Dave - AB7E wrote:
Are the feature list and specifications now firm? And if so, what are
they? I would have thought that anyone contemplating spending $700 for
any box, even with the Elecraft name on it, would want to know what it
does before sending off the check.
No. I think the
Hi Lyle,
A question set on the new transverter interface KXV3A and the K144.
How many internal ports does the KXV3 have? If it is only one is the KV144
daisy chainable like the XV144. If yes when is the KV70/220/432/1296 coming
out!
There was discussion on low level outputs for driving gear
Hi, N6xvt/Karl here,
I have a Buddipole. I set it up correctly for 20 m. When I tuned up my K3 I got
about 1.1/1.2 SWR. I would imagine it tunes at about 5-10 watts. If I transmit
at 1-10 watts it seems to run fine. At 100 watts the K3 shuts itself of at the
second CQ I send. I am on SSB. If
H - I have an unbuilt XV144 and was not going to buy the K144XV because I
thought I had read somewhere that the XV144 would be sufficiently better to
warrant using the XV144 - but that would generally be portable or at an
alternative address and via a 100W PA. Now wondering if the
In a recent message, David Ferrington, M0XDF m0...@alphadene.co.uk
writes
The K144XV will give 8-10 Watts, the XV144 20-25 Watts - strikes me as
I'd have to drive a PA with at least 10 and that would be pushing the
K144XV, whereas I could reasonably get 15 - 20 from the XV144 and not
get it
Thanks, I don't actually know about the vent holes - I haven't done an
inventory of it yet and I've had it since I got the K3 - talk about not having
time!
Don't suppose you have an K144XV to compare against?
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Don't say you don't have enough time. You have exactly the same number of
hours
Wayne, Eric -- If Elecraft ever develops an inexpensive 'curtailed' K3
receiver only, just for shortwave listeners, it will be a best seller -- my
guess: 1,000 units sold over a ten year period. Development wouldn't be
hard: Two receivers. No Tx-related boards at all (upgrade later). Hundreds
I would like to buy a KAT2 tuner built or unbuilt. I also am willing to
sell my KPA100 if someone needs it. Now that the k3 is my main rig, I
am turning my K2 back into my main QRP rig for travel. I can make
immediate payment and accept payment through Paypal. I am also willing
to trade these
Hello, All:
To go together with your new and shiny K3 contest rig, perhaps you're
looking for a sweet and simple Windows-based software package?
I've used TRLog for many years, but it's a DOS-based program and
doesn't work nicely with my XP operating system. Whenever I looked at
a
Hi Lyle,
Thanks for your response. I take this to mean that with an internal 2 m
transverter it can listen to 2 m on rx A, while rx B listens simultaneously
through an external XV432 on 70 cm.
KK7P wrote:
4. IF the K3 has two receivers, can one listen on 2 m and the other on
70
cm?
I
WW2PT wrote:
An off-the-shelf, high-end appliance to compete with THP or SPE would
be a high-cost, low-volume, low-profit venture, something I would not
want to undertake in the current economic conditions if I were CEO of
Exactly!
The Microsemi ARF-1500's in the THP-2.5K are $270 a
Hi all,
Finally finished the K2 last night, all that remains is the final assembly
but I've run out of parts except the speaker and a couple jacks and screws
here and there for the final assy.
I made my first, and as far as I know at this time, only, mistake when
putting in the LP filter
Oops, when I said bandpass filters, I mean only on 80 meters. All the other
bands had very definite and loud peaks on recieve...
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Try forming about 10 ft. of your coax into a balun.loops about 6 in
diameter and using some tape to hold it together. That might keep enough RF
off the rig to keep it going. If this helps, consider buying a line
isolator from Radio Works.
73
Steve
N4LQ
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That is normal for the 80 meter bandpass - it is very broad tuning. No
problem.
The 15 meter higher current thing is not likely a problem either - I
would guess that the max power level on that band is in excess of 14
watts, and if so, that is not a problem. Turn the power down to 10
watts
On Sat, Feb 13, 2010 at 1:29 AM, Dave - AB7E xda...@cis-broadband.com wrote:
Are the feature list and specifications now firm? And if so, what are they?
I would have thought that anyone contemplating spending $700 for any box,
even with the Elecraft name on it, would want to know what it
At 2/13/2010 08:34 AM, you wrote:
Hello, All:
To go together with your new and shiny K3 contest rig, perhaps you're
looking for a sweet and simple Windows-based software package?
I've used TRLog for many years, but it's a DOS-based program and
doesn't work nicely with my XP operating system.
