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HI Jean
Good catch!
Thank you for that.

Olivier

Em 09/06/2022 03:08, Jean Weber escreveu:

Things to fix in Rev1:
Page 131, list numbering starts at 4); sublist starts at e). [Chapter 3]
Page 285, sublist under 5) starts at c). [Chapter 5]
Page 336, list starts at 3). [Chapter 7]

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] REMIND: Documentation team call is today at 18:00 UTC


Hi Peter

Thanks for leading this topic.

Advancing one of my remarks:

On captions of small images (e.g. couple of icons) or tall and thin 
images (vertical toolbars) the caption text often flows vertically too 
(because the caption is bounded by the image outer frame). That look bad 
and IMHO the caption (actually the outer frame) should be wider to 
prevent excessive reflow of the caption text. A rule-of-thumb may be to 
let the caption have 2 lines at most, and not not exceed X % of the 
image width (X to be defined).


Olivier

Em 09/06/2022 08:14, Peter Schofield escreveu:

OK Olivier

I will create a new template using the old as a base.

All paragraphs, except Headings, will be set to “Do not split paragraph”. Will 
add information about what paragraph and sentence length should be used with 
this option selected.

Will also add info about bullet list and numbered items.

Give me a few days and my proposal for a new template will appear in the 
contributor resources folder on NextCloud.

Regards
Peter Schofield
psaut...@gmail.com
Technical Writer, LO Documentation Team


On 9 Jun 2022, at 13:03, Olivier Hallot  wrote:

Hi Peter

Em 09/06/2022 07:42, Peter Schofield escreveu:

Hello Olivier
Evening times for meetings are not good for me, but do have a couple of items 
that I would like mentioned.


I am open to change the meeting time and week day, if that helps you to 
participate, which will be fantastic.


1. I am willing to continue updating the Impress and Draw guides to 7.4 and 
beyond. Not sure yet if it really will be necessary to update to 7.4. Need to 
test the beta LO 7.4 against the user guides to see what has changed.


You know you can have the list of improvements in the release notes, right? The 
list may be just empty if nothing was added to Impress or Draw or nothing to 
add to the guide if an improvement does not show to the user (e.g. performance, 
code refactoring, corner-case bug fix...)

https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleaseNotes/7.4




2. The LO chapter template needs to be updated to help reduce the formatting 
errors that can occur when preparing user guides for publication. I did send 
out an email recently with a few suggestions. Would appreciate some feedback 
and ideas. I can easily update the styles and add a few instructions to help 
our willing volunteers.


Yes I agree with your remarks in the other mail (sorry to take time to comment) 
and I suggest we add these remarks into a new ODT file (and later mutated to 
template V 8.0) in the /Contributor Resource/ folder.

I also have my own remarks too.

Regards
Olivier



Regards
Peter Schofield
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Technical Writer, LO Documentation Team

On 9 Jun 2022, at 12:30, Olivier Hallot  wrote:

Hi Documentation Team (Guides, Help contents) !

Our documentation team meeting will take place today at 18:00 UTC

We will use the following jitsi  meeting room

https://jitsi.documentfoundation.org/tdfdocteam

The meeting room is supposed to work will all browsers without the need
of a specific plugin. You can use a mobile app in your Android or Iphone.

The documentation pad for the meeting minute is

http://pad.documentfoundation.org/p/documentation

Main topics:

+ Assiging tasks for next release 7.4
   + Getting Srated Guide
   + Calc Guide
+ Base Guide Rev 1 and on
+ Miscellanea

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] REMIND: Documentation team call is today at 18:00 UTC


Hi Peter

Em 09/06/2022 07:42, Peter Schofield escreveu:

Hello Olivier

Evening times for meetings are not good for me, but do have a couple of items 
that I would like mentioned.


I am open to change the meeting time and week day, if that helps you to 
participate, which will be fantastic.




1. I am willing to continue updating the Impress and Draw guides to 7.4 and 
beyond. Not sure yet if it really will be necessary to update to 7.4. Need to 
test the beta LO 7.4 against the user guides to see what has changed.


You know you can have the list of improvements in the release notes, 
right? The list may be just empty if nothing was added to Impress or 
Draw or nothing to add to the guide if an improvement does not show to 
the user (e.g. performance, code refactoring, corner-case bug fix...)


https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleaseNotes/7.4





2. The LO chapter template needs to be updated to help reduce the formatting 
errors that can occur when preparing user guides for publication. I did send 
out an email recently with a few suggestions. Would appreciate some feedback 
and ideas. I can easily update the styles and add a few instructions to help 
our willing volunteers.


Yes I agree with your remarks in the other mail (sorry to take time to 
comment) and I suggest we add these remarks into a new ODT file (and 
later mutated to template V 8.0) in the /Contributor Resource/ folder.


I also have my own remarks too.

Regards
Olivier




Regards
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Technical Writer, LO Documentation Team


On 9 Jun 2022, at 12:30, Olivier Hallot  wrote:

Hi Documentation Team (Guides, Help contents) !

Our documentation team meeting will take place today at 18:00 UTC

We will use the following jitsi  meeting room

https://jitsi.documentfoundation.org/tdfdocteam

The meeting room is supposed to work will all browsers without the need
of a specific plugin. You can use a mobile app in your Android or Iphone.

The documentation pad for the meeting minute is

http://pad.documentfoundation.org/p/documentation

Main topics:

+ Assiging tasks for next release 7.4
   + Getting Srated Guide
   + Calc Guide
+ Base Guide Rev 1 and on
+ Miscellanea

See you later!
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] REMIND: Documentation team call is today at 18:00 UTC

2022-06-09 Thread Peter Schofield

Hello Olivier

Evening times for meetings are not good for me, but do have a couple of items 
that I would like mentioned.

1. I am willing to continue updating the Impress and Draw guides to 7.4 and 
beyond. Not sure yet if it really will be necessary to update to 7.4. Need to 
test the beta LO 7.4 against the user guides to see what has changed.

2. The LO chapter template needs to be updated to help reduce the formatting 
errors that can occur when preparing user guides for publication. I did send 
out an email recently with a few suggestions. Would appreciate some feedback 
and ideas. I can easily update the styles and add a few instructions to help 
our willing volunteers.

Regards
Peter Schofield
psaut...@gmail.com
Technical Writer, LO Documentation Team

> On 9 Jun 2022, at 12:30, Olivier Hallot  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi Documentation Team (Guides, Help contents) !
> 
> Our documentation team meeting will take place today at 18:00 UTC
> 
> We will use the following jitsi  meeting room
> 
> https://jitsi.documentfoundation.org/tdfdocteam
> 
> The meeting room is supposed to work will all browsers without the need
> of a specific plugin. You can use a mobile app in your Android or Iphone.
> 
> The documentation pad for the meeting minute is
> 
> http://pad.documentfoundation.org/p/documentation
> 
> Main topics:
> 
> + Assiging tasks for next release 7.4
>   + Getting Srated Guide
>   + Calc Guide
> + Base Guide Rev 1 and on
> + Miscellanea
> 
> See you later!
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[libreoffice-documentation] REMIND: Documentation team call is today at 18:00 UTC


Hi Documentation Team (Guides, Help contents) !

