[DX-CHAT] KP5
I've been reading everyone's thoughts on this subject and the picture is that none of us know the real story regarding the operation. Probably never will. I don't understand the comments "that this has given us a black eye". The way I see it, that two guys asked for permission, it was granted, they got a free ride, someone felt their toe get smashed and terminated it. It didn't cost me a thing! Best regards,Chuck-K7PT
Re: [DX-CHAT] KP5
Actually the KP1-KP5 guys got the Congress involved last fall in a great attempt to get the FWS to open up KP1 and KP5. In fact, it was Rep. Rahall who was the sponsor of H.R. 1183. Whoever has his ear obviously contributed big time to the Club Fed report. It was very critical of the FWS for failing to be consistent on not permitting ham radio operations for others. The problem is, by criticising the hams that did operate and causing the fuss while they were on the island the hams that are behind Rahall this time gave all ham radio a black eye. It may very well be a different ham who had this temper trantrum and nothing to do with the earlier group. 73 Don N1DG At 08:24 PM 6/29/2006, you wrote: Well Chuck it did give us a BLACK EYE because it got the U.S. Congress evolved. Rod WC7N - N1DG--Licensed since 1962 EX-WB2DND, A61AD (GUEST OP, QSL MGR), A52DG, /KH9, /BV, /VS6, /4X, /9V Pilot: 3Y0X, VK9ML, D68C, VK0IR, K8XP/KH9, 9M0C, ZK1XXP, ZL9CI Webmaster: 3Y0X, K5K, A52A, VK0IR, 9M0C, ZK1XXP, WB2DND/KH9, BQ9P, ZL9CI QSL Manager: A61AD, A61AO, A61X, A61AQ, KH7Z Member: FOC, ARRL, DDXA, YCCC DON GREENBAUM DUXBURY, MA, USA
Re: [DX-CHAT] KP5 cards
Zack... I feel the same as you about QSL cards, photos, and booksI prefer them the older way. What I try to keep in mind though is that in every one of those instances the price of the older technology is significantly higher than the newer. That's the real reason I embrace the new technologyit's less expensive, which makes it more affordable, not only to me (I could probably stretch to afford the old way but I'm simply too damn cheap) but to others who don't have the resources. Almost all the new technology is far less expensive... look at what decent radios cost today, far less than they used to. And for so much better performance, too. Thing is, there's so much more technology available, and of course we want it all. Less expensive ham technology can't hurt in our efforts to get more young people into the hobby, either. And the younger set aren't as turned on unless the technology is up to date. So, while I like the QSL cards, I usually hope that the new one I just worked will upload it to LOTW promptly so I can get it into DXCC ASAP. Then, in addition to LOTW, I can go after the cards I know will be super to have. 73, Jerry K3BZ - Original Message - From: Zack Widup [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Sent: Friday, March 17, 2006 8:46 AM Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] KP5 cards LotW is just not the same as having a card in front of you that you can hold, put on the wall, etc. I suppose for the instant gratification generation it's the thing, but I still like to have my cards. And I prefer to read a good book printed on paper instead of reading the PDF version on a laptop. And I still prefer photographic films and papers with real silver in them instead of digital photography. Not that LotW, PDF files and digital photography don't have their places; it's just that they can't totally replace the abovementioned. Maybe I'm just an Olde Fahrt(tm)? :-) 73, Zack W9SZ On Fri, 17 Mar 2006 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sure beats LOTW, doesn't it -- Original message from john [EMAIL PROTECTED]: -- Mine too! Very nice! John K5MO Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] KP5 cards
That was my point. Anything made easier loses its value when the struggle produces the reward. There are many "New Ones" that I can't even remember making the QSO, but I sure as heck remember the hassles, challenge, tribulations (and disappointments)getting (or not getting) the cards and theeuphoria when they finallyappeared in the mail, sometimes a year or two after the fact. If the whole system goes to LOTW, DXpeditions will permanently forego the paper QSLs andvaluable piece of the hobby/traditionwill be lostfor good. But yeah, it will be cheaper (at least until Newington gets it locked up and starts charging a buck per...). It's also easier and cheaper to watchfishing onTV, than todo ityourself, but it ain't the same thing... Don N7EF -- Original message from Zack Widup-- LotW is just not the same as having a card in front of you that you can hold, put on the wall, etc. [-snip-] 73, Zack W9SZ On Fri, 17 Mar 2006 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Sure beats LOTW, doesn't it -- Original message from john <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: -- Mine too! Very nice!John K5MO
Re: [DX-CHAT] KP5 cards
Don N7EF wrote "Anything made easier loses its value when the struggle produces the reward." I can appreciate that. I guess it's a matter of what you enjoy. I enjoyall the planning and workto put together the station and the antennas. I like the anticipation and the research and the preparation and the talking DX with my friemds, waiting for the day when the DX finally reaches the island. I enjoy chasing the DX and the elation of finally busting the pileup. Mailing my card and waiting for theirs... that's pretty much just paperwork for me. LOTW can make that administrative stuff pretty much effortless. But I can understand that others feelit'sa meaningful part of the process. Each to his own... 73, Jerry K3BZ - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Zack Widup ; dx-chat@njdxa.org Sent: Friday, March 17, 2006 7:51 PM Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] KP5 cards That was my point. Anything made easier loses its value when the struggle produces the reward. There are many "New Ones" that I can't even remember making the QSO, but I sure as heck remember the hassles, challenge, tribulations (and disappointments)getting (or not getting) the cards and theeuphoria when they finallyappeared in the mail, sometimes a year or two after the fact. If the whole system goes to LOTW, DXpeditions will permanently forego the paper QSLs andvaluable piece of the hobby/traditionwill be lostfor good. But yeah, it will be cheaper (at least until Newington gets it locked up and starts charging a buck per...). It's also easier and cheaper to watchfishing onTV, than todo ityourself, but it ain't the same thing... Don N7EF -- Original message from Zack Widup-- LotW is just not the same as having a card in front of you that you can hold, put on the wall, etc. [-snip-] 73, Zack W9SZ On Fri, 17 Mar 2006 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Sure beats LOTW, doesn't it -- Original message from john <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: -- Mine too! Very nice!John K5MO
[DX-CHAT] KP5
Boy, this KP5 thing seems to be generating a lot of QRM. And, for what? This is a hobby guys! No one will get even a slice of bread with it or have one taken away because of it. The world will continue to rotate. I've heard no one say "I'm not going to submit my card until I see the documentation". It's pretty simple, if you don't agree with it, don't submit your card. Who will care? Seems to me that there are numerous competing egos out there and few care. Best,Chuck Degard
Re: [DX-CHAT] KP5 Documents
With all this speculationbe advised that Desecheo, Vieques, Culebra et al are all regular stops for the drug traffickers and others who always leave piles of trash all without any kind of permission from F W. DEA people are regular visitors to these islands. While I can accept that F W has regulations regarding who may set foot on the island I cant see how they can restrict amateur radio operators, photographers, bird watchers etc from plying their trade. On US soil only the FCC can regulate amateur radio. Watching this thread evolve with all its speculation is not worthy of the space on the chat page. 73 Norm K1AA - Original Message - From: Zack Widup [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: DX Chat dx-chat@njdxa.org Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 12:24 AM Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] KP5 Documents On Thu, 16 Mar 2006, N7MAL wrote: I've been doing a lot of searching through Gov't documents, which are accessible through the internet. It substantiated some very interesting, although well known, information. Amateur Radio is expressly prohibited on KP5 islands. Those of you who were active in the late 80's and early 90's remember those problems, and accusations. I will always remember some Gov't official both on the TV news and in the print media making a statement to the effect he had see cleaner garbage dumps than the conditions left behind by the ham-radio operators who were at KP5. As it turns out no one, especially a low-level bureaucrat, at FW has the authority to give permission for ham radio at KP5. [snip] As I pointed out above, and I think it is pretty widely known, special permission for KP5 is just not routinely going to happen, it almost requires an act of Congress. It's evidently NOT widely known. What are your references that amateur radio operation is expressly ptohibited on KP5 island? Zack W9SZ Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
RE: [DX-CHAT] KP5 Documents
Malcolm You've apparently done a lot of searching for the documents you've refered to... Yet none of my searches on Google or on firstgov.gov (which is the USA govt portal) has found anything other than "amateur radio reciprocal licensing agreement". Since you've piqued my interest in seeing what the US Government has to say about this, could you please provide the appropriate URL's to help me? Or, if you haven't saved them and cannot find them again, can you tell me a site to start searching on (as google and firstgov.gov don't yield any of the documents that you refer to) Best regards Don AC7ZG -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of N7MALSent: Wednesday, March 15, 2006 9:08 PMTo: Zack Widup; DX ChatSubject: Re: [DX-CHAT] KP5 Documents I've been doing a lot of searching through Gov't documents, which are accessible through the internet. It substantiated some very interesting, although well known, information. Amateur Radio is expressly prohibited on KP5 islands.
