Re: [Elecraft] HOA Crap

2021-06-29 Thread Rick NK7I
Hi Mike, It's always nice to work you on the air. I'm a VEC and over the last year have participated in several tests which resulted in over 100 new hams (not bad for a county of only 18,000).  Most were over 50, some 30-40's and a handful are juveniles (under 18).  At the last test, a woman

Re: [Elecraft] HOA Crap

2021-06-29 Thread Eric Swartz
You buy into them like it or not.One just has to > weight each and decide what they are willing to accept. > > 73 > > Bob, K4TAX > >> On 6/29/2021 7:34 AM, elecraft-requ...@mailman.qth.net wrote: >> Message: 11 >> Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2021 21:45:36 -0700 >>

Re: [Elecraft] HOA Crap

2021-06-29 Thread Eric Swartz
Folks, This thread is now CLOSED. Both the excessive number of posts and the subject line are in violation of list guidelines. Eric WA6HHQ Moderator elecraft.com _..._ > On Jun 29, 2021, at 8:36 PM, Rich wrote: > > The DXCC rule that a ham can operate from multiple locations anywhere

Re: [Elecraft] HOA Crap

2021-06-29 Thread Rich
The DXCC rule that a ham can operate from multiple locations anywhere in the lower 48 (for example, San Diego, Seattle, Maine, and Florida) and combine all of the QSOs for DXCC is ludicrous! Especially since the ham  but can't combine them if he were to move from Detroit across the river to

Re: [Elecraft] HOA Crap

2021-06-29 Thread Bill Johnson
...@mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of r...@wc3t.us Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2021 12:15 PM To: 'w2xj' ; j...@audiosystemsgroup.com; elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] HOA Crap https://www.qrz.com/lookup/n2wl -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of w2xj Sent

Re: [Elecraft] HOA Crap

2021-06-29 Thread Michael Walker
Rick I think you need to look at the average age of today's ham (hopefully, it is going down). Ham radio is what you make it. Your version is just fine for you. How you actually get on the air is not a law. It isn't a requirement. All you have to do is work within the legal requirements for

Re: [Elecraft] HOA Crap

2021-06-29 Thread Jim Brown
On 6/29/2021 3:28 PM, Dennis Moore wrote: We all know that we can make a permanent move from one state to another and we don't have to start DXCC all over again. We do if we take the challenge of DXCC seriously. I started over when I moved from Chicago to Santa Cruz 15 years ago. I would

Re: [Elecraft] HOA Crap

2021-06-29 Thread Joe Subich, W4TV
On 2021-06-29 6:28 PM, Dennis Moore wrote: > > Is the objection to the use of the internet to connect to that remote > station? No, the (my) objection is using multiple stations in a short period of time. I would not have a problem with a "one station (location)" per year, six months, or

Re: [Elecraft] HOA Crap

2021-06-29 Thread Joe Subich, W4TV
On 2021-06-29 6:26 PM, Bill Frantz wrote: > I really don't think the amateur radio community has wrapped its mind > around the fact that many of us move around the country a lot. No, they understand that may move a lot. *HOWEVER* even the most mobile don't move around the country at the speed

Re: [Elecraft] HOA Crap

2021-06-29 Thread Dennis Moore
I mostly agree with this. However, how would that compare to me packing up my own station, driving from California to Delaware, setting up on the beach so I could work a bunch of EU stations, then packing up and going home, claiming those DX on my DXCC? We all know that we can make a

Re: [Elecraft] HOA Crap

2021-06-29 Thread Bill Frantz
OK. I have a DXCC award on my wall. It is from Los Gatos, CW. It's showing 185 mixed confirmed in my logbook. I moved to NH in 2019. My NH log shows 106 mixed confirmed. (I keep separate logs for NH and CA contacts.) It's a bit hard to get the union of the two logs, but the results will be

Re: [Elecraft] HOA Crap

2021-06-29 Thread Joe Subich, W4TV
On 2021-06-29 5:40 PM, Doug Person wrote: I own a condo in Loveland, CO just south of Fort Collins. The HOA is a pain in the butt. My main residence is on the other side of the Rockies in rural northwestern Colorado where I have acreage, many wire antennas and a tower with a nice HexBeam on it.

