Re: [DNG] raspberry pi 3 -- dependency hell

[J. Fahrner]

Am 2018-01-23 21:32, schrieb J. Fahrner:

But what is xserver-xorg-video-fbturbo? Is that from rpi packages?


You can try adding Debian Multimedia:
https://www.deb-multimedia.org/dists/sid/main/binary-arm64/package/xserver-xorg-video-fbturbo
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Re: [DNG] raspberry pi 3 -- dependency hell

[J. Fahrner]

Am 2018-01-23 19:35, schrieb Hendrik Boom:

To get X working on my Devuanized reespberry pi I need to install
xserver-xorg-video-fbdev and -fbturbo.


Debian Stretch has xserver-xorg-video-fbdev:
https://packages.debian.org/de/stretch/xserver-xorg-video-fbdev

But what is xserver-xorg-video-fbturbo? Is that from rpi packages?


These packages depend on xorg-video-abi-20, which
is provided by xserver-xorg-core 2:1.18.4-2rpi1.


Debian has v23, but no v20.

If the PI needs some special xorg packages which are only available 
through rpi repository, then you cannot mix that with Debian or Devuan.


I use my PIs only for headless server applications, so I cannot help you 
here with Xorg.


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Re: [DNG] raspberry pi 3 -- dependency hell

[KatolaZ]

On Tue, Jan 23, 2018 at 03:10:41PM -0500, Hendrik Boom wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 23, 2018 at 08:03:11PM +, KatolaZ wrote:
> > On Tue, Jan 23, 2018 at 02:36:08PM -0500, Hendrik Boom wrote:
> > 
> > [cut]
> > 
> > > 
> > > That jessie rpi image -- I presume you are talking about a devuan jessie 
> > > rpi image, and not Raspbian's jessie. 
> > >
> > > How do find that Devuan rpi image?  So far I haven't been able to find 
> > > it, and Google seemed not to be helpful a few days ago.
> > 
> > http://files.devuan.org
> > 
> > under devuan_jessie/embedded
> 
> I guess I never thought of Raspbrry pi as being embedded.
> 
> Yes, there they are!  There are two for Raspberry pi 3:  raspi2 and 
> raspi3.  Do I conclude that raspi2 is 32-bit and raspi3 is 64-bit?  Does 
> the raspbrry 3 B even have enough RAM to need to be addressed with a 
> 64-bit address?  Or is it a matter of speed?
> 

if you have an rpi3, you should use the rpi3 which is an arm64.


> And they are .xz files.  Do they need to be decompressed before dd?  Or 
> are they already ready for dd? 
>

decompress and then dd...



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Re: [DNG] raspberry pi 3 -- dependency hell

[Hendrik Boom]

On Tue, Jan 23, 2018 at 08:03:11PM +, KatolaZ wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 23, 2018 at 02:36:08PM -0500, Hendrik Boom wrote:
> 
> [cut]
> 
> > 
> > That jessie rpi image -- I presume you are talking about a devuan jessie 
> > rpi image, and not Raspbian's jessie. 
> >
> > How do find that Devuan rpi image?  So far I haven't been able to find 
> > it, and Google seemed not to be helpful a few days ago.
> 
> http://files.devuan.org
> 
> under devuan_jessie/embedded

I guess I never thought of Raspbrry pi as being embedded.

Yes, there they are!  There are two for Raspberry pi 3:  raspi2 and 
raspi3.  Do I conclude that raspi2 is 32-bit and raspi3 is 64-bit?  Does 
the raspbrry 3 B even have enough RAM to need to be addressed with a 
64-bit address?  Or is it a matter of speed?

And they are .xz files.  Do they need to be decompressed before dd?  Or 
are they already ready for dd? 

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Re: [DNG] raspberry pi 3 -- dependency hell

[KatolaZ]

On Tue, Jan 23, 2018 at 02:36:08PM -0500, Hendrik Boom wrote:

[cut]

> 
> That jessie rpi image -- I presume you are talking about a devuan jessie 
> rpi image, and not Raspbian's jessie. 
>
> How do find that Devuan rpi image?  So far I haven't been able to find 
> it, and Google seemed not to be helpful a few days ago.

http://files.devuan.org

under devuan_jessie/embedded

> 
> And how do I install it?  Do I just dd it to my 32G microsd card on 
> another machine?  Or is there a way to tell NOOBS about it?
> 

Just dd.