Re: [DX-CHAT] KP5 ?
Please take a look on my opinion, being someone of the outside world than USA. Freedom Act, for example, goes in the same direction of public opinion's will: to know more in order to feed his own opinion. Get a poll, and see how many people wants to know the FULL story. Is ham radio a world apart, where you still have to PAY to get FREE informations, in internet era? Incredible! I'll take one coffee less at the bar, to offer my 50 cents to the exclusive and striking Pulitzer-deserving news-repeater, to get the informations available to everyone. Get down to the Earth, folks, it's a HOBBY! Finally, I agree with Boris, next DXpedition will throw all of this story and circus going around in the dustbin... 73 all, Simon IZ7ATN Rest of us who did not worked this KP5 Dxpedition would rather hear about KP1-KP5 Team plans for a proper activity from either of islands. 73's Boris T93Y -- Boris Knezovic T93Y, P.O. Box 59, Sarajevo BA-71000, Bosnia and Herzegovina E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] WEB Page: http://www.t93y.com Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] KP5 Documents
On Wed, 15 Mar 2006, N7MAL wrote: Forgive me for asking a stupid question and throwing water on everyone's parade but has anyone published a copy of the documents, signed by FW, authorizing the KP5 operation...???... I have never seen ANY documents published showing that any given DXpedition was legal. I am assuming the proper documents were submitted to ARRL. Unlike some people, I do have some trust in the ARRL and believe they had a valid reason to OK the operation. ARRL is not going to publish the documents. It doesn't matter to me whether or not it's even legal, as far as dxcc approval is concerned. The fact remains that someone, somewhere, wields the strength to make a call to the gubmint and stop someone from operating their radio(s). That's the thing that troubles me. Now if it was completely unauthorized, then that would have been a lil different I guess. But I read the article, and all the permissions were there. I tend to believe that another dxpedition person got their feelings hurt. This operation came together in record time, on short notice. I think it took someone by suprise, and they didn't like that. There are a lot of big egos in Amateur Radio. If it was a genuine mistake, I TRULY believe that the person would have made an apology to K3LP and N3KS. I think they would have relayed that apology to the world from this person... if it was an honest mistake. The lack of any further news on this front dispels this theory, in my mind. I agree that time will flush out the whole back story on this. Who wants to be the next operator to set foot on Desecheo? -hi Rich, N8UX. Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] KP5 ?
I love a good story. There are many speculative ideas being touted about what happened, whodunnit, and why. But I have a hard time believing that one of our own would knowingly do what so many seem to be saying was done. Since nearly every scenario I've seen so far casts some poor ham as a pariah and a disgrace to the hobby, here's another imaginary but possible version to keep everyone occupied whilst we all wait for the trooth to come out Suppose there was a legitimate...but not ham-radiotion-related...reason for our heroes to be on the island? Something like work having to do with environmental research or study of the native flora and fauna or something similar. That would explain how they got permission from FWS to be there. However... unbeknownst to FWSour intrepid adventurers are also hams, they know this is a DX plum, so they decide to take along some gear to use in their spare time. As far as I know, US licensed hams can operate from any US possession without a special license... so as long as they have permission to BE there, I don't know of anything that would keep them from operating a radio there. And I don't know of anything that would necessarily require them to announce their intentions to the permission-granting authority. However, as I'd bet our heros must have known... after all, they didn't publicize in advance, did they?there's a lawsuit pending between a group of hams and the FWS, suing for the right to visit and operate on these islands, a right which has been denied by the FWS for some time. Does it not make sense that the FWS may have somehow become aware that some hams were operating out there and that... believing this could have had some impact on their position in the lawsuit... the FWS may have decided to withdraw the permission, requiring our guys to leave the island? Under circumstances like that, the operation might very well be considered legal and OK for DXCC. Now of course we are all still wondering how the FWS could have become aware of the operation, and this will eventually become known, but under circumstances as concocted here, it could have been from many different sources, some of which might have nothing to do with amateur radio. Perhaps the crew of the boat that took the guys out there returns and mentions to their supervisors that they noticed some radio equipment among the stuff they transported, and it takes a few days for the word to filter up to someone in FWS who decides to pull the plug and terminates the authorization. There could be lots of other explanations. So, before we go too far down the slippery slope of suspecting and accusing one of our own, wouldn't it be better to simply hold off on the innuendo or rhetoric and simply be patient and wait for some substantiated facts? Respectfully submitted, Jerry K3BZ - Original Message - From: Zack Widup [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 11:58 PM Subject: RE: [DX-CHAT] KP5 ? On Tue, 14 Mar 2006, Dave AA6YQ wrote: Another question: how does a random licensed amateur cause the operation to be prematurely terminated? A Freedom of Information Act query into the agency that implemented the termination might yield a clue or two. 73, Dave, AA6YQ I don't think it was a random radio amateur. I'm guessing it was a person in one of two categories - (1) Someone who on his own has been trying to get to Desecheo and was turned down, and held a grudge when someone else got to go there and operate; or (2) a radio amateur who is also a fanatic on protecting wildlife who couldn't stand to see someone get permission from the FWS. I operated the June VHF QSO Party last year from Bald Knob, Illinois. It is the highest point in southern Illinois. The hill is owned by a religious organization and has a gigantic 110-foot cross on the top. The group that owns the hill has always had a rapport with radio amateurs. In fact, they fed us dinner Saturday night! But I was told by someone who has operated from there in the past that there was some HAM sentiment against their using this religious site for ham radio purposes. This seems rather kooky to me, since the religious group themselves and the local people were more than happy to have us up there. Just shows to go you ... 73, Zack W9SZ Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
RE: [DX-CHAT] KP5 Documents
Navassa! Desecheo can wait. Navassa! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of petethepup Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2006 9:18 AM To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] KP5 Documents On Wed, 15 Mar 2006, N7MAL wrote: Forgive me for asking a stupid question and throwing water on everyone's parade but has anyone published a copy of the documents, signed by FW, authorizing the KP5 operation...???... I have never seen ANY documents published showing that any given DXpedition was legal. I am assuming the proper documents were submitted to ARRL. Unlike some people, I do have some trust in the ARRL and believe they had a valid reason to OK the operation. ARRL is not going to publish the documents. It doesn't matter to me whether or not it's even legal, as far as dxcc approval is concerned. The fact remains that someone, somewhere, wields the strength to make a call to the gubmint and stop someone from operating their radio(s). That's the thing that troubles me. Now if it was completely unauthorized, then that would have been a lil different I guess. But I read the article, and all the permissions were there. I tend to believe that another dxpedition person got their feelings hurt. This operation came together in record time, on short notice. I think it took someone by suprise, and they didn't like that. There are a lot of big egos in Amateur Radio. If it was a genuine mistake, I TRULY believe that the person would have made an apology to K3LP and N3KS. I think they would have relayed that apology to the world from this person... if it was an honest mistake. The lack of any further news on this front dispels this theory, in my mind. I agree that time will flush out the whole back story on this. Who wants to be the next operator to set foot on Desecheo? -hi Rich, N8UX. Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
[DX-CHAT] KP5....and???
-Original Message- Actually, according to information posted on Bernie's Daily DX site, it was not some bureaocrat/political appointee, but rather a licensed amateur who complained to his congressperson, who then complained to the FWS. So, it is a licensed amateur, motivated by reasons known only to him/her at this point, that allegedly was responsible for getting the KP5 operation shut down. It would be nice to know who this amateur is...Now this is getting increasingly strange http://www.qrz.com/database?callsign=ZD9ATN I wonder what's up with that. One has to wonder.73's and God BlessMarty
[DX-CHAT] KP5....and???
Evening...been followng this for a while.I'm no detective expert or nothing but something smells here and smells bad. I followed the link Marty (or is it Paul) wrote about, to the ZD9 station. Looks like Bernie W3UR from the Daily DX supposedly pulled the identical stunt on this guy on ZD9 that someone pulled on the Desechio guys. Here's what it said. Operations made during February 2006. Thanks to Andy ZD9BV for his help. BIG SHAME TO W3UR WHO TRIED TO FORCE ZD9ATN QRT BY SENDING SEVERAL THREATENING E-MAILS TO GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS. THIS IS THE DX-MAN... Now I'm not generally a suspicious man but this one has me angry. Why in blue blazes would anybody do such a thin? Maybe there's some bad blood or something going on I don't know. I do know that this has me wondering now more than ever what the real story is. for the record, I didn't need KP5 this time out. Anybody subscribe to his web sight can elaborate on either that Tristan guy's situation or on what may have happened on Desechio??? Peace,Fred.Paul Douglas wrote: -Original Message- Actually, according to information posted on Bernie's Daily DX site, it was not some bureaocrat/political appointee, but rather a licensed amateur who complained to his congressperson, who then complained to the FWS. So, it is a licensed amateur, motivated by reasons known only to him/her at this point, that allegedly was responsible for getting the KP5 operation shut down. It would be nice to know who this amateur is...Now this is getting increasingly strange http://www.qrz.com/database?callsign=ZD9ATN I wonder what's up with that. One has to wonder. 73's and God Bless Marty
RE: [DX-CHAT] KP5....and???
