a global cgroup manager that creates higher-level control knobs and prevents direct access to the kernel. Many Systemd changes are already r

Re: [DNG] Killing background processes on logout [was Re: resolved]

2016-06-08 Thread Simon Walter
linuxvoice.com/interview-lennart-poettering It's an old article, but as I read, I realized how much I disagree with Lennart. TBH, he sounds like an Apple fan. Now we get controversial, because those who like to feel smart, yet don't know much, feel empowered by AI. Those who don't feel smart,

Re: [DNG] ifconfig vs ip

2016-06-08 Thread Simon Walter
Hi everyone, After some testing, I have a question about an option in /etc/default/shorewall: wait_interface If I add the bridge interface to that line, shorewall will not start unless a container is brought up. I suppose that is why I was thinking of bridging the bridge inerface with a tap i

Re: [DNG] ifconfig vs ip

2016-06-09 Thread Simon Walter
Indeed. And if I was really paranoid, I might use something other than LXC, since other technologies isolate even more. Though, I might put the firewall in it's own container even if just for the sake of modularity/maintenance. On 06/10/2016 08:06 AM, Greg Olsen wrote: > On 2016-06-09 02:50,

[DNG] LXC template for Devuan

2016-06-09 Thread Simon Walter
Hi all, I am wondering if it is a good idea to submit a modified version of the debian template to the upstream LXC project. I am not sure who wrote those scripts. It seems like that is part of LXC source. So I am guessing it has nothing to do with the Debian LXC package maintainer. Also,

Re: [DNG] LXC template for Devuan

2016-06-09 Thread Simon Walter
(A little update) What I did was: cp /usr/share/lxc/templates/lxc-debian /usr/share/lxc/templates/lxc-devuan cp /usr/share/lxc/config/debian.common.conf /usr/share/lxc/config/devuan.common.conf cp /usr/share/lxc/config/debian.userns.conf /usr/share/lxc/config/devuan.userns.conf I don't know i

Re: [DNG] ifconfig vs ip

2016-06-10 Thread Simon Walter
On 06/10/2016 03:55 PM, Greg Olsen wrote: On 2016-06-10 06:34, Greg Olsen wrote: [snip] > The only side-effect are the extra messages during ifup with > "bridge_ports none": > > iface testbr1 inet static > bridge_ports none > address 10.91.0.1 > netmask 255.25

Re: [DNG] LXC template for Devuan

2016-06-10 Thread Simon Walter
On 06/10/2016 05:11 PM, KatolaZ wrote: On Fri, Jun 10, 2016 at 12:41:36PM +0900, Simon Walter wrote: Hi all, I am wondering if it is a good idea to submit a modified version of the debian template to the upstream LXC project. I am not sure who wrote those scripts. It seems like that is part

Re: [DNG] LXC template for Devuan

2016-06-10 Thread Simon Walter
On 06/10/2016 05:35 PM, Simon Walter wrote: On 06/10/2016 05:11 PM, KatolaZ wrote: On Fri, Jun 10, 2016 at 12:41:36PM +0900, Simon Walter wrote: Hi all, I am wondering if it is a good idea to submit a modified version of the debian template to the upstream LXC project. I am not sure who

Re: [DNG] LXC template for Devuan

2016-06-10 Thread Simon Walter
On 06/10/2016 06:16 PM, Jaromil wrote: On Fri, 10 Jun 2016, Simon Walter wrote: I will give the templates a go now. thanks! I am going to try Greg's template on the BETA release. My simple edit on the alpha4 worked fine, but Greg's templates didn't work as well. So I am t

Re: [DNG] LXC template for Devuan

2016-06-12 Thread Simon Walter
On 06/10/2016 10:39 PM, Greg Olsen wrote: On 2016-06-10 08:59, Simon Walter wrote: [snip] > > I will give the templates a go now. I had some issues: perl: warning: Setting locale failed. perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings: LANGUAGE = "en_US:en"