Our documentation team meeting will take place today at 18:00 UTC

We will use the following jitsi  meeting room

https://jitsi.documentfoundation.org/tdfdocteam

The meeting room is supposed to work will all browsers without the need
of a specific plugin. You can use a mobile app in your Android or Iphone.

The documentation pad for the meeting minute is

http://pad.documentfoundation.org/p/documentation

Main topics:

+ Assiging tasks for next release 7.4
   + Getting Srated Guide
   + Calc Guide
+ Base Guide Rev 1 and on
+ Miscellanea

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[libreoffice-documentation] List numbering errors in Base 7.3 PDF

2022-06-09 Thread Jean Weber

Things to fix in Rev1:
Page 131, list numbering starts at 4); sublist starts at e). [Chapter 3]
Page 285, sublist under 5) starts at c). [Chapter 5]
Page 336, list starts at 3). [Chapter 7]

Jean

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Base Guide 7.3 is published

2022-06-08 Thread Olivier Hallot


Hello Dev
Thanks for the heads-up.
Fixed
Olivier
PS: cut and paste in small font and low contrast web editor.

Em 08/06/2022 01:08, Vasudev Narayanan escreveu:

Greetings Olivier

The link to Base 7.3 image (Books Section: 
https://documentation.libreoffice.org/en/english-documentation/) is 
pointing to Draw v7.3 guide. It might need your intervention.


Regards

-Dev


On 07/06/22 23:44, Olivier Hallot wrote:

Hello Team

The Base Guide 7.3 Revision 0 is now published and available for 
download.


https://documentation.libreoffice.org/en/english-documentation/
https://books.libreoffice.org/en/

The book is an update from the Base Guide 7.2, reviewed and enhanced 
by Steve Fanning, Robert Großkopf, Vasudev Narayanan and flywire.


The book was created using a master document and chapters were 
adjusted to fit the master document specifics. In particular, we 
wrapped the copyright section and the Table of Contents of each 
chapter is a section that is hidden when build in the master document. 
The PDF and the ODT file were exported directly from the master document.


The Base Guide team reviewed and updated the Guide in a continuous 
mode (time based) and the Revision 1 (7.3 final) is scheduled for end 
of July 2022. After that, the Base Guide team will continue the work 
under the title Base Guide 7.4.


The team and the volunteers are now invited to pick the published 
chapter and update, following the standard rules of revision 
(track-changes, file naming convention, etc...) and upload it in the 
folder /Published-Rev1/) for later publication. By end of July, I'll 
pick the updates and rebuild the book.


The control sŕeadsheet is now Guide Status BG73-Rev1.ods

Kind regards





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[libreoffice-documentation] Update to LO 7.* chapter template

2022-06-08 Thread Peter Schofield

Suggestions for an update to the LibreOffice user guide template to help 
prevent formatting problems when user guides are being prepared for issue.

No change required for heading styles already in use.

All other paragraph styles have the option “Do not split paragraph” selected. 
This is found in Options on the Text Flow page of the Paragraph dialog. “Orphan 
control” and “Widow control” are deselected.

Selecting “Do not split paragraph” does mean that there has to be a writing 
style change because long paragraphs cannot be used. Suggested paragraph length 
is no more than six sentences using approximately 25 words in each sentence. 
This suggestion comes from Simplified English rules to assist in making a 
document easier to read. I have come across some long paragraphs in the LO user 
guides and these long paragraphs will create formatting problems.

List paragraphs - length and number of sentences to kept as short as possible, 
but explain the list item. Long List paragraphs defeat the object of creating 
an unordered list. 

Numbering paragraphs - these are normally used in procedures and should only 
contain one step in the procedure. Normally, only one sentence should be used.

Figures and illustrations - these should be positioned as close as possible to 
the paragraph containing the reference. Preferably at the top or bottom of the 
page the paragraph containing the reference, but that is not always possible.

Figures and illustrations - to help prevent large gaps appearing on a page, the 
frame size should be adjusted with the "Keep ratio” option selected so that the 
figure or illustration is positioned on the correct page. This will prevent any 
distortion of the figure or illustration when adjusting width or height of the 
frame.

Please let me know what you think of my suggestions and any suggestions you 
have to improve the template.

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Base Guide 7.3 is published

2022-06-07 Thread Steve Fanning


Hi Olivier,

Thank you for publishing this version of the document.

I am interested in reviewing / updating Chapter 3 (Tables) and have put 
my initials against it in the tracking spreadsheet. This chapter makes 
use of the Media_without_Macros.odb database and, in case it needs some 
updates for better figures or any other reason, I have added that item 
to the spreadsheet and placed my initials against it.


I'm not sure how long my work on these two items will take and have 
reflected that in the spreadsheet too.


Regards,

Steve


On 07/06/2022 19:14, Olivier Hallot wrote:

Hello Team

The Base Guide 7.3 Revision 0 is now published and available for 
download.


https://documentation.libreoffice.org/en/english-documentation/
https://books.libreoffice.org/en/

The book is an update from the Base Guide 7.2, reviewed and enhanced 
by Steve Fanning, Robert Großkopf, Vasudev Narayanan and flywire.


The book was created using a master document and chapters were 
adjusted to fit the master document specifics. In particular, we 
wrapped the copyright section and the Table of Contents of each 
chapter is a section that is hidden when build in the master document. 
The PDF and the ODT file were exported directly from the master document.


The Base Guide team reviewed and updated the Guide in a continuous 
mode (time based) and the Revision 1 (7.3 final) is scheduled for end 
of July 2022. After that, the Base Guide team will continue the work 
under the title Base Guide 7.4.


The team and the volunteers are now invited to pick the published 
chapter and update, following the standard rules of revision 
(track-changes, file naming convention, etc...) and upload it in the 
folder /Published-Rev1/) for later publication. By end of July, I'll 
pick the updates and rebuild the book.


The control sŕeadsheet is now Guide Status BG73-Rev1.ods

Kind regards



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[libreoffice-documentation] Base Guide 7.3 is published

2022-06-07 Thread Olivier Hallot


Hello Team

The Base Guide 7.3 Revision 0 is now published and available for download.

https://documentation.libreoffice.org/en/english-documentation/
https://books.libreoffice.org/en/

The book is an update from the Base Guide 7.2, reviewed and enhanced by 
Steve Fanning, Robert Großkopf, Vasudev Narayanan and flywire.


The book was created using a master document and chapters were adjusted 
to fit the master document specifics. In particular, we wrapped the 
copyright section and the Table of Contents of each chapter is a section 
that is hidden when build in the master document. The PDF and the ODT 
file were exported directly from the master document.


The Base Guide team reviewed and updated the Guide in a continuous mode 
(time based) and the Revision 1 (7.3 final) is scheduled for end of July 
2022. After that, the Base Guide team will continue the work under the 
title Base Guide 7.4.