HND

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Re: [DNG] raspberry pi 3 -- dependency hell

[Hendrik Boom]

On Tue, Jan 23, 2018 at 07:05:53PM +, KatolaZ wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 23, 2018 at 01:35:06PM -0500, Hendrik Boom wrote:
> > To get X working on my Devuanized reespberry pi I need to install 
> > xserver-xorg-video-fbdev and -fbturbo.
> > 
> > These packages depend on xorg-video-abi-20, which 
> > is provided by xserver-xorg-core 2:1.18.4-2rpi1.
> > 
> > What's installed is xserver-xorg-core 2:1.19.2-1+deb
> >   presumably from devuan's repository.
> > 
> > How do I get it to install an older-looking package?
> > 
> 
> You shouldn't mix repos, and it seems that this is what you are
> doing. In particular, raspbian repos should be enabled only if
> something very specific to rpi is necessary (e.g., a new version of
> firmware), and then disabled again.

Yes, that's what I did, on the advice of another Devuan respbrry pi 
enthusiast on this thread.  It seemed to wok for Jessie, but not for 
ascii.

> 
> [cut]
> 
> > Is there an actual Devuan raspbeery pi release?  How do I install it?
> >  
> 
> You just install the jessie rpi image, and then upgrade to ascii.

That jessie rpi image -- I presume you are talking about a devuan jessie 
rpi image, and not Raspbian's jessie. 

How do find that Devuan rpi image?  So far I haven't been able to find 
it, and Google seemed not to be helpful a few days ago.

And how do I install it?  Do I just dd it to my 32G microsd card on 
another machine?  Or is there a way to tell NOOBS about it?

And above all, is this documented somewhere?

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Re: [DNG] raspberry pi 3 -- dependency hell

[KatolaZ]

On Tue, Jan 23, 2018 at 01:35:06PM -0500, Hendrik Boom wrote:
> To get X working on my Devuanized reespberry pi I need to install 
> xserver-xorg-video-fbdev and -fbturbo.
> 
> These packages depend on xorg-video-abi-20, which 
> is provided by xserver-xorg-core 2:1.18.4-2rpi1.
> 
> What's installed is xserver-xorg-core 2:1.19.2-1+deb
>   presumably from devuan's repository.
> 
> How do I get it to install an older-looking package?
> 

You shouldn't mix repos, and it seems that this is what you are
doing. In particular, raspbian repos should be enabled only if
something very specific to rpi is necessary (e.g., a new version of
firmware), and then disabled again.

[cut]

> Is there an actual Devuan raspbeery pi release?  How do I install it?
>  

You just install the jessie rpi image, and then upgrade to ascii.

My2Cents

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Re: [DNG] raspberry pi 3 -- dependency hell

[Hendrik Boom]

To get X working on my Devuanized reespberry pi I need to install 
xserver-xorg-video-fbdev and -fbturbo.

These packages depend on xorg-video-abi-20, which 
is provided by xserver-xorg-core 2:1.18.4-2rpi1.

What's installed is xserver-xorg-core 2:1.19.2-1+deb
  presumably from devuan's repository.

How do I get it to install an older-looking package?



I managed to get aptitude to do that as a proposed fixup to another 
problem.

The root problem seemd to be that the raspberry pi package for 
xserver-xorg-core 2.1.18.4-2rpi1 comes from oldstable, which matched 
jessie, whereas the other devuan packages I have come from ascii, which 
matches stretch, which is presumably curren stable.

I suspect the solution, sad though it be, is to reinstall raspbian 
jessie, and possibly crossgrade to Devuan jessie, and leave everything 
there.

I'm in mixed-distro dependeny hell.

Is there an actual Devuan raspbeery pi release?  How do I install it?
 
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Re: [DNG] raspberry pi 3 -- trouble.