Whoa!Strange is a word a half for this! And with all due respect to Simon, I would sure like to know a little bit more about who sent what emails to whom before I start trashing Bernie and his reputation. Who sent the emails? What did they say? What makes them "threatening?" Why would the ZD9 (UK?)licensing authorities possibly be swayed by emails sent from anyone? And most importantly, why on earth would Bernie want to force Simon to go QRT? Bernie? This is the guy who got screwed out of his 4W call several years ago when someone complained about it. Why would he ever do that to someone else? Especially on ZD9, which at best is only semi-rare DX? Something sure smells like two day old fish left in the back seat with the windows rolled up in the summertime on this allegation gang... and I'm not about to accept this one at face value. It just don't make sense! ...oh yes it does, I just realized what's going on. This is payback, gang. I quote from February 7th issue of The Daily DX (sorry Bernie, but I have to do it, so forgive me for the copyright violation): "Over the last few days there has been a certain Italian operator QRV from ZD9. This same guy is also operating on Freeband (read this to say CB!). This is as much ink as he is going to get from me at this time." So what's the real story? Did Bernie make an inquiry into Simon's license, a? Or is Simon merely upset because Bernie won't publicize a ZD9 op that includes illegal Freeband operation? In any event... like I just said, something sure stinks around here, but the wind's not coming out of MD. And while personally, I don't care if Simon wants to operate illegally on Freeband (if he gets caught, it's his problem), for him to smear Bernie like this without further proof is uncalled for. 73, ron wn3vaw -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of AC4NU FredSent: Wednesday, March 15, 2006 10:50 PMTo: dx-chat@njdxa.orgSubject: [DX-CHAT] KP5and???Evening...been followng this for a while.I'm no detective expert or nothing but something smells here and smells bad. I followed the link Marty (or is it Paul) wrote about, to the ZD9 station. Looks like Bernie W3UR from the Daily DX supposedly pulled the identical stunt on this guy on ZD9 that someone pulled on the Desechio guys. Here's what it said. Operations made during February 2006. Thanks to Andy ZD9BV for his help. BIG SHAME TO W3UR WHO TRIED TO FORCE ZD9ATN QRT BY SENDING SEVERAL THREATENING E-MAILS TO GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS. THIS IS THE DX-MAN... Now I'm not generally a suspicious man but this one has me angry. Why in blue blazes would anybody do such a thin? Maybe there's some bad blood or something going on I don't know. I do know that this has me wondering now more than ever what the real story is. for the record, I didn't need KP5 this time out. Anybody subscribe to his web sight can elaborate on either that Tristan guy's situation or on what may have happened on Desechio??? Peace, Fred.Paul Douglas wrote: -Original Message-Actually, according to information posted on Bernie's Daily DX site, itwas not "some bureaocrat/political appointee," but rather a licensedamateur who complained to his congressperson, who then complained to theFWS.So, it is a licensed amateur, motivated by reasons known only to him/herat this point, that "allegedly" was responsible for getting the KP5operation shut down. It would be nice to know who this amateur is...Now this is getting increasingly strangehttp://www.qrz.com/database?callsign=ZD9ATN I wonder what's up with that. One has to wonder.73's and God BlessMarty
Re: [DX-CHAT] KP5 Documents
I've been doing a lot of searching through Gov't documents, which are accessible through the internet. It substantiated some very interesting, although well known, information. Amateur Radio is expressly prohibited on KP5 islands. Those of you who were active in the late 80's and early 90's remember those problems, and accusations. I will always remember some Gov't official both on the TV newsand in the printmedia making a statement to the effect he had see cleaner garbage dumps than the conditions left behind by the ham-radio operators who were at KP5. As it turns out no one, especially a low-level bureaucrat, at FW has the authority to give permission for ham radio at KP5. I decided to reply to Zack's posting because he said: ""I do have some trust in the ARRL and believe they had a valid reason to OK the operation."". The ARRL has ACCREDITATION CRITERIA.How about the recent P5 acceptance. There is no doubt the guy was there in P5 justlike there is no doubt the KP5 guys were there. Just being there is NOT good enough. SECTION III. ACCREDITATION CRITERIA b) In countries where Amateur Radio operation has not been permitted or has been suspended or where some reluctance to authorize amateur stations has been noted, authenticating documents may be required before accrediting an operation. c) Special permission may be required from a governmental agency or private party before entering certain DXCC Entities for the purpose of conducting amateur radio operations even though the Entity is part of a country with no amateur radio restrictions. Examples of such Entities are Desecheo I. (KP5); Palmyra I. (KH5), and Glorioso Islands (FR/G). As I pointed out above, and I think it is pretty widely known, special permission for KP5 is just not routinely going to happen, it almost requires an act of Congress. SECTION III. ACCREDITATION CRITERIA 4. These accreditation requirements are intended to preserve the integrity of the DXCC program and to ensure that the program does not encourage amateurs to "bend the rules" in their enthusiasm, possibly jeopardizing the future development of Amateur Radio. Every effort will be made to apply these criteria uniformly and to make a determination consistent with these objectives. In the case of the recent P5 and most recent KP5 the rules were not just bent they were looped back around themselves. As I said once already, and was soundly criticized, my dues are paid up and I'm a full member of the ARRL. I want to see the special documents, as required,used to approve KP5. Otherwise don't use the words "integrity" and DXCC in the same sentence. Please don't tell me I can see the documents in Bernie's rag, I pay my dues to the ARRL not W3UR. 73 MAL N7MALBULLHEAD CITY, AZhttp://www.ctaz.com/~suzyq/N7mal.htmhttp://geocities.com/n7mal/Don't worry about the world coming to an end today.It's already tomorrow in Australia - Original Message - From: Zack Widup To: DX Chat Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2006 5:11 Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] KP5 Documents On Wed, 15 Mar 2006, N7MAL wrote: Forgive me for asking a stupid question and throwing water on everyone's parade but has anyone published a copy of the documents, signed by FW, authorizing the KP5 operation...???...I have never seen ANY documents published showing that any given DXpedition was legal. I am assuming the proper documents were submitted to ARRL. Unlike some people, I do have some trust in the ARRL and believe they had a valid reason to OK the operation. ARRL is not going to publish the documents.73, Zack W9SZSubscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chatTo post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.orgThis is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org-- No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 268.2.2/280 - Release Date: 3/13/2006
Re: [DX-CHAT] KP5 Documents
On Thu, 16 Mar 2006, N7MAL wrote: I've been doing a lot of searching through Gov't documents, which are accessible through the internet. It substantiated some very interesting, although well known, information. Amateur Radio is expressly prohibited on KP5 islands. Those of you who were active in the late 80's and early 90's remember those problems, and accusations. I will always remember some Gov't official both on the TV news and in the print media making a statement to the effect he had see cleaner garbage dumps than the conditions left behind by the ham-radio operators who were at KP5. As it turns out no one, especially a low-level bureaucrat, at FW has the authority to give permission for ham radio at KP5. [snip] As I pointed out above, and I think it is pretty widely known, special permission for KP5 is just not routinely going to happen, it almost requires an act of Congress. It's evidently NOT widely known. What are your references that amateur radio operation is expressly ptohibited on KP5 island? Zack W9SZ Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
RE: [DX-CHAT] KP5....and???
On Wed, 15 Mar 2006, Ron Notarius WN3VAW wrote: Whoa! Strange is a word a half for this! And with all due respect to Simon, I would sure like to know a little bit more about who sent what emails to whom before I start trashing Bernie and his reputation. Who sent the emails? What did they say? What makes them threatening? Why would the ZD9 (UK?) licensing authorities possibly be swayed by emails sent from anyone? I get some strange e-mails that aren't from where they say they are from. I can expect 10 to 20 (!) e-mails a day that say they are from eBay, PayPal, Chase Bank, Wells Fargo Bank, etc. etc. I don't believe it until I've dissected the header and verified the source on dnsstuff.com So who's to say someone didn't forge Bernie's e-mail address? 73, Zack W9SZ Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
[DX-CHAT] KP5 ?