The team and the volunteers are now invited to pick the published 
chapter and update, following the standard rules of revision 
(track-changes, file naming convention, etc...) and upload it in the 
folder /Published-Rev1/) for later publication. By end of July, I'll 
pick the updates and rebuild the book.


The control sŕeadsheet is now Guide Status BG73-Rev1.ods

Kind regards

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Frame styles question and captioned image resizing.

2022-06-04 Thread Cor Nouws


Hi Olivier,

Applying a frame style to a graphic object in a text document does not 
mean that all style properties listed in the frame style dialog are 
applied.


In particular, the "anchoring", “keep ratio”, “auto size”, “relative 
to”, “width” and “height” found in the Type tab of a frame style are not 
applied to the object.


Which is rather confusing, unless it’s a bug.


Maybe I'm adding confusion, but it might also help understanding what 
settings work in frame styles and what not..


I've experienced that when you create a custom object style from an 
image/object that you gave some properties, there is no way to exclude 
the width & height òr to make sure that the aspect ratio is preserved 
when the style is applied to an object. Also changing the style's 
definition in the xml-styles file, didn't help.


Cheers,
Cor

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Frame styles question and captioned image resizing.

2022-06-04 Thread Peter Schofield

Hello Olivier

If you adjust frame size for a figure, the image inside the frame automatically 
adjusts its size to fit the frame. However, you have to select “Keep ratio” 
option to maintain the correct image size. I do this adding figures to the user 
guide.

Regards 

Peter Schofield
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> On 4 Jun 2022, at 16:58, Olivier Hallot  
> wrote:
> 
> Part of the issue is answered by Regina
> 
> https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=32484#c22
> 
> 
> One reason of the problem is, that ODF allows the setting "anchor-type" as 
> direct attribute of an object and as part of a style. If both are present, 
> the object attribute "wins". Currently LibreOffice writes it as direct 
> attribute and do not include it in custom defined style. Only the predefined 
> styles have set the anchor-type as part of the style.
> 
> If you derive your custom style from an predefined style, it will inherit the 
> setting. Currently there is Watermark with anchored to page, and Frame, 
> Graphics, Marginalia and OLE anchored to paragraph, and Formula and Labels 
> anchored as-char.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Em 04/06/2022 05:59, Olivier Hallot escreveu:
>> Hi
>> I am making some adjustments in images for the Base Guide and found 
>> "inconsistencies" in frame styling.
>> Applying a frame style to a graphic object in a text document does not mean 
>> that all style properties listed in the frame style dialog are applied.
>> In particular, the "anchoring", “keep ratio”, “auto size”, “relative to”, 
>> “width” and “height” found in the Type tab of a frame style are not applied 
>> to the object.
>> Which is rather confusing, unless it’s a bug.
>> The Writer guide mentions anchoring as a manual setting, but not the other 
>> settings above.
>> Also, the Writer guide mention captioning how-to topics but not one use case 
>> we find so often: resizing captioned images.
>> https://books.libreoffice.org/en/WG73/WG7308-IntroStyles.html#toc25
>> https://books.libreoffice.org/en/WG73/WG7311-ImagesAndGraphics.html#toc18
>> Ideally I would like to resize the frame and get the internal 
>> image/screenshot resized accordingly (or vice-versa). It is not clear to me 
>> how the frame properties relates to the image (also a frame) inside, and if 
>> there are parameters to set to bind the 2.
>> A clear instructions on this use case will go into the guides, Help and wiki.
>> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/DocumentationTeamInfo/ProducingLibreOfficeUserGuides
>>  
>> https://help.libreoffice.org/7.4/en-US/text/swriter/01/05060100.html?=SHARED=UNIX
>>  Kind regards
> 
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Frame styles question and captioned image resizing.

2022-06-04 Thread Olivier Hallot

Part of the issue is answered by Regina

https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=32484#c22

One reason of the problem is, that ODF allows the setting "anchor-type"
as direct attribute of an object and as part of a style. If both are
present, the object attribute "wins". Currently LibreOffice writes it as
direct attribute and do not include it in custom defined style. Only the
predefined styles have set the anchor-type as part of the style.

If you derive your custom style from an predefined style, it will
inherit the setting. Currently there is Watermark with anchored to page,
and Frame, Graphics, Marginalia and OLE anchored to paragraph, and
Formula and Labels anchored as-char.

Em 04/06/2022 05:59, Olivier Hallot escreveu:

I am making some adjustments in images for the Base Guide and found
"inconsistencies" in frame styling.

Applying a frame style to a graphic object in a text document does not
mean that all style properties listed in the frame style dialog are
applied.

In particular, the "anchoring", “keep ratio”, “auto size”, “relative
to”, “width” and “height” found in the Type tab of a frame style are not
applied to the object.

Which is rather confusing, unless it’s a bug.

The Writer guide mentions anchoring as a manual setting, but not the
other settings above.

Also, the Writer guide mention captioning how-to topics but not one use
case we find so often: resizing captioned images.

https://books.libreoffice.org/en/WG73/WG7308-IntroStyles.html#toc25
https://books.libreoffice.org/en/WG73/WG7311-ImagesAndGraphics.html#toc18

Ideally I would like to resize the frame and get the internal
image/screenshot resized accordingly (or vice-versa). It is not clear to
me how the frame properties relates to the image (also a frame) inside,
and if there are parameters to set to bind the 2.

A clear instructions on this use case will go into the guides, Help and
wiki.

https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/DocumentationTeamInfo/ProducingLibreOfficeUserGuides

https://help.libreoffice.org/7.4/en-US/text/swriter/01/05060100.html?=SHARED=UNIX

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[libreoffice-documentation] Frame styles question and captioned image resizing.

2022-06-04 Thread Olivier Hallot


Hi

I am making some adjustments in images for the Base Guide and found 
"inconsistencies" in frame styling.


Applying a frame style to a graphic object in a text document does not 
mean that all style properties listed in the frame style dialog are applied.


In particular, the "anchoring", “keep ratio”, “auto size”, “relative 
to”, “width” and “height” found in the Type tab of a frame style are not 
applied to the object.


Which is rather confusing, unless it’s a bug.

The Writer guide mentions anchoring as a manual setting, but not the 
other settings above.


Also, the Writer guide mention captioning how-to topics but not one use 
case we find so often: resizing captioned images.


https://books.libreoffice.org/en/WG73/WG7308-IntroStyles.html#toc25
https://books.libreoffice.org/en/WG73/WG7311-ImagesAndGraphics.html#toc18

Ideally I would like to resize the frame and get the internal 
image/screenshot resized accordingly (or vice-versa). It is not clear to 
me how the frame properties relates to the image (also a frame) inside, 
and if there are parameters to set to bind the 2.


A clear instructions on this use case will go into the guides, Help and 
wiki.


https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/DocumentationTeamInfo/ProducingLibreOfficeUserGuides

https://help.libreoffice.org/7.4/en-US/text/swriter/01/05060100.html?=SHARED=UNIX

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Future method for users to report errors in guides?