[Joel Roth]

On Tue, Jan 23, 2018 at 03:30:44AM -0500, Hendrik Boom wrote:
> Might  it have rebooted while I wasn't looking?  Why would aptitude do that?

Unlikely, even if the package manager installs a new kernel,
I believe Debian does not allow it to reboot a system
that could have important services running.

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Re: [DNG] raspberry pi 3 -- trouble.

[Joel Roth]

On Tue, Jan 23, 2018 at 03:30:44AM -0500, Hendrik Boom wrote:
> > Then used aptitude to install golang  Althout it had complained about 
> > only a fe packages, it ended up installing a very large number of 
> > packages -- hundreds.  I consider this suspicious.
> > 
> > THen I had it install golang and its dependencies.  It seemed to e doing 
> > that, but then the system crashed -- went to a state with a blank screen 
> > and a blinking cursor in the top left corner, completely unrsponsive to 
> > keyboard and mouse.

This would be a time to use Ctrl-Alt-Backspace to kill your
X server.  Likely your display manager (xdm and friends)
will restart the X server.  If you get a console (as you did
later) or you can try starting your window manager from the
command line with `startx`.

If that fails, from the terminal, remove golang and install
Xorg, and maybe your preferred window manager or DE.  

However, Debian changed the default of X not to respond
to Ctrl-Alt-Backspace. You may have to customize your
X keyboard setup (typically placing it in file ~/.xinitrc) stuff such as: 

# allow Ctrl-Alt-BackSpace to kill X server
# Use CapsLock as Ctrl 
setxkbmap -option ctrl:nocaps,terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp

# Don't beep
xset b off

# Disable PrintScreen (by mapping it to BackSpace)
xmodmap -e 'keysym Print = BackSpace'


> So why would using aptitude to install golang sabotage X?

I think it could come in part from mixed up or conflicting
dependencies of the packages themselves. If aptitude offers
you a solution to a conflict, it should list in full what
it is one Enter keyclick away from clobbering. 

Sabotage suggests a malevolent intent, which is not at all 
a good first guess, if you want to keep your feet on the
ground and solve  your problems.

I've never, ever used aptitude myself, having found 
apt-get and friends 
dpkg
dpkg-reconfigure
apt-cache search
apt-cache showpkg
apt-cache show
 
to be sufficient.

> It did go to dead X while installing golang, before I rebooted.  Might 
> it have rebooted while I wasn't looking?  Why would aptitude do that?
> 
> Or did it sabotage the desktop or window manager?  The so-called GOSFUI?  
> (is that what Steve Litt called it?)
> 
> It seems I have a working, but incomplete system.

To have a working console is such a amazing place to be,
and just a few steps away from bringing back, by waving the 
magic wand of apt-get (or even aptitude) to reinstall Xorg
and friends who were removed. 

But then you would probably lose golang, so that still sucks.

You can inspect the dependencies of individual packages with apt-cache show 
and apt-cache showpkg. Or record the conflicts listed by
package manager for golang without installing, and file
a bug report with the package maintainer. 

Have fun (and hopefully a somewhat working package dependency system)

Joel

 
> -- hendrik
> 
> > 
> > 
> > Any ideas?  Tomorrow I'll start fro scratch again unless someon has a 
> > better idea.  I could put the microsd card in an adaptor in my laptop's  
> > USB slot and see if I can see anything in the file system.
> > 
> > I could, of course, sk it to install a stretch version of Rapbian 
> > straightway and ignore the switch to Devuan.
> > 
> > -- hendrik
> > 
> > > 
> > > Fine. And don't forget to change
> > > 
> > > deb http://mirrordirector.raspbian.org/raspbian/ jessie  rpi
> > > 
> > > into
> > > 
> > > deb http://mirrordirector.raspbian.org/raspbian/ stretch  rpi
> > 
> > Yes, I did that.
> > 
> > > 
> > > You can see the available dists here:
> > > 
> > > http://mirrordirector.raspbian.org/raspbian/dists/
> > > 
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Re: [DNG] raspberry pi 3 -- trouble.

