Fred,
I am sorry if you took my remarks personally. I didn't intend to be
'correct' at anyone's expense. But this is a real issue.
You said the odds that you'd ever encounter and notice its effects are
vanishingly small unless you are a 60+ WPM full QSK operator. That is
simply not the
Fred, I was the one who first started this thread. I think perhaps it
may be not affecting that many people, as there was not much support on
here about the QRQ deficiencies. I have been running QRQ at around 30
wpm, because IF I don't, I will notice some choppiness in the sent CW.
If
Which brings another question --- just when should the QRQ be enabled. I have
sent at 30 wpm and that is about the limit of my sending speed and all mistakes
are my fault -- but I have never noticed anything choppy or unusual and I have
never invoked QRQ. Reason for not invoking QRQ is that I
I just tried sending a string of V's at 30 wpm. Normally my maximum
comfortable sending level is between 20 and 25wpm, so this is certainly out
of my comfort zone. I am using a Begali Expedition and iambic mode B.
With QRQ off I was about 75% accurate in my sending of strings of V's,
with QRQ
Hopefully I will find some time to do more experiments this afternoon (maybe
not, it will be a sunny day) but sending at 30 wpm is always error prone for me
and it takes more effort that is not that comfortable. I too am best in the 20
to 25 zone. I think my error rate goes up substantially
I will preface this with the comment that I did not order my K3 until Wayne
did the QRQ mode firmware work because I operate a lot of QRQ (the
definition of this varies of course, for me it is 60+ WPM full QSK).
I believe the speed at which someone starts to hear the inconsistency in the
K3
Yes, it is heard on the sidetone. You may or may not detect it at 30
wpm, but you definitely will at 35. The sidetone is a close
representation of the signal as sent.
At slower speeds, QRQ mode also makes full QSK sound 'cleaner', but I
don't think that there is any detectable effect on the
, April 13, 2014 11:35 AM
To: Stephen Prior
Cc: Elecraft
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Side Effects of QRQ On The K3
Hopefully I will find some time to do more experiments this afternoon (maybe
not, it will be a sunny day) but sending at 30 wpm is always error prone for
me and it takes more effort
We intend to improve this in a future firmware release.
Wayne
N6KR
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To All:
First, please keep in mind that this is our hobby. Being our hobby, you all
know there are many aspects of it that, not all, but
some of us enjoy and there has been a small percentage of us, Toby, myself, and
others
OK, so I'm a 15-20 wpm operator on good days How do other popular
radios do at 35-90 wpm? Is this unique to the K3 (and KX3)? Just
curious and hoping to learn a bit.
Rich NU6T
K1, K3, KX3
On 4/13/2014 9:01 AM, W5UXH wrote:
I will preface this with the comment that I did not order my
I know that if I try full breakin with the Pro3, I get the first
character chopped a bit...
Which brings up my solution to all of this for the Pro3...
I do not run breakin. I set the delay for T/R switching to about .5
seconds. That keeps the transmitter keyed all the time I am sending...
Dave,
I have no problems running full breakin at my comfortable speed of 20 to 22
wpm. During a contest I will push the speed up a bit but still have no
problems.
I much prefer full breakin though because during some pileups and even during
some of the CW nets that I participate -- not
David,
I believe the QRQ mode is to fix an apparent change in weighting (or
some other timing consideration) of the dots and dashes as the speed is
increased.
It has nothing to do with the T/R switching, and you should find that to
follow the keying quite nicely at whatever speed you are
It's a total non-issue to me. I just wish the discussion was a tiny bit
more civil.
73 -- Lynn
On 4/13/2014 9:48 AM, KQ8M wrote:
Am I led to believe, then, that because you and Toby don't like the subject
that it shouldn't be discussed.
Or given Wayne's We intend to improve this in a
future firmware release. message of this morning,
maybe the discussion will just end.
73, Phil W7OX
On 4/13/14, 11:17 AM, Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT wrote:
It's a total non-issue to me. I just wish the
discussion was a tiny bit more civil.
73 --
Thanks you Wayne for your post indicating that it is still on the list
for improvement!
Toby K4NH
On 4/13/2014 12:38 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote:
We intend to improve this in a future firmware release.
Wayne
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Really... how many of us can, or wish to, send CW over 30 WPM?
