RE: [DX-CHAT] LOTW cannot possibly catch up
To anyone that has studied IT, Project Management, or any other topic management topic know it's all about time, cost, and scope. This can be that most greatest system it the world but it's getting to cost $$$ and take some time. So therefore the ARRL should charge the users the required cost ... SO PROBLEM SOLVED !! 73, W2CF Richard T. Schweizer 377 Canterbury Dr. Ramsey, NJ 07446 Telephone: (201) 825-4318 From: wn3...@verizon.net To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: RE: [DX-CHAT] LOTW cannot possibly catch up Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2012 18:56:42 -0500 Blaming the ARRL IT staff for the problem is pointless. I've dealt with them in the past on issues. They are doing the best they can with what resources they have been given. To use a poor analogy: This is akin to blaming the ditch digger for using a shovel, when a backhoe would be faster. The ditch digger would rather have a backhoe as well, but it's all he was issued. Or, it's akin to blaming the line crew working on a downed power line for taking 2 hours to arrive instead of 15 minutes, when it was the power company's management that consolidated the local maintenance garages into one central one 25 miles away, and then reduced the staff levels due to redundancy and efficiency. As I have said here and elsewhere: If you don't like the situation -- and I don't like it either -- complaining here is pointless. If you are an ARRL member, complain to your Division Director. The Division Directors make up the ARRL Board, and they are SUPPOSED to listen to the membership -- that's us, and remember, WE are the League, not the Board, not the HQ staff, but US, the members. If we don't tell them we're concerned, and that we want something done... nothing will happen. Further, considering that in the recent past... -- the design bug has been discovered and fixed, so no more mysterious loss of logs -- the update process is now more transparent, as new tools are available to track upload processing -- new hardware is on order -- the Trusted QSL open source project is being reopened (that's the programming that is at least part of the LotW system), and C++ developers are being sought to help -- and if you don't believe me on that or you didn't get the email, just ask AA6YQ ... I'd say that the Directors ARE hearing our concerns, and that they ARE telling the HQ staff to devote more resources to the system, and that things ARE moving along. Maybe not as fast as we want, but they ARE in progress. It may not be ideal. It's a start. So insulting the people in the trenches working on the system does little to no good. Kvetching about things here may blow off steam make you feel better, but does little good. You want something done? Contact your Division Director. And keep contacting him (or her). 73, ron w3wn -Original Message- From: kf...@njdxa.org [mailto:kf...@njdxa.org] On Behalf Of Joe Subich, W4TV Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2012 4:18 PM To: w...@suddenlink.net Cc: Dx-Chat Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] LOTW cannot possibly catch up SO, please let me ask; what do the complainers expect to accomplish by continuing to kick this horse? How about getting others involved in *doing something* about the problem? Since the ARRL IT department seems to want to bury its head in the sand and claims a new storage system will magically fix all the ills of LotW after doing nothing for three years ... since ARRL Management wants to spend as little as possible on LotW and has basically ignored it for six years, how about screaming at your Director to provide real resources for LotW and DX programs for a change? In case folks have forgotten, the DXCC Yearbook is no longer being mailed to each participant for free. DXCC fees went up this year, LotW fees went up this year (for those who generally purchased in bulk), etc. DX and contest related programs have been getting the short end of the stick for a lot of years ... this is one place that the line needs to be drawn. Fix LotW - stop giving it lip service. Instead of a clear and well researched diagnosis after appropriate tests and consultation, this patient who is slipping into a coma is being told take this expensive pill and call me in six months if you don't improve. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 12/15/2012 2:55 PM, Mike(W5UC) Kathy (K5MWH) wrote: All of us on this reflector are painfully aware that LoTW has a problem, Additionally we all have seen this discussion go on ad nausium. All of us are concerned about the problem. None of this is new NEWS. So far I have told you nothing new. The complaining goes on on, and accomplishes nothing. SO, please let me ask; what do the complainers expect to accomplish by continuing to kick this horse? If you just like to hear yourself complain, please, just send the e-mails to yourself, and spare the rest of us from
Re: [DX-CHAT] LOTW cannot possibly catch up
Remember the days when you mailed in cards to the league and it took 3 months. to process? I'll take 10 days over that anytime. It used to take 6 years to get your cards back from Box 88. Now I see even our Russian friends are on LOTW. And I had my PT0S 160 Qso confirmed in days. LOTW even at 20 days is a tremendous tool. I'm confident they'll figure this out, it's probably not a hardware issue only, but the database bogging down under the mountain of data. These things aren't as easily managed and scaleable as they appear to people not in the IT world. I don't understand the angst over a backlog of processing data during the end of the year rush. Unless the world really is going to end in a week like the Mayans predicted. 73 Don N1DG At 12:24 PM 12/14/2012, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: Go to the LOTW site and read carefully. There is a discussion that tells, in part, that new hardware is on order, and is expected to arrive in 6-8 weeks. THEY ARE WORKING ON IT!!! That is if you *believe* the claim that the hardware will fix it. With a very large database, decreases in throughput can just as easily be due to reaching a tipping point in the database structure (the point at which the indexing fails). Since there has been no diagnostic data reported to support the hardware hypothesis, users are left in a trust me position while the processing delay vaults past ten days as of approximately 16:30z today - on its way to 20 days by the end of the month. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 12/14/2012 11:42 AM, Mike(W5UC) Kathy (K5MWH) wrote: Go to the LOTW site and read carefully. There is a discussion that tells, in part, that new hardware is on order, and is expected to arrive in 6-8 weeks. THEY ARE WORKING ON IT!!! RELAX!!! Constantly getting your shorts all in a wad is uncomfortable, and bad for your health. It raises your blood pressure. 73, Mike, W5UC On 12/14/2012 9:08 AM, Charlie Wooten NF4A wrote: I wish you guys would quitcherbitchin about LOTW.give em a chance to fix the problem.don't sit there and criticize something that is allowing you to get DXCC confirmations in lightning speed compared to 10 years agotake off your computer expert hat and let the league's staff deal with the problem.. NF4A --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- - N1DG--Licensed since 1962 EX-WB2DND, A61AD (GUEST OP, QSL MGR), A52DG, /KH9, /BV, /VS6, /4X, /9V Pilot: VU7RG, 3Y0X, VK9ML, D68C, VK0IR, K8XP/KH9, 9M0C, ZK1XXP, ZL9CI Webmaster: VP8ORK, K4M, BS7H, K5K, A52A, VK0IR, 9M0C, ZK1XXP, WB2DND/KH9, BQ9P, ZL9CI QSL Manager: A61AD, A61AO, A61X, A61AQ, KH7Z Member: CWops, ARRL, DDXA, YCCC 2006 Inductee into the CQ DX Hall of Fame DON GREENBAUM , DUXBURY, MA, USA AIM: aurumtel --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org ---
Re: [DX-CHAT] LOTW cannot possibly catch up
LOTW even at 20 days is a tremendous tool. I'm not concerned about 20 days for a confirmation. My concern is 20 days (or more) even before the initial transaction is processed and I get confirmation that the QSOs are safely in the database. I'm confident they'll figure this out, it's probably not a hardware issue only, but the database bogging down under the mountain of data. I'm confident that it's not a hardware issue - the same hardware could process 100 QSOs/minute when LotW first went online according to info I've received privately from those who were there at the time. I would bet the storage hardware has not been properly maintained and tuned as the application changed. New storage hardware is a band-aid ... nothing more. LotW will have gone from 200 million QSO records in January 2009 to more than 470 million by the end of this year - that's over 3,000 QSOs/per hour. In the last 19 days more than 4.6 million new QSO records have been added to the database - that's more than 191,000 per day (3,200/hr). Now if LotW did not have a problem with 3,000 QSO/s per hour average (other than an occasional one or two day backlog around CQWW and ARRL DX) why does it suddenly have a 20 day delay? The issue is that ARRL's IT department and management have ignored the warning signs. Work should have been in full swing for some time to upgrade the entire program - not just a storage subsystem on an emergency basis and patch the tQSL interface - with something designed to handle the size and scope of a modern LotW. As it is, Newington still seems to have its collective head buried in the sand. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 12/15/2012 8:35 AM, Donald Greenbaum wrote: Remember the days when you mailed in cards to the league and it took 3 months. to process? I'll take 10 days over that anytime. It used to take 6 years to get your cards back from Box 88. Now I see even our Russian friends are on LOTW. And I had my PT0S 160 Qso confirmed in days. LOTW even at 20 days is a tremendous tool. I'm confident they'll figure this out, it's probably not a hardware issue only, but the database bogging down under the mountain of data. These things aren't as easily managed and scaleable as they appear to people not in the IT world. I don't understand the angst over a backlog of processing data during the end of the year rush. Unless the world really is going to end in a week like the Mayans predicted. 73 Don N1DG At 12:24 PM 12/14/2012, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: Go to the LOTW site and read carefully. There is a discussion that tells, in part, that new hardware is on order, and is expected to arrive in 6-8 weeks. THEY ARE WORKING ON IT!!! That is if you *believe* the claim that the hardware will fix it. With a very large database, decreases in throughput can just as easily be due to reaching a tipping point in the database structure (the point at which the indexing fails). Since there has been no diagnostic data reported to support the hardware hypothesis, users are left in a trust me position while the processing delay vaults past ten days as of approximately 16:30z today - on its way to 20 days by the end of the month. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 12/14/2012 11:42 AM, Mike(W5UC) Kathy (K5MWH) wrote: Go to the LOTW site and read carefully. There is a discussion that tells, in part, that new hardware is on order, and is expected to arrive in 6-8 weeks. THEY ARE WORKING ON IT!!! RELAX!!! Constantly getting your shorts all in a wad is uncomfortable, and bad for your health. It raises your blood pressure. 73, Mike, W5UC On 12/14/2012 9:08 AM, Charlie Wooten NF4A wrote: I wish you guys would quitcherbitchin about LOTW.give em a chance to fix the problem.don't sit there and criticize something that is allowing you to get DXCC confirmations in lightning speed compared to 10 years agotake off your computer expert hat and let the league's staff deal with the problem.. NF4A --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- - N1DG--Licensed since 1962 EX-WB2DND, A61AD (GUEST OP, QSL MGR), A52DG, /KH9, /BV, /VS6, /4X, /9V Pilot: VU7RG, 3Y0X, VK9ML, D68C, VK0IR, K8XP/KH9, 9M0C, ZK1XXP, ZL9CI Webmaster: VP8ORK, K4M, BS7H, K5K, A52A, VK0IR, 9M0C, ZK1XXP, WB2DND/KH9, BQ9P,
Re: [DX-CHAT] LOTW cannot possibly catch up
All of us on this reflector are painfully aware that LoTW has a problem, Additionally we all have seen this discussion go on ad nausium. All of us are concerned about the problem. None of this is new NEWS. So far I have told you nothing new. The complaining goes on on, and accomplishes nothing. SO, please let me ask; what do the complainers expect to accomplish by continuing to kick this horse? If you just like to hear yourself complain, please, just send the e-mails to yourself, and spare the rest of us from having to deal with all of the superfluous BS. 73, Mike, W5UC --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org ---
Re: [DX-CHAT] LOTW cannot possibly catch up
On 12/15/2012 Donald Greenbaum wrote: I don't understand the angst over a backlog of processing data during the end of the year rush. Unless the world really is going to end in a week like the Mayans predicted. 73 Don N1DG Partly because those of us who have been watching have come to realize that LOTW was 1)Losing files - which the league finally admitted and 2)the processing rate is getting MUCH slower, to the point that the delay is getting longer and longer, on the rough order of 20-23 hours/day (most days). The are currently at 10+ days - at THAT rate, we will be at 18 days for a file that is uploaded today, by that time, we'll be at 36 days. If things are not fixed, in 2-3 months, the backlog will be LONGER than your 3 months to get a card back The issue is not even that. I don't know if you are in the software business, I am, and a lot of people who are worried are also. We are seeing the symptoms of a system that is in distress and in danger of failure. We know that these kinds of problems are NOT usually a simple fix, and even if it is, there is significant testing needed. The time to call for the ARRL to fix the problem is before the system fails. Think of it like the STS Challenger - the engineers were watching the O rings, and were saying 'there are problems, that seem to get worse at low temps, but management kept saying 'no problem'. The trick is to SEE the problem BEFORE the system totally melts down This is the system showing a cough, and maybe if we do something now, we can save it before it dies, instead of waiting for it to turn to pneumonia and dyeing --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org ---
Re: [DX-CHAT] LOTW cannot possibly catch up
Might want to consider creating a filter for the thread? Maybe filter out any messages with LoTW in the subject field ;) 73, Mike, K2CD Mike(W5UC) Kathy (K5MWH) wrote: All of us on this reflector are painfully aware that LoTW has a problem, Additionally we all have seen this discussion go on ad nausium. All of us are concerned about the problem. None of this is new NEWS. So far I have told you nothing new. The complaining goes on on, and accomplishes nothing. SO, please let me ask; what do the complainers expect to accomplish by continuing to kick this horse? If you just like to hear yourself complain, please, just send the e-mails to yourself, and spare the rest of us from having to deal with all of the superfluous BS. 73, Mike, W5UC --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org ---