[Hendrik Boom]

On Mon, Jan 22, 2018 at 11:01:08PM -0500, Hendrik Boom wrote:
> On Mon, Jan 22, 2018 at 08:13:34AM +0100, J. Fahrner wrote:
> > Am 2018-01-21 22:19, schrieb Hendrik Boom:
> > >/etc/apt/sources.list shows mine is based on jessie.  That's pretty
> > >definitive.
> > >
> > >I think I'll cross over to Devuan first, then upgrade to ascii.
> 
> OK.  Did that. everything seemed fine after three dist-upgrades.
> 
> Then used aptitude to install golang.  When I started aptitude 
> interactively, it found a few other packages that needed fixing.  I let 
> it do that before installing golang.  Althout it had complained about 
> only a fe packages, it ended up installing a very large number of 
> packages -- hundreds.  I consider this suspicious.
> 
> THen I had it install golang and its dependencies.  It seemed to e doing 
> that, but then the system crashed -- went to a state with a blank screen 
> and a blinking cursor in the top left corner, completely unrsponsive to 
> keyboard and mouse.
> 
> Evidently everything wasn't OK yet.
> 
> Rebooting didn't help; it rebooted I got the long list of messages as 
> init put the system up, then back to the blank screen and a blinking 
> cursor.

Ah.  I should have figured it out already.  It booted, tried to start X, 
and failed.   Control-alt-F1 and I get a text-only login prompt. 

So why would using aptitude to install golang sabotage X?

It did go to dead X while installing golang, before I rebooted.  Might 
it have rebooted while I wasn't looking?  Why would aptitude do that?

Or did it sabotage the desktop or window manager?  The so-called GOSFUI?  
(is that what Steve Litt called it?)

It seems I have a working, but incomplete system.

-- hendrik

> 
> 
> Any ideas?  Tomorrow I'll start fro scratch again unless someon has a 
> better idea.  I could put the microsd card in an adaptor in my laptop's  
> USB slot and see if I can see anything in the file system.
> 
> I could, of course, sk it to install a stretch version of Rapbian 
> straightway and ignore the switch to Devuan.
> 
> -- hendrik
> 
> > 
> > Fine. And don't forget to change
> > 
> > deb http://mirrordirector.raspbian.org/raspbian/ jessie  rpi
> > 
> > into
> > 
> > deb http://mirrordirector.raspbian.org/raspbian/ stretch  rpi
> 
> Yes, I did that.
> 
> > 
> > You can see the available dists here:
> > 
> > http://mirrordirector.raspbian.org/raspbian/dists/
> > 
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Re: [DNG] raspberry pi 3 -- trouble.

[Hendrik Boom]

On Mon, Jan 22, 2018 at 11:01:08PM -0500, Hendrik Boom wrote:
> On Mon, Jan 22, 2018 at 08:13:34AM +0100, J. Fahrner wrote:
> > Am 2018-01-21 22:19, schrieb Hendrik Boom:
> > >/etc/apt/sources.list shows mine is based on jessie.  That's pretty
> > >definitive.
> > >
> > >I think I'll cross over to Devuan first, then upgrade to ascii.
> 
> OK.  Did that. everything seemed fine after three dist-upgrades.

The three dist-upgrades were from Devuan jessie to Devuan ascii.
I didn't think anything of it, becuse upgrading my EEEPC laptop from 
Devuan Jessie to ascii also had taken seversl dist-upgrades before 
everything was non-broken, and it ended up working just fine.

-- hendrik

> 
> Then used aptitude to install golang.  When I started aptitude 
> interactively, it found a few other packages that needed fixing.  I let 
> it do that before installing golang.  Althout it had complained about 
> only a fe packages, it ended up installing a very large number of 
> packages -- hundreds.  I consider this suspicious.
> 
> THen I had it install golang and its dependencies.  It seemed to e doing 
> that, but then the system crashed -- went to a state with a blank screen 
> and a blinking cursor in the top left corner, completely unrsponsive to 
> keyboard and mouse.
> 
> Evidently everything wasn't OK yet.
> 
> Rebooting didn't help; it rebooted I got the long list of messages as 
> init put the system up, then back to the blank screen and a blinking 
> cursor.
> 

Note:  I didn't run golang.  I just used aptitude to install it.