Re: [Elecraft] HOA Crap

2021-06-29 Thread Doug Person
I own a condo in Loveland, CO just south of Fort Collins. The HOA is a pain in the butt. My main residence is on the other side of the Rockies in rural northwestern Colorado where I have acreage, many wire antennas and a tower with a nice HexBeam on it. When I'm in Loveland I operate my rural

Re: [Elecraft] HOA Crap

2021-06-29 Thread Rick NK7I
The difference there is that you(r club) own/s, maintain/s the station, not rents it.  Just as I operate my home station from where I happen to be.  It is also what I suggested for those infected with HOA rules. I'll double down; any station that uses a remote receiver to augment "for awards,

Re: [Elecraft] HOA Crap

2021-06-29 Thread Bill Frantz
On 6/28/21 at 12:45 AM, rick.n...@gmail.com (Rick Bates, NK7I) wrote: Ditto using remote receivers to augment your own; your station can or cannot; it's THAT simple. [With apologies to N4ZR. I'll try to tie my comment to germain topics.] I generally disagree with NK7I's comments because I

Re: [Elecraft] HOA Crap

2021-06-29 Thread Gordon LaPoint
I setup a remote about 10 miles from my house, with KT1I and WB8PKK, because KT1I had to move into an apartment with no antennas, and my noise level has gone to 20overS9 on 80-20 and is some what bad on 18-10.  I still use my home station, but use the remote for low bands.  So I can see the

Re: [Elecraft] HOA Crap

2021-06-29 Thread Wes
Apparently so. On 6/29/2021 11:53 AM, Bert wrote: What has that to do with his opinion about renting a ham station? Did I miss something? Bert VE3NR __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft

Re: [Elecraft] HOA Crap

2021-06-29 Thread Jim Brown
On 6/29/2021 11:53 AM, Bert wrote: What has that to do with his opinion about renting a ham station? Did I miss something? Yes. Two things. With all this guy has done with ham radio, I don't think anyone has the right to lecture him on what ham radio is. And eventually, if we live long

Re: [Elecraft] HOA Crap

2021-06-29 Thread Bert
What has that to do with his opinion about renting a ham station? Did I miss something? Bert VE3NR On 2021-06-29 12:30, jerry wrote: I looked. Blown away.  This guy has nothing to prove. - Jerry KF6VB On 2021-06-29 09:27, Jim Brown wrote: On 6/29/2021 7:50 AM, Bob McGraw

Re: [Elecraft] HOA Crap

2021-06-29 Thread Jim Brown
On 6/29/2021 9:48 AM, w2xj wrote: Can you provide a link to it? His qrz page Jim __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post:

Re: [Elecraft] HOA Crap

2021-06-29 Thread rich
https://www.qrz.com/lookup/n2wl -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of w2xj Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2021 12:48 To: j...@audiosystemsgroup.com; elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] HOA Crap Can you provide a link to it? > On June 29, 2

Re: [Elecraft] HOA Crap

2021-06-29 Thread w2xj
Can you provide a link to it? > On June 29, 2021 12:27 PM Jim Brown wrote: > > > On 6/29/2021 7:50 AM, Bob McGraw wrote: > > I totally agree. > > Did you do as N7WS suggested and look at this guy's website> I did. > > 73, Jim K9YC >

Re: [Elecraft] HOA Crap

2021-06-29 Thread Phil Kane
On 6/28/2021 8:52 PM, Gwen Patton wrote: I've got a Kenwood D-Star HT, but there are only a few repeaters I can use it on, and they get all grouchy if I change what reflector it's talking to. I've had them reset it in mid-QSO. Our ARES group fell for the ICOM D-STAR story about 10 years ago,

Re: [Elecraft] HOA Crap

2021-06-29 Thread jerry
I looked. Blown away. This guy has nothing to prove. - Jerry KF6VB On 2021-06-29 09:27, Jim Brown wrote: On 6/29/2021 7:50 AM, Bob McGraw wrote: I totally agree. Did you do as N7WS suggested and look at this guy's website> I did. 73, Jim K9YC

Re: [Elecraft] HOA Crap

2021-06-29 Thread Jim Brown
On 6/29/2021 7:50 AM, Bob McGraw wrote: I totally agree. Did you do as N7WS suggested and look at this guy's website> I did. 73, Jim K9YC __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help:

Re: [Elecraft] HOA Crap

2021-06-29 Thread Gwen Patton
"But that's over the Interwebs! _That's not REAL ham radio!"_ I hear this all the time over my using a ThumbDV for DMR/DSTAR/Fusion instead of putting up with limited talkgroup and reflector support from a very few repeaters I can reach, with sometimes very expensive radios. The ThumbDV cost me