Well, it seems the order from on high for KP5 to QRT has been dismissed as one of those things. Those who worked them will get the card - myself included. But my inquiring mind still wants to know who took it upon them self to decide that KP5 should be cut short. Rich, N8UX. Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
RE: [DX-CHAT] KP5 ?
I have to wonder about that. Now keep in mind that following is simply the half-baked the musings of an idle imagination... so please don't start rumors that this IS what happened... But suppose that some amateur had a legit concern that the recent KP5 operation was, indeed, authorized and legitimate. Suppose further that a phone call was made to the appropriate elected thief, err, congressional representative to simply inquire. Not complain, just inquire. Now, the call would no doubt have been taken by one of the staff members, who routinely followed up with an inquiry to the US Fish Take-A-Hike, er, Wildlife people. Who may or may not have known of the operation. Or who may have over-reacted to the inquiry. Or who may have bristled at the circumstances of the operation being approved, going around their bureaucratic roadblocks. Or whatever. In any event, someone as FW used the preceeding inquiry as an excuse to shut down the operation. Now... if the circumstances were something like this, and YOU were the innocent amateur who accidently inaugurated the process which ended in the shut-down... would YOU come forward? And if you did, do you think anyone would believe you? I think we may never know who started the ball rolling... and again, the above is just idle musing, for all we know it WAS a complaint from someone with a bruised ego... so perhaps it's time to return the tar to Home Depot and the feathers to Bed Bath Beyond and let it go. And try to ensure that there is a next time, and that something like this won't happen the next time. 73, ron wn3vaw -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of petethepup Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 11:16 AM To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: [DX-CHAT] KP5 ? Well, it seems the order from on high for KP5 to QRT has been dismissed as one of those things. Those who worked them will get the card - myself included. But my inquiring mind still wants to know who took it upon them self to decide that KP5 should be cut short. Rich, N8UX. Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] KP5 ?
Not surprised.some bureaocrat/political appointee was mad that he was not consulted etc The sad part is that dope runners and others go ashore there all the time without getting caught. 73 Norm K1AA - Original Message - From: petethepup [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 11:16 AM Subject: [DX-CHAT] KP5 ? Well, it seems the order from on high for KP5 to QRT has been dismissed as one of those things. Those who worked them will get the card - myself included. But my inquiring mind still wants to know who took it upon them self to decide that KP5 should be cut short. Rich, N8UX. Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] KP5 ?
Jim Reisert AD1C wrote: The Daily DX has had an exclusive on this story since it was published a couple of weeks ago. I assume that Bernie W3UR or the author will publish the information to the world shortly. In the mean time, speculation is just that. 73 - Jim AD1C (a Daily DX subscriber) -- Jim Reisert AD1C, 7 Charlemont Court, North Chelmsford, MA 01863 USA +978-251-9933, [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://www.ad1c.us Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Rest of us who did not worked this KP5 Dxpedition would rather hear about KP1-KP5 Team plans for a proper activity from either of islands. 73's Boris T93Y -- Boris Knezovic T93Y, P.O. Box 59, Sarajevo BA-71000, Bosnia and Herzegovina E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] WEB Page: http://www.t93y.com -- Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
RE: [DX-CHAT] KP5 ?
And now the thread has gone full circle, as we've come right back to where we started... The question remains, though, as to WHY this schmuck did what they did. 73 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Scott Manthe Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 4:57 PM To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] KP5 ? Actually, according to information posted on Bernie's Daily DX site, it was not some bureaocrat/political appointee, but rather a licensed amateur who complained to his congressperson, who then complained to the FWS. So, it is a licensed amateur, motivated by reasons known only to him/her at this point, that allegedly was responsible for getting the KP5 operation shut down. It would be nice to know who this amateur is... 73, Scott, N9AA Norm Gertz wrote: Not surprised.some bureaocrat/political appointee was mad that he was not consulted etc The sad part is that dope runners and others go ashore there all the time without getting caught. 73 Norm K1AA Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
RE: [DX-CHAT] KP5 ?
Whats done is done, no one can do anything about it so it's a closed story. DONE. No one likes what happened , just have to put it in the past. 73 Pete -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ron Notarius WN3VAW Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 6:21 PM To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: RE: [DX-CHAT] KP5 ? And now the thread has gone full circle, as we've come right back to where we started... The question remains, though, as to WHY this schmuck did what they did. 73 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Scott Manthe Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 4:57 PM To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] KP5 ? Actually, according to information posted on Bernie's Daily DX site, it was not some bureaocrat/political appointee, but rather a licensed amateur who complained to his congressperson, who then complained to the FWS. So, it is a licensed amateur, motivated by reasons known only to him/her at this point, that allegedly was responsible for getting the KP5 operation shut down. It would be nice to know who this amateur is... 73, Scott, N9AA Norm Gertz wrote: Not surprised.some bureaocrat/political appointee was mad that he was not consulted etc The sad part is that dope runners and others go ashore there all the time without getting caught. 73 Norm K1AA Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
RE: [DX-CHAT] KP5 ?
Another question: how does a random licensed amateur cause the operation to be prematurely terminated? A Freedom of Information Act query into the agency that implemented the termination might yield a clue or two. 73, Dave, AA6YQ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Ron Notarius WN3VAW Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 6:21 PM To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: RE: [DX-CHAT] KP5 ? And now the thread has gone full circle, as we've come right back to where we started... The question remains, though, as to WHY this schmuck did what they did. 73 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Scott Manthe Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 4:57 PM To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] KP5 ? Actually, according to information posted on Bernie's Daily DX site, it was not some bureaocrat/political appointee, but rather a licensed amateur who complained to his congressperson, who then complained to the FWS. So, it is a licensed amateur, motivated by reasons known only to him/her at this point, that allegedly was responsible for getting the KP5 operation shut down. It would be nice to know who this amateur is... 73, Scott, N9AA Norm Gertz wrote: Not surprised.some bureaocrat/political appointee was mad that he was not consulted etc The sad part is that dope runners and others go ashore there all the time without getting caught. 73 Norm K1AA Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
RE: [DX-CHAT] KP5 ?
I agree. Not to punish the schmuck per se, but to make sure that this type of stunt doesn't happen again. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Gary McClellan Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 8:03 PM Cc: dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] KP5 ? Peter, sorry - NO we don't. I want to know WHY what was done WAS done. Open story. 73, Gary K7ZD Peter Penta wrote: Whats done is done, no one can do anything about it so it's a closed story. DONE. No one likes what happened , just have to put it in the past. 73 Pete -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ron Notarius WN3VAW Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 6:21 PM To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: RE: [DX-CHAT] KP5 ? And now the thread has gone full circle, as we've come right back to where we started... The question remains, though, as to WHY this schmuck did what they did. 73 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Scott Manthe Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 4:57 PM To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] KP5 ? Actually, according to information posted on Bernie's Daily DX site, it was not some bureaocrat/political appointee, but rather a licensed amateur who complained to his congressperson, who then complained to the FWS. So, it is a licensed amateur, motivated by reasons known only to him/her at this point, that allegedly was responsible for getting the KP5 operation shut down. It would be nice to know who this amateur is... 73, Scott, N9AA Norm Gertz wrote: Not surprised.some bureaocrat/political appointee was mad that he was not consulted etc The sad part is that dope runners and others go ashore there all the time without getting caught. 73 Norm K1AA Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
RE: [DX-CHAT] KP5 ?
Understanding what happened so we can minimize the probability that it will happen again seems like a reasonable course of action. 73, Dave, AA6YQ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Peter Penta Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 7:17 PM To: 'Ron Notarius WN3VAW'; dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: RE: [DX-CHAT] KP5 ? Whats done is done, no one can do anything about it so it's a closed story. DONE. No one likes what happened , just have to put it in the past. 73 Pete -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ron Notarius WN3VAW Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 6:21 PM To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: RE: [DX-CHAT] KP5 ? And now the thread has gone full circle, as we've come right back to where we started... The question remains, though, as to WHY this schmuck did what they did. 73 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Scott Manthe Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 4:57 PM To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] KP5 ? Actually, according to information posted on Bernie's Daily DX site, it was not some bureaocrat/political appointee, but rather a licensed amateur who complained to his congressperson, who then complained to the FWS. So, it is a licensed amateur, motivated by reasons known only to him/her at this point, that allegedly was responsible for getting the KP5 operation shut down. It would be nice to know who this amateur is... 73, Scott, N9AA Norm Gertz wrote: Not surprised.some bureaocrat/political appointee was mad that he was not consulted etc The sad part is that dope runners and others go ashore there all the time without getting caught. 73 Norm K1AA Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
RE: [DX-CHAT] KP5 ?