RE: [DX-CHAT] LOTW cannot possibly catch up
Every transaction-oriented software system has a performance bottleneck that limits its throughput. Eliminating that bottleneck -- either by improving the software or upgrading the hardware -- always reveals the next bottleneck. The ARRL has determined that LotW's throughput is limited by the rate at which new QSOs can be inserted into the database, and has ordered a new storage subsystem to eliminate this bottleneck. This step is necessary, but may or may not be sufficient; we should know in 4-6 weeks. At present, ~50% of the QSOs uploaded to LotW are duplicates. There are several practical ways to reduce the load that these duplicates impose on LotW without imposing onerous requirements on users; at least one of them will be implemented. The ARRL is now providing daily LotW status updates and hourly LotW Queue Length updates, a level of transparency we have long sought and should further encourage. Cynical, sarcastic, non-constructive posts second-guessing the ARRL's course of action are not the best way to accomplish this. I am not suggesting that anyone back off on expressing their interest in seeing LotW restored to reliable service. The constructive message to send to ARRL management and representatives is this: I'm glad that ARRL management is finally attending to LotW and hope that this first step is sufficient; but if it's not, I expect them to waste no time in taking the follow-on actions required to bring LotW to an acceptable level of throughput and reliability, keeping the user community abreast of their efforts. 73, Dave, AA6YQ --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org ---
RE: [DX-CHAT] LOTW cannot possibly catch up
Blaming the ARRL IT staff for the problem is pointless. I've dealt with them in the past on issues. They are doing the best they can with what resources they have been given. To use a poor analogy: This is akin to blaming the ditch digger for using a shovel, when a backhoe would be faster. The ditch digger would rather have a backhoe as well, but it's all he was issued. Or, it's akin to blaming the line crew working on a downed power line for taking 2 hours to arrive instead of 15 minutes, when it was the power company's management that consolidated the local maintenance garages into one central one 25 miles away, and then reduced the staff levels due to redundancy and efficiency. As I have said here and elsewhere: If you don't like the situation -- and I don't like it either -- complaining here is pointless. If you are an ARRL member, complain to your Division Director. The Division Directors make up the ARRL Board, and they are SUPPOSED to listen to the membership -- that's us, and remember, WE are the League, not the Board, not the HQ staff, but US, the members. If we don't tell them we're concerned, and that we want something done... nothing will happen. Further, considering that in the recent past... -- the design bug has been discovered and fixed, so no more mysterious loss of logs -- the update process is now more transparent, as new tools are available to track upload processing -- new hardware is on order -- the Trusted QSL open source project is being reopened (that's the programming that is at least part of the LotW system), and C++ developers are being sought to help -- and if you don't believe me on that or you didn't get the email, just ask AA6YQ ... I'd say that the Directors ARE hearing our concerns, and that they ARE telling the HQ staff to devote more resources to the system, and that things ARE moving along. Maybe not as fast as we want, but they ARE in progress. It may not be ideal. It's a start. So insulting the people in the trenches working on the system does little to no good. Kvetching about things here may blow off steam make you feel better, but does little good. You want something done? Contact your Division Director. And keep contacting him (or her). 73, ron w3wn -Original Message- From: kf...@njdxa.org [mailto:kf...@njdxa.org] On Behalf Of Joe Subich, W4TV Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2012 4:18 PM To: w...@suddenlink.net Cc: Dx-Chat Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] LOTW cannot possibly catch up SO, please let me ask; what do the complainers expect to accomplish by continuing to kick this horse? How about getting others involved in *doing something* about the problem? Since the ARRL IT department seems to want to bury its head in the sand and claims a new storage system will magically fix all the ills of LotW after doing nothing for three years ... since ARRL Management wants to spend as little as possible on LotW and has basically ignored it for six years, how about screaming at your Director to provide real resources for LotW and DX programs for a change? In case folks have forgotten, the DXCC Yearbook is no longer being mailed to each participant for free. DXCC fees went up this year, LotW fees went up this year (for those who generally purchased in bulk), etc. DX and contest related programs have been getting the short end of the stick for a lot of years ... this is one place that the line needs to be drawn. Fix LotW - stop giving it lip service. Instead of a clear and well researched diagnosis after appropriate tests and consultation, this patient who is slipping into a coma is being told take this expensive pill and call me in six months if you don't improve. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 12/15/2012 2:55 PM, Mike(W5UC) Kathy (K5MWH) wrote: All of us on this reflector are painfully aware that LoTW has a problem, Additionally we all have seen this discussion go on ad nausium. All of us are concerned about the problem. None of this is new NEWS. So far I have told you nothing new. The complaining goes on on, and accomplishes nothing. SO, please let me ask; what do the complainers expect to accomplish by continuing to kick this horse? If you just like to hear yourself complain, please, just send the e-mails to yourself, and spare the rest of us from having to deal with all of the superfluous BS. 73, Mike, W5UC --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT
[DX-CHAT] LOTW cannot possibly catch up
Perhaps this is a fluke, but if not, something is seriously wrong with the system. I'm looking at the lotw stats at http://www.arrl.org/logbook-queue-status 2012-12-14 11:02:10 28,382 8,932,232 3,874,028,579 2012-12-04 16:13:53 (9d 18h 48m 17s ago) 2012-12-14 10:02:27 28,370 8,960,484 3,884,882,489 2012-12-04 15:58:15 (9d 18h 04m 12s ago) Note that the number of QSOs to be processed dropped by ~28000 and the data to be processed dropped by about 10 Meg. The backlog increased by 44 minutes. Hmm... Barry W2UP --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org ---
Re: [DX-CHAT] LOTW cannot possibly catch up
Barry, The reported backlog is simply the time between upload of the last processed file and the reporting epoch. It is a backward looking statistic and not predictive. If you want predictive, look at the number of QSOs in the queue - which continues to increase - and apply an value for processing rate derived from the QSOs/time watching the home page or calculated based on processing time for some of the uploads in your activity from your own account. I use a factor of 360 QSOs/minute which makes the predictive delay for new uploads about 25,000 minutes or 17 days, 6 hours. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 12/14/2012 9:29 AM, Barry wrote: Perhaps this is a fluke, but if not, something is seriously wrong with the system. I'm looking at the lotw stats at http://www.arrl.org/logbook-queue-status 2012-12-14 11:02:10 28,382 8,932,232 3,874,028,579 2012-12-04 16:13:53 (9d 18h 48m 17s ago) 2012-12-14 10:02:27 28,370 8,960,484 3,884,882,489 2012-12-04 15:58:15 (9d 18h 04m 12s ago) Note that the number of QSOs to be processed dropped by ~28000 and the data to be processed dropped by about 10 Meg. The backlog increased by 44 minutes. Hmm... Barry W2UP --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org ---
Re: [DX-CHAT] LOTW cannot possibly catch up
Go to the LOTW site and read carefully. There is a discussion that tells, in part, that new hardware is on order, and is expected to arrive in 6-8 weeks. THEY ARE WORKING ON IT!!! RELAX!!! Constantly getting your shorts all in a wad is uncomfortable, and bad for your health. It raises your blood pressure. 73, Mike, W5UC On 12/14/2012 9:08 AM, Charlie Wooten NF4A wrote: I wish you guys would quitcherbitchin about LOTW.give em a chance to fix the problem.don't sit there and criticize something that is allowing you to get DXCC confirmations in lightning speed compared to 10 years agotake off your computer expert hat and let the league's staff deal with the problem.. NF4A --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org ---
Re: [DX-CHAT] LOTW cannot possibly catch up
Go to the LOTW site and read carefully. There is a discussion that tells, in part, that new hardware is on order, and is expected to arrive in 6-8 weeks. THEY ARE WORKING ON IT!!! That is if you *believe* the claim that the hardware will fix it. With a very large database, decreases in throughput can just as easily be due to reaching a tipping point in the database structure (the point at which the indexing fails). Since there has been no diagnostic data reported to support the hardware hypothesis, users are left in a trust me position while the processing delay vaults past ten days as of approximately 16:30z today - on its way to 20 days by the end of the month. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 12/14/2012 11:42 AM, Mike(W5UC) Kathy (K5MWH) wrote: Go to the LOTW site and read carefully. There is a discussion that tells, in part, that new hardware is on order, and is expected to arrive in 6-8 weeks. THEY ARE WORKING ON IT!!! RELAX!!! Constantly getting your shorts all in a wad is uncomfortable, and bad for your health. It raises your blood pressure. 73, Mike, W5UC On 12/14/2012 9:08 AM, Charlie Wooten NF4A wrote: I wish you guys would quitcherbitchin about LOTW.give em a chance to fix the problem.don't sit there and criticize something that is allowing you to get DXCC confirmations in lightning speed compared to 10 years agotake off your computer expert hat and let the league's staff deal with the problem.. NF4A --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org ---
Re: [DX-CHAT] LOTW cannot possibly catch up
On 12/14/2012 11:24 AM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: Go to the LOTW site and read carefully. There is a discussion that tells, in part, that new hardware is on order, and is expected to arrive in 6-8 weeks. THEY ARE WORKING ON IT!!! That is if you *believe* the claim that the hardware will fix it. Joe, please tell me what my other choices are With a very large database, decreases in throughput can just as easily be due to reaching a tipping point in the database structure (the point at which the indexing fails). Since there has been no diagnostic data reported to support the hardware hypothesis, users are left in a trust me position while the processing delay vaults past ten days as of approximately 16:30z today - on its way to 20 days by the end of the month. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 12/14/2012 11:42 AM, Mike(W5UC) Kathy (K5MWH) wrote: Go to the LOTW site and read carefully. There is a discussion that tells, in part, that new hardware is on order, and is expected to arrive in 6-8 weeks. THEY ARE WORKING ON IT!!! RELAX!!! Constantly getting your shorts all in a wad is uncomfortable, and bad for your health. It raises your blood pressure. 73, Mike, W5UC On 12/14/2012 9:08 AM, Charlie Wooten NF4A wrote: I wish you guys would quitcherbitchin about LOTW.give em a chance to fix the problem.don't sit there and criticize something that is allowing you to get DXCC confirmations in lightning speed compared to 10 years agotake off your computer expert hat and let the league's staff deal with the problem.. NF4A --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org ---
Re: Re: [DX-CHAT] LOTW cannot possibly catch up
No Ryan, the League is not a dictatorship. To answer more generically, and not specifically to you (or just you): However: If you want change, and are not happy with the current situation with the Logbook server... kvetching about it on this reflector will not accomplish anything. And I think that was, in a roundabout way, Charlie's point. Not to pick on any one individual, but between the various DX contest related email reflectors I'm on, and the various web site forums I participate in (I still owe you a drink at the bar), there do seem to be a handful of people who are constantly nitpicking at every little detail. Again: I'm not saying that they're wrong to do so (nor am I saying that they're right to do so, mind you). I AM saying that they are kvetching in the wrong forum. They've made their point, and now it becomes piling on. As I've said before, here and elsewhere: If you don't like the situation, don't post about it on a forum, or send an email to a reflector. WRITE YOUR DIVISION DIRECTOR and tell HIM (or HER). Write the ARRL President and VP's. THEY are the Board of Directors. THEY set policy. Not the HQ staff (at least on paper). And the policy they set is supposed to be based on what WE, the membership, tell them. And I think the recent revelation of new hardware being ordered, with delivery installation expected in a few weeks, means that they've heard us. But that doesn't mean we should stop -- just that we need to voice our opinions in the right way to the right people. But: if we don't tell them... nothing will change. 73, ron w3wn On 12/14/12, Ryan Jairam wrote: Has the league become a dictatorship now? Last I checked I voted in elections a month ago... We aren't just customers of ARRL, we ARE ARRL and if we don't like how things are going, we have a right to demand change. 73 Ryan, N2RJ On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 10:08 AM, Charlie Wooten NF4A n...@knology.net wrote: I wish you guys would quitcherbitchin about LOTW.give em a chance to fix the problem.don't sit there and criticize something that is allowing you to get DXCC confirmations in lightning speed compared to 10 years agotake off your computer expert hat and let the league's staff deal with the problem.. NF4A --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- -- Ryan A. Jairam --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org ---
Re: Re: [DX-CHAT] LOTW cannot possibly catch up