A question set on the new transverter interface KXV3A and the K144.
How many internal ports does the KXV3 have?
One - see the schematics on the website.
Finally. is it possible to get 8-12V on the 144MHz antenna port on TX
Looks like +5V with a nominal 4.7K source impedance during Tx.
Hello Sverre!
Thanks for your response. I take this to mean that with an internal 2 m
transverter it can listen to 2 m on rx A, while rx B listens simultaneously
through an external XV432 on 70 cm.
It should be possible to do exactly as you suggest, but I cannot say if
the UI currently
Guy -
Please don't forget that Elecraft sucked in quite a few of us on the K3 by
promising wildly optimistic delivery dates. I consider that to be a highly
questionable business practice.
On Sat, Feb 13, 2010 at 9:42 AM, Guy Olinger K2AV olin...@bellsouth.netwrote:
On Sat, Feb 13, 2010 at
I think for the 250 I invested in a LP-PAN and sound card that will do me
fine. If the price will be around the SDR-IQ I might have second thoughts.
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What drives the price of a new product more than anything is marketing.
Microsoft could sell Windows 7 at profit for 50 cents but charges $149.00.
The P-3 price is being defined here on the reflector by those of us who are
so enthusiastic about Elecraft; hams may be called cheap but have
Now that I've been using the K3 for about one year I find CW DX operation to be
even better with the K3.
When first starting out with the K3 I'd preferred using the two VFO approach
with all split operation on CW. However, now it's clear that the XIT/RIT combo
buttons together with IT
I think the estimated $700 price is cheap. I was thinking it would be
closer to $1000. There is a similar product from Yaesu, the DMU-2000
with a list price of $1400 and it does not even include the monitor which
you must supply yourself. I think the street price is possibly under $1000
Thanks Don,
Thats good information.
With that understanding , wisdom would dictate that the AF pot be
replaced with its original.
I won't bother to change mine however as its working beautifully as is.
It made me wonder what percentage of K2 builders have mistakenly swapped
those two pots and
I was gonna go with my 50 megapixel Kodak, tripod, klieg lights, Powers
models, and take you all some pictures. But it's too cotton-pickin cold
here in Florida! Sorry.
Monty K2DLJ
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Don't forget that the LP Pan allows you to run the SDR-IF software suite.
To me it's like having another radio(with band stacking registers!) to
compare my K3 to. When I have my K3 on, I do all the tuning around with
SDF-IF. My K3's knobs are hardly ever used
73 Jeff kb2m
-Original
I use N1MM directly connected the my K3 and have
had no keying issues.
It -is- a complex program, probably because it has
so many capabilities.
73! Ken Kopp - K0PP
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I am a new K3 owner and need some help with the k3 interface with N1MM. I
have got it work with a Winkey, but would also like for N1MM to keep track
of my band change and Freq. I have connected it to the computer via RS323
port to USB, but keep getting a error after a few minutes connected this
Jeff kb2m wrote:
Don't forget that the LP Pan allows you to run the SDR-IF software suite.
To me it's like having another radio(with band stacking registers!) to
compare my K3 to. When I have my K3 on, I do all the tuning around with
SDF-IF. My K3's knobs are hardly ever used
If
Could the P3 be offered without a screen? and I hope thats a RS 232
passthrough on the back in the Orlando pictures. Without a
screen( small computer screens are dirt cheap) the P3 would be a
better kit and cheaper, plus no screen vendor problems to hold up
delivery.
R Thorpe AC9D
What drives the price of a new product more than anything is marketing.
Microsoft could sell Windows 7 at profit for 50 cents but charges $149.00.
The P-3 price is being defined here on the reflector by those of us who are
so enthusiastic about Elecraft;...The P-3 could sell for a few hundred
Phil: Thanks you for your comments. You confirm everything I said about
marketing. I stand by my comments about Microsoft and the marketing of the P-3.
If you think the asking price is cheap then I guess that is what we will be
paying, but we will pay it for the reasons I stated. I also like
Harry: Let's keep the exchange civil. There is nothing silly about my views
or those you put forward. You demonstrate the success of good marketing by
both Microsoft and Elecraft. I am not taking anything away from either, but
this is about marketing not technology. Most of these companies
Hey gang - 12 meters is wide open to SA, EU and Africa.
Stop worrying about the P3 and get on the air!
Buck
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I disagree. I would prefer to have them take whatever time is needed to
make the FINE products they are. I will wait for the quality they produce.
