# Devuan News Issue LX
__Volume 03, Week 1, Devuan Week 60__
Released 12016/1/04
https://git.devuan.org/devuan-editors/devuan-news/wikis/past-issues/volume-03/issue-060
## Editorial
Happy new year from the Devuan news team!
In case you wondered, yes Devuan is alive and kicking. Devuan Weekly
This may be somewhat of a long shot as it was a while ago, but I wondered if
anyone still has what they mailed me when I asked for translations before.
If so please could you mail me a fresh copy of that, except the French and
Polish pages as I still have those.
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That's good news.
I find the Debian manuals are not very easy to understand, for one reason or
another.
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> Original Message
> Subject: Re: [DNG] repackaging tutorial
> Local Time: January 9, 2018 1:28 PM
> UTC Time: J
This might help you for that:
https://talk.devuan.org/t/os-documentation-how-to-package-for-devuan/568/14
It's an older post, but if you omit the "Using gitlab" part and clone a debian
repository directly, it shows some of the basics of how to remove systemd and
build the package locally. See a
mware yet. The result is low clock
speeds on the graphics card, and similar issues to what you're having.
Try with the official NVIDIA drivers and see what happens.
https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers
Thanks,
chillfan
>I have some new hardware that locks up a lot with Asci
Very nice and well done, the new installer presets leave us spoilt for choice..
openrc and a bunch of desktops to choose from.. great stuff.
chillfan
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verify your work or
provide improvements, you can reply to this topic as well.
Many thanks,
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has a stable release.
This would be enough to start off a section for each language with their own
index pages.
Thanks,
chillfan
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give
appropriate credit.
Much appreciated,
chillfan
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On February 18, 2018 10:11 AM, aitor_czr wrote:
>
>Hi chillfan,
>
>On 17/02/18 15:36, Chillfan wrote:
>
>>As an afterthought..
>>
>>It's roughly these pages are i
That would be welcome, thank you.
When you are done please send me an attachment off list, and I will work on
adding that.
Thanks,
chillfan
> Hi,
>
> I would like to contribute translations for the Greek language.
> While getting myself organized and more familiar with th
It turns out the ASCII migration page is still correct, so it's available to
translate.
https://git.devuan.org/dev1fanboy/Upgrade-Install-Devuan/blob/master/migrate-to-ascii.md
Thanks,
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ll let everyone know when this is done,
so we can have readable index pages in each language.
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Checking today Devuan hit #7 on distrowatch with > 1000 hits.
Some of those may be due to the news of the internal beta, but I suspect that's
a smaller part of it given the download stats.
Pretty encouraging so far :)
Cheers,
chillfan
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On Feb
al network configuration page. I'll
also create update the website in a moment and make the merge request.
Please would translators hold off on those pages for now or update them if
you've already done the work. Sorry for the inconvenience.
Thanks,
chillfan
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more testing and improving on ascii migrations and
network configuration.
Thanks,
chillfan
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On February 27, 2018 9:53 AM, J. Fahrner j...@fahrner.name wrote:
> Am 2018-02-27 10:48, schrieb KatolaZ:
>
> > sorry for pestering you, but by reading the
still doing something.
Also I haven't heard of Novena/Talos until now despite being on the lookout so
you may have a point there. Afaict it's only crowd funding or pre order so far,
what's the TLDR? Any others around?
Thanks,
chillfan
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On
> allowed to fraudulently market their products at libreplanet, they avoid
>
> the question as if I never asked it whilst answering my other questions.
>
> What a shame - blobbed firmware is not "open source firmware" and the
>
> "LibreM" is NOT libre
One way to remove it all would be:
apt-get purge desktop-base
Or don't install it to begin with.
Try the xfce gradient wallpaper, which is blue. Or..
apt-get install gimp
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On March 9, 2018 8:34 AM, Edward Bartolo edb...@gmail.com wrote:
> Dear All,
>
> I wou
ood choice. Otherwise a middle of the ground stop-gap would be coreboot with
microcode updates (provided the cost isn't excessive).
On PureOS, I spoke a little soon about it using systemd. It's Debian based, so
it might well be but I haven't checked
I think the best way would be to see: https://git.devuan.org/sdk/arm-sdk/ and
open an issue about it there.
I'm also opening a couple of issues about the beaglebone black there having
noticed some problems.
Thanks,
chillfan
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On March 10, 2018 11:
s to modify the
debootstrap script.
