> The only thing it seems you can't do is compress to S3TC in
> the driver, but I really don't see why that is ever needed?
You need it if you store your source art in a different format on disk (e.g.
using jpeg) and don't want to deal with compression yourself - I believe
e.g. Quake III does thi
Am 2003.12.29 21:23:45 +0100 schrieb(en) Daniel Vogel:
[...]
>
> I believe exposing the GL_EXT_texture_compression_s3tc and
> GL_ARB_texture_compression extensions implies the driver to handle S3TC
> compression as an application can pass in uncompressed data, ask the driver
> to compress it and t
On Llu, 2003-12-29 at 19:52, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> Especially a patch that only passes the compressed textures down to the
> hardware - it might make sense to not even have a software fallback.
> After all, the only people who care about this patch are game users, and
> those people likely do n
> > I believe exposing the GL_EXT_texture_compression_s3tc and
> > GL_ARB_texture_compression extensions implies the driver to
> > handle S3TC compression as an application can pass in
> > uncompressed data, ask the driver to compress it and then
> > retrieve the compressed data.
>
> The spec a
Daniel Vogel wrote:
I believe exposing the GL_EXT_texture_compression_s3tc and
GL_ARB_texture_compression extensions implies the driver to handle S3TC
compression as an application can pass in uncompressed data, ask the driver
to compress it and then retrieve the compressed data.
The spec allows t
Adam K Kirchhoff wrote:
BTW, since I originally asked this question, the general tone of the
discussion has been positive and the general consensus seems to be that
simply uploading the compressed textures to the card, and allowing the
hardware to handle the decompression is not a violation of the
On Mon, 29 Dec 2003, Ian Romanick wrote:
> I am not a lawyer. None of what follows is legal advice. Furthermore,
> I am speaking for myself alone, NOT my employer.
>
> Adam K Kirchhoff wrote:
> > On Mon, 29 Dec 2003, Ian Romanick wrote:
> >>Adam K Kirchhoff wrote:
> >>
> >>>Now that there are p
On Mon, 29 Dec 2003, Daniel Vogel wrote:
>
> FWIW, for the longest time SiS (now XGI) didn't have S3TC support for their
> Xabre Windows OpenGL drivers though supported it via DirectX/Direct3D. I
> guess they didn't feel like licensing the patent from a competitor.
Interesting.
> I believe expo
> It's pretty much guaranteed that anybody who has a modern
> graphics card has already been licensed for the patent,
> since the hw manufacturers would have done so already.
FWIW, for the longest time SiS (now XGI) didn't have S3TC support for their
Xabre Windows OpenGL drivers though supported
I am not a lawyer. None of what follows is legal advice. Furthermore,
I am speaking for myself alone, NOT my employer.
Adam K Kirchhoff wrote:
On Mon, 29 Dec 2003, Ian Romanick wrote:
Adam K Kirchhoff wrote:
Now that there are patches available to support S3TC compressed textures
on Radeon car
On Mon, 29 Dec 2003, Matt Sealey wrote:
>
> Ian: wouldn't it be possible to have an "official patch", for compressed
> texture stuff, that tracks the trees & releases?
I think that would be good, if somebody maintains it. It's pretty much
guaranteed that anybody who has a modern graphics card
go talk to
Apple's licensing guys..
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From: "Adam K Kirchhoff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Ian Romanick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: "DRI developer's list" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, December 29, 2003 10
BTW, since I originally asked this question, the general tone of the
discussion has been positive and the general consensus seems to be that
simply uploading the compressed textures to the card, and allowing the
hardware to handle the decompression is not a violation of the patents in
question.
P
On Mon, 29 Dec 2003, Ian Romanick wrote:
> Adam K Kirchhoff wrote:
> > Now that there are patches available to support S3TC compressed textures
> > on Radeon cards, are there any plans to integrate those patches into the
> > DRI source tree?
>
> Until an agreement can be reached between the open-
Adam K Kirchhoff wrote:
Now that there are patches available to support S3TC compressed textures
on Radeon cards, are there any plans to integrate those patches into the
DRI source tree?
