I've been reading everyone's thoughts on this subject and the
picture is that none of us know the real story regarding the operation. Probably
never will.
I don't understand the comments "that this has given us a
black eye".
The way I see it, that two guys asked for permission, it was
Actually the KP1-KP5 guys got the Congress involved last fall in a great
attempt to get the FWS to open up KP1 and KP5.
In fact, it was Rep. Rahall who was the sponsor of H.R.
1183.
Whoever has his ear obviously contributed big time to the Club Fed
report. It was very critical of the FWS for
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From: Zack Widup [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: dx-chat@njdxa.org
Sent: Friday, March 17, 2006 8:46 AM
Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] KP5 cards
LotW is just not the same as having a card in front of you that you can
hold, put on the wall, etc.
I suppose for the instant gratification generation
That was my point. Anything made easier loses its value when the struggle produces the reward. There are many "New Ones" that I can't even remember making the QSO, but I sure as heck remember the hassles, challenge, tribulations (and disappointments)getting (or not getting) the cards and
t: Re: [DX-CHAT] KP5 cards
That was my point. Anything made easier loses its value when the
struggle produces the reward. There are many "New Ones" that I can't
even remember making the QSO, but I sure as heck remember the hassles,
challenge, tribulations (and dis
Boy, this KP5 thing seems to be generating a lot of QRM. And,
for what? This is a hobby guys! No one will get even a slice of bread with it or
have one taken away because of it. The world will continue to
rotate.
I've heard no one say "I'm not going to submit my card until
I see the
of the
space on the chat page.
73 Norm K1AA
- Original Message -
From: Zack Widup [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: DX Chat dx-chat@njdxa.org
Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 12:24 AM
Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] KP5 Documents
On Thu, 16 Mar 2006, N7MAL wrote:
I've been doing a lot of searching
you refer to)
Best regards
Don
AC7ZG
-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of N7MALSent:
Wednesday, March 15, 2006 9:08 PMTo: Zack Widup; DX
ChatSubject: Re: [DX-CHAT] KP5 Documents
I've been doing a lot of searching through Gov't documents
Please take a look on my opinion, being someone of the outside world than
USA.
Freedom Act, for example, goes in the same direction of public opinion's
will: to know more in order to feed his own opinion.
Get a poll, and see how many people wants to know the FULL story.
Is ham radio a world
On Wed, 15 Mar 2006, N7MAL wrote:
Forgive me for asking a stupid question and throwing water on
everyone's parade but has anyone published a copy of the documents,
signed by FW, authorizing the KP5 operation...???...
I have never seen ANY documents published showing that any given
11:58 PM
Subject: RE: [DX-CHAT] KP5 ?
On Tue, 14 Mar 2006, Dave AA6YQ wrote:
Another question: how does a random licensed amateur cause the operation
to
be prematurely terminated? A Freedom of Information Act query into the
agency that implemented the termination might yield a clue or two
Navassa! Desecheo can wait. Navassa!
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf
Of petethepup
Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2006 9:18 AM
To: dx-chat@njdxa.org
Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] KP5 Documents
On Wed, 15 Mar 2006, N7MAL wrote:
Forgive me for asking
-Original Message-
Actually, according to information posted on Bernie's Daily DX site, it
was not some bureaocrat/political appointee, but rather a licensed
amateur who complained to his congressperson, who then complained to the
FWS.
So, it is a licensed amateur, motivated by reasons
Evening...been followng this for a while.I'm no detective expert or nothing but something smells here and smells bad. I followed the link Marty (or is it Paul) wrote about, to the ZD9 station. Looks like Bernie W3UR from the Daily DX supposedly pulled the identical stunt on this guy on ZD9 that
this without further proof is
uncalled for.
73,
ron wn3vaw
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of AC4NU FredSent:
Wednesday, March 15, 2006 10:50 PMTo:
dx-chat@njdxa.orgSubject: [DX-CHAT]
KP5and???Evening...been followng thi
nal
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From: Zack Widup
To: DX
Chat
Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2006 5:11
Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] KP5 Documents
On Wed, 15 Mar 2006, N7MAL
wrote: Forgive me for asking a stupid question and throwing water
on everyone's parade but has anyone published a copy of the
On Thu, 16 Mar 2006, N7MAL wrote:
I've been doing a lot of searching through Gov't documents, which are
accessible through the internet. It substantiated some very interesting,
although well known, information. Amateur Radio is expressly prohibited
on KP5 islands. Those of you who were
On Wed, 15 Mar 2006, Ron Notarius WN3VAW wrote:
Whoa! Strange is a word a half for this!
And with all due respect to Simon, I would sure like to know a little bit
more about who sent what emails to whom before I start trashing Bernie and
his reputation.
Who sent the emails?
What did
Well, it seems the order from on high for KP5 to QRT has
been dismissed as one of those things. Those who worked
them will get the card - myself included.