2022-06-03 Thread Jean Weber

Excellent! Thank you, Olivier.

Jean

On Sat, 4 Jun 2022 at 00:47 Olivier Hallot 
wrote:

> Hi
>
> I've spent time and cleared out the issue with the infra team and it
> will be possible to send a mail to the forum without subscription.
>
> The mail will hit the moderation, though.
>
> If the sender wants to edit or be part of the community he/she will have
> to register, as usual.
>
> The mail address will be set when the documentation forum go live. I
> have no better name to suggest than
> "documentat...@community.documentfoundation.org".
>
> Regards
> Olivier
>
> >>
> >> V V pet., 3. jun. 2022 ob 03:32 je oseba Jean Weber <
> jeanwe...@gmail.com>
> >> napisala:
> >>
> >>> IMO requiring someone to get a login just to report an error is not
> >>> user-friendly at all. In fact, I would describe it as user-hostile.
> >>> There must be another (better) way.
> >>>
> >>> Jean
> >>>
> >>>> On Fri, Jun 3, 2022 at 7:25 AM Olivier Hallot
> >>>>  wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Hello Jean
> >>>>
> >>>> We will have to update the feedback link to the forum.
> >>>>
> >>>> It will be necessary to get a login.
> >>>>
> >>>> Kind regards
> >>>> Olivier
> >>>> Note: the documentation forum link will be announced later.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Em 02/06/2022 17:16, Jean Weber escreveu:
> >>>>> After the documentation list moves to its new forum, how will users
> be
> >>>>> advised to report errors in the guides? Currently the copyright pages
> >>>>> direct users to this (docs) mailing list. They do not need to
> >>> subscribe to
> >>>>> do so.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Jean
> >>>>>
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] How to spell "CustomShape"

2022-06-03 Thread Rafael Lima

Hi Regina,

Taking the sentence you gave as the first example " Many Custom Shapes have
handles to alter the geometry".

I do not see any problem if the term "custom shapes" is translated in this
context. Actually, I think that keeping it in English only will look weird
when the rest of the sentence is translated. Also, it might be better to
use small letters as in "custom shapes".

For example, in pt-BR (translating "custom shapes"):
Muitas formas personalizadas possuem alças para alterar a geometria.

The example above looks better to me than (using "Custom Shapes"
capitalizing first letters):
Muitas Custom Shapes possuem alças para alterar a geometria.

Regards,
Rafael Lima

On Thu, Jun 2, 2022 at 6:35 PM Regina Henschel 
wrote:

> Hi Rafael,
>
> Rafael Lima schrieb am 02.06.2022 um 19:56:
> > Hi Regina,
> >
> > In ODF 1.3 part 3, section 10.6 the term "Custom Shapes" is used to
> > describe the element . So I believe you could use
> > "Custom Shape(s)" to write this guide. It would be suitable from the
> > standpoint of developers.
>
> So you mean a sentence like the following would be OK?
> Many Custom Shapes have handles to alter the geometry.
>
> Would it be clear that the part "Custom Shapes" should not be translated?
>
> Using "custom shape" with lower case would surely be translated to
> "forme personnalisée" (fr) or "benutzerdefinierte Form" (de), for example.
>
> Or do you have an idea how to write something similar to
> "Fontwork-shape" or "Isosceles Triangle"-shape?
> Or so ?
> Many "Custom Shape"-shapes have handles to alter the geometry.
>
> Or using a style to make clear that "custom shape" is a technical term?
> Italic for example? 'Small capitals' seem to be not available in the Wiki.
>
> Kind regards,
> Regina
>
> >
> > Regards,
> > Rafael Lima
> >
> > On Thu, Jun 2, 2022 at 11:52 AM Regina Henschel  >
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Hi all,
> >>
> >> I'm going to write a Wiki page about CustomShapes addressed to
> >> developers. Text therein will be for example:
> >>
> >> 1 What is “CustomShape”?
> >> “CustomShape” is a technical term and does not mean “made by the user”.
> >> But “CustomShape” is the umbrella term for those shapes, which have an
> >> enhanced geometry. These shapes are written as element
> >>  in the file markup in ODF format.
> >> Many of these shapes have handles and shape specific glue points. For
> >> all of these shapes and only for them the tool “Toggle Extrusion” is
> >> active in the UI. Looking at it allows to quickly distinguish a
> >> CustomShape from other kind of shapes.
> >>
> >>
> >> We have already page
> >>
> >>
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/Remarks_on_Fontwork_and_TextWarp
> >> There the spelling "custom-shapes" is used.
> >>
> >>
> >> The Draw guide has "custom shape" in chapter "Text callout".
> >>
> >> In the style dialog in the UI we have on tab 'text' the wording "Custom
> >> Shape Text".
> >>
> >>
> >> I am looking for a spelling that makes clear, that it is a technical
> >> term for a kind of shapes and that "custom" in this context has nothing
> >> to do with "user".
> >>
> >> Kind regards
> >> Regina
> >>
> >>
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Future method for users to report errors in guides?

2022-06-03 Thread Ilmari Lauhakangas


On 3.6.2022 17.29, Peter Schofield wrote:
> Hello Martin
>
> I agree with you. LO needs a simple method of reporting problems with 
the software. Bug reports would put users off reporting problems. Even I 
would prefer a simpler method when I find errors in the software when 
writing the user guides for Impress and Draw.


For doc issues a simple method probably works, but for bug reports we 
can't offer a "customer hotline". Crowdsourced bug triaging needs to be 
based on accounts as the reporter has to give feedback.


Ilmari

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Future method for users to report errors in guides?

2022-06-03 Thread Olivier Hallot


Hi

I've spent time and cleared out the issue with the infra team and it 
will be possible to send a mail to the forum without subscription.


The mail will hit the moderation, though.

If the sender wants to edit or be part of the community he/she will have 
to register, as usual.


The mail address will be set when the documentation forum go live. I 
have no better name to suggest than 
"documentat...@community.documentfoundation.org".


Regards
Olivier

Em 03/06/2022 11:29, Peter Schofield escreveu:

Hello Martin

I agree with you. LO needs a simple method of reporting problems with the 
software. Bug reports would put users off reporting problems. Even I would 
prefer a simpler method when I find errors in the software when writing the 
user guides for Impress and Draw.

Regards

Peter Schofield
Sent from my iPad Mini


On 3 Jun 2022, at 10:04, Martin Srebotnjak  wrote:

You raise an important issue, Jean.

There should be some other very easy way. These are not programmers, they
are not used to filling in bug reports.

What about having a special simple "post" report-form that would be
moderated and only true reports would be then forwarded to the new
discussion system - with some kind of confirmation to the reporter?
There could be a drop-down with a list of entities the bug refers to (UI,
help, wiki, guides) and a text field to describe the error (and a possibly
a field with http of page reference).

It would simplify the process for the reporter (i.e a user) and add some
load to the moderator, yes. The moderator could then forward the report
(with additional info) as a bug report into bugzilla, as well.