Peteperhaps you know something? NF4A -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gary McClellan Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 7:03 PM Cc: dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] KP5 ? Peter, sorry - NO we don't. I want to know WHY what was done WAS done. Open story. 73, Gary K7ZD Peter Penta wrote: Whats done is done, no one can do anything about it so it's a closed story. DONE. No one likes what happened , just have to put it in the past. 73 Pete -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ron Notarius WN3VAW Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 6:21 PM To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: RE: [DX-CHAT] KP5 ? And now the thread has gone full circle, as we've come right back to where we started... The question remains, though, as to WHY this schmuck did what they did. 73 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Scott Manthe Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 4:57 PM To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] KP5 ? Actually, according to information posted on Bernie's Daily DX site, it was not some bureaocrat/political appointee, but rather a licensed amateur who complained to his congressperson, who then complained to the FWS. So, it is a licensed amateur, motivated by reasons known only to him/her at this point, that allegedly was responsible for getting the KP5 operation shut down. It would be nice to know who this amateur is... 73, Scott, N9AA Norm Gertz wrote: Not surprised.some bureaocrat/political appointee was mad that he was not consulted etc The sad part is that dope runners and others go ashore there all the time without getting caught. 73 Norm K1AA Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] KP5 ?
The schmuck should be punished. It seems pretty obvious to me that it was someone else who was wanting to go, but didn't have the right connections to get approval. Then, in a selfish, sour grapes move, he saw to it that if he couldn't go, nobody would. The FOIA is a good idea and if/when the person is outed, he should be disqualified from DXCC for good. 73, Barry W2UP Ron Notarius WN3VAW wrote: I agree. Not to punish the schmuck per se, but to make sure that this type of stunt doesn't happen again. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Gary McClellan Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 8:03 PM Cc: dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] KP5 ? Peter, sorry - NO we don't. I want to know WHY what was done WAS done. Open story. 73, Gary K7ZD Peter Penta wrote: Whats done is done, no one can do anything about it so it's a closed story. DONE. No one likes what happened , just have to put it in the past. 73 Pete -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Ron Notarius WN3VAW Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 6:21 PM To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: RE: [DX-CHAT] KP5 ? And now the thread has gone full circle, as we've come right back to where we started... The question remains, though, as to WHY this schmuck did what they did. 73 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Scott Manthe Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 4:57 PM To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] KP5 ? Actually, according to information posted on Bernie's Daily DX site, it was not "some bureaocrat/political appointee," but rather a licensed amateur who complained to his congressperson, who then complained to the FWS. So, it is a licensed amateur, motivated by reasons known only to him/her at this point, that "allegedly" was responsible for getting the KP5 operation shut down. It would be nice to know who this amateur is... 73, Scott, N9AA Norm Gertz wrote: Not surprised.some bureaocrat/political appointee was mad that he was not consulted etc The sad part is that dope runners and others go ashore there all the time without getting caught. 73 Norm K1AA Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org -- Barry Kutner, W2UP Newtown, PA
[DX-CHAT] KP5 other DXpeditions
It is sad that a simple but clear statement of the recent KP5 operation can not just be published, apparently. Full disclosure will make everyone sit easier. However, after being somewhat involved in operations in XW, VU4, 9N, A5, and so on, I also know that sometimes nothing can be said without making matters bad. In some places, as many of you know, there is really not one authority to grant ham licenses and sometimes not any authority and sometimes competing authorities. ARRL DX desk --by human limitations-- just can not know exactly the situation in some countries, too. I have it on good authority, for example, that dear Father Moran 9N1MM, never did hold an actual ham license there, yet his contacts count for DXCC. I guess in the end, we just have to be patient and compassionate for dificult situations. After all, if all DXing were easy, would we still chase it so ardently? 73 Charles Harpole [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] KP5 ?
I'll bet there are at least 50 different theories about the guy that caused the problem.Here is mine. The guy needs KP5 for aall time new one, he is convinced that FWL has not given permission and the contacts will not count for DXCC. He is sure that these guys have ruined his chance for a good contact for many years to come. So with his DO GOOD attitude he picks up the phone. He is saying to himself that he is helping the worthy. BTW, I don't need it. Dave - K4SSU - Original Message - From: Barry To: Ron Notarius WN3VAW Cc: dx-chat@njdxa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 8:44 PM Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] KP5 ? The schmuck should be punished. It seems pretty obvious to me that it was someone else who was wanting to go, but didn't have the right connections to get approval. Then, in a selfish, sour grapes move, he saw to it that if he couldn't go, nobody would.The FOIA is a good idea and if/when the person is outed, he should be disqualified from DXCC for good.73,Barry W2UPRon Notarius WN3VAW wrote: I agree. Not to punish the schmuck per se, but to make sure that this type of stunt doesn't happen again. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Gary McClellan Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 8:03 PM Cc: dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] KP5 ? Peter, sorry - NO we don't. I want to know WHY what was done WAS done. Open story. 73, Gary K7ZD Peter Penta wrote: Whats done is done, no one can do anything about it so it's a closed story. DONE. No one likes what happened , just have to put it in the past. 73 Pete -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Ron Notarius WN3VAW Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 6:21 PM To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: RE: [DX-CHAT] KP5 ? And now the thread has gone full circle, as we've come right back to where we started... The question remains, though, as to WHY this schmuck did what they did. 73 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Scott Manthe Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 4:57 PM To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] KP5 ? Actually, according to information posted on Bernie's Daily DX site, it was not "some bureaocrat/political appointee," but rather a licensed amateur who complained to his congressperson, who then complained to the FWS. So, it is a licensed amateur, motivated by reasons known only to him/her at this point, that "allegedly" was responsible for getting the KP5 operation shut down. It would be nice to know who this amateur is... 73, Scott, N9AA Norm Gertz wrote: Not surprised.some bureaocrat/political appointee was mad that he was not consulted etc The sad part is that dope runners and others go ashore there all the time without getting caught. 73 Norm K1AA Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org -- Barry Kutner, W2UP Newtown, PA
Re: [DX-CHAT] KP5 ?
I'm betting he needs something besides KP5 for the top of the honor roll and called his congressman to make sure no one passes him on the honor roll. That or he had an expedition planned and he doesn't want anyone stealing his thunder. Some hams are shallow and pathetic, so neither of these scenarios would surprise me. 73, Scott, N9AA David Johnson wrote: I'll bet there are at least 50 different theories about the guy that caused the problem. Here is mine. The guy needs KP5 for a all time new one, he is convinced that FWL has not given permission and the contacts will not count for DXCC. He is sure that these guys have ruined his chance for a good contact for many years to come. So with his DO GOOD attitude he picks up the phone. He is saying to himself that he is helping the worthy. BTW, I don't need it. Dave - K4SSU Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] KP5 ?