[DNG] Devuan on Android

2016-06-13 Thread Simon Walter
Hi all, I want to report that I've installed Devuan on a "rooted" Android device using DebKit. All I did was: 1. Change the package mirror to: auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged 2. After the debootstrap process is complete and under the chroot install the devuan-keyring package. I tried to use s

Re: [DNG] LXC template for Devuan

2016-06-13 Thread Simon Walter
On 06/14/2016 09:26 AM, Greg Olsen wrote: On 2016-06-13 01:28, Simon Walter wrote: [snip] > > This might be a bit surprising but I actually wrote lxc-devuan with > > *non-Devuan* OS's in mind. To not discourage people from running Devuan, > > it automatically

Re: [DNG] LXC template for Devuan

2016-06-14 Thread Simon Walter
Hi Greg, I've read had a look and a test. Please see my ramblings below. I am in no hurry. So please take your time. ;) On 06/14/2016 10:02 AM, Greg Olsen wrote: On 2016-06-14 00:39, Simon Walter wrote: > Well, maybe I didn't say it correctly. Is there already a devuan-keyri

Re: [DNG] LXC template for Devuan

2016-06-14 Thread Simon Walter
On 06/15/2016 10:26 AM, Greg Olsen wrote: On 2016-06-14 09:22, Simon Walter wrote: > I think that maybe you read my email too fast. So I will try to be verbose. Hi Simon, If I misread then I apologize. No need to! ... > > Also I notice gcc-4.8-base is being removed towards t

Re: [DNG] Installer Devuan Jessie 1.0 fails

2016-06-15 Thread Simon Walter
On 06/15/2016 06:21 PM, emnin...@riseup.net wrote: ... But if so: Shouldn't we investigate the installer? I mean, it's not really user friendly to have an installer subject to that kind of errors. And in my experience there are even other problems like the overheating problem for amd graphics ba

Re: [DNG] cosmetic installer issues

2016-06-15 Thread Simon Walter
On 06/15/2016 08:16 PM, richard lucassen wrote: ... 1) Wishlist: a real PXE installer like Debian is providing. Just an intrd.gz and a vmlinuz that will guide you through the install process. No need for USB sticks or CD drives. Running a PXE installer together with an apt-cacher-ng saves time

Re: [DNG] Installer Devuan Jessie 1.0 fails

2016-06-15 Thread Simon Walter
On 06/15/2016 08:52 PM, emnin...@riseup.net wrote: We are not so spoiled that we need to use a mouse for everything, are we? Simon My problem (the failure while installing the base system) happens in both, the graphical and the text mode installer. I'd suspect there's something wrong with th

Re: [DNG] LXC template for Devuan

2016-06-18 Thread Simon Walter
On 06/18/2016 10:31 AM, Greg Olsen wrote: ... In the meantime, I added Simon Walter as a Developer for lxc-devuan. Simon, As a developer you can push directly to the main development branch. I added a "draft" Contribution guide, and I'll be following the same process myself as

Re: [DNG] LXC template for Devuan

2016-06-20 Thread Simon Walter
e completely from scratch (suggestions are welcome, please). Disable --no-check-gpg as the fallback? No votes against this: +1 Simon Walter +1 Greg Olsen So when convenient, I may go ahead and disable that. Hi Greg, I've added a branch called add-netconf, which you have probably se

Re: [DNG] [OT] [Re: Studying C as told. (For help)

2016-06-21 Thread Simon Walter
On 06/21/2016 05:28 PM, KatolaZ wrote: On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 at 08:22:41AM +0200, Edward Bartolo wrote: [cut] I studied 'and' and 'or' boolean operators back when I studied Delphi Pascal. I am embarrassed to have written such a stupid thing. It must be due to the fact I wrote the email just

Re: [DNG] [OT] [Re: Studying C as told. (For help)

2016-06-21 Thread Simon Walter
On 06/21/2016 06:09 PM, KatolaZ wrote: On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 at 05:47:59PM +0900, Simon Walter wrote: [cut] Be careful, because conditional expressions in C are subject to "short-circuiting", meaning that only the minimum number of expressions sufficient to determine the value of