That's correct, Ron. You complain about it to your division director, who will speak on your behalf. But there's nothing wrong with discussing it here, IMO. Maybe they DO read things here... I work in web technology for a living, and you know what? Sometimes I do go searching the web for things that people are complaining about our sites. Sometimes I even get requests from others working with me, where people are complaining in various other places about little things. Social sites such as Twitter and Facebook are especially useful for this. It's not the preferred method but sometimes it gathers the right attention, and I think people speak more freely this way instead of when the complain directly to you. As for hardware fixing the problem, based on my past experience, I don't think it will make much difference unless they were running 10 year old hardware, or someone's old recycled PC. I literally shook my head when they said they thought that replacing spinning iron with solid state drives would help significantly. I personally think that's not going to work. But I could be wrong, so let's hope it works. But from other places I gather that they are doing something on the software front as well, so we'll see what they do. 73 Ryan, N2RJ On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 12:11 PM, Ron Notarius W3WN wn3...@verizon.net wrote: No Ryan, the League is not a dictatorship. To answer more generically, and not specifically to you (or just you): However: If you want change, and are not happy with the current situation with the Logbook server... kvetching about it on this reflector will not accomplish anything. And I think that was, in a roundabout way, Charlie's point. Not to pick on any one individual, but between the various DX contest related email reflectors I'm on, and the various web site forums I participate in (I still owe you a drink at the bar), there do seem to be a handful of people who are constantly nitpicking at every little detail. Again: I'm not saying that they're wrong to do so (nor am I saying that they're right to do so, mind you). I AM saying that they are kvetching in the wrong forum. They've made their point, and now it becomes piling on. As I've said before, here and elsewhere: If you don't like the situation, don't post about it on a forum, or send an email to a reflector. WRITE YOUR DIVISION DIRECTOR and tell HIM (or HER). Write the ARRL President and VP's. THEY are the Board of Directors. THEY set policy. Not the HQ staff (at least on paper). And the policy they set is supposed to be based on what WE, the membership, tell them. And I think the recent revelation of new hardware being ordered, with delivery installation expected in a few weeks, means that they've heard us. But that doesn't mean we should stop -- just that we need to voice our opinions in the right way to the right people. But: if we don't tell them... nothing will change. 73, ron w3wn On 12/14/12, Ryan Jairam wrote: Has the league become a dictatorship now? Last I checked I voted in elections a month ago... We aren't just customers of ARRL, we ARE ARRL and if we don't like how things are going, we have a right to demand change. 73 Ryan, N2RJ On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 10:08 AM, Charlie Wooten NF4A n...@knology.net wrote: I wish you guys would quitcherbitchin about LOTW.give em a chance to fix the problem.don't sit there and criticize something that is allowing you to get DXCC confirmations in lightning speed compared to 10 years agotake off your computer expert hat and let the league's staff deal with the problem.. NF4A --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- -- Ryan A. Jairam --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- -- Ryan A. Jairam --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe
Re: [DX-CHAT] LOTW cannot possibly catch up
OK, great idea, and then what? If we believe that the present IT dept isn't being truthful with us, why should we expect that our 'insisting will change anything? Quite sometime ago I suggested to my director that LoTW be shut down for as long as necessary to achieve a long term solution. IMHO, my only practical choice is to relax and wait. Clearly, pitching a bitch here hasn't worked, and isn't likely to. 73, Mike, W5UC On 12/14/2012 11:59 AM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: Insist on transparency from ARRL. I have a problem believing a solution presented as the only option by the same IT department that allowed LotW to run out of disk space and crash. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 12/14/2012 12:31 PM, Mike(W5UC) Kathy (K5MWH) wrote: On 12/14/2012 11:24 AM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: Go to the LOTW site and read carefully. There is a discussion that tells, in part, that new hardware is on order, and is expected to arrive in 6-8 weeks. THEY ARE WORKING ON IT!!! That is if you *believe* the claim that the hardware will fix it. Joe, please tell me what my other choices are --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org ---
Re: [DX-CHAT] LoTW
On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 6:38 PM, Jim Abercrombie 4...@prtcnet.com wrote: I have a new computer after the old one crashed and I lost all my data that wasn't backed up. Registered for LoTW again and was successful. Sent Don Sumner at ARRL HQ an email commending Mike for making the LoTW a pleasant experience. Don replied and told me Mike's name, but he said they were still having problems with LoTW and were still working on it. http://www.arrl.org/news/arrl-s-logbook-of-the-world-bug-fix-is-on-the-way http://www.arrl.org/news/update-to-logbook-of-the-world-bug-fix -- Jim Reisert AD1C, jjreis...@alum.mit.edu, http://www.ad1c.us --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org ---
[DX-CHAT] LOTW
FYI, an upload I made on 4 NOV was just processed this afternoon. Barry W2UP --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org ---
RE: [DX-CHAT] LoTW down?
Their server admins ran out of chewing gum and the bailing wire is still on back-order. - pjd -Original Message- From: kf...@njdxa.org [mailto:kf...@njdxa.org] On Behalf Of Ryan Jairam Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 10:39 AM To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: [DX-CHAT] LoTW down? Looks like LoTW has been down since yesterday, along with online DXCC. I know they've had a processing delay of up to 24 hours. I hope everything is OK. -- Ryan, N2RJ --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org ---
[DX-CHAT] LOTW
I submitted my LOTW credits on-line Saturday and we had Memorial day yesterday. My LOTW were accepted and confirmed when I looked about 1PM today, Tuesday. Fast turn around!! Jim N4JA --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org ---
Re: [DX-CHAT] LOTW
Well, Jim, I think it is great service by ARRL's computer system. Also, may be the explanation for high and permanent unemployment. Sorry abt my comment. 73 Lou KE1F On 5/29/2012 1:28 PM, JIM Abercrombie wrote: I submitted my LOTW credits on-line Saturday and we had Memorial day yesterday. My LOTW were accepted and confirmed when I looked about 1PM today, Tuesday. Fast turn around!! Jim N4JA --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org ---
[DX-CHAT] LOTW Error ?
Did anyone work TI5/K2PLF ? When I received confirmation from LOTW , The entity was listed as United States of America. The zone was # 7. I'll try to email ARRL and let them know. 73, Mark..K2AU --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org ---
Re: [DX-CHAT] LOTW Error ?
That may be an error in the certificate... that is to say, the wrong entity was put in when the certificate was applied for. So while the error is showing in LotW, this may be more of a case of GIGO 73 On 02/29/12, Mark Horowitz wrote: Did anyone work TI5/K2PLF ? When I received confirmation from LOTW , The entity was listed as United States of America. The zone was # 7. I'll try to email ARRL and let them know. 73, Mark..K2AU --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org ---
Re: [DX-CHAT] LOTW Error ?
When I received confirmation from LOTW , The entity was listed as United States of America. The zone was # 7. This probably means that K2PLF requested a certificate for the United States or possibly signed the TI5/K2LPF logs with a US certificate and the correct station location. I do not know if LotW can remove the upload/match but you will certainly need to contact K2LPF and him him get/user the correct certificate. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 2/29/2012 8:02 AM, Mark Horowitz wrote: Did anyone work TI5/K2PLF ? When I received confirmation from LOTW , The entity was listed as United States of America. The zone was # 7. I'll try to email ARRL and let them know. 73, Mark..K2AU --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org ---
Vedr: [DX-CHAT] -LOTW
Oh, heck Rag, that’s easy. Some people don’t have computers in their shack… or even their home. May be hard to believe, but it’s true (I know quite a few right here in my town). So Logbook of the World is not an option for them at all. Well, then they are probably not in the DXCC programme ! If they are, they have the option of asking for a paper-QSL. I know many people who like to do both. Some people are old fashioned. They just plain like having the physical card. You can put me in that camp. There’s something about that physical card that an electronic confirmation just doesn’t come anywhere near. Some people just don’t like the ARRL. “Why” is an entirely different matter for another time. For this group, if the League had anything to do with it, it must be bad. Lack of solidarity is regrettable, but that is their problem that should not influence anything related to DX-ing Some believe (IMHO quite incorrectly) that LotW is, in one form or another, “too hard” to use. Even if you help get them set up, they won’t upload… unless you (or someone) is willing to do all the work for them. I was in that camp for many years until we had someone lecturing on LOTW in the local club! Teaching old dogs new tricks ... Now I realise the many advantages and the considerable cost savings afforded all concerned. 73 MX Rag LA5HE Some people don’t want to be bothered with the security. You will read or hear the argument that LotW is more secure than most banks, credit cards, or other financial institutions. Which actually says a lot more about how insecure your money and credit might be, but you’ll never convince them of that. Some like the concept of LotW, but are convinced that it’s somehow a money-making scheme that will rip off the average amateur. You can open the books and show them otherwise, but they won’t believe you. Some believe that LotW is a concept stolen from eQSL. And they’ve chosen sides… you can tell them all you want about the history behind LotW, and how for decades people (I’m one of these too) at the DX Forum at the Dayton Hamvention amongst other places, long before the advent of the World Wide Web, begging for something like this. They won’t believe you. And some people are just ornery, crotchety curmudgeons who don’t like change or anything new. If it was good enough for Hiram Percy Maxim, it was good enough for them. (Don’t look for these guys on PSK-31… or even SSB) Given time, I’m sure we can come up with more reasons. But most importantly, never forget that Logbook of the World is meant to supplement the traditional QSL process, or serve as an alternative to it. It was never meant to outright replace the traditional QSL card in the short term, if ever. Now given time, to say nothing of postage increases IRC acquisition hassles, I’m certain that you will see more and more people accept and use LotW in place of the traditional card. But the QSL card will always have its place. It will be a sad day when it fades away. 73, ron w3wn From:kf...@njdxa.org [mailto:kf...@njdxa.org] On Behalf Of ragnar otterstad Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 8:09 PM To: DX-Chat@njdxa.org Subject: [DX-CHAT] -LOTW However, at $2.00 per card there is not a lot of net profit in direct cards after printing and postage. An SASE to/from an in country manager is a net loss to the DXpedition. 73, ... Joe, W4TV What you say makes perfect sense-.Add the cost for the deserving and it becomes obvious that LOTW is a Win-Win situation. So why some people are so reluctant to use right away it escapes me . 73 Rag LA5HE --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org ---
[DX-CHAT] LOTW praise
From another reflector : Meldingstekst Yesterday, having got E51MAN LOTW confirmations, I submitted a LOTW-only DXCC update, the first since Oct 2010. This morning my LOTW totals have been updated. Fantastic, well done to NC1L team. -- 73 Alan 5B4AHJ-5B50J-P3J N7OU is to be commended for his Pacific dxpeditions over the past couple of years ! Excellent operator and timely LOTW update ! Prime example of high standard ! 73 rag la5he --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org ---
Re: [DX-CHAT] -LOTW
On 12/21/2011 5:56 PM, Ron Notarius W3WN wrote: Oh yes Rag, you've made more than a few points. But let's stick to the important one... I am positive that the ST0R logs will be on Logbook of the World at some point. I'm not going to spend time combing their web site to find out when they plan to do that. The group has done several other trips in the past, including E4X Palestine, that have been uploaded in the past... why would they change now? Good morning Ron all: For what it's worth, I'm not sure how the ST0R folks are making the decisions about uploading to LOTW, but I was quite late in requesting a card. I used the method on their web site that sent the minimum $ via Pay Pal. Very quickly I received a paper QSL, and somewhere in the same time frame a confirmation showed up in my LOTW account. Yesterday I sent for it and several other LOTW credits, and zip-pop, it was done. No Sweat, new one confirmed. 73, Mike, W5UC --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org ---
RE: [DX-CHAT] -LOTW
Mike, Some people want LoTW confirmations immediately after DXpedition is over without any contribution. I guess their next move should be requesting free LoTW confirmations at ARRL. 73's Boris E73Y -Original Message- From: kf...@njdxa.org on behalf of Mike(W5UC) Sent: čet 22.12.2011 13:39 To: wn3...@verizon.net Cc: dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] -LOTW On 12/21/2011 5:56 PM, Ron Notarius W3WN wrote: Oh yes Rag, you've made more than a few points. But let's stick to the important one... I am positive that the ST0R logs will be on Logbook of the World at some point. I'm not going to spend time combing their web site to find out when they plan to do that. The group has done several other trips in the past, including E4X Palestine, that have been uploaded in the past... why would they change now? Good morning Ron all: For what it's worth, I'm not sure how the ST0R folks are making the decisions about uploading to LOTW, but I was quite late in requesting a card. I used the method on their web site that sent the minimum $ via Pay Pal. Very quickly I received a paper QSL, and somewhere in the same time frame a confirmation showed up in my LOTW account. Yesterday I sent for it and several other LOTW credits, and zip-pop, it was done. No Sweat, new one confirmed. 73, Mike, W5UC --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org ---
Re: [DX-CHAT] -LOTW