If this is all overhead, then we should generate a mail account, like
report.err...@documentation.libreoffice.org and users should write an
e-mail describing the problem they found. The moderator would the forward
them to the new list.

Lp, m.

V V pet., 3. jun. 2022 ob 03:32 je oseba Jean Weber 
napisala:


IMO requiring someone to get a login just to report an error is not
user-friendly at all. In fact, I would describe it as user-hostile.
There must be another (better) way.

Jean


On Fri, Jun 3, 2022 at 7:25 AM Olivier Hallot
 wrote:

Hello Jean

We will have to update the feedback link to the forum.

It will be necessary to get a login.

Kind regards
Olivier
Note: the documentation forum link will be announced later.


Em 02/06/2022 17:16, Jean Weber escreveu:

After the documentation list moves to its new forum, how will users be
advised to report errors in the guides? Currently the copyright pages
direct users to this (docs) mailing list. They do not need to

subscribe to

do so.

Jean



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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Future method for users to report errors in guides?

2022-06-03 Thread Peter Schofield

Hello Martin 

I agree with you. LO needs a simple method of reporting problems with the 
software. Bug reports would put users off reporting problems. Even I would 
prefer a simpler method when I find errors in the software when writing the 
user guides for Impress and Draw.

Regards 

Peter Schofield
Sent from my iPad Mini

> On 3 Jun 2022, at 10:04, Martin Srebotnjak  wrote:
> 
> You raise an important issue, Jean.
> 
> There should be some other very easy way. These are not programmers, they
> are not used to filling in bug reports.
> 
> What about having a special simple "post" report-form that would be
> moderated and only true reports would be then forwarded to the new
> discussion system - with some kind of confirmation to the reporter?
> There could be a drop-down with a list of entities the bug refers to (UI,
> help, wiki, guides) and a text field to describe the error (and a possibly
> a field with http of page reference).
> 
> It would simplify the process for the reporter (i.e a user) and add some
> load to the moderator, yes. The moderator could then forward the report
> (with additional info) as a bug report into bugzilla, as well.
> 
> If this is all overhead, then we should generate a mail account, like
> report.err...@documentation.libreoffice.org and users should write an
> e-mail describing the problem they found. The moderator would the forward
> them to the new list.
> 
> Lp, m.
> 
> V V pet., 3. jun. 2022 ob 03:32 je oseba Jean Weber 
> napisala:
> 
>> IMO requiring someone to get a login just to report an error is not
>> user-friendly at all. In fact, I would describe it as user-hostile.
>> There must be another (better) way.
>> 
>> Jean
>> 
>>> On Fri, Jun 3, 2022 at 7:25 AM Olivier Hallot
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello Jean
>>> 
>>> We will have to update the feedback link to the forum.
>>> 
>>> It will be necessary to get a login.
>>> 
>>> Kind regards
>>> Olivier
>>> Note: the documentation forum link will be announced later.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Em 02/06/2022 17:16, Jean Weber escreveu:
>>>> After the documentation list moves to its new forum, how will users be
>>>> advised to report errors in the guides? Currently the copyright pages
>>>> direct users to this (docs) mailing list. They do not need to
>> subscribe to
>>>> do so.
>>>> 
>>>> Jean
>>>> 
>>> 
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Future method for users to report errors in guides?

2022-06-03 Thread Martin Srebotnjak

You raise an important issue, Jean.

There should be some other very easy way. These are not programmers, they
are not used to filling in bug reports.

What about having a special simple "post" report-form that would be
moderated and only true reports would be then forwarded to the new
discussion system - with some kind of confirmation to the reporter?
There could be a drop-down with a list of entities the bug refers to (UI,
help, wiki, guides) and a text field to describe the error (and a possibly
a field with http of page reference).

It would simplify the process for the reporter (i.e a user) and add some
load to the moderator, yes. The moderator could then forward the report
(with additional info) as a bug report into bugzilla, as well.

If this is all overhead, then we should generate a mail account, like
report.err...@documentation.libreoffice.org and users should write an
e-mail describing the problem they found. The moderator would the forward
them to the new list.

Lp, m.

V V pet., 3. jun. 2022 ob 03:32 je oseba Jean Weber 
napisala:

> IMO requiring someone to get a login just to report an error is not
> user-friendly at all. In fact, I would describe it as user-hostile.
> There must be another (better) way.
>
> Jean
>
> On Fri, Jun 3, 2022 at 7:25 AM Olivier Hallot
>  wrote:
> >
> > Hello Jean
> >
> > We will have to update the feedback link to the forum.
> >
> > It will be necessary to get a login.
> >
> > Kind regards
> > Olivier
> > Note: the documentation forum link will be announced later.
> >
> >
> > Em 02/06/2022 17:16, Jean Weber escreveu:
> > > After the documentation list moves to its new forum, how will users be
> > > advised to report errors in the guides? Currently the copyright pages
> > > direct users to this (docs) mailing list. They do not need to
> subscribe to
> > > do so.
> > >
> > > Jean
> > >
> >
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Future method for users to report errors in guides?

2022-06-02 Thread Jean Weber

IMO requiring someone to get a login just to report an error is not
user-friendly at all. In fact, I would describe it as user-hostile.
There must be another (better) way.

Jean

On Fri, Jun 3, 2022 at 7:25 AM Olivier Hallot
 wrote:
>
> Hello Jean
>
> We will have to update the feedback link to the forum.
>
> It will be necessary to get a login.
>
> Kind regards
> Olivier
> Note: the documentation forum link will be announced later.
>
>
> Em 02/06/2022 17:16, Jean Weber escreveu:
> > After the documentation list moves to its new forum, how will users be
> > advised to report errors in the guides? Currently the copyright pages
> > direct users to this (docs) mailing list. They do not need to subscribe to
> > do so.
> >
> > Jean
> >
>
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] How to spell "CustomShape"

2022-06-02 Thread Regina Henschel


Hi Rafael,

Rafael Lima schrieb am 02.06.2022 um 19:56:

Hi Regina,

In ODF 1.3 part 3, section 10.6 the term "Custom Shapes" is used to
describe the element . So I believe you could use
"Custom Shape(s)" to write this guide. It would be suitable from the
standpoint of developers.


So you mean a sentence like the following would be OK?
Many Custom Shapes have handles to alter the geometry.

Would it be clear that the part "Custom Shapes" should not be translated?

Using "custom shape" with lower case would surely be translated to 
"forme personnalisée" (fr) or "benutzerdefinierte Form" (de), for example.


Or do you have an idea how to write something similar to 
"Fontwork-shape" or "Isosceles Triangle"-shape?

Or so ?
Many "Custom Shape"-shapes have handles to alter the geometry.

Or using a style to make clear that "custom shape" is a technical term? 
Italic for example? 'Small capitals' seem to be not available in the Wiki.