Assuming you know how to do that you can only build images when using the
version of vmdebootstrap in Jessie. Trying this with the ascii version fails
because vmdebootstrap expects systemd to be available for network configuration.
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Seems to me you're using this as an opportunity to rail on someone. This isn't
helpful or constructive.
Thanks,
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> still one of golinux's creations.
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out
dbus but is built with it anyway.
The problem I have with dbus is it's exactly the same as systemd in model. It
wants to take over the whole system. Browser, file manager, removable disks,
printer, instant messenger, all plug into dbus and if not then they at least
force support li
appropriate. I guess that's why you are compiling your own
software there. My answer to that is if they declare war on blobs and stop
trying to "be like linux" they'll have a fine OS there.
lol @ about the browser taking longer to compile.. I have no doubt you didn'
Quote "I would like to find out what people who are using init, or are
considering using it, want from their init software."
That's an easy one for me. No new features, just fixes and cleanups. Maybe
slightly simpler scripting and less hard dependencies would go on my wishlist,
that's about it.
sources,
and was able to disable dbus and pulse support very easily but sadly my builds
were very unstable.
Thanks,
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On March 27, 2018 10:43 PM, taii...@gmx.com wrote:
> "Oh but you can opt-out"
>
> Assuming you even know abou
ng EME altogether is icecat. I think a tweaked build
of that would be interesting.
Thanks,
chillfan
On March 29, 2018 4:42 PM, Jaromil wrote:
> hi Chillfan,
>
> On Thu, 29 Mar 2018, Chillfan wrote:
>
> > I agree that a fork is needed, but I think this would be a whole lot
I believe so as well, but if I remember the build dependencies given in Steve
Pussers sources require and fetch (apt-get build-dep) gcc-4.9 so it may be
right that 4.9 is needed, or it should be built on Jessie. That might be why I
was having issues with stability.
Thanks,
chillfan
That's interesting. Perhaps it was best I didn't get palemoon building
correctly, I was under the impression they had changed to a more friendly
approach with their official branding.
So that would make Palemoon builds even more difficult there.
Thanks,
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d stop rebasing most of their work on firefox and syncing up with their
codebase. That and starting a project with a clear goal to protect user freedom
and privacy.
Thanks,
chillfan
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On March 31, 2018 2:52 AM, Steve Litt wrote:
[quote]
> But to me, ven
k out best.
Thanks,
chillfan
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On March 31, 2018 5:14 PM, Rick Moen wrote:
> Quoting chillfan (chill...@protonmail.com):
>
> > I think it was important to point this situation out. If distributing
> >
> > free software can pot
oking
for something bigger. Depends on your requirements.
Thanks,
chillfan
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On April 10, 2018 6:24 AM, Jimmy Johnson wrote:
> Hey Guys, first my thanks to Timothy who had the foresight to start this
>
> project and stay with it. Timothy Pearson yo
What's the TLDR on TDE? Is it less encumbered with systemd than KDE/Plasma?
Thanks,
chillfan
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On April 10, 2018 6:24 AM, Jimmy Johnson wrote:
> Hey Guys, first my thanks to Timothy who had the foresight to start this
>
> project and stay wi
ASUS chromebook c201 (it's coreboot and optionally
libreboot if you install it).
There is also devsus by dimkr which is a libre Devuan build script for the c201:
https://notabug.org/dimkr/devsus but currently pending a merge request to fix
some issues so see: https://notabug.org/chill
PS:
I'm not sure how you would install to the internal storage for some of those
devices, I was unable to do this on c201 yet so it might be tricky.
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Great, thanks for the news.
I'm hoping Debian will do a full rebuild to compile everything with reptoline,
as this seems a lot better to me than just mitigating when a specific problem
is found.
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On April 22, 2018 8:23 PM, Jimmy Johnson wrote:
> 4.9.0-0.bpo.6
."
I'm no expert in this, but it would seem better to me if they did rebuild.
Thanks,
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ait and see
if they can be more flexible there (for however long it takes).
Time to hold them all accountable I think.
Cheers,
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On May 3, 2018 8:22 PM, Alessandro Selli wrote:
> https://www.reuters.com/article/us-cyber-intel/next-generation-
I noticed this hasn't come up yet.
https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/05/01/sponsored_links_come_to_firefox/
So, it would look like people have only until ESR changes then they'll be stuck
with that problem, at least for the US builds unless they can do it for
everyone.