-- hendrik
> 
> Any ideas?  Tomorrow I'll start fro scratch again unless someon has a 
> better idea.  I could put the microsd card in an adaptor in my laptop's  
> USB slot and see if I can see anything in the file system.
> 
> I could, of course, sk it to install a stretch version of Rapbian 
> straightway and ignore the switch to Devuan.
> 
> -- hendrik
> 
> > 
> > Fine. And don't forget to change
> > 
> > deb http://mirrordirector.raspbian.org/raspbian/ jessie  rpi
> > 
> > into
> > 
> > deb http://mirrordirector.raspbian.org/raspbian/ stretch  rpi
> 
> Yes, I did that.
> 
> > 
> > You can see the available dists here:
> > 
> > http://mirrordirector.raspbian.org/raspbian/dists/
> > 
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Re: [DNG] raspberry pi 3 -- trouble.

[Hendrik Boom]

On Mon, Jan 22, 2018 at 08:13:34AM +0100, J. Fahrner wrote:
> Am 2018-01-21 22:19, schrieb Hendrik Boom:
> >/etc/apt/sources.list shows mine is based on jessie.  That's pretty
> >definitive.
> >
> >I think I'll cross over to Devuan first, then upgrade to ascii.

OK.  Did that. everything seemed fine after three dist-upgrades.

Then used aptitude to install golang.  When I started aptitude 
interactively, it found a few other packages that needed fixing.  I let 
it do that before installing golang.  Althout it had complained about 
only a fe packages, it ended up installing a very large number of 
packages -- hundreds.  I consider this suspicious.

THen I had it install golang and its dependencies.  It seemed to e doing 
that, but then the system crashed -- went to a state with a blank screen 
and a blinking cursor in the top left corner, completely unrsponsive to 
keyboard and mouse.

Evidently everything wasn't OK yet.

Rebooting didn't help; it rebooted I got the long list of messages as 
init put the system up, then back to the blank screen and a blinking 
cursor.


Any ideas?  Tomorrow I'll start fro scratch again unless someon has a 
better idea.  I could put the microsd card in an adaptor in my laptop's  
USB slot and see if I can see anything in the file system.

I could, of course, sk it to install a stretch version of Rapbian 
straightway and ignore the switch to Devuan.

-- hendrik

> 
> Fine. And don't forget to change
> 
> deb http://mirrordirector.raspbian.org/raspbian/ jessie  rpi
> 
> into
> 
> deb http://mirrordirector.raspbian.org/raspbian/ stretch  rpi

Yes, I did that.

> 
> You can see the available dists here:
> 
> http://mirrordirector.raspbian.org/raspbian/dists/
> 
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Re: [DNG] raspberry pi 3

[J. Fahrner]

Am 2018-01-21 22:19, schrieb Hendrik Boom:
/etc/apt/sources.list shows mine is based on jessie.  That's pretty 
definitive.


I think I'll cross over to Devuan first, then upgrade to ascii.


Fine. And don't forget to change

deb http://mirrordirector.raspbian.org/raspbian/ jessie  rpi

into

deb http://mirrordirector.raspbian.org/raspbian/ stretch  rpi

You can see the available dists here:

http://mirrordirector.raspbian.org/raspbian/dists/

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Re: [DNG] raspberry pi 3

[Antony Stone]

On Sunday 21 January 2018 at 22:19:55, Hendrik Boom wrote:

> On Sun, Jan 21, 2018 at 08:39:18PM +0100, Antony Stone wrote:
> > On Sunday 21 January 2018 at 20:32:14, Hendrik Boom wrote:
> > > Now I get to wonder which Debian release the current Raspbian is based
> > > on, so I can guess which Devuan release to migrate to.
> > 
> > I thought they were all pretty well labelled?
> > 
> > The "current" Raspbian https://www.raspberrypi.org/downloads/raspbian/
> > appears to be based on Stretch.
> 
> /etc/apt/sources.list shows mine is based on jessie.  That's pretty
> definitive.