Kind regards,
Regina



Regards,
Rafael Lima

On Thu, Jun 2, 2022 at 11:52 AM Regina Henschel 
wrote:


Hi all,

I'm going to write a Wiki page about CustomShapes addressed to
developers. Text therein will be for example:

1 What is “CustomShape”?
“CustomShape” is a technical term and does not mean “made by the user”.
But “CustomShape” is the umbrella term for those shapes, which have an
enhanced geometry. These shapes are written as element
 in the file markup in ODF format.
Many of these shapes have handles and shape specific glue points. For
all of these shapes and only for them the tool “Toggle Extrusion” is
active in the UI. Looking at it allows to quickly distinguish a
CustomShape from other kind of shapes.


We have already page

https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/Remarks_on_Fontwork_and_TextWarp
There the spelling "custom-shapes" is used.


The Draw guide has "custom shape" in chapter "Text callout".

In the style dialog in the UI we have on tab 'text' the wording "Custom
Shape Text".


I am looking for a spelling that makes clear, that it is a technical
term for a kind of shapes and that "custom" in this context has nothing
to do with "user".

Kind regards
Regina



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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Draw and Impress guides 7.3

2022-06-02 Thread Olivier Hallot


Hi Peter

I have updated the download links to the Published and PDF files in 
Nextcloud.


Kind regards
Olivier

Em 01/06/2022 06:13, Peter Schofield escreveu:

I have corrected the formatting on the Draw and Impress guides 7.3. The 
corrected copies are in their respective Published and PDF folders on NextCloud.

Could someone replace the copies that are on LO Documentation web page at the 
following link:
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Publications#LibreOffice_Impress_Guide
 
<https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Publications#LibreOffice_Impress_Guide>

I do not have access to upload files to this web page.

Regards
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Future method for users to report errors in guides?

2022-06-02 Thread Olivier Hallot


Hello Jean

We will have to update the feedback link to the forum.

It will be necessary to get a login.

Kind regards
Olivier
Note: the documentation forum link will be announced later.


Em 02/06/2022 17:16, Jean Weber escreveu:

After the documentation list moves to its new forum, how will users be
advised to report errors in the guides? Currently the copyright pages
direct users to this (docs) mailing list. They do not need to subscribe to
do so.

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[libreoffice-documentation] Future method for users to report errors in guides?

2022-06-02 Thread Jean Weber

After the documentation list moves to its new forum, how will users be
advised to report errors in the guides? Currently the copyright pages
direct users to this (docs) mailing list. They do not need to subscribe to
do so.

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] How to spell "CustomShape"

2022-06-02 Thread Rafael Lima

Hi Regina,

In ODF 1.3 part 3, section 10.6 the term "Custom Shapes" is used to
describe the element . So I believe you could use
"Custom Shape(s)" to write this guide. It would be suitable from the
standpoint of developers.

Regards,
Rafael Lima

On Thu, Jun 2, 2022 at 11:52 AM Regina Henschel 
wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I'm going to write a Wiki page about CustomShapes addressed to
> developers. Text therein will be for example:
>
> 1 What is “CustomShape”?
> “CustomShape” is a technical term and does not mean “made by the user”.
> But “CustomShape” is the umbrella term for those shapes, which have an
> enhanced geometry. These shapes are written as element
>  in the file markup in ODF format.
> Many of these shapes have handles and shape specific glue points. For
> all of these shapes and only for them the tool “Toggle Extrusion” is
> active in the UI. Looking at it allows to quickly distinguish a
> CustomShape from other kind of shapes.
>
>
> We have already page
>
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/Remarks_on_Fontwork_and_TextWarp
> There the spelling "custom-shapes" is used.
>
>
> The Draw guide has "custom shape" in chapter "Text callout".
>
> In the style dialog in the UI we have on tab 'text' the wording "Custom
> Shape Text".
>
>
> I am looking for a spelling that makes clear, that it is a technical
> term for a kind of shapes and that "custom" in this context has nothing
> to do with "user".
>
> Kind regards
> Regina
>
>
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[libreoffice-documentation] How to spell "CustomShape"

2022-06-02 Thread Regina Henschel


Hi all,

I'm going to write a Wiki page about CustomShapes addressed to 
developers. Text therein will be for example:


1 What is “CustomShape”?
“CustomShape” is a technical term and does not mean “made by the user”. 
But “CustomShape” is the umbrella term for those shapes, which have an 
enhanced geometry. These shapes are written as element 
 in the file markup in ODF format.
Many of these shapes have handles and shape specific glue points. For 
all of these shapes and only for them the tool “Toggle Extrusion” is 
active in the UI. Looking at it allows to quickly distinguish a 
CustomShape from other kind of shapes.



We have already page 
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/Remarks_on_Fontwork_and_TextWarp

There the spelling "custom-shapes" is used.


The Draw guide has "custom shape" in chapter "Text callout".

In the style dialog in the UI we have on tab 'text' the wording "Custom 
Shape Text".



I am looking for a spelling that makes clear, that it is a technical 
term for a kind of shapes and that "custom" in this context has nothing 
to do with "user".


Kind regards
Regina



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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Draw and Impress guides 7.3

2022-06-02 Thread Peter Schofield

Hello
I will be offline for a few days. Going to Copenhagen to enjoy the weekend. 
Back online in a week. 

Regards 

Peter Schofield
Sent from my iPad Mini

> On 2 Jun 2022, at 02:49, Jean Weber  wrote:
> 
> I have replaced those files on the wiki. I cannot replace them on the
> Docs website; Olivier will need to do that.
> Jean
> 
>> On Wed, Jun 1, 2022 at 7:14 PM Peter Schofield  wrote:
>> 
>> I have corrected the formatting on the Draw and Impress guides 7.3. The 
>> corrected copies are in their respective Published and PDF folders on 
>> NextCloud.
>> 
>> Could someone replace the copies that are on LO Documentation web page at 
>> the following link:
>> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Publications#LibreOffice_Impress_Guide
>>  
>> 
>> 
>> I do not have access to upload files to this web page.
>> 
>> Regards
>> Peter Schofield
>> psaut...@gmail.com
>> Technical Writer, LO Documentation Team
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[libreoffice-documentation] Draw Guide 7.3 print copies

2022-06-01 Thread Jean Weber

Here is the link to the print copies of the Draw Guide 7.3:
https://www.lulu.com/en/us/shop/libreoffice-documentation-team/libreoffice-73-draw-guide/paperback/product-p8zvw7.html

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Draw and Impress guides 7.3

2022-06-01 Thread Jean Weber

I have replaced those files on the wiki. I cannot replace them on the
Docs website; Olivier will need to do that.
Jean

On Wed, Jun 1, 2022 at 7:14 PM Peter Schofield  wrote:
>
> I have corrected the formatting on the Draw and Impress guides 7.3. The 
> corrected copies are in their respective Published and PDF folders on 
> NextCloud.
>
> Could someone replace the copies that are on LO Documentation web page at the 
> following link:
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Publications#LibreOffice_Impress_Guide
>  
> 
>
> I do not have access to upload files to this web page.
>
> Regards
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> psaut...@gmail.com
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[libreoffice-documentation] Draw and Impress guides 7.3

2022-06-01 Thread Peter Schofield

I have corrected the formatting on the Draw and Impress guides 7.3. The 
corrected copies are in their respective Published and PDF folders on NextCloud.