Cheers,
oot, I'll still get hit
with a reasonable portion of those bugs but at least not as many as on intel.
Cheers,
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> I've been trying that for a while now, but my server is starting to
>
> fail.
>
> It may not be an option unless I want to get out of computing
&
I would agree that I don't want to bash them, I think it's better to just
explain that a blob still exists in those products and the problems with the
modems.
Cheers,
chillfan
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On May 4, 2018 10:52 PM, Daniel Abrecht wrote:
> -BEGIN PGP S
ARM is an OK move if it can meet the performance needs of what it
replaces.
Cheers,
chillfan
> My issue with purism isn't their selling products not 100% free it is
>
> their dishonest marketing that equates a computer with an entirely
>
> blobbed hardware initiation
I think another issue is that pointing the finger at facebook is a good cover
for implementing features users would otherwise object to and strongly.
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l stuff.
Yes, I think we wouldn't need powerful cpus for most every day usages then.
Cheers,
chillfan
> However, like the people who
>
> join facebook, your actions have a network effect - making it
>
> harder for those who want to do the right thing
ce.
Some of us have started working on documenting the alternatives here:
https://friendsofdevuan.org/doku.php/community:alternative_browsers
My favourites so far are uzbl, and netsurf.. and anything that doesn't require
a login works well with lynx or w3m.
Cheers,
chillfan
Afaik openrc is compatible with the init scripts used by all packages.
Installing it and rebooting should be enough to start using openrc. It worked
OK for me when I tested it.
This is probably possible on Jessie as well but I haven't tested that.
Cheers,
chillfan
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;s a
very different OS.
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thing else then just pointing out the troubles
they have.
The less systemd-free distros we have, the more upstream is going to be pushed
into non optional systemd support.
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ou'll be fine there.
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On July 8, 2018 4:24 AM, terryc ter...@woa.com.au wrote:
> As per subject, is anyone sucessfully using PlayOnLinux?
> My POl installation on Debian wheezy/stretch was stuffed due to
> graphics related problems
.
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Hah. If you have salt a butter, then yes.
Personally feel like they can fight over cloud all they want, there are so many
storage solutions available.
Cheers,
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On Tuesday, October 30, 2018 4:00 PM, wrote:
> Obviously this has to have been planned
work isn't necessary.
About javascript, I think it would be better for responsible people not to use
it on websites at all or only using it where it's actually needed. It would be
a mess still, but at least it would be manageable.
Cheers,
chillfan
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On T
hould check your bios for helpful settings, and then try
installing firmware in /lib/firmware for your device, like linux-firmware-free
or linux-firmware-nonfree from the repo. Or use a backported kernel.
Cheers,
chillfan
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On Friday, December 7, 2018 11:45 AM, Mich
The contents on github are now slightly behind what we prepared for the website
as the links point to the jessie torrent (I will fix that in the next push
soon). Translations should be in good order aside from that.
Cheers,
chillfan
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On Monday, December 24
I can confirm that I haven't set a reply-to header, but this is just a web
mail. It could be that my webmail provider just doesn't allow me to unset the
header, but I haven't looked that far into it.
Cheers,
chillfan
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On Wednesday, December 2
y, we should provide those instructions.
Whilst we will have more information and documentation for new users, I don't
think we should write Windows guides. I think that would lead us more in the
direction of ubuntu and others who adopted systemd.
Cheers,
chillfan
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think on using
unetbootin.
Cheers,
chillfan
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On Tuesday, January 1, 2019 9:25 PM, info at smallinnovations dot nl
wrote:
> On 01-01-19 22:04, chillfan--- via Dng wrote:
>
> > Validating the images is optional but I think it's useful to tel
unity supports the goal of
simpler living with your OS.
Actually, I think these problems should be solved just not directly in Devuan.
If there comes a time when someone creates a spin specifically for new users,
that would solve all those problems.
Cheers,
chillfan
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I can only agree with that.
My reservations about doing this are mostly been because of our target
audience, and not wanting to exclude the more savvy users.
But there's nothing wrong with doing this in a side project that wouldn't go on
the main website.
Cheers,
chillfan
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l the time."
A configuration worked by luck or was it a bug? Perhaps consulting your daily
horoscope will let you know if your user configurations will work. Apparently
that also happens _all_ the time. I wonder if they mean all other software in
debian or just systemd.