Oh, if you were trying to find out what version you have on an already-running 
machine, then /etc/debian_version is probably the best guide.

> I think I'll cross over to Devuan first, then upgrade to ascii.

That sounds good.


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Re: [DNG] raspberry pi 3

[Hendrik Boom]

On Sun, Jan 21, 2018 at 08:39:18PM +0100, Antony Stone wrote:
> On Sunday 21 January 2018 at 20:32:14, Hendrik Boom wrote:
> 
> > Now I get to wonder which Debian release the current Raspbian is based on,
> > so I can guess which Devuan release to migrate to.
> 
> I thought they were all pretty well labelled?
> 
> The "current" Raspbian https://www.raspberrypi.org/downloads/raspbian/ 
> appears 
> to be based on Stretch.

/etc/apt/sources.list shows mine is based on jessie.  That's pretty definitive.

I think I'll cross over to Devuan first, then upgrade to ascii.

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Re: [DNG] raspberry pi 3

[Antony Stone]

On Sunday 21 January 2018 at 20:32:14, Hendrik Boom wrote:

> Now I get to wonder which Debian release the current Raspbian is based on,
> so I can guess which Devuan release to migrate to.

I thought they were all pretty well labelled?

The "current" Raspbian https://www.raspberrypi.org/downloads/raspbian/ appears 
to be based on Stretch.

Older versions are available from 
https://downloads.raspberrypi.org/raspbian/images/ or 
https://downloads.raspberrypi.org/raspbian_lite/images/ however you need to 
look into each archive directory to fidn out what the version name is.

> And it's probably a good idea to have a few extra microsd cards to play
> with in case things go wrong.

Just dd your SD card to an HDD somewhre before trying an upgrade - then dd it 
back again if the outcome is "suboptimal"?


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Re: [DNG] raspberry pi 3

[Hendrik Boom]

On Sun, Jan 21, 2018 at 07:58:21AM +0100, J. Fahrner wrote:
> Am 2018-01-20 23:27, schrieb Hendrik Boom:
> >>deb http://mirrordirector.raspbian.org/raspbian/ jessie  rpi
> >>deb http://auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged jessie  main contrib
> >>non-free
> >>deb http://auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged jessie-updates  main contrib
> >>non-free
> >>deb http://auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged jessie-security main contrib
> >>non-free
> >
> >So you end up with *both* the devuan sources and a raspbian one?
> 
> From the raspbian packages you only pull "rpi", not main, contrib, or
> non-free. rpi contains the specific packages for the Raspberry PI, kernel,
> bootloader, firmware and so on.

Now I get to wonder which Debian release the current Raspbian is based on, 
so I can guess which Devuan release to migrate to.

And it's probably a good idea to have a few extra microsd cards to play 
with in case things go wrong.

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Re: [DNG] raspberry pi 3

[KatolaZ]

On Sun, Jan 21, 2018 at 01:29:48PM +0100, Bastiaan van den Berg wrote:
> FYI , i had great success with the -pi3 , -pi1 and -sunxi images. Just
> install like normal (dd the image to SD , check dhcp leases for the IP ,
> ssh into it with root:toor) and upgrade to ascii after that​ like you
> normally would on any install.
> 

Same over here. Did that on pi0, pi3. Can't remember if the pi2 was
upgraded to ascii in the same way or from an older raspbian instead,
but it works as well.

My2Cents

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Re: [DNG] raspberry pi 3

[Bastiaan van den Berg]

FYI , i had great success with the -pi3 , -pi1 and -sunxi images. Just
install like normal (dd the image to SD , check dhcp leases for the IP ,
ssh into it with root:toor) and upgrade to ascii after that​ like you
normally would on any install.

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Re: [DNG] raspberry pi 3

[J. Fahrner]

Am 2018-01-20 23:27, schrieb Hendrik Boom:

deb http://mirrordirector.raspbian.org/raspbian/ jessie  rpi
deb http://auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged jessie  main contrib
non-free
deb http://auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged jessie-updates  main contrib
non-free
deb http://auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged jessie-security main contrib
non-free


So you end up with *both* the devuan sources and a raspbian one?