Fellow DXers: Having been a newspaper reporter covering law enforcement for 20+ years I can tell you whoever this is will spill the beans so to speak eventually. People just like to brag. I've written about 100's of cases where it wasn't necessarily good police work that solved it (although once the information was out officers ran with the information to develop the necessary information for filing charges, but it was actually the suspect opening his mouth to his wife (who he may have gotten mad later), a jilted girlfriend, or just bragging that lead to the break in the case.. Heck back in the late 1960s I covered a double homicide/robbery where two men were fatally shot in the head during the robbery of a mom and pop grocery. Well the police gave me a description of the wrong caliber weapon used, and a few days later the suspect shot another man during a poolroom argument in the same way as the two robbery victims (between the eyes), then waited for the sheriff to arrest him because he thought he could get off on self defense since the other man was armed with a pool cue.. He turned in the gun that police matched to the earlier robbery. While in jail he started blabbing to everyone locked up in the small county jail that he was the big man in the double homicide/robbery. So officers did a ballistics test and 'viola the bullet striations on fragments from the robbery and the poolroom killing matched. He ended up getting the death penalty in 1970, but it was changed the life imprisonment when the U.S. Supreme Court overturned the death penalty about 1972 or so. Tom, WW5L Scott Manthe wrote: Actually, according to information posted on Bernie's Daily DX site, it was not some bureaocrat/political appointee, but rather a licensed amateur who complained to his congressperson, who then complained to the FWS. So, it is a licensed amateur, motivated by reasons known only to him/her at this point, that allegedly was responsible for getting the KP5 operation shut down. It would be nice to know who this amateur is... 73, Scott, N9AA Norm Gertz wrote: Not surprised.some bureaocrat/political appointee was mad that he was not consulted etc The sad part is that dope runners and others go ashore there all the time without getting caught. 73 Norm K1AA Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] KP5 Documents
What nasty rhetoric? There is quite a bit of innuendo going back and forth, but no nasty rhetoric. I suppose if I had called my Congressman asking to shut down the operation, I might be sweating a little, but I don't think anyone considers anything that's been said here nasty rhetoric. Why is the entire DX Community entitled to see approval documents? The only people who need to see any documentation are the folks at the DXCC desk. What the entire DX community should be entitled to see is who wanted the operation shut down. 73, Scott, N9AA N7MAL wrote: Forgive me for asking a stupid question and throwing water on everyone's parade but has anyone published a copy of the documents, signed by FW, authorizing the KP5 operation...???... We all, hopefully, know KP5 is off-limits and it requires very specific approval from FW. I think by now the entire DX Community is entitled to see proof the KP5 operation is/was legal and had the permission, if not the blessing, from FW. There is a lot of nasty rhetoric going on here and it would be nice to see proof the operation was legal. 73 Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
RE: [DX-CHAT] KP5 Documents
The issue at hand is not the documentation, but who was responsible for the shut down... and why. As far as the proper paperwork etc., all was explained in the release via the Daily DX several weeks ago. Yes, I know this hasn't been publicly dissemenated yet, but I'm sure all will be out soon. (I'd presume that at some point, this will show up in Bernie's QST column?). I've read the release, and after having done so, I have no doubts about the legality of the operation. If anything, there are some implications as to some (though I'm sure not all) of the real reasons that FWS have been keeping civilians officially off of KP1 KP5. And... at least on this reflector, there's been no nasty rhetoric about the documentation. Not in the recent threads, at least. -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of N7MALSent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 11:48 PMTo: DX ChatSubject: [DX-CHAT] KP5 Documents Forgive me for asking a stupid question and throwing water on everyone's parade but has anyone published a copy of the documents, signed by FW, authorizing the KP5 operation...???... We all, hopefully, know KP5 is off-limits and it requires very specific approval from FW. I think by now the entire DX Community is entitled to see proof the KP5 operation is/was legal and had the permission, if not the blessing, from FW. There is a lot of nasty rhetoric going on here and it would be nice to see proof the operation was legal. 73 MAL N7MALBULLHEAD CITY, AZhttp://www.ctaz.com/~suzyq/N7mal.htmhttp://geocities.com/n7mal/Don't worry about the world coming to an end today.It's already tomorrow in Australia
RE: [DX-CHAT] KP5 ?
On Tue, 14 Mar 2006, Peter Penta wrote: Whats done is done, no one can do anything about it so it's a closed story. DONE. No one likes what happened , just have to put it in the past. 73 Pete You could say that about the JFK assassination, too. However, there are some of us who still want to know what really happened that afternoon in Dallas. I would like to at least know the details of the KP5 operation termination. I am not vengeful, but I am curious. 73, Zack W9SZ Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
RE: [DX-CHAT] KP5 ?
On Tue, 14 Mar 2006, Dave AA6YQ wrote: Another question: how does a random licensed amateur cause the operation to be prematurely terminated? A Freedom of Information Act query into the agency that implemented the termination might yield a clue or two. 73, Dave, AA6YQ I don't think it was a random radio amateur. I'm guessing it was a person in one of two categories - (1) Someone who on his own has been trying to get to Desecheo and was turned down, and held a grudge when someone else got to go there and operate; or (2) a radio amateur who is also a fanatic on protecting wildlife who couldn't stand to see someone get permission from the FWS. I operated the June VHF QSO Party last year from Bald Knob, Illinois. It is the highest point in southern Illinois. The hill is owned by a religious organization and has a gigantic 110-foot cross on the top. The group that owns the hill has always had a rapport with radio amateurs. In fact, they fed us dinner Saturday night! But I was told by someone who has operated from there in the past that there was some HAM sentiment against their using this religious site for ham radio purposes. This seems rather kooky to me, since the religious group themselves and the local people were more than happy to have us up there. Just shows to go you ... 73, Zack W9SZ Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] KP5 Documents
On Wed, 15 Mar 2006, N7MAL wrote: Forgive me for asking a stupid question and throwing water on everyone's parade but has anyone published a copy of the documents, signed by FW, authorizing the KP5 operation...???... I have never seen ANY documents published showing that any given DXpedition was legal. I am assuming the proper documents were submitted to ARRL. Unlike some people, I do have some trust in the ARRL and believe they had a valid reason to OK the operation. ARRL is not going to publish the documents. 73, Zack W9SZ Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: Re: [DX-CHAT] KP5 log online
Apparently there are no on-line logs for this one. I did find a photo with more promised: http://www.k3lp.com/k3lp_kp5.htm 73, Zack W9SZ On Wed, 22 Feb 2006 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all dx'ers Any log online of KP5/N3KS ? Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] KP5
Any info about last DXPN on KP5 ??? OR We can treat this one same as 7O P5 areas !?!?! Stay Tuned on SIX !!! 73,GLDX!!! de: MOME - Z32ZM http://www.qsl.net/z32zm -- From: Bernie McClenny [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Joel Magid' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Jim Reisert AD1C' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: RE: [DX-CHAT] How does a DXpedition to Somalia get approved by ARRL? Date: Thursday, January 26, 2006 19:03 PM My understanding is that 7O1YGF has not turned in any papers. Bernie Bernie McClenny, W3UR Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] KP5 QRT Saturday a.m.
Shame on you unhappy campers...these guys deserve credit for undertaking this chore..it is hard work to say the least.the heat, bugs, landcrabs and all the other diversions. Aak anyone who has ever done this. I heard them stand by for EU last night and JA this morning. They are doing their job as best they can. You should be able to find where he is listening with a little effort; you cant depend on a cluster. NormK1AA - Original Message - From: Bill [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Kurt W. Zimmerman [EMAIL PROTECTED]; dx-chat@njdxa.org Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2005 8:09 AM Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] KP5 QRT Saturday a.m. This is the first time I have ever heard of poor spots. This is unbelievable!!! These guys taking their time, money, etc and staying up for hours without sleep in a tent at 120 degrees and you complaining about the quality of the THEIR operation... You should be ashamed of yourself... I, and many others, worked them on 30 meters yesterday. It took me about 15 minutes. Have you ever tried golf? Sounds like you need a change. Bill W4WX - Original Message - From: Kurt W. Zimmerman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: dx-news@njdxa.org Sent: Friday, December 16, 2005 11:37 PM Subject: RE: [DX-NEWS] KP5 QRT Saturday a.m. Just an FYI... I'm not impressed with the CW operation especially on 30m. Spots were poor on the cluster and there was no idea where he was listening. I sensed from quite a number of CW operators on the cluster their same frustration spending way too much time trying to find out where to transmit. Future reference why not give some indication, from time to time, where you are listing. I spend 3 hours, call me foolish... and I still don't know if I'm in the log for 30m. I thought I heard him reply to me... Is it me just getting old and cranky? 73; Kurt - W2MW -- Archives http://www.mail-archive.com/dx-news@njdxa.org THE DXR is sponsored by the North Jersey DX Association. Please visit our website: http://www.njdxa.org/index.php scroll to bottom for subscribe/unsubscribe options -- Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] KP5 QRT Saturday a.m.
Isn't it amazing that people actually worked DX, and sometimes made the honor roll after years of hard work, before computers, clusters, and spots? Did I miss something (I am getting old) where it was decreed that working DX should be easy, lack of skill not withstanding? There is a fundamental law of human nature which states that the easier the task the lower the feeling of accomplishment. Urb, W2DEC Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] KP5 QRT Saturday a.m.
Jim! It was easier before packet, clusters etc. as not everyone was calling at he same time - the clusters have destroyed DX-ing, and AK1A got into CQ DX Hall of Fame for inventing it... Now, if all Americans just were to learn in school that there is a continent called Europe also! The KP5-operators don't know it yet! 73 de Osten SM5DQC[EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Jim Reisert AD1C [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2005 4:13 PM Subject: RE: [DX-CHAT] KP5 QRT Saturday a.m. At 11:37 PM 12/16/2005, Kurt W. Zimmerman W2MW wrote: Just an FYI... I'm not impressed with the CW operation especially on 30m. Spots were poor on the cluster and there was no idea where he was listening. I sensed from quite a number of CW operators on the cluster their same frustration spending way too much time trying to find out where to transmit. Whatever happened to good old fashioned listening? Kurt, I'm not trying to single you out, but we should not need to have every QSO spotted so we know the listening frequency! How did we ever work DX *before* packet? 73 - Jim AD1C -- Jim Reisert AD1C, 7 Charlemont Court, North Chelmsford, MA 01863 USA +978-251-9933, [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://www.ad1c.us Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] KP5 QRT Saturday a.m.