Re: [DNG] Studying C as told. (For help)

2016-06-23 Thread Simon Walter
On 06/23/2016 11:26 AM, Adam Borowski wrote: ... [1]. Actually, the English alphabet had more letters: þ, ð, ƿ[2] and ȝ, but they got dropped as early printing presses imported from Germany lacked these characters. Before the technology was copied and fonts could be manufactured domestically, th

Re: [DNG] some fun

2016-06-29 Thread Simon Walter
On 06/29/2016 08:14 PM, emnin...@riseup.net wrote: Since we're so serious may be some fun is nice, making life easier ... :) I stumbled upon this by chance and i liked it a lot (I post the link although i think probably many of you know it already): http://systemd-free.org/img/systemd-can.jpg

Re: [DNG] UPdate error

2016-07-07 Thread Simon Walter
On 07/07/2016 08:02 AM, Paweł Cholewiński wrote: Hi, during "apt-get update" error appear "Error http://auto.mirror.devuan.org jessie-security/main amd64 Packages Undetermined Error". When I looked at "http://auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged/dists/jessie-security/"; address has changed to "http://am

Re: [DNG] UPdate error

2016-07-07 Thread Simon Walter
On 07/08/2016 08:13 AM, Daniel Reurich wrote: On 08/07/16 03:28, Jaromil wrote: On Thu, 07 Jul 2016, hellekin wrote: On 07/06/2016 11:02 PM, Paweł Cholewiński wrote: Hi, during "apt-get update" error appear "Error http://auto.mirror.devuan.org jessie-security/main amd64 Packages Undetermined

Re: [DNG] systemd==bad

2016-07-08 Thread Simon Walter
On 07/08/2016 09:23 AM, Hughe Chung wrote: Who was the organizer of the conference? How they allowed frequent interruption by the idiot during the presentation? It was a real video footage. A drunken idiot went to the stage at the end of presentation carrying a bear bottle on one hand. I poste

Re: [DNG] systemd==bad

2016-07-08 Thread Simon Walter
On 07/08/2016 05:01 PM, KatolaZ wrote: On Fri, Jul 08, 2016 at 04:34:27PM +0900, Simon Walter wrote: On 07/08/2016 09:23 AM, Hughe Chung wrote: Who was the organizer of the conference? How they allowed frequent interruption by the idiot during the presentation? It was a real video footage

[DNG] devuan.org OK?

2016-07-10 Thread Simon Walter
Is there anything going on with devuan.org domain name? Did I miss an announcement of down time? Kind regards, Simon ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [DNG] devuan.org OK?

2016-07-10 Thread Simon Walter
Oh... My ISP is . Thanks for the heads up. Simon On 07/11/2016 10:13 AM, Ozi Traveller wrote: It's ok here. Ozi On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 10:43 AM, Simon Walter mailto:si...@gikaku.com>> wrote: Is there anything going on with devuan.org <http://devuan.org> domain

Re: [DNG] problem with devuan merged repositories

2016-07-11 Thread Simon Walter
On 07/11/2016 04:51 PM, emnin...@riseup.net wrote: When i do `apt-get update` i get the following error msgs: Err:12 http://de.mirror.devuan.org/merged ascii InRelease Temporary failure resolving 'de.mirror.devuan.org' Err:13 http://de.mirror.devuan.org/merged ascii-security InRelease

Re: [DNG] Can't connect to Amprolla?

2016-07-11 Thread Simon Walter
On 07/12/2016 05:20 AM, Linux O'Beardly wrote: Alright, the Amprolla host is back up. Apparently, we had a power outage and it shutdown. Obviously, being out of town, I wasn't there to power it back up. Let me know if you all have any issues. Thank you! __

Re: [DNG] [Kali Linux 0003165]: Find a way to disable most services by default with systemd

2016-07-11 Thread Simon Walter
On 07/12/2016 06:06 AM, Jaromil wrote: Mostly for historical reasons, I'm posting here below the trace of a Kali Linux bug that has just been deleted from their tracker. Forensic distros are useful for many reasons. When minimal they can be also more reliable, I guess most people here convenes.