Could someone replace the copies that are on LO Documentation web page at the 
following link:
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Publications#LibreOffice_Impress_Guide
 


I do not have access to upload files to this web page.

Regards
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[libreoffice-documentation] Draw Guide

2022-05-31 Thread Peter Schofield

Hello Olivier

Just going through the Draw Guide you uploaded to NextCloud and I am finding 
errors.

1. Chapter page added after the cover page. This is not required as it is 
repeating info found on the cover page. Deleted.
2. Copyright page has been added after each chapter page. This is duplicating 
the copyright page after the front cover and is not required. Deleted.
3. Contents page added after each chapter page. This is not required in the 
full user guide. Deleted.
4. I have corrected the gaps that appear because figures moving to next page.

New ODT and PDF copies placed in NextCloud

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Base Guide 7.2 Chapter "List Box"

2022-05-30 Thread Olivier Hallot


Fixed
Thanks for the Heads-up
Regards
Olivier

Em 30/05/2022 05:56, Robert Großkopf escreveu:

Hi Steve,


Just to clarify, I think that you are referring to Chapter 4 Forms. 
Between Figures 16 and 17 (page 23 in the chapter file), there is a 
list item entitled "Events tab". At the end of that item is the text 
"List box", which should be a heading on a new line, with the Heading 
3 style.


Exactly. I have seen this while there was a post for Listboxes in 
ask.libreoffice and couldn't find this header, special in online version 
of Base Guide 7.2.
See https://books.libreoffice.org/en/BG72/BG7204-Forms.html on the left 
- no list box appears.


Regards

Robert


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[libreoffice-documentation] Print books

I will publish the print edition of the Draw Guide 7.3 this week. I will
also publish any other 7.3 books that get done. After that, someone else
can do it. I’ve written instructions and I can try to help if you run into
problems.

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[libreoffice-documentation] Updates for WG 7.4

I don’t see enough user-facing changes between LO 7.3 and 7.4 to be worth
updating the Writer Guide, so I’m not going to do it. If someone else wants
to, go ahead.

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Base Guide 7.2 Chapter "List Box"

2022-05-30 Thread Robert Großkopf


Hi Steve,


Just to clarify, I think that you are referring to Chapter 4 Forms. 
Between Figures 16 and 17 (page 23 in the chapter file), there is a list 
item entitled "Events tab". At the end of that item is the text "List 
box", which should be a heading on a new line, with the Heading 3 style.


Exactly. I have seen this while there was a post for Listboxes in 
ask.libreoffice and couldn't find this header, special in online version 
of Base Guide 7.2.
See https://books.libreoffice.org/en/BG72/BG7204-Forms.html on the left 
- no list box appears.


Regards

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Base Guide 7.2 Chapter "List Box"

2022-05-30 Thread Steve Fanning


Hi All,

Thanks for that Robert.

Just to clarify, I think that you are referring to Chapter 4 Forms. 
Between Figures 16 and 17 (page 23 in the chapter file), there is a list 
item entitled "Events tab". At the end of that item is the text "List 
box", which should be a heading on a new line, with the Heading 3 style.


Olivier, this problem still exists in the file in the Published folder. 
Would it be possible to correct it before final publication?


Regards,

Steve


On 29/05/2022 16:08, Robert Großkopf wrote:

Hi *,

looking or the chapter "List Box" (Forms → Form Properties → 
Properties of controls → List Box).
Content is there, but header appers at the end of chapter "Formatted 
field" in Base Guide 7.2. So it won't appear as separate entry.

Hope it will be corrected in Base Guide 7.3

Regards

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[libreoffice-documentation] Impress 7.3 print edition published

https://www.lulu.com/en/us/shop/libreoffice-documentation-team/libreoffice-73-impress-guide/paperback/product-5k769p.html

I used Peter’s version of this book, because it is well laid out and looks
professional - unlike Olivier’s version which has messed up a lot of the
page breaks.

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[libreoffice-documentation] Publishing on Lulu, Part 2

I have written the second part of my instructions for publishing LO
user guides on Lulu. This part describes the publishing process
through the Lulu website, using the files created in Part 1.
ODT https://nextcloud.documentfoundation.org/s/bWo99YWJT3aEHLW
PDF https://nextcloud.documentfoundation.org/s/7pWnR4LWdGSqngP

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[libreoffice-documentation] Base Guide 7.2 Chapter "List Box"

2022-05-29 Thread Robert Großkopf


Hi *,

looking or the chapter "List Box" (Forms → Form Properties → Properties 
of controls → List Box).
Content is there, but header appers at the end of chapter "Formatted 
field" in Base Guide 7.2. So it won't appear as separate entry.

Hope it will be corrected in Base Guide 7.3

Regards

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[libreoffice-documentation] Creating files for print copies of LO user guides to be published through Lulu

2022-05-28 Thread Jean Weber

I have written a document describing the files required by Lulu, and
my workflow for producing them. You can find this document in the
Contributor Resources section of NextCloud. I am working on a second
document, describing the publishing process and my recommendations for
the various steps involved. --Jean
ODT https://nextcloud.documentfoundation.org/s/cXbGdbJpspCbdCA
PDF https://nextcloud.documentfoundation.org/s/y5JZsMG9rxJoAQs

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[libreoffice-documentation] More about publishing printed copies of user guides

VERY IMPORTANT
Whoever does the publishing will need to set up a new account, whether at
Lulu or somewhere else. I will not be turning over my account to anyone
else, or allowing anyone else to use it.

SOME BACKGROUND
Around 15 years ago I set up the account at Lulu. At the time it was the
only practical choice for a print-on-demand service for a person or
organisation that does not want to deal with fulfilment. I think it is
still the best choice. One can sell through the Lulu bookstore (with or
without an ISBN) and/or put the book into “global distribution” which gets
it into Amazon and other outlets. (HOWEVER, if you choose global
distribution, you must have an ISBN and the cost of copies is much higher
than if sold only through the Lulu bookstore. Also, the requirements for
PDFs are sometimes more difficult to meet. Long story.)

Many people use Amazon Kindle Direct (which, despite the name, does
paperbacks as well as ebooks), but their choices are more limited, and
potential US tax hassles (or the requirements to legally avoid them) are
greater. I won’t deal with Amazon or their terms of service, but someone
else might not mind.