I am an Elecraft customer BECAUSE of the products, support, and ongoing
additional features that get added. My radio continues to get better long
My comments actually had nothing to do with Elecraft. I never said (or even
implied) that Elecraft was slow or going about this wrong. If I were them, I'd
make sure that the P3 was as close to perfect as I could before I released it,
and I'd preview the heck out of it to get as mich
I was running WPX RTTY contest using abt 80W and it had ran for over an hour
with no problems. I have done it many times and the PA temp stayed around
50 All of the sudden I received the ERR 12V. I was watching the PA
temp and it was staying around 45 to 49C. The rig was running 3 bars on
So instead there are a lot of people who want to spend three times as much
money on a small screen just to show them a graphical display of band
activity?? Apparently so ...
The advantage, in my opinion, of a more universal piece of SDR hardware (like
LP-Pan or SDR-IQ) is EXACTLY that it
Greetings all,
This is my first submission to the Elecraft reflector. I intend to place an
order for my K3 today, but I need some help making the final decisions of
which options I should purchase at this time. First, let me describe my
antenna setup so the experts here can hopefully offer more
Jeff,
Your proposed K3 configuration is close to mine. I would strongly submit that
you
should consider the KXV3A, the transverter interface as this allows you to feed
devices
dependent on an IF signal as it includes an IF port. And, it is relatively
cheap, less then
any single filter.
I do
Ok thanks Don.
I ran through all the bands at about 10w and the current draw and output was
pretty consistent everywhere, 2.2 to 2.4 amps draw. My power supply is a
12ah battery and it pulls down about a volt at max power which like you said
will result in higher current draw. So looks like its
Considering that the P3 is a self-contained unit, $700 seems to be a
reasonable price. There is a lot more to it, then just an LP-Pan and
soundcard.
For someone that doesn't want to deal with computer interfacing, it is
great. At the same time, it has limitations. After using CW Skimmer, I
Craig,
Did you do as suggested in the manual list of error messages? Check the
circuit breaker first.
73,
Don W3FPR
Craig WØLV wrote:
I was running WPX RTTY contest using abt 80W and it had ran for over an hour
with no problems. I have done it many times and the PA temp stayed around
KM5PS wrote:
I am a new K3 owner and need some help with the k3 interface with N1MM. I
have got it work with a Winkey, but would also like for N1MM to keep track
of my band change and Freq. I have connected it to the computer via RS323
port to USB, but keep getting a error after a few
The Buddipole includes a short bead balun, but it's a bit weenie. I suspect
it's designed to allow the coax to be a radial at the lower frequencies, but
I'd have thought it would do better at 20 meters. (I've not had this
problem by the way.) Wrapping 8 turns through a big #31 or #77 toroidal
Hey Don
Thanks for the input. The rig will poser on and only TX at 12W. Is there a
seperate breaker for th ePA?
Craig
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I would beg to differ. As a past owner of an FT-2000d with the DMU-2000 pan
adapter I have to say 1 - that pan adapter was FAR MORE than what Elecraft has
described the P3 would do. It was a logging system, it was a rotor control
with world map, it was an AF scope, it was also a pan adapter
By way of comparison, $700 would buy the following PC and monitor at Costco:
Processor Memory:
Intel® Core 2 Quad Processor Q8300 (2.5GHz)
4MB L2 cache
1333MHz Front Side Bus
6GB DDR3 1066MHz SDRAM memory (4 Dimms)
Drives:
640GB (7,200RPM) SATA 3Gb/s hard drive
LightScribe 16x max DVD±R/RW
Not all USB-serial converters are created alike. More info at the
N1MM wiki here:
http://n1mm.hamdocs.com/tiki-index.php?page=Interface+Devicesstructure=N1MM+Logger+References+and+Appendices
The one referenced in note 5 looks good at $15.
Dave Hachadorian, K6LL
Yuma, AZ
On 2/13/10 8:23 AM, KM4VX wrote:
The P-3 could sell for a few
hundred dollars at profit, similar to other panadapters. Instead, we are
talking about more than double that price. Companies recover their RD
investments over time, and the higher the selling price the shorter the RD
investment
Craig,
Yes, on the back near the fans. See page 4 of the K2 Owner's Manual -
the identifier labeled 38 in that diagram.
73,
Don W3FPR
Craig WØLV wrote:
Hey Don
Thanks for the input. The rig will poser on and only TX at 12W. Is there a
seperate breaker for th ePA?
Craig
Don't forget that the LP Pan allows you to run the SDR-IF
software suite.
Why would you brag about bringing the worst part of the
Flex-radio to the K3? PowerSDR is the worst interface
in the world for a radio ... the FFT delays make the
K3 monitor sound instantaneous.