But my inquiring mind still wants to know who took it
upon them self to decide that KP5 should be cut short.
Rich, N8UX.
that
there is a next time, and that something like this won't happen the next
time.
73, ron wn3vaw
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf
Of petethepup
Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 11:16 AM
To: dx-chat@njdxa.org
Subject: [DX-CHAT] KP5 ?
Well
@njdxa.org
Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 11:16 AM
Subject: [DX-CHAT] KP5 ?
Well, it seems the order from on high for KP5 to QRT has
been dismissed as one of those things. Those who worked
them will get the card - myself included.
But my inquiring mind still wants to know who took it
upon them self
Jim Reisert AD1C wrote:
The Daily DX has had an exclusive on this story since it was published a
couple of weeks ago. I assume that Bernie W3UR or the author will publish the
information to the world shortly. In the mean time, speculation is just
that.
73 - Jim AD1C (a Daily DX subscriber)
:57 PM
To: dx-chat@njdxa.org
Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] KP5 ?
Actually, according to information posted on Bernie's Daily DX site, it
was not some bureaocrat/political appointee, but rather a licensed
amateur who complained to his congressperson, who then complained to the
FWS.
So, it is a licensed
: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 6:21 PM
To: dx-chat@njdxa.org
Subject: RE: [DX-CHAT] KP5 ?
And now the thread has gone full circle, as we've come right back to where
we started...
The question remains, though, as to WHY this schmuck did what they did.
73
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED
] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf
Of Ron Notarius WN3VAW
Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 6:21 PM
To: dx-chat@njdxa.org
Subject: RE: [DX-CHAT] KP5 ?
And now the thread has gone full circle, as we've come right back to where
we started...
The question remains, though, as to WHY this schmuck did what
I agree. Not to punish the schmuck per se, but to make sure that this type
of stunt doesn't happen again.
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf
Of Gary McClellan
Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 8:03 PM
Cc: dx-chat@njdxa.org
Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] KP5
To: 'Ron Notarius WN3VAW'; dx-chat@njdxa.org
Subject: RE: [DX-CHAT] KP5 ?
Whats done is done, no one can do anything about it so it's a closed story.
DONE. No one likes what happened , just have to put it in the past.
73 Pete
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL
Peteperhaps you know something?
NF4A
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
Gary McClellan
Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 7:03 PM
Cc: dx-chat@njdxa.org
Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] KP5 ?
Peter, sorry - NO we don't. I want to know WHY what
]]On Behalf
Of Gary McClellan
Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 8:03 PM
Cc: dx-chat@njdxa.org
Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] KP5 ?
Peter, sorry - NO we don't. I want to know WHY what was done WAS done.
Open story.
73, Gary K7ZD
Peter Penta wrote:
Whats done is done, no one can do anything about it so
It is sad that a simple but clear statement of the recent KP5 operation can
not just be published, apparently. Full disclosure will make everyone sit
easier.
However, after being somewhat involved in operations in XW, VU4, 9N, A5, and
so on, I also know that sometimes nothing can be said
: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 8:44
PM
Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] KP5 ?
The schmuck should be punished. It seems pretty obvious
to me that it was someone else who was wanting to go, but didn't have the
right connections to get approval. Then, in a selfish, sour grapes move,
he saw to it that if he
I'm betting he needs something besides KP5 for the top of the honor roll
and called his congressman to make sure no one passes him on the honor
roll. That or he had an expedition planned and he doesn't want anyone
stealing his thunder. Some hams are shallow and pathetic, so neither of
these
Fellow DXers:
Having been a newspaper reporter covering law enforcement for 20+ years
I can tell you whoever this is will spill the beans so to speak
eventually. People just like to brag. I've written about 100's of
cases where it wasn't necessarily good police work that solved it
What nasty rhetoric? There is quite a bit of innuendo going back and
forth, but no nasty rhetoric. I suppose if I had called my Congressman
asking to shut down the operation, I might be sweating a little, but I
don't think anyone considers anything that's been said here nasty
rhetoric.
Why
:
Tuesday, March 14, 2006 11:48 PMTo: DX ChatSubject:
[DX-CHAT] KP5 Documents
Forgive me for asking a stupid question and throwing water
on everyone's parade but has anyone published a copy of the documents, signed
by FW, authorizing the KP5 operation...???...
We all, hopefully, know KP5
On Tue, 14 Mar 2006, Peter Penta wrote:
Whats done is done, no one can do anything about it so it's a closed story.
DONE. No one likes what happened , just have to put it in the past.
73 Pete
You could say that about the JFK assassination, too. However, there are
On Tue, 14 Mar 2006, Dave AA6YQ wrote:
Another question: how does a random licensed amateur cause the operation to
be prematurely terminated? A Freedom of Information Act query into the
agency that implemented the termination might yield a clue or two.