One could argue that LotW is the electronic equivalent of a bureau card but it does not require printing, handling, or shipping. Since LotW requires no processing ... LotW should reasonably be available within six weeks or so after the end of the DXpedition to allow the team to return home and submit the necessary paperwork for approval of the operation and LotW certificate. The extent to which one agrees with the upload quickly camp depends on the degree to which one believes that QSLing is a profit center for the DXpedition. However, at $2.00 per card there is not a lot of net profit in direct cards after printing and postage. An SASE to/from an in country manager is a net loss to the DXpedition. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 12/22/2011 10:23 AM, Boris Knezović wrote: Mike, Some people want LoTW confirmations immediately after DXpedition is over without any contribution. I guess their next move should be requesting free LoTW confirmations at ARRL. 73's Boris E73Y -Original Message- From: kf...@njdxa.org on behalf of Mike(W5UC) Sent: čet 22.12.2011 13:39 To: wn3...@verizon.net Cc: dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] -LOTW On 12/21/2011 5:56 PM, Ron Notarius W3WN wrote: Oh yes Rag, you've made more than a few points. But let's stick to the important one... I am positive that the ST0R logs will be on Logbook of the World at some point. I'm not going to spend time combing their web site to find out when they plan to do that. The group has done several other trips in the past, including E4X Palestine, that have been uploaded in the past... why would they change now? Good morning Ron all: For what it's worth, I'm not sure how the ST0R folks are making the decisions about uploading to LOTW, but I was quite late in requesting a card. I used the method on their web site that sent the minimum $ via Pay Pal. Very quickly I received a paper QSL, and somewhere in the same time frame a confirmation showed up in my LOTW account. Yesterday I sent for it and several other LOTW credits, and zip-pop, it was done. No Sweat, new one confirmed. 73, Mike, W5UC --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org ---
RE: [DX-CHAT] -LOTW (Long)
I think a few general comments on use of Logbook of the World are in order.Of course, first and foremost, this is my opinion only, YMMV.And by no means is this a criticism of LotW. I am very much in favor of the entire concept. If I have any gripe at all, it would be more of a lament that more resources are not devoted towards it, not just in terms of maintaining the code, the databases, and the server itself... but towards improving and expanding the capabilities of the system. But that's not my purpose today.I think that this entire discussion, with regards to STØR in particular, has overlooked one very important point:Just because you CAN do something does not always mean you SHOULD.Yes, the capability to upload almost instantly is there, and it's great. But it's one thing for you or I as individuals to do this. We keep our logs, we know our logs, we know right away what's legit and what isn't (or at least I do, I hope you do to!) Things get a mite more complicated when it comes to multi-op logs, especially from a major, multioperator, multi-national DXpedition anywhere near this scope. Station and mode logs have to be merged, some processing and cross checking has to be done, in some cases some issues with language related discrepancies (starting with American English vs. British English!) might need resolved. Problems noted with regards to posted on-line "on demand" logs mayneed addressed as well.This has to be done sooner or later; better to do it first and get it right while things are still "fresh" in everyone's mind. So there's one delay.Second, I think we get a little spoiled. Yes, some groups have their act together better than others. Some plan better or more thoroughly. Or, more lilkely, some groups have different priorities... maybe Logbook (or eQSL or similar services) is not a high priority to them, other things are being taken care of first,before, during and/or after the trip. So there's another reason why there may be a delay between the time a trip ends and the logs get posted.Most importantly... last but certainly not least... appearances to the contrary, most (the vast majority by far) of the DXpedition operators are not professionals. They don't play radio for a living. Yes, I know, many are now retired and have money to burn and time to devote. But many have families and jobs and other obligations. Sure, they just carved out 2 weeks to a month or more to operate from Lower Slobovia for your pleasure... and that includes transport back and forth... now they have to return to real life. No doubt they have things to catch up on. And many are probably a little tired and weary from days or weeks of operating, and need a chance to take a breath, recharge, and do something else. Big deal, then let the QSL manager do it, you think? Sometimes the QSL manager (or the leader of the QSL processing group) is a member of the team that took the trip; see paragraph above. And they still need time to process the logs, get the cards printed, and allthat.So what's the rush? Why the demands to get cards turned around so quickly, or to get the logs posted?In no particular order: Impatience and ego. A combination of "I need it NOW" and "I need to brag about it NOW" Yeah, OK, I know that the ARRL's deadline for the annual status checks is the end of the year. So it's missed. So what? So the end of the year snapshot shows you 1 shy of HR, or 1 shy of the top. So what? You think you're the only one? You think you're being singled out? On the contrary; it's not just you, it's hundreds, maybe thousands, all in the same boat, waiting for the elusive confirmation.Does your ego demand that YOU must be taken care of ahead of everyone else? [If so, you may need professional assistance in dealing with this.]What is the worse case? You get your confirmation next year instead of next week. But you still get it. OK, OK, I know that there have been a few indiviuals, and a few groups, that have stated that theyare holding back on LotW until all of the direct cards are issued (to be "fair"), or are giving their donors a "perk" by uploading them first. I'm not going to defend this as "right", nor am I going to defend anyone (individual or group) who holds up ANY confirmation process (paper or electronic) to help pay the bills. Too many people go on DXpeditions for the sake of their egos. I'm not saying that's a bad thing (after all, otherwise they might not go at all!), but let's keep this in perspective: They're going because they WANT to go. Fine. Just don't expect ME to pay to feed YOUR ego. If you can't afford to go, then don't go.Yes, let me say that again: If you can't afford to go, then don't go. Don't demand "donations" to pay for your trip... or your radio operating while on vacation. And don't hold confirmations up as a hostage until you get the loot. That's called "blackmail" and I do believe it's illegal.Sure. Some places are rare because they are hard to get to, the trip is difficult, and it's
[DX-CHAT] -LOTW
However, at $2.00 per card there is not a lot of net profit in direct cards after printing and postage. An SASE to/from an in country manager is a net loss to the DXpedition. 73, ... Joe, W4TV What you say makes perfect sense-.Add the cost for the deserving and it becomes obvious that LOTW is a Win-Win situation. So why some people are so reluctant to use right away it escapes me . 73 Rag LA5HE --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org ---
RE: [DX-CHAT] -LOTW
Oh, heck Rag, that's easy. Some people don't have computers in their shack. or even their home. May be hard to believe, but it's true (I know quite a few right here in my town). So Logbook of the World is not an option for them at all. Some people are old fashioned. They just plain like having the physical card. You can put me in that camp. There's something about that physical card that an electronic confirmation just doesn't come anywhere near. Some people just don't like the ARRL. Why is an entirely different matter for another time. For this group, if the League had anything to do with it, it must be bad. Some believe (IMHO quite incorrectly) that LotW is, in one form or another, too hard to use. Even if you help get them set up, they won't upload. unless you (or someone) is willing to do all the work for them. Some people don't want to be bothered with the security. You will read or hear the argument that LotW is more secure than most banks, credit cards, or other financial institutions. Which actually says a lot more about how insecure your money and credit might be, but you'll never convince them of that. Some like the concept of LotW, but are convinced that it's somehow a money-making scheme that will rip off the average amateur. You can open the books and show them otherwise, but they won't believe you. Some believe that LotW is a concept stolen from eQSL. And they've chosen sides. you can tell them all you want about the history behind LotW, and how for decades people (I'm one of these too) at the DX Forum at the Dayton Hamvention amongst other places, long before the advent of the World Wide Web, begging for something like this. They won't believe you. And some people are just ornery, crotchety curmudgeons who don't like change or anything new. If it was good enough for Hiram Percy Maxim, it was good enough for them. (Don't look for these guys on PSK-31. or even SSB) Given time, I'm sure we can come up with more reasons. But most importantly, never forget that Logbook of the World is meant to supplement the traditional QSL process, or serve as an alternative to it. It was never meant to outright replace the traditional QSL card in the short term, if ever. Now given time, to say nothing of postage increases IRC acquisition hassles, I'm certain that you will see more and more people accept and use LotW in place of the traditional card. But the QSL card will always have its place. It will be a sad day when it fades away. 73, ron w3wn _ From: kf...@njdxa.org [mailto:kf...@njdxa.org] On Behalf Of ragnar otterstad Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 8:09 PM To: DX-Chat@njdxa.org Subject: [DX-CHAT] -LOTW However, at $2.00 per card there is not a lot of net profit in direct cards after printing and postage. An SASE to/from an in country manager is a net loss to the DXpedition. 73, ... Joe, W4TV What you say makes perfect sense-.Add the cost for the deserving and it becomes obvious that LOTW is a Win-Win situation. So why some people are so reluctant to use right away it escapes me . 73 Rag LA5HE --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org ---
Re: [DX-CHAT] -LOTW
I have to comment on a couple of these: On 12/22/11, Ron Notarius W3WN wn3...@verizon.net wrote: Oh, heck Rag, that's easy. Some people don't have computers in their shack. or even their home. May be hard to believe, but it's true (I know quite a few right here in my town). So Logbook of the World is not an option for them at all. Some people just don't like the ARRL. Why is an entirely different matter for another time. For this group, if the League had anything to do with it, it must be bad. Are these people likely to be participating in DXCC? I know some ARRL-haters who say they do not and will not participate in ARRL awards programs. Some people don't want to be bothered with the security. You will read or hear the argument that LotW is more secure than most banks, credit cards, or other financial institutions. Which actually says a lot more about how insecure your money and credit might be, but you'll never convince them of that. I've had credit card info hijacked at least once a year for the last 5 years or so (a different card each time). I don't know where the security leaks are but they are obviously there. I just had it happen with a Discover card last week. That one is a puzzler because I haven't even used the card in two years. The only card on that account that exists resides in my wallet which never leaves my sight. And it's not one of those cards that can be read from a distance electronically. I just got my credentials for LOTW; now I need to find the time to organize my logs and upload them! I am also one of the people who still likes paper cards. For some DXpeditions I'll probably want a paper card AND LOTW confirmation. 73, Zack W9SZ --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org ---
RE: [DX-CHAT] -LOTW
Oh yes Rag, you've made more than a few points. But let's stick to the important one. I am positive that the ST0R logs will be on Logbook of the World at some point. I'm not going to spend time combing their web site to find out when they plan to do that. The group has done several other trips in the past, including E4X Palestine, that have been uploaded in the past. why would they change now? Nor do I think they are deliberately delaying solely to rake in money, despite allegations from you to the contrary. I base this again on their past history. my E4X QSO's were confirmed on LotW before I sent for my QSL card. If they were waiting for a payoff, it would have been a long time before my LotW confirmation arrived. So why is it taking so long? As I told you directly, you'll get the best answer by asking them directly. But I suspect they're busy. merging logs, checking for bad or missing information, putting things away, sorting incoming requests, and so forth. And that is in ADDITION to them living their lives, working, family, other operating, etc. Therefore: Cut them some slack. I'm sure you're eager for your confirmations to come, since it's a new one, but they will come. Yes. T32C uploaded within a few weeks. So have other groups. Others have taken months, some years. Others have not uploaded at all. Are you going to try and pressure everyone else into giving you near- or relative-instant gratification? Therefore: trying to pressure them into moving faster, solely because YOU are impatient, is not the answer. And using this reflector to try and stir up pressure is pointless. and against the spirit (if not the precise letter) of the rules of this reflector. This reflector is meant for discussion of news and events (the announcement of that news belongs on the companion DX NEWS reflector), and it is meant to do so in a calm, rational, friendly matter. It is NOT meant to pressure, coerce, or otherwise hassle DX operators or those who volunteer their time to operate and/or confirm DXpeditions. Your earlier criticism of the ST0R group over your unhappiness over their confirmation policies with regard to Logbook of the World came dangerously close to crossing the line. I am not putting on my Administrator hat. yet. I am simply cautioning you to tone it down and/or knock it off. Your position has been noted. Now, if you can't continue a calm discussion without either pressure or gloating, perchance you should take your comments elsewhere. 73, ron w3wn _ From: kf...@njdxa.org [mailto:kf...@njdxa.org] On Behalf Of ragnar otterstad Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 5:20 PM To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: [DX-CHAT] -LOTW I have made my point. Others have made the same point. Pressure is building. Note that T32C uploaded to LoTW within six weeks, not months! 73 rag la5he http://tinyurl.com/c6g6g4k http://de.visittelemark.com/ or http://www.telemarkskanalen.no/nor/Kanalen where we are located riverside. Ubi Morsum verba tacent --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org ---
[DX-CHAT] LoTW Servers Down?