73,
...
Hi gang,
The weekly Elecraft SSB net will be held Sunday, February 14, 2010 at 1800Z
on or about 14.314MHz. I will be net control from Oregon. See you there.
73,
Phil, NS7P
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LP-PAN kit = $176.75USD
LP-PAN assembled = $227.25USD
LP-Pan is not complete ... it also requires a high end soundcard,
computer and monitor to provide up to 180 KHz span. The P3 needs
no additional hardware to provide 200 KHz span.
The Yaesu DMU-2000 only puts a graphical interface on
Welcome to the Reflector Jeff!
The K3 will work with almost any microphone or headset, you will benefit
from trying a few cheap ones before splashing out. Depending on your
voice you will probably find the ordinary computer headsets work great.
Hook up another receiver to your computer and
I have a good photo of the P3 taken early this morning but have no site
to post. I will be glad to forward it to someone who can post it to a
link for all to see. Eric was quite familiar with the buttons and
knobs.
73
Jack, W3TMZ
Dave - AB7E wrote:
The advantage, in my opinion, of a more universal piece of SDR hardware
(like LP-Pan or SDR-IQ) is EXACTLY that it would be able to run other
software, either current like PowerSDR or CW Skimmer, or other
applications that I am firmly convinced will be available in the
The Smiths wrote:
In my personal opinion, for Elecraft to charge more than $700 (if that)
for a pan adapter that does only one or at best 2 functions is outrageous.
I would have thought that $500 to $650 would be the TOP number they would
be targeting.
Yes, I will most likely purchase
Not a problem here
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Fair enough, you make a good point, $50 is a little close.. So I would say that
$525 to $600 should be the top number. I'll take the extra $100 you want to
over pay and use it to help buy me another Begali or GHD Key! :)
(let's not even get into those numbers!)
Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010
I understand that there is a need for a reasonable mark up, and I understand
that there's also a need to pay for the RD. However, some times you have to
decide if your product is worth producing based on the amount of sales that it
will generate. And not by way of how can you pay all of your
See Jack's photo at:
http://www.ww2pt.com/2010/02/elecraft-p3-panadapter-at-orlando.html
73 de WW2PT
On Feb 13, 2010, at 4:26 PM, Jack Colson wrote:
I have a good photo of the P3 taken early this morning but have no
site
to post. I will be glad to forward it to someone who can post it
There are indeed less expensive ways to display the frequency spectrum on
your PC screen, including the LP-pan which has received well-deserved praise
and acceptance. But many people prefer a self-contained solution, which
will be provided by the P3. What is an acceptable price for this is a
14.62.8..?
73,
Dick - KA5KKT
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One interesting feature Wayne showed was the ability to line up
vertical line with a spot on the display, tap the knob (the lower
right hand one), and it would QSY the rig there.
On Sat, Feb 13, 2010 at 7:24 PM, Craig D. Smith cr...@powersmith.net wrote:
There are indeed less expensive ways to
All of that equipment was made by teams of Chinese people who are paid
very poorly and aren't treated all that well either. The P3 is a labor
of love put together by a select few engineers. Its probably built by
people in California with health coverage, life insurance, and a decent
living
I also would like to see the config menu blow out to the P3 if you have
it...
So you open the config menu an then you get to see all the parameters
and their current values displayed over on the larger LCD. Then you can
scroll to the one you want to change and turn the other knob to change
its
HI all , I am considering to buy a new radio and I am between the K3 and the IC
7600, I have read very good things about K3, although I don't know anybody near
me that have one, so I would like to hear comments in why to go for the K3 and
if someone live near Ogden UT that would like to shoe
It wouldn't be inconceivable that the CW Skimmer functionality could be
implemented into the P3. They already have CW decode in the K3... All
they have do to is detect the signals and feed them into the same
algorithm. Then if you want just detect whats after the de's and
display calls only if
The P3 looks and appears to act much like the excellent screen which is
integrated into my IC 756 PRO 3. Since we like the K3 so much Elecraft
decided to compete with a separate panadapter like the P3, rather than a
K4. I think the LP-PAN kit for $175.00, with free software connected to a
They would have refunded your money if you wanted to back out you
weren't sucked into anything.
~Brett
On Sat, 2010-02-13 at 11:08 -0500, S Sacco wrote:
Guy -
Please don't forget that Elecraft sucked in quite a few of us on the K3 by
promising wildly optimistic delivery dates. I consider
I'm waiting for someone to take a VIDEO so that we can see the refresh
rate of the thing But from the sounds of it it sounds like there
are still a lot of optimizations that are going on to attempt to improve
that refresh rate...