Until an agreement can be reached between the open-source community and
the patent holder, IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN
> I don't think S3, VIA and friends even know who actually owns it right
> now.
S3Graphics (subsiduary of VIA) is the patent holder with Nadeem Mohammad
being the contact person about licensing there.
-- Daniel, Epic Games Inc.
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As far as i know, software patents are not even legal in europe yet.
Hopefully they won't ever be... So, at least in europe, there shouldn't
be any problem using S3TC compression algorithm. Well that's all i
wanted to say... Bye
Le lun 29/12/2003 à 00:16, Alan Cox a écrit :
> On Sul, 2003-12-28
On Sul, 2003-12-28 at 17:16, Roland Scheidegger wrote:
> btw I don't think you can lose a patent, even in europe. You can lose
> trademarks if you don't defend them. If a patent is actually valid and
> can be enforced (bascially court will decide this, not patent office) is
> a different matter
On Sul, 2003-12-28 at 16:55, Dieter NÃtzel wrote:
> We have asked (S3/VIA etc.) so many times for advice, but haven't had any
> definitive answer, even sometimes NO answer at all.
I don't think S3, VIA and friends even know who actually owns it right
now.
You need to distinguish between:
Roland Scheidegger wrote:
> Hiroshi Morii wrote:
> > Just wanted to mention that the "old" 3Dfx compression tool is available
at
> > glide.sourceforge.net. It's called TEXUS2 and is included in the Glide
> > "swlib" CVS module. It's a generic library that includes DXTn
compression.
> ah crap that s
On Sun, 28 Dec 2003, Jacek [iso-8859-2] Popławski wrote:
> On Sun, Dec 28, 2003 at 11:08:26AM -0500, Adam K Kirchhoff wrote:
> > Why not just leave it up to RedHat, then, to either leave the code in or
> > pull it out?
>
> RedHat was just example. Point is that patent holder may sue anyone who:
>
Am Sonntag, 28. Dezember 2003 18:16 schrieb Roland Scheidegger:
> Dieter Nützel wrote:
> > Am Sonntag, 28. Dezember 2003 17:08 schrieb Adam K Kirchhoff:
> >>On Sun, 28 Dec 2003, Jacek [iso-8859-2] Popławski wrote:
> >>>On Sun, Dec 28, 2003 at 10:23:17AM -0500, Adam K Kirchhoff wrote:
> Now that
Dieter Nützel wrote:
Am Sonntag, 28. Dezember 2003 17:08 schrieb Adam K Kirchhoff:
On Sun, 28 Dec 2003, Jacek [iso-8859-2] Popławski wrote:
On Sun, Dec 28, 2003 at 10:23:17AM -0500, Adam K Kirchhoff wrote:
Now that there are patches available to support S3TC compressed
textures on Radeon cards,
Am Sonntag, 28. Dezember 2003 17:08 schrieb Adam K Kirchhoff:
> On Sun, 28 Dec 2003, Jacek [iso-8859-2] Popławski wrote:
> > On Sun, Dec 28, 2003 at 10:23:17AM -0500, Adam K Kirchhoff wrote:
> > > Now that there are patches available to support S3TC compressed
> > > textures on Radeon cards, are th
On Sun, Dec 28, 2003 at 11:08:26AM -0500, Adam K Kirchhoff wrote:
> Why not just leave it up to RedHat, then, to either leave the code in or
> pull it out?
RedHat was just example. Point is that patent holder may sue anyone who:
- will release XFree86 version with S3TC support
- has some money
On Sun, 28 Dec 2003, Jacek [iso-8859-2] Popławski wrote:
> On Sun, Dec 28, 2003 at 10:23:17AM -0500, Adam K Kirchhoff wrote:
> > Now that there are patches available to support S3TC compressed textures
> > on Radeon cards, are there any plans to integrate those patches into the
> > DRI source tre
On Sun, Dec 28, 2003 at 10:23:17AM -0500, Adam K Kirchhoff wrote:
> Now that there are patches available to support S3TC compressed textures
> on Radeon cards, are there any plans to integrate those patches into the
> DRI source tree?