Anyone else getting a fatal error message from the Logbook of the World server? I keep getting the following response: Fatal error: initializeLOTWDB: -709 - CONNECT: (protocol error): General database error [initializeLOTWDB: -709 - CONNECT: (protocol error)] This is happening in a web browser and also from within DXLab on another computer. Thanks and Happy Thanksgiving! Mike, K2CD --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org ---
Re: [DX-CHAT] LoTW Servers Down?
Happens frequently.. will be back (I get same message) 73, Gary K7ZD On 11/24/2011 12:03 PM, d...@optonline.net wrote: Anyone else getting a fatal error message from the Logbook of the World server? I keep getting the following response: Fatal error: initializeLOTWDB: -709 - CONNECT: (protocol error): General database error [initializeLOTWDB: -709 - CONNECT: (protocol error)] This is happening in a web browser and also from within DXLab on another computer. Thanks and Happy Thanksgiving! Mike, K2CD --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org ---
RE: [DX-CHAT] LoTW Servers Down?
I was logged in to the server earlier this morning without a problem. But I've seen the same thing from time to time. Not usually a big deal. Server may have hiccupped, there may be too many users logged in, there could be an issue at the ISP. However, considering today's a holiday, it may not get attention as fast as it normally would. Not to worry, though. 73, ron w3wn -Original Message- From: kf...@njdxa.org [mailto:kf...@njdxa.org] On Behalf Of d...@optonline.net Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2011 2:03 PM To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: [DX-CHAT] LoTW Servers Down? Anyone else getting a fatal error message from the Logbook of the World server? I keep getting the following response: Fatal error: initializeLOTWDB: -709 - CONNECT: (protocol error): General database error [initializeLOTWDB: -709 - CONNECT: (protocol error)] This is happening in a web browser and also from within DXLab on another computer. Thanks and Happy Thanksgiving! Mike, K2CD --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org ---
Re: [DX-CHAT] LoTW Servers Down?
Ditto here. I was logged in about 6AM, no problem. Just logged in again a few minutes ago at 00:20 UTC with no trouble. Let's hope it was just a case of short term overload. 73, Bob W1YRC -Original Message- From: Ron Notarius W3WN Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2011 2:44 PM To: d...@optonline.net ; dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: RE: [DX-CHAT] LoTW Servers Down? I was logged in to the server earlier this morning without a problem. But I've seen the same thing from time to time. Not usually a big deal. Server may have hiccupped, there may be too many users logged in, there could be an issue at the ISP. However, considering today's a holiday, it may not get attention as fast as it normally would. Not to worry, though. 73, ron w3wn -Original Message- From: kf...@njdxa.org [mailto:kf...@njdxa.org] On Behalf Of d...@optonline.net Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2011 2:03 PM To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: [DX-CHAT] LoTW Servers Down? Anyone else getting a fatal error message from the Logbook of the World server? I keep getting the following response: Fatal error: initializeLOTWDB: -709 - CONNECT: (protocol error): General database error [initializeLOTWDB: -709 - CONNECT: (protocol error)] This is happening in a web browser and also from within DXLab on another computer. Thanks and Happy Thanksgiving! Mike, K2CD --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org ---
Re: [DX-CHAT] LoTW Servers Down?
I CAN NOT CONNECT TO THE LOTW SERVER TO BEGIN LOGIN. 73 BENNY K5KV On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 6:24 PM, Bob Beaudet w1...@verizon.net wrote: Ditto here. I was logged in about 6AM, no problem. Just logged in again a few minutes ago at 00:20 UTC with no trouble. Let's hope it was just a case of short term overload. 73, Bob W1YRC -Original Message- From: Ron Notarius W3WN Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2011 2:44 PM To: d...@optonline.net ; dx-chat@njdxa.orgSubject: RE: [DX-CHAT] LoTW Servers Down? I was logged in to the server earlier this morning without a problem. But I've seen the same thing from time to time. Not usually a big deal. Server may have hiccupped, there may be too many users logged in, there could be an issue at the ISP. However, considering today's a holiday, it may not get attention as fast as it normally would. Not to worry, though. 73, ron w3wn -Original Message- From: kf...@njdxa.org [mailto:kf...@njdxa.org] On Behalf Of d...@optonline.net Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2011 2:03 PM To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: [DX-CHAT] LoTW Servers Down? Anyone else getting a fatal error message from the Logbook of the World server? I keep getting the following response: Fatal error: initializeLOTWDB: -709 - CONNECT: (protocol error): General database error [initializeLOTWDB: -709 - CONNECT: (protocol error)] This is happening in a web browser and also from within DXLab on another computer. Thanks and Happy Thanksgiving! Mike, K2CD --**- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --**- --**- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --**- --**- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --**- --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org ---
RE: [DX-CHAT] LoTW Servers Down?
Just got home from tryptophan overload at the in-laws. The good news is that LotW appears to be up again... The bad news? A too many users message. But that will clear itself up in time. -Original Message- From: kf...@njdxa.org [mailto:kf...@njdxa.org] On Behalf Of Bob Beaudet Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2011 7:24 PM To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] LoTW Servers Down? Ditto here. I was logged in about 6AM, no problem. Just logged in again a few minutes ago at 00:20 UTC with no trouble. Let's hope it was just a case of short term overload. 73, Bob W1YRC -Original Message- From: Ron Notarius W3WN Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2011 2:44 PM To: d...@optonline.net ; dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: RE: [DX-CHAT] LoTW Servers Down? I was logged in to the server earlier this morning without a problem. But I've seen the same thing from time to time. Not usually a big deal. Server may have hiccupped, there may be too many users logged in, there could be an issue at the ISP. However, considering today's a holiday, it may not get attention as fast as it normally would. Not to worry, though. 73, ron w3wn -Original Message- From: kf...@njdxa.org [mailto:kf...@njdxa.org] On Behalf Of d...@optonline.net Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2011 2:03 PM To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: [DX-CHAT] LoTW Servers Down? Anyone else getting a fatal error message from the Logbook of the World server? I keep getting the following response: Fatal error: initializeLOTWDB: -709 - CONNECT: (protocol error): General database error [initializeLOTWDB: -709 - CONNECT: (protocol error)] This is happening in a web browser and also from within DXLab on another computer. Thanks and Happy Thanksgiving! Mike, K2CD --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org ---
Re: [DX-CHAT] LoTW Servers Down?
From the error message it looks like they may be having database issues. I think I will just call it a night and upload tomorrow. Hopefully by then it will be fixed. 73 -- Ryan N2RJ via iPhone On Nov 24, 2011, at 2:50 PM, Ron Notarius W3WN wn3...@verizon.net wrote: I was logged in to the server earlier this morning without a problem. But I've seen the same thing from time to time. Not usually a big deal. Server may have hiccupped, there may be too many users logged in, there could be an issue at the ISP. However, considering today's a holiday, it may not get attention as fast as it normally would. Not to worry, though. 73, ron w3wn -Original Message- From: kf...@njdxa.org [mailto:kf...@njdxa.org] On Behalf Of d...@optonline.net Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2011 2:03 PM To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: [DX-CHAT] LoTW Servers Down? Anyone else getting a fatal error message from the Logbook of the World server? I keep getting the following response: Fatal error: initializeLOTWDB: -709 - CONNECT: (protocol error): General database error [initializeLOTWDB: -709 - CONNECT: (protocol error)] This is happening in a web browser and also from within DXLab on another computer. Thanks and Happy Thanksgiving! Mike, K2CD --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org ---
Re: [DX-CHAT] LoTW Servers Down?
Working fine here. 73, Gerry VE6LB/VA6XDX DXCC, VUCC, WAS Card Checker-Southern Alberta VE/VA6 QSL Bureau Team (403) 251-0384 ve...@telus.net http://www.qsl.net/ve6lb/ From: Ryan Jairam Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2011 8:25 PM To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] LoTW Servers Down? From the error message it looks like they may be having database issues. I think I will just call it a night and upload tomorrow. Hopefully by then it will be fixed. 73 -- Ryan N2RJ via iPhone On Nov 24, 2011, at 2:50 PM, Ron Notarius W3WN wn3...@verizon.net wrote: I was logged in to the server earlier this morning without a problem. But I've seen the same thing from time to time. Not usually a big deal. Server may have hiccupped, there may be too many users logged in, there could be an issue at the ISP. However, considering today's a holiday, it may not get attention as fast as it normally would. Not to worry, though. 73, ron w3wn -Original Message- From: kf...@njdxa.org [mailto:kf...@njdxa.org] On Behalf Of d...@optonline.net Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2011 2:03 PM To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: [DX-CHAT] LoTW Servers Down? Anyone else getting a fatal error message from the Logbook of the World server? I keep getting the following response: Fatal error: initializeLOTWDB: -709 - CONNECT: (protocol error): General database error [initializeLOTWDB: -709 - CONNECT: (protocol error)] This is happening in a web browser and also from within DXLab on another computer. Thanks and Happy Thanksgiving! Mike, K2CD --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org ---
Re: [DX-CHAT] LoTW Servers Down?
It must be coming and going because I have not been been able to log on all day long. AE5B --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org ---
[DX-CHAT] LOTW User's List
My thanks to the many who responded to my question of a site that lists LOTW user's. HB9BZA seems to be pretty universal and it should satisfy my needs. Thanks again and a Merry Xmas to all. John Owens - N7TK --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org ---
Re: [DX-CHAT] LOTW User's List
On Mon, Dec 21, 2009 at 2:25 PM, jcowe...@comcast.net wrote: My thanks to the many who responded to my question of a site that lists LOTW user's. HB9BZA seems to be pretty universal and it should satisfy my needs. Thanks again and a Merry Xmas to all. And the actual link is.. http://www.hb9bza.net/lotw/ -- Jim Reisert AD1C, jjreis...@alum.mit.edu, http://www.ad1c.us --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org ---
[DX-CHAT] LOTW credits
I am at the top of the honor roll on phone and mixed. I thought it was high time I became a real dx-er and work them on CW. I have worked all the dx I have been able to find who use LOTW and I have worked well over 100. I have 93 LOTW CW contacts confirmed and 6 QSL's in the box for a total of 99 confirmed. All you LOTW users need to upload your logs so I can get my first CW DXCC. I don't even have Canada confirmed on CW and I worked 3 VA/VE stations who use LOTW during the RAC test a week ago. Looks like one of you would upload a log.. I even worked my first G that weekend and he hasn't uploaded his log. I can see all the LOTW users on the VE7CC cluster, because the LOTW users have a + sign in front of the call. Come on guys, upload those logs. I am not going to send you any greenstamps, because that's why I became a LOTW user. Thanks in advance, Jim N4JA --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org ---
Re: [DX-CHAT] LOTW
Thanks to all who responded - I now have the info I require - its just an age thing!!! 73 to all Tom GM4FDM Gerry Hohn wrote: Tom, Try: http://www.rickmurphy.net/lotwquery.htm Gerry VE6LB/VA6XDX DXCC Field Checker-Southern Alberta VE/VA6 QSL Bureau Team (403) 251-0384 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.qsl.net/ve6lb/ - Original Message - From: Tom Wylie [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: DX-CHAT dx-chat@njdxa.org Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 1:22 PM Subject: [DX-CHAT] LOTW Sometime back somebody posted a message about how to retrieve logs from LOTW by sending them some form of request - I cant remember... Anybody here have any info? Tom GM4FDM -- So I met the bloke who invented crosswords today. I can't remember his name, it's P something T something R. --- avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 080814-0, 14/08/2008 Tested on: 14/08/2008 20:22:41 avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2008 ALWIL Software. http://www.avast.com --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- --- avast! Antivirus: Inbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 080814-0, 14/08/2008 Tested on: 14/08/2008 20:56:17 avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2008 ALWIL Software. http://www.avast.com -- So I met the bloke who invented crosswords today. I can't remember his name, it's P something T something R. --- avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 080815-0, 15/08/2008 Tested on: 15/08/2008 17:37:49 avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2008 ALWIL Software. http://www.avast.com --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org ---
[DX-CHAT] LOTW
Sometime back somebody posted a message about how to retrieve logs from LOTW by sending them some form of request - I cant remember... Anybody here have any info? Tom GM4FDM -- So I met the bloke who invented crosswords today. I can't remember his name, it's P something T something R. --- avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 080814-0, 14/08/2008 Tested on: 14/08/2008 20:22:41 avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2008 ALWIL Software. http://www.avast.com --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org ---
[DX-CHAT] LOTW
On the VE7CC network, if you are a member of LOTW, there is a plus sign in front of your call. Also, there is a LOTW checker that says yes or no to show if you are a member. I have emailed VE7CC and the HB9 who keeps the list, but neiher have answered as to why I am not listed and have ignored my emails. VE7CC and his network has an LOTW update every couple of days, but I'm not showing up. Does anyone know how to get me listed? Jim N4JA Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] LOTW
Jim: I am pretty sure that VE7CC does not maintain the list, and relys on the HB9BZA list as the source. I think the VE7CC website mentions this down in the notes. I wrote HB9BZA about not being on his list with my new call, even though my log for that call has been in LOTW for quite a while. He did respond, and added me under the new call sign. I am equally sure that HB9BZA relies on the LOTW site for his list, and it was/is not up to date with my new call. I would expect them to be current on my call. John Owens (N7TK, Ex N7SEJ) -- Original message -- From: Jim Abercrombie [EMAIL PROTECTED] On the VE7CC network, if you are a member of LOTW, there is a plus sign in front of your call. Also, there is a LOTW checker that says yes or no to show if you are a member. I have emailed VE7CC and the HB9 who keeps the list, but neiher have answered as to why I am not listed and have ignored my emails. VE7CC and his network has an LOTW update every couple of days, but I'm not showing up. Does anyone know how to get me listed? Jim N4JA Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
[DX-CHAT] LOTW problem solved Maybe!