Hi Osten, That is not fair!! I am listing to them call Europe as I type!! Bill W4WX - Original Message - From: Osten B Magnusson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: dx-chat@njdxa.org; Jim Reisert AD1C [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2005 10:39 AM Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] KP5 QRT Saturday a.m. Jim! It was easier before packet, clusters etc. as not everyone was calling at he same time - the clusters have destroyed DX-ing, and AK1A got into CQ DX Hall of Fame for inventing it... Now, if all Americans just were to learn in school that there is a continent called Europe also! The KP5-operators don't know it yet! 73 de Osten SM5DQC[EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Jim Reisert AD1C [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2005 4:13 PM Subject: RE: [DX-CHAT] KP5 QRT Saturday a.m. At 11:37 PM 12/16/2005, Kurt W. Zimmerman W2MW wrote: Just an FYI... I'm not impressed with the CW operation especially on 30m. Spots were poor on the cluster and there was no idea where he was listening. I sensed from quite a number of CW operators on the cluster their same frustration spending way too much time trying to find out where to transmit. Whatever happened to good old fashioned listening? Kurt, I'm not trying to single you out, but we should not need to have every QSO spotted so we know the listening frequency! How did we ever work DX *before* packet? 73 - Jim AD1C -- Jim Reisert AD1C, 7 Charlemont Court, North Chelmsford, MA 01863 USA +978-251-9933, [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://www.ad1c.us Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] KP5 QRT Saturday a.m.
Yes, they may be calling Europe now - but it's been dark here since hours, not a chance on 17 m. Some hours earlier when he was 59 here he only worked USA. Yes, I heard him once call Europe only but he didn't say USA stand by so after working two EU's he went on working USA... Also, propagations are very different between south Europe and up here near the arctic circle! We see a lot of TV-programs from USA, and children have no idea about Europe and the countries here. I need KP5 on 17 and 30 meters, have lots of cards from before 1993 - we were supposed not to call if we didn't need it for a totally new one, but I have heard a lot of US-stations which for sure have worked KP5 before! 73/DX de Osten SM5DQC[EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Bill [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Osten B Magnusson [EMAIL PROTECTED]; dx-chat@njdxa.org; Jim Reisert AD1C [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2005 4:50 PM Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] KP5 QRT Saturday a.m. Hi Osten, That is not fair!! I am listing to them call Europe as I type!! Bill W4WX - Original Message - From: Osten B Magnusson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: dx-chat@njdxa.org; Jim Reisert AD1C [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2005 10:39 AM Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] KP5 QRT Saturday a.m. Jim! It was easier before packet, clusters etc. as not everyone was calling at he same time - the clusters have destroyed DX-ing, and AK1A got into CQ DX Hall of Fame for inventing it... Now, if all Americans just were to learn in school that there is a continent called Europe also! The KP5-operators don't know it yet! 73 de Osten SM5DQC[EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Jim Reisert AD1C [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2005 4:13 PM Subject: RE: [DX-CHAT] KP5 QRT Saturday a.m. At 11:37 PM 12/16/2005, Kurt W. Zimmerman W2MW wrote: Just an FYI... I'm not impressed with the CW operation especially on 30m. Spots were poor on the cluster and there was no idea where he was listening. I sensed from quite a number of CW operators on the cluster their same frustration spending way too much time trying to find out where to transmit. Whatever happened to good old fashioned listening? Kurt, I'm not trying to single you out, but we should not need to have every QSO spotted so we know the listening frequency! How did we ever work DX *before* packet? 73 - Jim AD1C -- Jim Reisert AD1C, 7 Charlemont Court, North Chelmsford, MA 01863 USA +978-251-9933, [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://www.ad1c.us Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
[DX-CHAT] KP5 Operation
To the Operators on KP5 you gave the folks a very special XMAS present this year. You did a FANTASTIC JOB. The signals were strong and consistent each time I heard them. I believe all will applaud your efforts. If you didn't work them let's hope there will be a returned trip so others can share in the prize. I heard the team work the JA's and that is not easy. I heard them try for Europe and depending on the propagation it may not have been easy with the time of day and bands. I believe these guys did not have beams and were travelling light. REMEMBER this was a 48 hours trip so they had to get set up fast and get on the air. Folks we gotta remember that they went there on a job project and managed to put out a lot of hours working DX. No matter what one does in any DX Operation there will be comments about how it could have been done better or different. These guys should be praised for their efforts. For a DX country to stay dormant for so long and then activated with two operators who spent countless hours operating to give out a new one is again terrific. Always remember if you are not in someone Else's shoes you can't walk their mile. You might criticize but give these two guys there just rewards! thanks Bernie for alerting the folks and your efforts to keep us informed.For those who made it Congrats and to those who are not in the log I hope you get there the next time. Merry ChristmasThis is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.orgMichael W. ElliottTHE INSIDE ADVANTAGE -RETIREMENT - LEISURE, REST and ONLY ELECTRONIC MAIL PAYMENTSServant to Bridgett, Collin and all my CreditorsSt. Louis County Missouri
Re: [DX-CHAT] KP5 QRT Saturday a.m.
Jim writes:How did we ever work DX *before* packet? You know how we did..with paper logs, finding the right spot by hunting and a lot of patience. Looks like our push button culture has moved in on the DX scene. 73Norm K1AA Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] KP5 QRT Saturday a.m.
In a message dated 12/17/2005 8:58:00 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Isn't it amazing that people actually worked DX... No Urb, you didn't miss anything. It's the people that not only want but expect everything to be handed to them on a silver platter that missed something. Mort/WA2ARS
Re: [DX-CHAT] KP5 issues?
One of the last things K3LP said before pulling the plug was he would have a lot to tell once he got back. As he was going QRT he was saying they're standing right behind me now. and then silence. He also asked that everyone flood their QSL managers PO box with QSLs. Tom, WW5L PS: But to K3LP's credit once he heard the feds had landed he opened up his listening frequency to 20-30+ khz and said anyone call. I was able to work him about 10 minutes before they shut him down on 12m. From: mausoptik [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sat Dec 17 13:54:03 CST 2005 To: 'w2agn' [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: [DX-CHAT] KP5 issues? Has anyone heard any more news about what happened? If there was permission granted from the bureaucrats how come they got told to QRT and got hauled off the island? What was the law suit about? Let's hope this isn't another 7O1YGF. Dave G0OIL -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of w2agn Sent: 17 December 2005 17:53 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] [DX-NEWS] KP5 QRT Saturday a.m. Tom Anderson wrote: apparently the feds just shut them down at 1735 Tom, WW5L Tom Anderson wrote: K3LP/KH5 just announced that the feds apparently the USFWS cops were headed on shore to shut them down. Not surehow much longer he was going to be able to operate. 24.945 Tom, WW5L You know, it would appear that this was not an authorized operation, and so will be not acceptable for DXCC. Seems like a lot of folks may have spent a lot of time for nothing. -- _____ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ John L. Sielke ( W )( 2 )( A )( G )( N ) http://w2agn.net \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ CRUSTY OLD CURMUDGEON, AND PROUD OF IT Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
RE: [DX-CHAT] KP5 issues?
Tom, Something sounds wrong here .. It will be interesting to hear what they have to say. Joel, W1JMM -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Tom Anderson Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2005 8:04 PM To: mausoptik; 'w2agn'; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] KP5 issues? One of the last things K3LP said before pulling the plug was he would have a lot to tell once he got back. As he was going QRT he was saying they're standing right behind me now. and then silence. He also asked that everyone flood their QSL managers PO box with QSLs. Tom, WW5L PS: But to K3LP's credit once he heard the feds had landed he opened up his listening frequency to 20-30+ khz and said anyone call. I was able to work him about 10 minutes before they shut him down on 12m. From: mausoptik [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sat Dec 17 13:54:03 CST 2005 To: 'w2agn' [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: [DX-CHAT] KP5 issues? Has anyone heard any more news about what happened? If there was permission granted from the bureaucrats how come they got told to QRT and got hauled off the island? What was the law suit about? Let's hope this isn't another 7O1YGF. Dave G0OIL -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of w2agn Sent: 17 December 2005 17:53 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] [DX-NEWS] KP5 QRT Saturday a.m. Tom Anderson wrote: apparently the feds just shut them down at 1735 Tom, WW5L Tom Anderson wrote: K3LP/KH5 just announced that the feds apparently the USFWS cops were headed on shore to shut them down. Not surehow much longer he was going to be able to operate. 24.945 Tom, WW5L You know, it would appear that this was not an authorized operation, and so will be not acceptable for DXCC. Seems like a lot of folks may have spent a lot of time for nothing. -- _____ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ John L. Sielke ( W )( 2 )( A )( G )( N ) http://w2agn.net \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ CRUSTY OLD CURMUDGEON, AND PROUD OF IT Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: RE: [DX-CHAT] KP5 issues?