I think there is one little problem:
- S3TC included into DRI
Hiroshi Morii wrote:
Just wanted to mention that the "old" 3Dfx compression tool is available at
glide.sourceforge.net. It's called TEXUS2 and is included in the Glide
"swlib" CVS module. It's a generic library that includes DXTn compression.
ah crap that seems to be exactly what I was looking for
de.sourceforge.net
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To: "Roland Scheidegger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: "Adam K Kirchhoff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, December 27, 2003 10:57 PM
Am Samstag, 27. Dezember 2003 02:47 schrieb Roland Scheidegger:
> Dieter Nützel wrote:
> > Am Freitag, 26. Dezember 2003 17:46 schrieb Adam K Kirchhoff:
> >>Just wanted to say that Roland's S3TC patches work incredibly well on my
> >>8500 with NWN. I can now get just as high quality textures with
Dieter Nützel wrote:
Am Freitag, 26. Dezember 2003 17:46 schrieb Adam K Kirchhoff:
Just wanted to say that Roland's S3TC patches work incredibly well on my
8500 with NWN. I can now get just as high quality textures with the DRI
drivers as I do with the FireGL drivers :-)
Roland, do you have a n
Am Freitag, 26. Dezember 2003 17:46 schrieb Adam K Kirchhoff:
> Just wanted to say that Roland's S3TC patches work incredibly well on my
> 8500 with NWN. I can now get just as high quality textures with the DRI
> drivers as I do with the FireGL drivers :-)
Roland, do you have a new version (after
Roland Scheidegger wrote:
Ian Romanick wrote:
This is wrong, and may break valid applications. The supported
compressed formats should be listed no matter what.
Ok, I'll drop that. It was really just a crazy idea, though I've figured
out it won't do any good anyways (apps like QuakeIII will alw
Ian Romanick wrote:
Since I'm not a lawyer, I'm not going to comment on any of the IP
legality of this patch. I am in no way offering any form of legal
advice. I do have a comment about the correctness of it that may also
apply to similar future (i.e., FXT1) patches.
Roland Scheidegger wrote:
Since I'm not a lawyer, I'm not going to comment on any of the IP
legality of this patch. I am in no way offering any form of legal
advice. I do have a comment about the correctness of it that may also
apply to similar future (i.e., FXT1) patches.
Roland Scheidegger wrote:
Index: texcompress
Jacek Popławski wrote:
On Thu, Dec 18, 2003 at 02:43:09AM +0100, Roland Scheidegger wrote:
and I don't know if any open-source
compressors exist which could easily be included in mesa
On Thu, Dec 18, 2003 at 02:43:09AM +0100, Roland Scheidegger wrote:
> and I don't know if any open-source
>
> compressors exist which could easily be included in mesa
>
Am Dienstag, 15. Juli 2003 16:08 schrieb Marci:
> Hi all , I've read on the FAQ page of dri.sf.net of the possibility to use
> FXT1 in order to decompress S3TC textures , but I haven't understand well
> if this is possible or not
Read the archive:
http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=dri-devel&r=1&w=
On Mon, Feb 24, 2003 at 06:44:05PM -0800, Ian Romanick wrote:
> Sven Luther wrote:
> >On Mon, Feb 24, 2003 at 09:48:42AM -0800, Ian Romanick wrote:
> >
> >>What about apps that send uncompressed textures into the driver, expect
> >>the driver to compress then, and then read the textures back? Acc
Sven Luther wrote:
On Mon, Feb 24, 2003 at 09:48:42AM -0800, Ian Romanick wrote:
What about apps that send uncompressed textures into the driver, expect
the driver to compress then, and then read the textures back? According
to the spec, the textures app will read-back compressed data. I don't
On Mon, Feb 24, 2003 at 09:48:42AM -0800, Ian Romanick wrote:
> Sven Luther wrote:
> >Is there not a way to work around this ?
> >
> >If the hardware doesn't support s3tc, then the driver simply don't
> >advertize the that it can handle s3tc textures, so you would get out of
> >the need to decompre
Sven Luther wrote:
Is there not a way to work around this ?