~Brett (KC7OTG)
On Fri, 2010-02-12 at 16:57 -0600, Dave Quick
I'm not happy with the expeceted price of the P3, but even I know that I'm not
getting sucked into anything... Did he really think that once he paid his
money he couldn't back out? Seriously? Highly questionable business practice?
Please
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Does anyone know if this is a kit (likely a simple kit?) or something that is
all ready to be plugged in and used?
73, phil, K7PEH
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To all,
Let's stay cool on the speculation here for a while until more facts are
available. Eric is in Orlando, and I am certain when he returns, there
will be information on the Elecraft website about the P3, and maybe even
the price. Wait until at least Wednesday so Eric can clear his
Well said, Don.
Rose will have both a single P3 cover and a
combination K3/P3 cover as soon as I get
mine ... for dimensions. (:-))
73! Ken Kopp - K0PP
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Dick KA5KKT wrote:
14.62.8..?
Clearly- early beta firmware needs some tweaks. My guess is that this should
probably have read 14.062.8 Nothing like good lively, pre-release product
debate, huh?
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Thanks guys for all of the input. This is an older K3 serial 1085. I have
done some of the mods to it, but still more to do.
I have not had a chance to get the rig apart yet. I did look at the breaker
and it is OK. The fans are stuck on High and I have not had a chance to do
anything else.
Emilse,
WARNING - a lot of what follows is my personal opinion, but indicates my
satisfaction with Elecraft products in general.
I cannot decide for you, but if you are looking for a top performing
receiver that has the promise that it can be upgraded easily without
selling your current rig
I completed building my KPA100 a few weeks ago. It passed all tests and checks
all the way through. However, today I noticed something strange.
I'm operating in the CQ WPX RTTY contest this weekend and spent most of the day
on 20m with the Power set to 50W. I went to 15m to try it out. With
Ken,
That does not make sense. The Power output for RTTY is no different
than CW (or TUNE) except that the audio input to the K2 is different
from CW. There is no band to band difference for the K2 - AFSK
modulation is AFSK modulation no matter which band it is on.
I would be looking for RF
Some relaxation time in this world of brutes have never harmed a person. It's a
hobby first !
Cheers
Philippe A65BI
K3#3616
*Elecraft, by Hams, for Hams...What else !
Radio Amateur N5GE n...@n5ge.com 10-02-2010 19:26
On Wed, 10 Feb 2010 06:16:02 EST, k...@aol.com wrote:
Enough. This is
I had the IC756PRO series from 2001 to last August and at first I was
impressed with the scope function but in a short time I found that it
was not terribly useful but was fun to look at. It was lacking a
waterfall capability which the P3 (as well as PowerSDR-IF) had which
makes all the
Brett -
While we're thinking about stuff...where do you suppose most of the
components inside the P3 were manufactured?
Regarding support...I don't know...HP (hardware) and Microsoft (OS)
seem to have pretty large websites with lots of information on
them...and plenty of updates...especially
Dear Emilse,
Welcome.
ON4UN, one of the low band masters sold out its 2 Ten Tech Orion around
2 years ago and get 2x K3's... It is not an hazard and John easily
convinced me.
Considering my job I have tested/used all pro and ham products on the
market from decades and I'm a proud Electrafter
For more than 60 years the NCDXC and SCDXC have tirelessly sponsored one of
the most popular conventions for DXers and Contesters, the International DX
Convention held in Visalia, CA. I have been a regular attendee for more than
30 years and hope to attend for another 30 years.
The
I have a friend that is considering the K3, Omni VII and the FT-2000. Easy
remote operation is important to him. I think he prefers the K3 but I can't
help him with how easy it is to remote with the K3 as I haven't tried it nor
do I have any interest. I would appreciate any input that I can
Good Evening,
I am a bit late getting this out tonight but I have had a very busy day.
Most of the week has provided mild weather and one very nice day of sun and
warmth. However, the very next day it was pouring and cold. Then the rain
started to look odd; kind of thick. Then it turned
Not having any experience in remote operating before I was able to
easily remote my K3 using the software package TRX Manager.
73
Greg
AB7R
NZ0T wrote:
I have a friend that is considering the K3, Omni VII and the FT-2000. Easy
remote operation is important to him. I think he prefers the K3
You're comparing apples to oranges, Joe. PowerSDR and other SDR apps which
use sound card interfaces have to process a whole lot more data than the K3
does. So do the sound cards and their drivers. The K3 is concerned with the
speech passband, while many of the SDR apps process hundreds of kHz
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