Joe: I'm sure things will be interesting to hear. All I know is that I heard K3LP say they were right behind him as he went QRT. Will be a great program at Dayton I'm sure. 73 de Tom, WW5L From: Joel Magid [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sat Dec 17 19:33:32 CST 2005 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], mausoptik [EMAIL PROTECTED], 'w2agn' [EMAIL PROTECTED], dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: RE: [DX-CHAT] KP5 issues? Tom, Something sounds wrong here .. It will be interesting to hear what they have to say. Joel, W1JMM -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Tom Anderson Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2005 8:04 PM To: mausoptik; 'w2agn'; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] KP5 issues? One of the last things K3LP said before pulling the plug was he would have a lot to tell once he got back. As he was going QRT he was saying they're standing right behind me now. and then silence. He also asked that everyone flood their QSL managers PO box with QSLs. Tom, WW5L PS: But to K3LP's credit once he heard the feds had landed he opened up his listening frequency to 20-30+ khz and said anyone call. I was able to work him about 10 minutes before they shut him down on 12m. From: mausoptik [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sat Dec 17 13:54:03 CST 2005 To: 'w2agn' [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: [DX-CHAT] KP5 issues? Has anyone heard any more news about what happened? If there was permission granted from the bureaucrats how come they got told to QRT and got hauled off the island? What was the law suit about? Let's hope this isn't another 7O1YGF. Dave G0OIL -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of w2agn Sent: 17 December 2005 17:53 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] [DX-NEWS] KP5 QRT Saturday a.m. Tom Anderson wrote: apparently the feds just shut them down at 1735 Tom, WW5L Tom Anderson wrote: K3LP/KH5 just announced that the feds apparently the USFWS cops were headed on shore to shut them down. Not surehow much longer he was going to be able to operate. 24.945 Tom, WW5L You know, it would appear that this was not an authorized operation, and so will be not acceptable for DXCC. Seems like a lot of folks may have spent a lot of time for nothing. -- _____ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ John L. Sielke ( W )( 2 )( A )( G )( N ) http://w2agn.net \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ CRUSTY OLD CURMUDGEON, AND PROUD OF IT Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
RE: [DX-CHAT] KP5 QRT Saturday a.m.
I can still recall working one of the (if not the) last KP5/KP2A DXpeditions to Desecheo... the pileups tended to be big, but I was still able to get them on three bands. Near the end of the DXpedition, I heard them calling CQ on 10 -- with no takers -- early one morning. Obviously the band had just opened and no one else had stumbled on them (yet) -- remember, this was in the days before packet cluster had really taken off. The op was a young man with a caribbean call (off hand I can't recall it, I think it was a V4 call tho). We chatted for a few minutes, and I even asked if he wanted to work me as KP5/his call -- he couldn't, his US license (a Novice call, I believe) didn't have the privileges at that time for phone in the part of the band we were in. Funny thing... and sad to say, I wonder if this would happen today... we didn't have a single interuption or break for the 5 or 10 minutes we ragchewed. But after those few minutes, I said something to the effect of I wonder if the band has opened up yet and if there's anyone else waiting to work you... KP5/KP2A from WN3VAW. Not more than a moment after I signed, minor bedlam descended as the pileup began... and I sat back, sipped my coffee, and listened... 73, ron wn3vaw -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Andrei Nevis Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2005 9:21 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; john; dx-news@njdxa.org Subject: Re: Re: [DX-NEWS] KP5 QRT Saturday a.m. Guys did Good job, Bravest Men! I still remember the time, about 10-11 years ago, I was on 80 meters and heard KP5/W5... Just do not remember the callsign off hand. Well, they were CQing lonely. I called them, got report, then asked the guys to QSY on 40 meters, no problem. Then they came back to 80 meters. Meanwhile, I called several Ham friends in W3, W5, and W7 I beleive, and told them that KP5 is on the air. My friends turned on their Radios, called KP5 and got the new one. (Well, it was not new for all of them) What are we facing now? Agents, Cops, Lawyers, Bulletproofs, etc? Oh, My God... My Hat's is off to K3LP. 73's Andrei EW1AR-NC2N (was AA3BG ten years ago) p.s. About the same 10 years ago, I was active from KP4/AA3BG etc. I have a good friend there, he is Ham Radio Operator, and used to work for KP4 Governeur for a long time. We had a paper, signed by the Governeur of Puerto Rico - to go to KP5, and guess what, that paper was overturned by wild life agents, some like that... Whatever, Season's Greetings to everybody. 73's Andrei EW1AR-NC2N Tom Anderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: John: It was interesting to hear K3LP/KH5 go QRT after working a W8 QRP staion, something like they're right behind me now. and then silence. Someone said on one of the lists why didn't they try to reason with the FWS agents (if thats who the cops were). I was a newspaper reporter for 20+ years and went on many different raids or busts or whatever you want to call them with city police, state police, and some federal agents, on all kinds of operations, even with the Texas Comptroller's Office tax agents when they raided busineeses for not paying state sales taxes they collected. (and an aside my sister-in-law was a Texas state revenue agent back in the 1980s), During nearly every operation officers never gave anyone a chance to explain or reason first, that might have come later, but they always wanted to get control of the situation first and then maybe listen later. Remember the photo of the INS agent holding an automatic weapon on Elian Gonzales the little Cuban child that had been ordered sent back to Cuba from Miami? This was a simple child return case, but the INS agent was wearing a stell helment, bulletproof vest, holding an autpomatic weapon, etc. and the look on Elian's face was something else looking down the barrel of that automatic weapon. As another aside, that photo won a Pulitzer Prize for news photography. I'm sure K3LP, et.al. will have a heck of a story to tell once they get back. Tom, WW5L From: john Date: Sat Dec 17 12:32:06 CST 2005 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], dx-news@njdxa.org Subject: Re: [DX-NEWS] KP5 QRT Saturday a.m. At 12:30 PM 12/17/2005, Tom Anderson wrote: K3LP/KH5 just announced that the feds apparently the USFWS cops were headed to shut them down. There's a lot of folks anxious to hear the rest of the story... about this. Glad to have snagged 'em last night on 40ssb. John K5MO -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.1/205 - Release Date: 12/16/2005 -- Archives http://www.mail-archive.com/dx-news@njdxa.org THE DXR is sponsored by the North Jersey DX Association. Please visit our website: http://www.njdxa.org/index.php
[DX-CHAT] KP5 - so sad
K3LP is operating right now on 40m SSB. His rate could easily double if ONLY the station he went back to responded. Instead, dozens of people keep calling on the same frequency, preventing him from completing the QSO. Nothing new, but still sad. 73 - Jim AD1C -- Jim Reisert AD1C, 7 Charlemont Court, North Chelmsford, MA 01863 USA +978-251-9933, , http://www.ad1c.us Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
[DX-CHAT] KP5
Received an E-Mail from Peter DeFazio and the following is an excerpt from it. For some reason, Chairman Pombo dropped his support for H.R. 298, so Mr. Rahall removed the Farallon Islands from the provisions in the bill and reintroduced it as H.R. 1183. So, the bills only differ in that the new bill only covers access to the Navassa refuge. Like most bills introduced in Congess, I don't anticipate either other of these becoming law. It is more likely that they will sit in committee without going anywhere since Chairman Pombo has complete control over what bills are acted upon. Rod WC7N Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] KP5
Mac you should have notice I didn't provide any commets. I just reported what he, or one of his aids, said. Rod WC7N - Original Message - From: Mac [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: DX-CHAT dx-chat@njdxa.org Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2005 6:09 PM Subject: RE: [DX-CHAT] KP5 Received an E-Mail from Peter DeFazio and the following is an excerpt from it. For some reason, Chairman Pombo dropped his support for H.R. 298, so Mr. Rahall removed the Farallon Islands from the provisions in the bill and reintroduced it as H.R. 1183. So, the bills only differ in that the new bill only covers access to the Navassa refuge. Like most bills introduced in Congess, I don't anticipate either other of these becoming law. It is more likely that they will sit in committee without going anywhere since Chairman Pombo has complete control over what bills are acted upon. Rod WC7N Rod, The following is clipped from the actual text of Bill HR 1183, which was written to please Chairman Pombo re the Farallon issue. HR 1183 DOES cover KP1 and KP5: IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES MARCH 9, 2005 Mr. RAHALL introduced the following bill; which was referred to the Committee on Resources A BILL To require the Secretary of the Interior to provide public access to Navassa National Wildlife Refuge and Desecheo National Wildlife Refuge. Mac, W8XF Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