73,
Dave, AA6YQ
I
On Wed, 15 Mar 2006, N7MAL wrote:
Forgive me for asking a stupid question and throwing water on
everyone's parade but has anyone published a copy of the documents,
signed by FW, authorizing the KP5 operation...???...
I have never seen ANY documents published showing that any given
Apparently there are no on-line logs for this one.
I did find a photo with more promised:
http://www.k3lp.com/k3lp_kp5.htm
73, Zack W9SZ
On Wed, 22 Feb 2006 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi all dx'ers
Any log online of KP5/N3KS ?
Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems
Any info about last DXPN on KP5 ???
OR We can treat this one same as 7O P5 areas !?!?!
Stay Tuned on SIX !!!
73,GLDX!!! de: MOME - Z32ZM
http://www.qsl.net/z32zm
--
From: Bernie McClenny [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 'Joel Magid'
17, 2005 8:09 AM
Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] KP5 QRT Saturday a.m.
This is the first time I have ever heard of poor spots. This is
unbelievable!!! These guys taking their time, money, etc and staying up
for hours without sleep in a tent at 120 degrees and you complaining about
the quality
Isn't it amazing that people actually worked DX, and sometimes made the
honor roll after years of hard work, before computers, clusters, and spots?
Did I miss something (I am getting old) where it was decreed that working
DX should be easy, lack of skill not withstanding?
There is a fundamental
-operators don't
know it yet!
73 de Osten SM5DQC[EMAIL PROTECTED]
- Original Message -
From: Jim Reisert AD1C [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: dx-chat@njdxa.org
Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2005 4:13 PM
Subject: RE: [DX-CHAT] KP5 QRT Saturday a.m.
At 11:37 PM 12/16/2005, Kurt W. Zimmerman
Hi Osten,
That is not fair!! I am listing to them call Europe as I type!!
Bill W4WX
- Original Message -
From: Osten B Magnusson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: dx-chat@njdxa.org; Jim Reisert AD1C [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2005 10:39 AM
Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] KP5 QRT
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Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2005 4:50 PM
Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] KP5 QRT Saturday a.m.
Hi Osten,
That is not fair!! I am listing to them call Europe as I type!!
Bill W4WX
- Original Message -
From: Osten B Magnusson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: dx-chat@njdxa.org; Jim Reisert AD1C [EMAIL
To the Operators on KP5 you gave the folks a very special XMAS present this year. You did a FANTASTIC JOB. The signals were strong and consistent each time I heard them. I believe all will applaud your efforts. If you didn't work them let's hope there will be a returned trip so others can
Jim writes:How did we ever work DX *before* packet?
You know how we did..with paper logs, finding the right spot by hunting
and a lot of patience.
Looks like our push button culture has moved in on the DX scene.
73Norm K1AA
Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems
In a message dated 12/17/2005 8:58:00 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Isn't it amazing that people actually worked DX...
No Urb, you didn't miss anything. It's the people that not only want but expect everything to be handed to them on a silver platter that missed something.
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Subject: [DX-CHAT] KP5 issues?
Has anyone heard any more news about what happened? If there was permission
granted from the bureaucrats how come they got told to QRT and got hauled
off the island? What was the law suit about?
Let's hope this isn't another
-chat@njdxa.org
Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] KP5 issues?
One of the last things K3LP said before pulling the plug was he would have a
lot to tell once he got back. As he was going QRT he was saying they're
standing right behind me now. and then silence.
He also asked that everyone flood their QSL
], mausoptik [EMAIL PROTECTED],
'w2agn' [EMAIL PROTECTED], dx-chat@njdxa.org
Subject: RE: [DX-CHAT] KP5 issues?
Tom,
Something sounds wrong here .. It will be interesting to hear what they
have to say.
Joel, W1JMM
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED
I can still recall working one of the (if not the) last KP5/KP2A DXpeditions
to Desecheo... the pileups tended to be big, but I was still able to get
them on three bands.
Near the end of the DXpedition, I heard them calling CQ on 10 -- with no
takers -- early one morning. Obviously the band had
K3LP is operating right now on 40m SSB. His rate could easily double if ONLY
the station he went back to responded. Instead, dozens of people keep calling
on the same frequency, preventing him from completing the QSO.
Nothing new, but still sad.
73 - Jim AD1C
-- Jim Reisert AD1C, 7
Received an E-Mail from Peter DeFazio and the following is an excerpt from
it.
For some reason, Chairman Pombo dropped his support for H.R. 298, so Mr.
Rahall removed the Farallon Islands from the provisions in the bill and
reintroduced it as H.R. 1183. So, the bills only differ in that the
Mac you should have notice I didn't provide any commets. I just reported
what he, or one of his aids, said.
Rod WC7N
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Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2005 6:09 PM
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