Re: [DNG] problem with devuan merged repositories

2016-07-11 Thread Simon Walter
On 07/12/2016 10:05 AM, Brian Nash wrote: Most of the past issues resolving devuan.org appear to be caused by ISPs. Not sure if there are "political" reasons for the failures, or if the registrar has anything to do with it. If you wait a while (maybe days), it will start working again. If you'

Re: [DNG] [Kali Linux 0003165]: Find a way to disable most services by default with systemd

2016-07-12 Thread Simon Walter
On 07/12/2016 08:45 PM, vmlinux wrote: There was a time when this sort of nonsense was heavily frowned upon. i suspect what has happened is that the user base has changed. it's difficult to learn the ropes from the cli so GUI allows the novice to do things quickly because the only skill needed

Re: [DNG] Why Debian 8 Pinning is (or isn't) pointless

2016-07-14 Thread Simon Walter
On 07/14/2016 05:56 AM, Rick Moen wrote: Quoting KatolaZ (kato...@freaknet.org): I personally don't see the reason for such a reaction on your side Rick (BTW, welcome here :)), but I am sure I am missing something. I personally believe that all the work to avoid and contain systemd and other no

Re: [DNG] C Obfuscated code: a virtue or a vice?

2016-07-14 Thread Simon Walter
On 07/15/2016 02:23 PM, Edward Bartolo wrote: Hi, The International Obfuscated C Code Contest, IOCCC was started by the "masters" and "pioneers" in C. This is a "competition" for those who take pride in compressing code to the point of making it practically unreadable. The following is a progr

[DNG] debmon.org

2016-07-15 Thread Simon Walter
Has anyone had experience with the packages on debmon.org? I want to use icingaweb2. Any tips or gotchas with their repos? It looks like icingaweb2 is also in sid. Not sure which is more recent. icinga-web (1) is just a "web app". So I may just download it from icinga's web site. Simon __

[DNG] Help needed debugging MySQL install

2016-07-16 Thread Simon Walter
Hi everyone, I am having trouble installing mysql-server inside a container (lxc). I have the same problem with a fresh Jessie install. so it doesn't seem specific to Devuan. Basic description of problem: After unpacking and setting up the packages, mysql is stopped and the root use password

Re: [DNG] Help needed debugging MySQL install

2016-07-17 Thread Simon Walter
On 07/17/2016 01:01 PM, Simon Walter wrote: Hi everyone, I am having trouble installing mysql-server inside a container (lxc). I have the same problem with a fresh Jessie install. so it doesn't seem specific to Devuan. Basic description of problem: After unpacking and setting up the pac

Re: [DNG] Help needed debugging MySQL install

2016-07-17 Thread Simon Walter
On 07/18/2016 08:15 AM, Rick Moen wrote: Quoting aitor_czr (aitor_...@gnuinos.org): > The substitute for MySQL is MariaDB :) What you said. ;-> MariaDB is a 100% compatible workalike (binary drop-in replacement). https://mariadb.com/kb/en/mariadb/mariadb-vs-mysql-compatibility/ Same instal

Re: [DNG] Larcenous mail threads.

2016-07-17 Thread Simon Walter
On 07/18/2016 02:11 AM, Didier Kryn wrote: Le 15/07/2016 06:43, Edward Bartolo a écrit : Yes, I refrain from writing C obfuscated code. +1 It doesn't make sense with today's powerful computers not to write readable code, that is why I make an effort to write readable code. I would

Re: [DNG] Inform DNG users their email has been moved.