I emailed my LOTW log file to HB4BZA. I hope it solves the problem of not being listed. Jim N4JA Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
[DX-CHAT] LoTW
What a surprise to find QSOs with : TJ3FR 9Q1EK J5UTM V5/DJ4SO VK9DNX on my LoTW account waiting to be credited. I really wish more stations would use LoTW. I admit it is a pain to use it. Perhaps level of security is a over kill, but.LoTW is a very easy way to get credit for contacts.. 73s Lou KE1F Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] LoTW
I have been thinking (it happens...) and I am going to upload the 9Q1EK and 9Q1TB logs to LoTW. I have there before the logs for my own calls and also ZK1EQL and CU2/SM7EQL. There is a reason (beside busted calls which often happens due to the QRN in Kinshasa): I have worked almost all the DX there is to work, and as my XYL for 40 years passed away in cancer October 28th 2008 I wanted to have something to keep me occupied. However I don't want to be as stubborn as Mr Harpole, and therefore the logs will be on LoTW as soon as the administrator has sent me the certificate keys. IF you don't find your call in the LoTW, please e-mail me as I can very well be a busted call. All the best to all of you and my apologies to those on LoTW who have already spent money for the cards - should you however want paper QSL's I will of course continue with those. 73/DX de Osten SM5DQC[EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Charles Harpole [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; dx-chat@njdxa.org Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 5:13 PM Subject: [DX-CHAT] just had to answr I should not, but I just have to answer From: Art RX9TX [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: Re[2]: [DX-CHAT] Postal thieves Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 18:57:20 +0600 Hello Charles, CH I have a USA mail drop... my son receives my mail that comes to CH his and my USA address, 4301 Jenkins Dr, Plano, and he CH periodically sends my mail to me Last month he spent $148 usd CH to send me a slim FedEx box So is that why you want _us_ to spend that money on that expensive services, ...try Registered Mail or, if desperate, use FedEx, UPS, or DHL? YOU CAN DO WHATEVER YOU WANT TO DO. I AM SIMPLY TRYING TO CONVEY FACTS TO YOU RE QSLING. IF YOU DISLIKE MY WAYS, IGNORE ME, PLEASE. CH LogBook Of The World why I do not use this great service: CH 1. I log onto old fashioned paper. Just ask on the net, I bet you will find someone who is ready to enter your logs to the computer. BTW your VU4 logs, are they paper logs? YES. CH 2. I choose to do other much more interesting things than data entry. See item 1. CH 3. I find LBOTW very difficult to use. And I have tried, and had help, CH still failed to get it. Even I can do that for you if you send me your logs in ADIF and claim me to be your LoTW-manager here on the DX-Reflector. I ACCEPT YOUR OFFER OF HELP, IF IT DOES NOT VIOLATE ANY CUSTOMARY MODES OF QSLing AND VERIFICATION. I BET SEVERAL OPINIONS ARISE ON THIS ITEMBUT, ART, PSE SEE MY SEPARATE MESSAGE TO U RE THIS ITEM. BTW, WHAT IS ADIF? NOT KIDDING. CH 4. Upload times are long and expensive. Well, it costs nothing in most parts of the world. OK, I GUESS THE 5,000+ BAHT I SPEND MONTHLY FOR CONNECTION IS A FICTIONAL THING? CH 5. I am just set in my ways, a product of a maturing factor. Not a reason to make us spend our money on DHL or postal expenses of any kind. ONCE AGAIN, I SAY-- IF YOU DISLIKE ME AND MY METHODS, JUST IGNORE ME... THERE IS A DELETE BUTTON, THERE IS YOUR CHOICE NEVER TO CONTACT ME BY MAIL, ETC ETC NO GUNS TO UR HEAD. AND I SAY THIS TO ALL THE FLAMERS ON THE REFLECTOR: WHEN U SEE MY NAME ON A MESSAGE, JUST DELETE IT AND SAVE UR BLOOD PRESSURE RISE. I CLAIM THE RIGHT TO BE ME AND TO BE SET IN MY WAYS... AS IT APPEARS SO DO U. CH I am going to investigate the PayPal option, but it really smacks of CH commerce. Sure it does. -- 73...Art RX9TX http://rx9tx.qrz.ru BYE BYE AND 73, CHARLES HS0ZCW _ Now you can see trouble…before he arrives http://newlivehotmail.com/?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_viral_protection_0507 Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
[DX-CHAT] LoTW question/comment
Does anyone know how long it takes for the credit to appear after applying via LoTW ? Also it appears the ARRL has waived the 2nd submission fee for the same year if by LoTW. Thanks ARRL/DXCC Desk ! 73, Carl K8AV Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
[DX-CHAT] LoTW
Anyone getting the Internal Server Error when uploading to the site? I've been getting this all weekend. vy 73, Nick W9UM When the people fear the government it's called tyranny, when the government fears the people it's called freedom. Thomas Paine Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] LoTW
At 05:44 PM 06/03/2007, nick cominos wrote: Anyone getting the Internal Server Error when uploading to the site? I've been getting this all weekend. Dunno about that, but I've been trying to e-mail someone with an arrl.org (i.e. staff) address and it's bounced all day today (was working FB yesterday). I uploaded 2 days ago, so haven't tried since. Cheers, Peter, W2IRT Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] LoTW
I upload to LoTW just this morning. Seems OK now also. GL, Garth, KW4MM - Original Message - From: nick cominos [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 4:44 PM Subject: [DX-CHAT] LoTW Anyone getting the Internal Server Error when uploading to the site? I've been getting this all weekend. vy 73, Nick W9UM When the people fear the government it's called tyranny, when the government fears the people it's called freedom. Thomas Paine Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
[DX-CHAT] LoTW
I don't know how ARRL can afford LoTW and its present and furure storage. It will turn out, money wise, to be an albatross around the Leagues neck$ I'm told all monies go into the operating fund. Is this what the membership wants? I don't think so. Wait an see. Lee Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] LoTW
I'm not sure that LOTW would have any issues with storage, or hosting. Last I checked, there were 128 million contacts in their database. Let's say that each contact took up 2000 characters of storage. That works out to about 256 gigabytes of storage; Hard disks that hold that are about $90 at Fry's. A simplistic example for sure, since that doesn't include powering that hard drive, keeping it on the internet, etc. A better estimate is what it would take to host a 1000 gigabyte (let's be conservative) database, 24x7. Some companies are offering that for about $500 a month. Probably not enterprise level. So just pick a multiplier -- 10 times that? What's the savings of the postage on confirmations, alone? I see that LOTW is removing a lot of 'friction' in the QSLing process, which is a good thing. Those concerned about losing a revenue source in their qsl request tithing should ask for an 'upload service fee' to submit a matching qsl record to LOTW. Better yet, take those requests and service fees over the internet -- put that $.41 and up postage fee towards DXpeditions. Card by mail? Postage, Card fee. Make it easy to order. Lee Wical [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't know how ARRL can afford LoTW and its present and furure storage. It will turn out, money wise, to be an albatross around the Leagues neck$ I'm told all monies go into the operating fund. Is this what the membership wants? I don't think so. Wait an see. Lee Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] LoTW
Disk space is amazingly cheap. You can store a ton of text info in a very affordable disk. John K5MO PS: Long live paper QSLs... At 02:17 AM 4/28/2007, Lee Wical wrote: I don't know how ARRL can afford LoTW and its present and furure storage. It will turn out, money wise, to be an albatross around the Leagues neck$ I'm told all monies go into the operating fund. Is this what the membership wants? I don't think so. Wait an see. Lee Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.6.1/778 - Release Date: 4/27/2007 1:39 PM Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
[DX-CHAT] LoTW versus paper, etc.
At 09:33 AM 04/27/2007, Bob Schenck, N2OO wrote: The fairest way to do things is the way it is currently being done. LoTW is voluntary and it should always be such. Many reasons. There will always be people who paper log. There will always be DXpeditions that paper log. There will always be DXers who do not own a computer and/or do not have access to the internet. Paper QSLs therefore should always be available. 1% agree, Bob. I love 'em under certain circumstances. I will ultimately put together an album containing the nicese QSL I get from each entity, and every all-time new one gets a card request (and donation, now that I'm down to DXpedition-only needed, hi hi), and I look forward to each one with bated breath. I can say with strict confidence after handling 3Y0X (and associated calls), and the recent VU7 operations, that paper QSLing produces a rather large funding source for the mega expensive DXpeditions. Actually, much larger than I had originally thought. Which is why I suggested the wait be a year to 18 months. It would absolutely be foolish to cut off your primary source of funding by mandating a quick upload to Logbook. But conversely, there are those who aren't into paper at all and need a couple of band-fills for DXCC challenge points, or need RTTY for a mode-award. Logbook works perfectly for guys like that. I just got 5 Q's confirmed for Vatican City on LoTW the other day. Had I known they were going to upload, I wouldn't have sent my paper QSL request for the 2 new bands and one new mode, because at this point, how many more identical-looking HV0A cards do I need? This will never be recovered if LoTW is utilized soon after a DXpedition is over. Never. Trust me on this. If DXpeditions were forced to utilize LoTW, it would definitely negatively affect the funding. And as such, it could very well make it more difficult to do DXpeditions, especially to the rarer hard to reach entities. If they were forced to upload IMMEDIATELY upon their return, I completely concur. Hence, a statement on the Website that all logs will be uploaded to Logbook of the World between one year and 18 months after the completion of the DXpedition. We're about a year or so out from Peter 1 now; how many direct QSL requests with donations are you receiving, on average, per week now? As for some sort of PayPal donation account tied to LoTW in order to fund DXpeditions, that would of course be in contradiction to DXCC rules that state that nobody can ever require payment for a QSL card. And it would not be fair at all. Yeah, I'd concur about having it tied to receiving confirmation. That would stink like a herring in August. Having prominent PayPal donation links all over the site, though, there's nothing wrong with that, IMHO. Just NOT on the QSL page! Please, let's not take more away from the personal touch that a QSL card brings to our hobby and to the pursuit of the DXCC (and other) awards. But at the same time, not everyone wants a card if they're chasing paper. As I posted last night, if I never see another card from certain parts of the world it will be far too soon. I have a lot of entities on 8 bands and three modes already; all I'm missing is 12m (I never had a WARC antenna during the last cycle). I really don't care about paper cards, just give me a hit on LoTW for those and that's all I ask. Next Swains operation, for example. I need 'em on 10 and 12 only. I also have no problem with DXpeditions uploading their logs a year or two afterwards, but only if they choose to do so. The problem with it being voluntary is that LoTW stays in its infancy and never matures. If you give people a reason or incentive to upload a log they will. We're, what, 3 years into the LoTW program right now? My LoTW hits are at an all-time record high of 16.7%. And only that high because most of my hits come from contests. I know that you (Bob) and many others love paper cards and relish what they mean both individually and collectively to the hobby and its past; but there's a growing number of techno-savvy users who just don't want the hassle (or the expense) of going the paper route, and having a viable alternative to paper QSLing for the major operations I think should be a requirement at some point down the line. Cheers, Peter, W2IRT Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] LoTW versus paper, etc.