Jean

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: Process for creating printed books at Lulu

I have tested A5. It is too small for this purpose. The reduction in font
size and line thickness is too great.
Jean

On Sat, 28 May 2022 at 10:22 flywire  wrote:

> Throwing another one into the mix.
>
> A5 is also a popular size and printer drivers normally have an option to
> print A4 at 2 per page resulting in A5 (148mm x 210mm - 70.7%). It's often
> a convenient size to halve the number of printed pages from a desktop
> printer for a booklet or chapter.
>
> Anything designed for A4 is normally fine at A5 as long as the content
> doesn't contain small fonts, like reduced charts and maps with text, which
> need to be read. The intended audience needs to be considered; from about
> age 40 it is common for eyesight to start to deteriorate making it harder
> to focus on smaller objects.
>
> Regards
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Process for creating printed books at Lulu

I have put a sample interior file for 6x9-inch print copies in the
Community Resources section on NextCloud, so you can see what it looks
like. - Jean
https://nextcloud.documentfoundation.org/s/gkcwt2pyybTReCD

On Sat, May 28, 2022 at 12:06 AM Olivier Hallot
 wrote:
>
> Hello Jean
>
> Em 24/05/2022 21:50, Jean Weber escreveu:
> > Hello Olivier and Docs Team,
> >
> > I have started writing up my process for creating printed books
> > through Lulu. Some steps may need to be modified if Olivier or someone
> > else takes this over who does not use a Mac. I will explain.
> >
> > I do the printed books in a 6x9-inch size, not the full A4 of the
> > PDFs. This is to save printing costs and thus the cost to purchasers.
> > Lulu requires a book file (PDF) to be provided in the selected page
> > size, so I have to create a suitable file. It is quick and easy to do
> > on a Mac: I use the Mac's built-in Preview app to "print" the original
> > A4 PDF to a PDF with a 6x9-inch page size. I do not know what the
> > equivalent method may be on Windows or Linux. I may have asked this
> > question here before, but I do not recall the answer (if any).
>
> If I get it right, the A4 page is shrunk into a 6x9in, right? It is
> *not* the same as rezising the page styles to 6x9in page (where text
> will reflow and total pages will increase accordingly).
>
> My maths says the book is ~75% the size of the current A4 document, same
> number of pages.
>
> I'll test this operation in Linux (I think it is feasible)
>
> >
> > Of course, someone else could avoid that step and produce the books
> > full-size (A4) and purchasers would have to pay the extra printing
> > cost (probably double) and postage cost. Thoughts?
>
> I admit I have not purchased one of Lulu prints, but I guess font size
> and image quality won't suffer.
>
> >
> > (There are some other issues to consider, which are unrelated to the
> > page size. I will mention them in separate notes.)
>
> A wiki page on the topic, with do's and don'ts is my suggestion.
>
> Regards
> Olivier
>
> >
> > Jean
> >
>
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[libreoffice-documentation] Re: Process for creating printed books at Lulu

Obviously, the easiest solution is to have someone with a Mac shrink the
pages, after they or someone else (such as Olivier) has done some necessary
pre-processing. Olivier or whoever can then do the rest of the publishing
process.

I will write separately about pre-processing and the rest of the publishing
process. The 6x9-inch covers are also an issue, which I will write about.

Jean

On Wed, 25 May 2022 at 10:50 Jean Weber  wrote:

> Hello Olivier and Docs Team,
>
> I have started writing up my process for creating printed books
> through Lulu. Some steps may need to be modified if Olivier or someone
> else takes this over who does not use a Mac. I will explain.
>
> I do the printed books in a 6x9-inch size, not the full A4 of the
> PDFs. This is to save printing costs and thus the cost to purchasers.
> Lulu requires a book file (PDF) to be provided in the selected page
> size, so I have to create a suitable file. It is quick and easy to do
> on a Mac: I use the Mac's built-in Preview app to "print" the original
> A4 PDF to a PDF with a 6x9-inch page size. I do not know what the
> equivalent method may be on Windows or Linux. I may have asked this
> question here before, but I do not recall the answer (if any).
>
> Of course, someone else could avoid that step and produce the books
> full-size (A4) and purchasers would have to pay the extra printing
> cost (probably double) and postage cost. Thoughts?
>
> (There are some other issues to consider, which are unrelated to the
> page size. I will mention them in separate notes.)
>
> Jean
>

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Getting Started LO 7.4


Hi Jean

I'll take over this task, but will glad to handover to another team 
member and be the Plan B.


I've added the 7.4 covers and a draft master document to the WIP folder.

Spreadsheet updated.

Regards
Olivier

Em 20/05/2022 01:11, Jean Weber escreveu:

Team,

If Olivier and/or other team members want to update the Getting Started
Guide to 7.4, someone will need to be its coordinator. I will not be
available to fill the role for that book.

Jean



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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Bug 135501 - Change the default UI


In the last 2 days I changed the UI to the Notebook bar.

Naturally, I found myself dizzy like a drunk cockroach(*).

The access to style is obscured and I could not find the full Search and 
replace dialog, except by typing Ctrl+H.


I'll keep trying,  anyway.

Regards
Olivier
(*) local idiomatic expression

Em 22/05/2022 09:24, Ilmari Lauhakangas escreveu:
Before we make a decision about the default UI, I would like to see 
designers come up with improvements on how styles are presented in all 
the UIs: https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=149230


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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Process for creating printed books at Lulu


Hello Jean

Em 24/05/2022 21:50, Jean Weber escreveu:

Hello Olivier and Docs Team,

I have started writing up my process for creating printed books
through Lulu. Some steps may need to be modified if Olivier or someone
else takes this over who does not use a Mac. I will explain.

I do the printed books in a 6x9-inch size, not the full A4 of the
PDFs. This is to save printing costs and thus the cost to purchasers.
Lulu requires a book file (PDF) to be provided in the selected page
size, so I have to create a suitable file. It is quick and easy to do
on a Mac: I use the Mac's built-in Preview app to "print" the original
A4 PDF to a PDF with a 6x9-inch page size. I do not know what the
equivalent method may be on Windows or Linux. I may have asked this
question here before, but I do not recall the answer (if any).


If I get it right, the A4 page is shrunk into a 6x9in, right? It is 
*not* the same as rezising the page styles to 6x9in page (where text 
will reflow and total pages will increase accordingly).


My maths says the book is ~75% the size of the current A4 document, same 
number of pages.


I'll test this operation in Linux (I think it is feasible)



Of course, someone else could avoid that step and produce the books
full-size (A4) and purchasers would have to pay the extra printing
cost (probably double) and postage cost. Thoughts?


I admit I have not purchased one of Lulu prints, but I guess font size 
and image quality won't suffer.




(There are some other issues to consider, which are unrelated to the
page size. I will mention them in separate notes.)


A wiki page on the topic, with do's and don'ts is my suggestion.

Regards
Olivier



Jean



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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Impress Guide 7.3

d I replace the existing files in the Published folder?. Please let
me know.

Kind regards
Olivier

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https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/DocumentationTeamInfo/ProducingLibreOfficeUserGuides#How_to_insert_images_into_ODT_files


Em 17/05/2022 06:06, Peter Schofield escreveu:

The complete Impress Guide 7.3 is now in the Published and PDF folders on 
NextCloud ready to be released.

If anyone wants to review and comment, then please do so.

Now to complete the Draw Guide 7.3 and get it ready for publishing.

Regards
Peter Schofield
psaut...@gmail.com
Technical Writer, LO Documentation Team




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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Impress Guide 7.3