Ch
bles, actually
I'd need a day off and then some to learn it. Before someone thinks it it yes I
know about the conversion tool but that's useless when you know something sucks
and you just don't want it to begin with.
Cheers,
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iptables is to place the script in
/etc/network/if-pre-up.d/iptables and restore the rules from a config file
somewhere in /etc. Maybe the quirk here is ifupdown expects if-pre-up.d scripts
to run succesfully before bringing up the interface.
Cheers,
chillfan
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/usr/sbin/iptables-legacy-restore for now.
Cheers,
chillfan
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On Saturday, February 16, 2019 10:26 AM, wrote:
> Yeah, although the nft wiki seems to suggest it will replace iptables they
> seem to be coexisting at the moment.
>
> The problem with
Imo this is nowhere near a pleasant way to do things for users. It would have
been much better to just provide a separate iptables nft package by default
during the install, as they really haven't given iptables the axe yet.
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On Saturday, February 16, 2019 6:35 PM, Alessandro Selli
wrote:
> On 16/02/19 at 11:26, chillfan--- via Dng wrote:
>
> > And of course I don't need nft
>
> Yes, you do.
>
> For some reason you
l eventually document the upgrade process and any
quirks with it.
Cheers,
chillfan
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On Thursday, February 28, 2019 2:49 PM, Antonio Trkdz.tab via Dng
wrote:
> HI All,
>
> I am actually looking to migrate from Ascii to Beowulf.
> What is the be
That's my two cents on that anyway.
Cheers,
chillfan
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On Friday, March 8, 2019 12:47 PM, Jaromil wrote:
> re all,
>
> any thoughts about this new systemd-made thing that freedesktop
> immediately "standardized" (whatever is their pr
to score some cheap points.
Afaik we are all volunteers, which is different than having people who are
contracted to maintain and develop Devuan. I think some dedicated maintainers
should be put our way before anyone gets uptight about an april fools joke.
Cheers,
chillfan
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ge.
I like the idea of Iceweasel-UXP[1] as a more recent and complete firefox
replacement without DRM, especially if trimmed down a little.
[1]: https://wiki.hyperbola.info/doku.php?id=en:project:iceweasel-uxp
Cheers,
chillfan
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On Friday, April 5, 2019 12:23 PM,
)
Cheers,
chillfan
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On Friday, April 5, 2019 2:19 PM, Andrew McGlashan
wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On 5/4/19 11:28 pm, info at smallinnovations dot nl wrote:
>
> > On 05-04-19 11:16, Simon Hobson wrote:
> >
> > > chillfan wrote:
>
making things a little easier.
Cheers,
chillfan
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On Friday, April 5, 2019 1:13 PM, wrote:
> I like the idea of Iceweasel-UXP[1] as a more recent and complete firefox
> replacement without DRM, especially if trimmed down a little.
>
> [1]: https://wiki
.
The other one that's similar is Palemoon, but it doesn't have WebRTC. Generally
a good thing but sometimes WebRTC is wanted for jitsi.
Cheers,
chillfan
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On Friday, April 5, 2019 3:10 PM, al3xu5 / dotcommon
wrote:
> Il giorno venerdì 05/04/2019 1
It was a slight shame about the audio but I was grateful to have the stream
available to watch what was going on. Very enjoyable and instructive.
I did miss some of the talks yesterday so will look forward to seeing them on
the website.
Cheers,
chillfan
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On
Watched all of the talks now. All very well done, informative and entertaining
and there was plenty to talk about. Pure gold :)
Cheers,
chillfan
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it cannot connect to the daemon.
This is an open issue with debian but I have opened it also as a Devuan bug
since I think it's likely to affect some here who don't bother to run dbus.
Needless to say, I am once again frustrated with dbus the garbage and bug
generator.
Cheers,
c
hat shit going around. If we start arguing over a
joke that landed on april fools, I wonder how long it is until we get COC'd to
death.
Cheers,
chillfan
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On Thursday, April 11, 2019 9:19 AM, KatolaZ wrote:
> Dear D1rs,
>
> the first Devuan Co
least you can use libelogind0 which is a slight relief :)
Cheers,
chillfan
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On Sunday, April 14, 2019 8:59 AM, aitor_czr wrote:
> On 14/4/19 9:55, aitor_czr wrote:
>
> > On 13/4/19 16:34, mett wrote:
> >
> > > While everybody
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