On top of everything that has been said, there is no mention of the overhead that any DXpedition faces if immediately uploading logs to LoTW and that is busted calls. The upkeep to unsnarl this would be immense. I for one don't want that hassle so I NEVER upload logs for at least a year if then. If there is a busted call in a log and one is forced to use LoTW, which is quite awkward to use in my opinion, one corrects it in their DXpedition log and then uploads that one Q to LoTW. It doesn't replace the busted call, only resides alongside the busted call. This seems quite awkward to me. That's my 2 cents worth on top of every else's input. It is just that this perhaps had not been throught of when suggesting a DXpedition be forced to use LoTW. Before someone jumps on me with both feet, I know, there are not supposed to be busted calls in a log. Well let me point out one that always catches me. How about OK2BW and OK2BWK. That is a tough one as it could go either way. A busted call is a fact of life for a DXpedition, guaranteed! I do agree with the two previous posters general comments. Do not do away with paper QSLs! 73, Charlie.. Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
[DX-CHAT] Lotw Callsign Search
Thanks to HB9BZA here's a site for anyone to find out what stations use Lotw. Take a look, you may find that DX confirmation you need. http://www.hb9bza.net/lotw/ 73, Tom, KE1JF
[DX-CHAT] LOTW Questioin
I have just uploaded my old callsign to my account at LOTW. It has acknowledged some 5200 new entries, but the overall total has not changed. Do these logs need to be merged and if so, how?? Thanks Tom N4TJ Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
[DX-CHAT] LOTW Questiion answered
Got it figured out thanks to Wayne Mills. Thanks to all for the replies Tom N4TJ Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
RE: [DX-CHAT] LOTW second callsign
You can apply for another certificate (using the TQSLCert program) for additional calls, old or new. Creating the actual request for the extra certificate is quick, simple, and once the cert request is generated, it can be uploaded or emailed to the server. And, as I found out last weekend, the requests are manually processed or reviewed during regular business hours, so you have all weekend to generate and upload the file, and the ARRL LotW folks will have the new certificate to you on Monday or Tuesday. Your on-line log will show all QSO's and also under which call they were generated. 73, ron w3wn -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Tom Johnson Sent: Friday, September 15, 2006 8:00 PM To: Chat Subject: [DX-CHAT] LOTW second callsign I am trying to sign up for LOTW. So far, I have gotten N4TJ ok, but wish to add my pre 1977 callsign. How do I go about adding it? Thanks. Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
RE: [DX-CHAT] LotW Certificate
I got my answer already... Certificates are manually signed, so I won't get it back until sometime tomorrow. IE: The Human element strikes again! Thanks to all who replied! 73, ron w3wn -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Ron Notarius W3WN Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2006 9:37 PM To: DX Chat Reflector Subject: [DX-CHAT] LotW Certificate Anyone in the group request an additional Logbook of the World certificate (specifically for an additional call) lately? I'm a little puzzled. When I renewed mine last year, the server automation took care of things in a relatively short time (about an hour or so, as I recall, but don't hold me to that). But I put a request in Friday night for an additional certificate for the new call, and I haven't gotten anything back yet. I'm wondering if something is up with the server, or if it's just something that requires human oversight and no one's working over the weekend... 73, ron w3wn Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
[DX-CHAT] LOTW
I seem to have lost the link to LOTW and want to renew my certificate. Would somebody forward me the URL? Thanks N4TJ Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
[DX-CHAT] LOTW URL DISREGARD
Thanks, I found it N4TJ Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
[DX-CHAT] LOTW processing time
It sure takes a long time for LOTW to process a qso file. I uploaded my .tq8 file with one qso for 4O6DX several hours ago, but I am still waiting for the qso to appear in my LOTW account de Ken W3JJ Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] LOTW processing time
--- Kenneth Sobel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It sure takes a long time for LOTW to process a qso file. I uploaded my .tq8 file with one qso for 4O6DX several hours ago, but I am still waiting for the qso to appear in my LOTW account Ken, it's a queue. Maybe a number of people did the same thing you did. 73 - Jim AD1C -- Jim Reisert AD1C, 7 Charlemont Court, North Chelmsford, MA 01863 USA +978-251-9933, [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://www.ad1c.us Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] LOTW processing time
Ken, The QSO's from any .tq8 files I've uploaded have shown up right away. Try logging off then back in , if they still are missing go to your account and check your activity, the upload should show up. Tom, KE1JF - Original Message - From: Kenneth Sobel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Sent: Friday, August 18, 2006 10:21 AM Subject: [DX-CHAT] LOTW processing time It sure takes a long time for LOTW to process a qso file. I uploaded my .tq8 file with one qso for 4O6DX several hours ago, but I am still waiting for the qso to appear in my LOTW account de Ken W3JJ Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.10.10/419 - Release Date: 8/15/2006 Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
[DX-CHAT] LOTW processing time (my mistake)
Thanks to all who replied. The problem was that i did not delete my old certificate when i renewed. Maybe this is my mistake, but I think that TQSL should be smart enough to use the latest certificate. de Ken W3JJ Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
[DX-CHAT] LOTW
N7EF=20 =20 You forgot to mention it would cost more. Don't get me wrong I like QSL cards. =20 =20 I've worked all countries and have them all confirmed on the current = list. If all of a sudden there was a new DXCC Country I would send for a traditional paper QSL card to put one on the wall with the rest. I'm seriously involved now in the DXCC Challenge with just under 3,000 band points. If I were to work a new band point or country on RTTY I really don't need another paper card. I'd just assume get it confirmed quickly = and relatively cheap via LOTW. =20 =20 Just for the sake of argument supposed I spent a minimum of $1 for each = of those QSLs. Man if my wife found out, I'd be hung out to dry! HI. To = each there own. I'm not knocking those who want the QSL cards. =20 Bernie Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] LOTW
How great would it be if I logged on to DXA, looking at my QSO's (greenies). DXA asks if I want my QSO's uploaded to LOTW for (let's say) 1 dollar per QSO. Enter your creditcard nr. etc. Wim Citeren Bernie McClenny, W3UR [EMAIL PROTECTED]: N7EF=20 =20 You forgot to mention it would cost more. Don't get me wrong I like QSL cards. =20 =20 I've worked all countries and have them all confirmed on the current = list. If all of a sudden there was a new DXCC Country I would send for a traditional paper QSL card to put one on the wall with the rest. I'm seriously involved now in the DXCC Challenge with just under 3,000 band points. If I were to work a new band point or country on RTTY I really don't need another paper card. I'd just assume get it confirmed quickly = and relatively cheap via LOTW. =20 =20 Just for the sake of argument supposed I spent a minimum of $1 for each = of those QSLs. Man if my wife found out, I'd be hung out to dry! HI. To = each there own. I'm not knocking those who want the QSL cards. =20 Bernie Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
[DX-CHAT] LOTW Ideas for Incentives
Bernie - W3UR, Thanks for your comments and also the challenge you threw out the the group. What if the ARRL were to Meet You Half-Way? If the first 25 QSO's confirmed in LOTW for the basic WAS award were gratis for X amount of time, perhaps that would be a good incentive to get the DX logs rolling in. Or some variation of that? As to your comments about contesters - I suppose I'm guilty as charged because I figured it's a quick way to get some of the more readily available DX entities out of the way while working on DXCC awards. Doing it that way actually worked as an incentive for me. I can be found tuning around and checking spots during some very late and/or early morning hours on a lot of non-contest days too. For peanut whistle stations like mine, it's often the only way to have a good chance of snagging some of the rarer ones. Although it's only anecdotal, in reference to your thoughts about methods to log contacts; I use a software logging program and am nearly 58 years old. I find it very easy to work with, uploading to LOTW is a snap, and you can see what your progress is just by logging into LOTW occasionally and view how many more confirmations have occurred since the last time you checked. I can't wait until propagation improves with the next sunspot cycle because even with low profile wire antennas in these conditions, I'm still working DX. That's exciting in and of itself. As to bureau returns, my experience is mixed. I've sent out lots of cards, some going back many years, and have a return rate of maybe 60 percent or a bit more. My personal experience is that contest stations are near the low end of my return percentage when it comes to getting a card back. Thus, LOTW seems to help greatly in that regard. I'm all for any incentives that will encourage more DX stations to send in their logs and help us DX neophytes boost their counts. We all win in the end. WB8RFB __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
[DX-CHAT] lotw problem??
I've been having trouble getting to the log-on window at LoTW since late this am...anybody else? 73/dx steve, k8wk * Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] lotw problem??
Steve, The server definitely appears to be down. Larry W2LJ Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] lotw
This is what i copied from the site The basic fee for a QSL record issued for award credit will be $ 0.25 (USD 0.25). Quantity discounts will apply depending on number of credits purchased. Credits can be purchased according to the following table. Credits may be purchased at any time and in any price category. You may purchase any number of credits at the same now for me .25 c to 80c is still a bargan but what you don't understand is that i have to save for the 80c for one card disired. If i uploaded my log I wouldn't eat for a month or 3. Maybe i don't understand the system which is very possible but the original email was compareing Eqsl to LOTW why one works with donations from someone who has money and my understanding of LOTW (ARRL) who charges to upload. This is my problem with it if you can tell me that i can upload for free but still not be able to use it or get a card or tell me how it would work for me( gee you think the ARRL would be willing help a disabled fixed income person who plays radio all day well not all:-)) Now sir that is whineing but come live in my world for a week or a month and you would understand.But as a final if you can tell me how to use LOTW and it is free that would be great I have 3 band DXCC 10 15 20 6m WAS WAC VUCC i can't afford ARRL fees and I've only been a ham for ten yrs and i don't think that to bad Rick Ron Notarius wrote: Oh? It costs money to upload to Logbook? Gee, someone better tell the League to send me a bill...