If the hardware doesn't support s3tc, then the driver simply don't
advertize the that it can handle s3tc textures, so you would get out of
the need to decompress the textures in the driver. On the other hand, if
it is not possible to tell
> > Can we add this to the FAQ, please?
>
> The FAQ is editable by anyone isn't it?
No, but anyone can add a FAQ, if they could edit / delete them that would
be none too wise, which is why I advise not to mess it up (because then I
have to fix it).
Liam
it depends
On Sun, 2003-02-23 at 11:24, Dieter Nützel wrote:
> > I have a meeting with the vice president of VIA scheduled on Jan 2nd or
> > 3rd. Thats not public info and S3TC isnt the primary item but I will
> > mention it.
>
> Sorry, second try. I had forgotten to CC DRI-Devel.
>
> Alan,
>
> what came o
Am Donnerstag, 19. Dezember 2002 19:02 schrieb Alan Cox:
> On Thu, 2002-12-19 at 04:40, Dieter Nützel wrote:
> > But without kidding, couldn't you as THE well known OSS proponent get in
> > contact with VIA the owner of S3?
> >
> > Several people (even Brian Paul) tried to get some wisdom out of th
On Fri, Feb 21, 2003 at 03:27:21PM -0800, Ian Romanick wrote:
> Look at the ARB_texture_compression and EXT_texture_compression_s3tc
> specs again. You can specify uncompressed textures and have the driver
> compress the AND you can specify compressed textures and have the driver
> decompress them
> > OK, I don't exactly want to stir up this hornets nest *again*, but a
> > couple of things aren't entirely clear to me and I'd appreciate any
> > clarifications.
> >
> > As I understand it, the situation is as follows:
> >
> > The S3TC algorithm is patented and therefore no-one can distribute
On Fri, Feb 21, 2003 at 03:27:21PM -0800, Ian Romanick wrote:
> >Now, if an OpenGL application has a pile of textures already
> >compressed with the S3TC algorithm, then I don't understand why the
> >dri drivers can't simply offer the S3TC interfaces to the hardware,
> >pass the compressed textures
Philip Armstrong wrote:
OK, I don't exactly want to stir up this hornets nest *again*, but a
couple of things aren't entirely clear to me and I'd appreciate any
clarifications.
As I understand it, the situation is as follows:
The S3TC algorithm is patented and therefore no-one can distribute an
im
> The only problem is that this extension is an "X" extension, and isn't
ATI recently promoted it to ATI_texture_env_combine3.
> listed in the extension registry. The net result is that the enums for
> it aren't in the "standard" glext.h file. I know that Brian hasn't
> wanted to hand-edit gle
On Thu, 2 Jan 2003, Ian Romanick wrote:
> Daniel Vogel wrote:
> > i tried it again with the last couple of updates and it does load and
> > run i can configure it but it did freeze apon loading a level
> > i also noticed ut2k3's log full of
> >
> > Log: OpenGL Error: GL_INVALID_ENUM (UOpenGLRende
Daniel Vogel wrote:
i tried it again with the last couple of updates and it does load and
run i can configure it but it did freeze apon loading a level
i also noticed ut2k3's log full of
Log: OpenGL Error: GL_INVALID_ENUM (UOpenGLRenderDevice::Unlock)
(if anyone wants the full log let me know)
> i tried it again with the last couple of updates and it does load and
> run i can configure it but it did freeze apon loading a level
> i also noticed ut2k3's log full of
>
> Log: OpenGL Error: GL_INVALID_ENUM (UOpenGLRenderDevice::Unlock)
> (if anyone wants the full log let me know)
I think it
On Sat, 2002-12-21 at 11:35, Bret Towe wrote:
> On Sat, 2002-12-21 at 05:20, Adam K Kirchhoff wrote:
> >
> > Hey folks,
> >
> > Wasn't sure if you guys were aware of this, but there's a new
> > patch out for ut2k that removes the requirement for an OpenGL driver which
> > supports S3TC.