From the raspbian packages you only pull "rpi", not main, contrib, or 
non-free. rpi contains the specific packages for the Raspberry PI, 
kernel, bootloader, firmware and so on.

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Re: [DNG] raspberry pi 3

[Gregory Nowak]

On Sat, Jan 20, 2018 at 09:06:29PM +0100, J. Fahrner wrote:
> I had no luck with the images from Devuan. But you can install Raspbian and
> then migrate to Devuan following this guide:

Another option if you know what you're doing is to debootstrap your
own install from a x86/x86_64 system. This worked for me the last time
I did it for both armhf and arch64 on a jessie system doing a jessie
debootstrap, but I see no good reason why it shouldn't also work with
Ascii. Of course Ascii isn't official yet, so I could be wrong here.

Greg


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Re: [DNG] raspberry pi 3

[Hendrik Boom]

On Sat, Jan 20, 2018 at 09:06:29PM +0100, J. Fahrner wrote:
> Am 2018-01-20 20:33, schrieb Hendrik Boom:
> >I gather from the extracts provided by the spam sites Google thinks are
> >relevant to devuan that there is a devuan for the Raspberry Pi.
> >
> >Where do I find it?  How do I install it?  Can I install and try out
> >Ascii?  or just Jessie?
> 
> I had no luck with the images from Devuan. But you can install Raspbian and
> then migrate to Devuan following this guide:
> https://talk.devuan.org/t/migrating-from-debian-to-a-minimalist-devuan/181
> 
> This is my sources.list:
> deb http://mirrordirector.raspbian.org/raspbian/ jessie  rpi
> deb http://auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged jessie  main contrib
> non-free
> deb http://auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged jessie-updates  main contrib
> non-free
> deb http://auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged jessie-security main contrib
> non-free

So you end up with *both* the devuan sources and a raspbian one?

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Re: [DNG] raspberry pi 3

[Irrwahn]

Hendrik Boom wrote on 20.01.2018 20:33:
> I gather from the extracts provided by the spam sites Google thinks are 
> relevant to devuan that there is a devuan for the Raspberry Pi.
> 
> Where do I find it?  How do I install it?  Can I install and try out 
> Ascii?  or just Jessie?

Hendrik, 

there are no official images or installation media available for ASCII yet.
But you might want to have a look at
   https://devuan.smallinnovations.nl/?dir=devuan_jessie/embedded
(mirror of files.devuan.org, more mirrors listed at devuan.org main page).

Upgrading from Jessie to ASCII should essentially be a matter of editing
/etc/apt/sources.list, followed by apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade.

HTH, Regards
Urban

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Re: [DNG] raspberry pi 3

[J. Fahrner]

Am 2018-01-20 20:33, schrieb Hendrik Boom:

I gather from the extracts provided by the spam sites Google thinks are
relevant to devuan that there is a devuan for the Raspberry Pi.

Where do I find it?  How do I install it?  Can I install and try out
Ascii?  or just Jessie?


I had no luck with the images from Devuan. But you can install Raspbian 
and then migrate to Devuan following this guide: 
https://talk.devuan.org/t/migrating-from-debian-to-a-minimalist-devuan/181


This is my sources.list:
deb http://mirrordirector.raspbian.org/raspbian/ jessie  rpi
deb http://auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged jessie  main contrib 
non-free
deb http://auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged jessie-updates  main contrib 
non-free
deb http://auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged jessie-security main contrib 
non-free

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Re: [DNG] Raspberry Pi 3

[Florian Zieboll]

On Fri, 15 Jul 2016 12:29:11 +0200
shraptor  wrote:


> I came across some rumors of rpi3 having a overheating problem?


For the case these rumors are true: Standard cyanoacrylate super glue
works perfectly well to stick a small heat sink to the CPU - possibly
combined with some additional holes drilled through the housing.

libre Grüße,

Florian


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Re: [DNG] Raspberry Pi 3

[Jaromil]

On Fri, 15 Jul 2016, shraptor wrote:

> On 2016-07-14 22:22, Jaromil wrote:
> >our image works perfect on rpi2 and 3, at dyne.org we already use it
> >in production for a couple of projects.
> 
> I came across some rumors of rpi3 having a overheating problem?
> 
> Did you notice anything like that in your projects, Mine is gonna
> run pretty much all the time.