2016-07-17 Thread Simon Walter
On 07/18/2016 01:53 AM, Edward Bartolo wrote: Hi, I would like to suggest DNG mail moderators/admins to consider informing mail senders that their mail has been moved. Other email providers like Google always duly informs its users when their email fails to reach its destination and this notwith

Re: [DNG] Help needed debugging MySQL install

2016-07-18 Thread Simon Walter
lp. It's been a while. And due to the evidence of my handwriting I'm afraid I appear to have been terribly, terribly, drunk. Cheers Matt Sent from my iPhone On 18 Jul 2016, at 01:36, Simon Walter mailto:si...@gikaku.com>> wrote: On 07/18/2016 08:15 AM, Rick Moen w

Re: [DNG] Larcenous mail threads.

2016-07-18 Thread Simon Walter
On 07/18/2016 11:06 PM, Hendrik Boom wrote: On Mon, Jul 18, 2016 at 08:16:03AM +0200, Edward Bartolo wrote: Hi, Simon Walker wrote: << Can you explain how a computer works to a child or perhaps a rubber duck? You place a child at the same level as a rubber duck?! A child can understand p

Re: [DNG] F1 and special usernames on the login screen

2016-07-18 Thread Simon Walter
On 07/19/2016 10:38 AM, Brad Campbell wrote: On 19/07/16 00:37, Steve Litt wrote: SPECIAL USERNAMES For instance, to reboot the computer from the login screen, type in the username "reboot" (without the quotes), then when asked for the password put the root password, and it reboots. ... This

Re: [DNG] F1 and special usernames on the login screen

2016-07-18 Thread Simon Walter
On 07/19/2016 11:53 AM, Adam Borowski wrote: ... All that talk about multiseat being important or even relevant today is IMO bullshit. ... Oh the insolence. Amazing. "You're holding it wrong" comes to mind. There is this guy named Lennart who might agree with you. ___

[DNG] Flexible software (Was: F1 and special usernames on the login screen)

2016-07-19 Thread Simon Walter
On 07/19/2016 04:17 PM, Arnt Gulbrandsen wrote: > Simon Walter writes: >> Oh the insolence. Amazing. "You're holding it wrong" comes to mind. >> There is this guy named Lennart who might agree with you. > > Quite likely he might, he's not stupid a

Re: [DNG] F1 and special usernames on the login screen

2016-07-19 Thread Simon Walter
On 07/19/2016 05:29 PM, Rick Moen wrote: Quoting Arnt Gulbrandsen (a...@gulbrandsen.priv.no): Simon Walter writes: Oh the insolence. Amazing. "You're holding it wrong" comes to mind. There is this guy named Lennart who might agree with you. Quite likely he might, he's

Re: [DNG] Flexible software (Was: F1 and special usernames on the login screen)

2016-07-21 Thread Simon Walter
On 07/20/2016 05:19 AM, Tomasz Torcz wrote: On Tue, Jul 19, 2016 at 09:57:41PM +0200, Jaromil wrote: On Tue, 19 Jul 2016, Simon Walter wrote: Since this is Devuan (something about veteran *unix* admins, and coming from Debian - the *universal* OS), I would not have expected Devuan's fan

Re: [DNG] F1 and special usernames on the login screen

2016-07-21 Thread Simon Walter
On 07/22/2016 01:56 PM, Didier Kryn wrote: Le 21/07/2016 14:50, Arnt Gulbrandsen a écrit : Didier Kryn writes: I don't reply to your questions since Florian did :-) but I, myself, have two questions: - Still don't know what key you are talking of; never seen that on a keyboard. -

[DNG] openvpn systemd

2016-07-22 Thread Simon Walter
It's nothing serious. I just noticed this and though to myself, "Why all the trouble? What a bother!" /etc/default/openvpn: # This is the configuration file for /etc/init.d/openvpn # # Start only these VPNs automatically via init script. # Allowed values are "all", "none" or space separated lis

Re: [DNG] Wirth's law

2016-07-23 Thread Simon Walter
On 07/23/2016 05:42 PM, Didier Kryn wrote: Le 22/07/2016 18:21, Brian Nash a écrit : For example, when I discovered multithreading, all my programs used it in some way, even when it was unnecessary. I sometimes use multithreading, but never mutexes. Mutex can be harmless if there's only one. O

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