>
magenta wrote:
On Sat, Dec 21, 2002 at 08:20:59AM -0500, Adam K Kirchhoff wrote:
Hey folks,
Wasn't sure if you guys were aware of this, but there's a new
patch out for ut2k that removes the requirement for an OpenGL driver which
supports S3TC.
I applied the patch and attempted to play the
On Sat, Dec 21, 2002 at 08:20:59AM -0500, Adam K Kirchhoff wrote:
>
> Hey folks,
>
> Wasn't sure if you guys were aware of this, but there's a new
> patch out for ut2k that removes the requirement for an OpenGL driver which
> supports S3TC.
>
> I applied the patch and attempted to
On Sat, 2002-12-21 at 08:21, Adam K Kirchhoff wrote:
>
> Unfortunately, it doesn't look like they've patched the demo... I'm not
> sure if they have any plans on doing so.
taking the gl render from the full game and putting it in place of the demo's
render might allow it to work
> Adam
>
> O
On Sat, 2002-12-21 at 05:20, Adam K Kirchhoff wrote:
>
> Hey folks,
>
> Wasn't sure if you guys were aware of this, but there's a new
> patch out for ut2k that removes the requirement for an OpenGL driver which
> supports S3TC.
>
> I applied the patch and attempted to play the game
Unfortunately, it doesn't look like they've patched the demo... I'm not
sure if they have any plans on doing so.
Adam
On Sat, 21 Dec 2002, Dieter [iso-8859-1] Nützel wrote:
> Am Samstag, 21. Dezember 2002 14:20 schrieb Adam K Kirchhoff:
> > Hey folks,
> >
> > Wasn't sure if you guys were a
On Fri, Dec 20, 2002 at 03:54:59PM -0500, Adam K Kirchhoff wrote:
> > I find it somehow ironic that the best way to find out who owns/enforces
> > the patent is to ignore them, and violate the patent.
>
> If you're not worried about a potential lawsuit, go for it. No one's
> stopping you.
Is it
On Fri, 20 Dec 2002, Russ Dill wrote:
>
> > As for talking to S3, the contact I had was apparently a dead end. With all
> > the mergers/spin-offs/acquisitions that S3 has gone through in recent years
> > (Sonic Blue, Via, Diamond, ATI) it's not clear who might even own the patents
> > anymor
> As for talking to S3, the contact I had was apparently a dead end. With all
> the mergers/spin-offs/acquisitions that S3 has gone through in recent years
> (Sonic Blue, Via, Diamond, ATI) it's not clear who might even own the patents
> anymore.
>
I find it somehow ironic that the best way
Am Freitag, 20. Dezember 2002 19:58 schrieb magenta:
> On Fri, Dec 20, 2002 at 03:29:35PM +0100, Dieter Nützel wrote:
> > Am Freitag, 20. Dezember 2002 14:38 schrieb Alexander Stohr:
> >
> > [-]
> >
> > > And thats why all the world on the stock marked emphasizes on their
> > > patents protfolio, i
magenta writes:
> On Fri, Dec 20, 2002 at 03:29:35PM +0100, Dieter Nützel wrote:
> > Am Freitag, 20. Dezember 2002 14:38 schrieb Alexander Stohr:
> >
> > [-]
> >
> > > And thats why all the world on the stock marked emphasizes on their
> > > patents protfolio, its money and power that thos
On Fri, Dec 20, 2002 at 03:29:35PM +0100, Dieter Nützel wrote:
> Am Freitag, 20. Dezember 2002 14:38 schrieb Alexander Stohr:
>
> [-]
>
> > And thats why all the world on the stock marked emphasizes on their
> > patents protfolio, its money and power that those patenst sometimes
> > do represent.
On Thursday 19 December 2002 11:39 pm, you wrote:
> Couldn't this be a "general" API to get missing stuff (e.g. ATI's "Smooth
> Vision", "HyperZ" etc.) into the DRI? Something like to get (binary) addon
> modules into the tree.
>
> What do you think?