Re: [Elecraft] HOA Crap

2021-06-29 Thread Gwen Patton
Not if the antenna is held aloft with a drone... ;) (hi hi) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- 73, Gwen, NG3P On Mon, Jun 28, 2021 at 4:46 PM Dennis Moore wrote: > FAA-licensed? I'd request a new letter with FCC-licensed. > > Dennis NJ6G > > On 6/28/2021 12:27, jerry wrote: > > All, > > > > Just had to

Re: [Elecraft] HOA Crap

2021-06-29 Thread jerry
On 2021-06-29 07:50, Bob McGraw wrote: I totally agree.   However, if you must operate remote, then set up YOUR station at a remote location and connect to it.   Renting, leasing, or whatever is not a valid ham contact in my log book. *** If the HOA goes to crap, that's my backup plan. I own

[Elecraft] HOA Crap

2021-06-29 Thread Bob McGraw
7I" To:elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] HOA Crap Message-ID:<51d73949-58de-b605-d0df-62ef3f62e...@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed No! Rent a station is NOT ham radio.? Argue all you want; but ham radio is about RADIO, even if it's just owning and

Re: [Elecraft] HOA Crap

2021-06-29 Thread Kurt Pawlikowski
All:         Now now boys! Be nice! {'-)     Just to be clear, Amateur Radio IS a BIG TENT. Ever hear the term "appliance operator"? Yup! Some of us like the electronics and technical radio side of things and some the operation side... Maybe some use their license just for RC! Oh no! THEY

Re: [Elecraft] HOA Crap

2021-06-29 Thread Hal Massey
The rant was great comedy. Everyone needs to find their niche in ham radio. Be it ‘remote ham’ or any other variant. > On Jun 28, 2021, at 11:53 PM, Victor Rosenthal 4X6GP > wrote: > >  > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home:

Re: [Elecraft] HOA Crap

2021-06-28 Thread Jim Brown
On 6/28/2021 10:15 PM, Wes wrote: I was going to write something like this and then I looked at his QRZ page and changed my mind. Good call! 73, Jim K9YC __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft

Re: [Elecraft] HOA Crap

2021-06-28 Thread Victor Rosenthal 4X6GP
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Re: [Elecraft] HOA Crap

2021-06-28 Thread F5vjc
Yes, do take a look at his QRZ page! :) On Tue, 29 Jun 2021 at 07:17, Wes wrote: > I was going to write something like this and then I looked at his QRZ page > and > changed my mind. > > Wes N7WS > > > On 6/28/2021 9:45 PM, Rick Bates, NK7I wrote: > > No! > > > > Rent a station is NOT ham

Re: [Elecraft] HOA Crap

2021-06-28 Thread Wes
I was going to write something like this and then I looked at his QRZ page and changed my mind. Wes  N7WS On 6/28/2021 9:45 PM, Rick Bates, NK7I wrote: No! Rent a station is NOT ham radio.  Argue all you want; but ham radio is about RADIO, even if it's just owning and using an HT because

Re: [Elecraft] HOA Crap

2021-06-28 Thread Rick Bates, NK7I
No! Rent a station is NOT ham radio.  Argue all you want; but ham radio is about RADIO, even if it's just owning and using an HT because that's all you can manage. You may as well log cell or Skype phone calls or EchoLink contacts (or IRLP, DMR, DStar etc) as use remote stations that are

[Elecraft] HOA Crap

2021-06-28 Thread William Levy
Gents, Let me remind all of you in an HOA that you don't need to put up antennas. You can join remote ham radio dot com and use giant antennas all from your website. Much better stuff than most of us ever dreamed up HOA or not. I live in NYC. I don't even have a Walkie. But I am full on remote

Re: [Elecraft] HOA Crap

2021-06-28 Thread Phil Kane
On 6/28/2021 12:27 PM, Jerry wrote:    The secret?  The Board has the power to approve pretty much anything, regardless of the CC  And I'm on the Board.  I'm also on the architecture commmittee.   When I moved here in 2011, there was no HOA.  But it was in the deed.  When the HOA was

Re: [Elecraft] HOA Crap

2021-06-28 Thread Dennis Moore
FAA-licensed? I'd request a new letter with FCC-licensed. Dennis NJ6G On 6/28/2021 12:27, jerry wrote: All,   Just had to share this snippet from a recent letter I received from my HOA: "Dear Homeowner:   Your architectural plans, to install a vertical antenna for Amateur Radio, approx 25

[Elecraft] HOA Crap

2021-06-28 Thread jerry
All, Just had to share this snippet from a recent letter I received from my HOA: "Dear Homeowner: Your architectural plans, to install a vertical antenna for Amateur Radio, approx 25 feet tall, mounted on existing pool solar heating array, on a hill behind the house. Used for