I use several in different situations one also as a set-top box for
personal use and no problems at all. I have not measured it really nor
the set-top box is heavy on the CPU because the thing has a video
decoder chip, however I think is pretty solid and I'm happy with it,
much more than with rpi1 or 2 which kind of sucked also for net/usb
irq steering issues. but well, I haven't tried mining dogecoin on it
or something stupid like that that would occupy cpus all the time :^)
I guess you aren't planning that either.

ciao

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Re: [DNG] Raspberry Pi 3

[shraptor]

On 2016-07-14 22:22, Jaromil wrote:

our image works perfect on rpi2 and 3, at dyne.org we already use it
in production for a couple of projects.


I came across some rumors of rpi3 having a overheating problem?

Did you notice anything like that in your projects, Mine is gonna
run pretty much all the time.

/scooby
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Re: [DNG] Raspberry Pi 3

[Jaromil]

There is no more need to install Raspbian first.

all Devuan ARM images are now directly installable just like raspian
is. not just the Rpi2/3 image, but all others, will work the same: dd
on a SD card and boot.

and yes, in case you are asking yourself, not even Debian does provide
that ATM. We already include actual embedded platforms as installer
targets, which is handy and consistend with having a unique base.

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Re: [DNG] Raspberry Pi 3

[Florian Zieboll]

On Thu, 14 Jul 2016 16:34:55 -0400
Brian Nash  wrote:

> The way I got Devuan on my RPI3 was by installing the normal Raspbian
> distro, then adding the armhf Devuan repositories to
> /etc/apt/sources.list, then re-installing everything and purging
> systemd.


Assuming that this works for the Raspi 3 as well:

Instead of installing a full Raspbian image - and to avoid the migration
back to SysV init, I use to set up a minimal (SysV based) Raspbian
Wheezy, using the "Raspbian unattended netinstaller", before changing
the sources.list to Devuan Jessie and doing the upgrade.

I am not sure if the latest releases still support Wheezy, so if in
doubt, I'd recommend to use v1.0.7, which is the latest to default to
Wheezy/SysV.

https://github.com/debian-pi/raspbian-ua-netinst/releases

libre Grüße,

Florian


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Re: [DNG] Raspberry Pi 3

[Brian Nash]

Is that file a full SD card image?
Do you need a whole image?

If not, then this might work:

The way I got Devuan on my RPI3 was by installing the normal Raspbian
distro, then adding the armhf Devuan repositories to
/etc/apt/sources.list, then re-installing everything and purging systemd.

My method is a hack at best, but it has been completely stable so far.
For testing, I switched to using the PI as my general-purpose computer,
and nothing has gone wrong yet. (it's been a few months)

You do have to check that systemd isn't installed as a dependency of
another package, but aptitude is usually smart enough to get the correct
version.

On Thu, Jul 14, 2016 at 09:29:32PM +0200, shraptor wrote:
I am about to buy a Raspberry Pi and want to go with the latest 
version model 3.


When I check https://files.devuan.org/devuan_jessie_beta/
I only find devuan_jessie_1.0.0-beta_armhf_raspi2.img.xz

Will there be a version for Raspberry Pi 3 or should I buy the 
Raspberry Pi 2 version?


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Re: [DNG] Raspberry Pi 3

[Jaromil]

On Thu, 14 Jul 2016, shraptor wrote:

> I am about to buy a Raspberry Pi and want to go with the latest version
> model 3.
> 
> When I check https://files.devuan.org/devuan_jessie_beta/
> I only find devuan_jessie_1.0.0-beta_armhf_raspi2.img.xz
> 
> Will there be a version for Raspberry Pi 3 or should I buy the Raspberry Pi
> 2 version?


go ahead with buying a rpi3, is much better.

our image works perfect on rpi2 and 3, at dyne.org we already use it
in production for a couple of projects.

ciao

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