Probably a very good idea--then vendors coul
On Fri, 20 Dec 2002, Dieter [iso-8859-1] Nützel wrote:
> Am Freitag, 20. Dezember 2002 14:38 schrieb Alexander Stohr:
>
> [-]
>
> > And thats why all the world on the stock marked emphasizes on their
> > patents protfolio, its money and power that those patenst sometimes
> > do represent. Of co
Am Freitag, 20. Dezember 2002 14:38 schrieb Alexander Stohr:
[-]
> And thats why all the world on the stock marked emphasizes on their
> patents protfolio, its money and power that those patenst sometimes
> do represent. Of course there is much vapourware, but such key
> technologies like S3TC th
Title: RE: [Dri-devel] S3TC
sorry, you are so false in several important points
that i have to reply to you in public via the list.
andy ross wrote:
> magenta wrote:
> > But they're not transferring the license to others, they're just
> > providing a referenc
Am Donnerstag, 19. Dezember 2002 05:10 schrieb Linus Torvalds:
> On Wed, 18 Dec 2002, magenta wrote:
> > By implementing S3TC without a patent license, the DRI team would be
> > opening the DRI project up for potential litigation.
>
> On the other hand, by being too timid, the DRI team can also eve
Am Donnerstag, 19. Dezember 2002 16:32 schrieb Thomas Dodd:
> Nicholas Leippe wrote:
> >On Wednesday 18 December 2002 11:20 pm, you wrote:
> >>On Wed, Dec 18, 2002 at 08:10:30PM -0800, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> >>>You have to balance things out. Yes, the US is litiginous, and clearly
> >>> way too mu
On Thu, Dec 19, 2002 at 12:43:48PM -0800, Andy Ross wrote:
> magenta wrote:
> > But they're not transferring the license to others, they're just
> > providing a reference implementation. nVidia themselves wouldn't be
> > sued for it, but someone releasing new software using that
> > implementa
Geoffrey Antos wrote:
I believe that it is safe to go ahead and implement S3TC texture
decompression code in DRI.
I don't understand why it is not possible for DRI to support S3TC on
hardware that implements it. In this case the DRI wouldn't be
*implementing* S3TC, just handing over pre-compre
Ian Romanick wrote:
> Andy Ross wrote:
> > And there is no one involved with DRI with assets to pay such an
> > award anyway.
>
> Except all the distros.
How is that an argument against DRI implementing S3TC? If the
distribution vendors don't want to ship it because of liability
concerns, then th
On Thu, Dec 19, 2002 at 11:32:02AM -0800, Linus Torvalds wrote:
>
> On Thu, 19 Dec 2002, Ian Romanick wrote:
> >
> > On Thu, Dec 19, 2002 at 10:59:24AM -0800, Andy Ross wrote:
> > > And there is no one involved with DRI with assets to
> > > pay such an award anyway.
> >
> > Except all the distros
magenta wrote:
> But they're not transferring the license to others, they're just
> providing a reference implementation. nVidia themselves wouldn't be
> sued for it, but someone releasing new software using that
> implementation could be.
By that same logic, DRI can't be sued for providing the c
Thomas Dodd wrote:
Nicholas Leippe wrote:
On Wednesday 18 December 2002 11:20 pm, you wrote:
On Wed, Dec 18, 2002 at 08:10:30PM -0800, Linus Torvalds wrote:
You have to balance things out. Yes, the US is litiginous, and
clearly way
too much so. Is the answer to just cower in a hole and
On Thu, 19 Dec 2002, Ian Romanick wrote:
>
> On Thu, Dec 19, 2002 at 10:59:24AM -0800, Andy Ross wrote:
> > And there is no one involved with DRI with assets to
> > pay such an award anyway.
>
> Except all the distros.
I think that even wilful patent infringement only means "triple damages"
(p
On Thu, Dec 19, 2002 at 10:59:24AM -0800, Andy Ross wrote:
> magenta wrote:
> > You don't understand how patents work, do you? All of those people
> > (except OpenIL, anyway) have licensed the algorithm itself. The
> > algorithm is freely-available (it's even part of the patent
> > documents)
On Thu, Dec 19, 2002 at 10:59:24AM -0800, Andy Ross wrote:
> And there is no one involved with DRI with assets to
> pay such an award anyway.