73, F5VJC
On 13 April 2014 20:38, Toby Pennington w4c...@centurylink.net wrote:
Thanks you Wayne for your post indicating that it is still on the list for
improvement!
Toby K4NH
On 4/13/2014 12:38 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote:
Of F5vjc
Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2014 1:34 PM
To: Toby Pennington
Cc: Elecraft Reflector
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Side Effects of QRQ On The K3
Really... how many of us can, or wish to, send CW over 30 WPM?
73, F5VJC
On 13 April 2014 20:38, Toby Pennington w4c...@centurylink.net wrote:
Thanks you
With all this complaining and extolling the virtues of both the K3
and the 756P 7600 series I would like to say that I'm downsizing
to only K3s. One for HF and one used for EME and as a transverter IF.
So I have to offer: A 756PI and a companion PW-1 to make a 1 KW+,
160 - 6M, transceiver.
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Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2014 5:34 PM
To: Toby Pennington
Cc: Elecraft Reflector
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Side Effects of QRQ On The K3
Really... how many of us can, or wish to, send CW over 30 WPM?
73, F5VJC
On 13 April 2014 20:38, Toby Pennington w4c...@centurylink.net
Indeed it is another fun part of the hobby. You're in my log 20 times,
18 CW 2 RTTY. I can assure you none of those Q's were beyond about 40,
that's where my hearing starts to fade.
I met Joe, who is now N8EA, at Keesler AFB in Biloxi MS in the very
early 60's. Joe could copy 50 fairly
I have not seen anything posted on this in a long time, so thought I
would revisit it to see if any progress had been made in the area of the
QRQ feature. This feature was created so that cw ops could send with
their keyboards, or in my case on a paddle at around 25 wpm, and have
smooth cw
Hi Toby,
Could you expand a bit on the choppy CW thing? I am a new K3 person,
and I just bought my K3. All this talk about choppy CW makes me a bit
apprehensive. If I use a normal Vibroplex iambic paddle, and send well
am I going to have a problem, or is this something about using the KBD
Is this a problem only with the K3 keyer, or is it also present if an
external keyer (such as the Begali CW machine) is used?
Mike KD8RQE
In a message dated 4/12/2014 3:23:43 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
w4c...@centurylink.net writes:
I have not seen anything posted on this in a long
On 4/12/2014 1:07 PM, David Cole wrote:
Could you expand a bit on the choppy CW thing? I am a new K3 person,
and I just bought my K3. All this talk about choppy CW makes me a bit
apprehensive. If I use a normal Vibroplex iambic paddle, and send well
am I going to have a problem, or is this
Not quite so. Increase your TX DLY to 25 ms and listen to your CW.
At 8ms (default), it behaves as you say. Significantly higher values
cause QSD. It doesn't matter if you're using the internal keyer or an
external keyer.
73 DE Brian/K3KO
On 4/12/2014 22:35, Fred Jensen wrote:
On
Thank you!!! I was starting to get worried that the K3 could not
generate CW... :)
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Dave,
Let me add my two-bits too --- I am about 98 percent CW but NOT QRQ.
I am 18 to 25 wpm depending but during contests I will play around with
others at 30 wpm or more. I have never had any problems with clicks
or anything else. I am often in a QSO with a friend or two who would not
be shy
I think a few who have posted on this subject misunderstood what I
said. I said nothing about clicks or chirps at higher speeds without
the QRQ being engaged. What I did say the cw begins to get choppy.
In other words, the cw being send is not smooth as it could be. And
the faster you
I don't agree. With ORQ off, once you exceed about 35 wpm it is not OK
with TX DELAY at 8 ms either. I'm not a perfectionist, it sounds awful.
Brian is correct that it doesn't matter whether you are using the
internal keyer or an external paddle or keyboard, as long as you are
using either
Thanks Phil... New owner jitters is all... My radio is on Sacramento
now...
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I would normally top-post but hard in this case ...
On 4/12/2014 7:48 PM, Vic Rosenthal K2VCO wrote:
I don't agree. With ORQ off, once you exceed about 35 wpm it is not OK
with TX DELAY at 8 ms either. I'm not a perfectionist, it sounds awful.
Not sure what you don't agree with. I said I
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