Re: [DX-CHAT] lotw
There's an old business axiom that applies here: QUALITY - TIME - COST You can have only two of the three simultaneously. 73, Steve WB6RSE Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
RE: [DX-CHAT] LOTW
I would agree. LOTW is a complete pain the the backside and involves jumping through a phethora of hurdles. All this for a hobby? What a waste of effort. Frankly if I wish to do a DXCC update, it's easier (and more pleasure) to meet a field checker such as G4BWP for a beer or two in a nice English pub, to look through the QSL cards and to discuss life, the universe and everything (possibly including DX) than to mess about with a sodding computer. LOTW? I'm sure it's well engineered, secure and works. You're welcome to it. I can't be bothered with it, but as far as I can see, the ARRL listened to its members and delivered what they asked for. I'm not being FORCED to use LOTW so have no complaints. 73 Dave G0OIL -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 22 January 2005 17:16 To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: [DX-CHAT] [DX-NEWS] LOTW I don't know about anyone else but my reaction to LOTW is that it is just overly complicated! I have done many financial transactions on line. None of them was even nearly as complicated and difficult as LOTW. For now I'm not sure I want to be bothered. I've had a very low percentage of hits on the logs I've submitted to date. It seems to me that this system will not succeed unless they find ways to make it easier for users. 73, Steve W2KN -Original Message- From: Ron Notarius [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Jan 21, 2005 10:01 PM To: Ted Melinosky [EMAIL PROTECTED], dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] [DX-NEWS] LOTW Has anyone asked ARRL about it? Ted, since you've got a connection with CQ, do you know if anyone from CQ has asked? Have you? I'm not trying to be a pain in the tuchus. But it seems relevant to inquire if anyone asked before wondering if ARRL has made it available. Or... has no one asked because everyone is waiting for an it's available announcement, and yet no announcement has been made yet because the folks up in Newington are waiting for someone to ask? Either way... remember, Logbook is just over a year old, and ARRL is still working on it. One wonders if we're rushing things here. Logbook will be with us a long, long time... seems to me that it's prudent to take our time and make sure it gets done right, including access by other organizations. Even if that means waiting awhile. 73 - Original Message - From: Ted Melinosky [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: dx-news dx-news@njdxa.org Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 3:21 PM Subject: Re: [DX-NEWS] [:dx-news:] LOTW Robert Dixon wrote: Does anybody know what other organizations accept LOTW, like CQ awards, etc. BTW, kudos to our Old European friends for the unveiling of the new Airbus. Wonder with all that gingerbread if they could squeeze a hamshack in! Bob, W8HGH Robert Dixon [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Ham radio: The real internet since May, 1895 I think the question should be: has ARRL made LOTW available to other organizations for awards purposes? I don't think so at this time, though this may change. Ted Melinosky K1BV USA-CA Custodian (the County Award) for CQ Magazine -- Archives http://www.mail-archive.com/dx-news@njdxa.org THE DXR is sponsored by the North Jersey DX Association. Please visit our website: http://www.njdxa.org/index.php scroll to bottom for subscribe/unsubscribe options -- Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
[DX-CHAT] lotw
I don't see how you guys afford to upload your logs to LOTW it seems to me just another way for ARRL to get money Rick Ron Notarius wrote: As I recall, during the development of LotW, the ARRL planned all along to permit other organizations to interface with the system. So I think it's fair to ask (a) if any other organization has asked yet, and if so, (b) when the details will be worked out. As far as eQSL... well, it's an interesting novelty, but it's not secure Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] lotw
Hello dx-chat, Saturday, January 22, 2005 rkenwood wrote to dx-chat@njdxa.org: I don't see how you guys afford to upload your logs to LOTW it seems to me just another way for ARRL to get money Rick In my case (and actually all other cases) it's a way to save MY money. And I'm not disappointed if ARRL gets some money :) just because I save my money. Then who loses? Postal service and DX-side as you do not need to send direct request in many cases if you use LoTW. -- 73...Art RX9TX1/22/2005 5:28 UTC God is a comedian, playing to an audience too afraid to laugh. (Voltaire) Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
RE: [DX-CHAT] lotw
Rkenwood wrote: I don't see how you guys afford to upload your logs to LOTW it seems to me just another way for ARRL to get money It costs nothing to upload logs to Logbook of the World. If you use the confirmations generated to apply for one of the DXCC awards, the confirmation credits cost considerably less than the total cost of a QSL. I did an cost comparison some time ago (when the cost of the credits were first announced): For a US station to a US manager I figure the cost: Low High QSL Card$0.04$0.25 Labels (QSO/address) .01 .10 Envelopes (2) .15 .15 Printer consumables (est) .05 .05 Postage (SASE).74 .74 -- - Total: $0.99$1.29 For a US station to a DX station (other than XE or VE): Low High QSL Card$0.04$0.25 Labels (QSO/address) .01 .10 Envelopes (2) .15 .15 Printer consumables (est) .05 .05 Postage .80 .80 Return Postage 2.00 3.00 -- - Total: $3.05$4.35 Let's look at bureau QSLing: If one is not sending cards by the pound, the bureau fees are $0.10 each. 10 cards should fit in a 2 oz. first class letter ... the postage is $.60. The postage for getting cards from the incoming bureau will be about $0.60 per ten cards. The cost of envelopes (three) will be around $0.30. For the round trip, a bureau card will cost between $0.45 and $0.65 each (and take perhaps a year or more). This compares to $0.20 per LotW credit when the credits are purchased in lots of 100. Sounds like a real deal to me ... and that doesn't even count the cost of shipping cards to Newington for checking, etc. 73, ... Joe, K4IK Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
RE: [DX-CHAT] lotw
Article rejected, un-authorized poster of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: from smtpout03-04.mesa1.secureserver.net [64.202.165.71] by e-government.com (SMTPD32-8.15) id A9FAD48400C0; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 00:51:54 -0500 Received: (qmail 17148 invoked from network); 22 Jan 2005 05:52:58 - Received: from unknown (130.13.142.222) by smtpout03-04.mesa1.secureserver.net (64.202.165.74) with ESMTP; 22 Jan 2005 05:52:58 - Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Art, you are quite correct! Rick, I don't understand your point. It's much more economical to use LoTW than send a airmail SAE and 1-2 USD or 1 IRC. If eQSL is your preferred way then go with it. They have their own awards and that's great. Some people don't need ANY cards as they have the contacts in the log and that's great too.. I get tired of folks complaining about the ARRL making a few bucks. Geez, no one forces anyone to participate in DXCC after all :-) Art RX9TX wrote: Hello dx-chat, Saturday, January 22, 2005 rkenwood wrote to dx-chat@njdxa.org: I don't see how you guys afford to upload your logs to LOTW it seems to me just another way for ARRL to get money Rick In my case (and actually all other cases) it's a way to save MY money. And I'm not disappointed if ARRL gets some money :) just because I save my money. Then who loses? Postal service and DX-side as you do not need to send direct request in many cases if you use LoTW. -- Gary McClellan, K7ZD Phoenix, Arizona USA SOC#599NAQRP#569 Outgoing scanned FISTS#4706-FPQRP#919 ©¿©¬ by Norton AV Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] lotw
Oh? It costs money to upload to Logbook? Gee, someone better tell the League to send me a bill... Sorry Rick, but there is NO COST for uploading your log. Costs only come into play when you apply for an award (DXCC at the moment, more to follow I'm sure). And as I recall, it is does NOT cost more to apply for DXCC via Logbook; might even cost less, I don't remember the exact numbers offhand. You know, I don't get it. For years, certain quarters screamed because the ARRL insisted on physical cards sent to Newington. Then they screamed when Field Checkers went into place. Now they're screaming because Logbook, finally up and running, can mean that you get your credits in days or hours instead of weeks, months, even years. The common theme in all the various levels of screaming is that the League is greedy and money grubbing and so on and so forth. Can't they, just once, get a break for doing something pretty much not just right, but what they were asked to do? Sheesh. 73 - Original Message - From: rkenwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 11:52 PM Subject: [DX-CHAT] lotw I don't see how you guys afford to upload your logs to LOTW it seems to me just another way for ARRL to get money Rick Ron Notarius wrote: As I recall, during the development of LotW, the ARRL planned all along to permit other organizations to interface with the system. So I think it's fair to ask (a) if any other organization has asked yet, and if so, (b) when the details will be worked out. As far as eQSL... well, it's an interesting novelty, but it's not secure Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
RE: [DX-CHAT] LoTW concerns
FYI, there is a LoTW reflector on Yahoo! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ARRL-LOTW/ 73 - Jim AD1C = Jim Reisert AD1C, 7 Charlemont Court, North Chelmsford, MA 01863 USA +978-251-9933, [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://www.ad1c.com PGP Fingerprint: D8E2 3D78 339F A7F1 8C13 1193 B5D1 4FB6 79D1 70DC Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
[DX-CHAT] LoTW concerns
[:dx-chat:] I have watched a fellow ham and computer expert labor to insert my logs into LoTW. As someone who does not know what that ham is doing, I can still observe the great number of careful steps he has had to take and he knows what he is doing. He has put in about 8 hours so far and is not done yet on less than 7000 contacts in four logs. He has been successful with other logs while discovering bugs in the system early on. My point is that I can not imagine many lone foreign hams (especially in places where email is very expensive and troublesome in itself) taking the time and trouble to jump thru all the hoops and keep going when the steps fail some of the time to put his log into LoTW. I guess DXpeditions will have the talent and grit available to do the work, but what of the other guys? I recommend that the DX section of ARRL start a program to identify and publicize a set of computer experts with time on their hands to stand by to adopt any ham who may have trouble with LoTW, especially DX hams. This system could be similar to a temporary QSL manager or Elmer to address this issue. What's say, OMs??? 73, Charles Harpole [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee® Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 _ Check out MSN PC Safety Security to help ensure your PC is protected and safe. http://specials.msn.com/msn/security.asp Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] lotw results?
I am at 99/1253, or right at 8%. A large percentage of mine are from 160 meters where I'm trying to make WAS. At 12:21 AM 4/19/2004 -0400, you wrote: just wondering how everyone else is doing with getting qsls on lotw. yeah, i know it's early. yeah, i know they don't count yet. is there any concerted effort from clubs or other organizations outside the US to get day-to-day logs converted and uploaded? my stats: 30,754 qsos logged to lotw (a lot of contest including sweepstakes) 1,524 qsls received (about 5%) 555 dx (subtracting US, VE, KH6 and KL7) 11 needed band countries (not confirmed as of now by card) 73 de STEVE, KZ2I CHARLOTTE, NC USA Age and treachery will overcome youth and skill Outbound mail checked by McAfee Anti-virus Professional 2004
RE: [DX-CHAT] lotw results?
I have 838 confirmed out of 14,872 QSOs in LOTW. That works out to about 5.6%. 73, Dave, WØVX -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2004 11:21 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [DX-CHAT] lotw results? just wondering how everyone else is doing with getting qsls on lotw. yeah, i know it's early. yeah, i know they don't count yet. is there any concerted effort from clubs or other organizations outside the US to get day-to-day logs converted and uploaded? my stats: 30,754 qsos logged to lotw (a lot of contest including sweepstakes) 1,524 qsls received (about 5%) 555 dx (subtracting US, VE, KH6 and KL7) 11 needed band countries (not confirmed as of now by card) 73 de STEVE, KZ2I CHARLOTTE, NC USA
RE: [DX-CHAT] lotw results?
Al, The CW vs. SSB confirmation breakdown for me is: 496 CW confirmed out of about 6,800 CW QSOs (~ 7.3%) 342 SSB confirmed out of about 8,000 SSB QSOs (~ 4.3%) I have all my QSOs from 1995 on in LOTW but only 35 of the 838 QSLs are for pre 2000 QSOs. I still have about 35 years of pre 1995 paper logs to enter. Given that more than 95% of the QSLs to date are post 2000, Im not sure it is worth converting all the pre 1995 paper logs. 73, Dave, WØVX -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 11:38 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] lotw results? Did you guys get stats too on CW vs SSB on your percents confirmed on LoTW. I have only 3% on abt 6300 SSB qsos. tnx Al W4ABW
[DX-CHAT] lotw results
thanks guys. i guess i'm right in there in the average as far as returns. put in 30,000 qsos, little over half were contest logs easily converted from ct files. the others keyed from paper logs. have to get up the strength to enter another 20 years of wb2vft, all on paper. the one interesting reply was from a t9 who said he will not be using the system. since i'm currently waiting for 5 band/countires via bureau (waiting 1 year plus) and another 3 that went direct over 6 months ago, i hope other t9s don't feel the same way. there doesn't seem to be a reliable way of getting a card from B-H except from those with managers. at least, i know what station not to work in contests. said he only uses e-qsl. my question still remains, 'what is that good for? why bother?' 73 de STEVE, KZ2ICHARLOTTE, NC USA
[DX-CHAT] lotw results?
just wondering how everyone else is doing with getting qsls on lotw. yeah, i know it's early. yeah, i know they don't count yet. is there any concerted effort from clubs or other organizations outside the US to get day-to-day logs converted and uploaded? my stats: 30,754 qsos logged to lotw (a lot of contest including sweepstakes) 1,524 qsls received (about 5%) 555 dx (subtracting US, VE, KH6 and KL7) 11 needed band countries (not confirmed as of now by card) 73 de STEVE, KZ2ICHARLOTTE, NC USA
[DX-CHAT] LOTW
I uploaded my CQWW-SSB log from the weekend and already have two contest QSOs confirmed. That's fast! Bob, N7XY -- Bob Nielsen, N7XY n7xy (at) n7xy.net Bainbridge Island, WA http://www.n7xy.net Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
[DX-CHAT] LoTW and satellite
This technicallymay notbe DX, but it involves a DX log:-) I'm not a satellite operator, so don't really know what LoTW is expecting. I've uploaded the 3B6RF logs, but receivederrorsfor all of the satellite Qs. The log has CW or SSB as the mode, and SAT as the band. LoTW doesn't like that. Can anyone tell me what LoTW is looking for so I can make the required changes? The FAQ says something about "propagation mode" having to be "satellite" - but what the heck is the ADIF info for that?! Thanks in advance, Steve
[DX-CHAT] LOTW
About 2 weeks ago I sent to ARRL using their procedure to get a certificate for my submissions to LOTW. I have had no response to my initial submission. Should I re-submit or wait longer. I have had no e-mail in response. 73 de tom gm4fdm Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] LoTW
Well... dBase III, III+, IV... Visual dBase 5 or later... to say nothing of FoxBase, FoxPro, and even (ugh!) MS Access But (you knew there was a catch) you have to do a little homework first. You have to write a simple little routine to write out each record as ASCII text with the proper ADIF headers in front of each data field. Looking things over, writing output to a Cabrillo file would be easier, since Cabrillo uses a fixed-character output (that is, each field starts in the same position on each line), sort of like COBOL did/does, rather than a comma delimited one. I've also been told that there is a very slick utility available, free, from EA7GV that converts dBase .dbf files to ADIF files. But I have no further information about it... not even a URL to find out more info. 73, ron wn3vaw I would like to do 3000 more -- Sportscaster Guy Junker on his 3000th Sportsbeat show. The next night, after his 3001st show, for reasons left unclear, Fox Sports Net Pittsburgh declined to renew his contract fired him. (Source: Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, Saturday, 17 May 2003) - Original Message - From: Bill Rinker [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: DX Chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 10:29 AM Subject: [DX-CHAT] LoTW I will have no problem uploading Cabrillo files generated by CT into LoTW. I use DXLOG for contacts other than contest QSOs. DXLOG is in dBase III format. DXLOG predates and does not support the Cabrillo or ADIF formats. I have been advised that there are several logging programs that will import DXLOG QSOs and export ADIF. One of these is DXBase. What are the other logging programs which will import DXLOG QSOs to ADIF format? Bill - NE9Z Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
[DX-CHAT] LotW Status
Anyone hear anything recently about the current status of Logbook of the World? I've recently heard, through the grapevine, allegations that the project has become bogged down by, shall we say, those in a position to do so, thus making things more complicated. Sure hope this isn't the case. LotW has a lot of potential and will be a great step forward -- if it lives up to it's billing. I'd hate to hear that it got delayed or derailed by those with a personal agenda (ie an axe to grind) 73, ron wn3vaw And they give you cash, which is just as good as money! Yogi Berra, AFLAC Commercial, 2002 Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