Except all the distros.
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magenta wrote:
> You don't understand how patents work, do you? All of those people
> (except OpenIL, anyway) have licensed the algorithm itself. The
> algorithm is freely-available (it's even part of the patent
> documents). The problem is that S3 haven't released the patent to the
> public dom
On Wed, 18 Dec 2002, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> On Wed, 18 Dec 2002, magenta wrote:
> >
> > By implementing S3TC without a patent license, the DRI team would be
> > opening the DRI project up for potential litigation.
>
> On the other hand, by being too timid, the DRI team can also eventually
> doom
Nicholas Leippe wrote:
On Wednesday 18 December 2002 11:20 pm, you wrote:
On Wed, Dec 18, 2002 at 08:10:30PM -0800, Linus Torvalds wrote:
You have to balance things out. Yes, the US is litiginous, and clearly way
too much so. Is the answer to just cower in a hole and hope it passes?
May
On Wed, 18 Dec 2002, magenta wrote:
>
> Also, what about doing hardware-only support, and just breaking for
> software fallback? Then it'd be up to the hardware (which ostensibly has a
> license) to implement the algorithm.
That sounds like a good approach (and almost certainly acceptable for
g
On Wednesday 18 December 2002 11:20 pm, you wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 18, 2002 at 08:10:30PM -0800, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> >
> > You have to balance things out. Yes, the US is litiginous, and clearly way
> > too much so. Is the answer to just cower in a hole and hope it passes?
> > Maybe. And maybe no
On Wed, Dec 18, 2002 at 08:10:30PM -0800, Linus Torvalds wrote:
>
> You have to balance things out. Yes, the US is litiginous, and clearly way
> too much so. Is the answer to just cower in a hole and hope it passes?
> Maybe. And maybe not.
Maybe the proper course of action would be to try to come
Am Donnerstag, 19. Dezember 2002 05:40 schrieb Dieter Nützel:
> Am Donnerstag, 19. Dezember 2002 05:10 schrieb Linus Torvalds:
> Marry Christmas
Ever anger with Marry... *LOL*
Merry Christmas!
-Dieter
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On Wed, 18 Dec 2002, magenta wrote:
>
> By implementing S3TC without a patent license, the DRI team would be
> opening the DRI project up for potential litigation.
On the other hand, by being too timid, the DRI team can also eventually
doom itself to obscurity. If everybody else supports S3TC, a
On Wed, Dec 18, 2002 at 10:14:16PM -0500, Geoffrey Antos wrote:
> I believe that it is safe to go ahead and implement S3TC texture
> decompression code in DRI.
>
>
>
> Thus, there are many indications that S3TC can be used for Open Source
> projects without fear.
You don't understand how patent
On Thu, 2002-11-07 at 09:34, Ian Molton wrote:
> If anyone can do this before christmas, I can put it on my server here
> in the UK, where it is (until about christmas) still legal to reverse
> engineer for the purposes of fair use (ie. using the hardware you
> purchased).
It is after christmas as
On Thu, 7 Nov 2002 01:40:15 +0100
Dieter Nützel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > No progress. I've pinged S3 every two weeks or so, but haven't
> > received a reply since over a month ago.
>
> Sad, very sad...
>
> ...it seems to me that we do NOT get much ear at VIA/S3.
>
> I'll do not buy any p
Am Donnerstag, 7. November 2002 01:25 schrieb Brian Paul:
> Dieter Nützel wrote:
> > Thanks,
> > Dieter
> >
> > PS Just another XFree86 release without UT2003 etc...?
>
> No progress. I've pinged S3 every two weeks or so, but haven't received
> a reply since over a month ago.
Sad, very sad...
Dieter Nützel wrote:
Thanks,
Dieter
PS Just another XFree86 release without UT2003 etc...?
No progress. I've pinged S3 every two weeks or so, but haven't received
a reply since over a month ago.
-Brian
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