Re: [Elecraft] sidetone problem

2020-07-26 Thread Don Wilhelm
Cris, In that case, you have firmware 2.04R which locks the sidetone source at U8-4. Is your K2 Serial number below 3000?  If so you must do the sidetone source wiring changes as shown in the KIO2 or KPA100 manual. If SN3000 or above, you have a problem that needs to be found.  Do you have a

Re: [Elecraft] sidetone problem

2020-07-26 Thread Christophe aufacf
hello sorry for the delay, I didn't have the time, look at the lack of time stl regler 030, I press on display I have U8-4 but impossible to switch to U8-25 thank you for your opinion thank you again for your precious help 73 , Cris F8ACF Le lun. 20 juil. 2020 à 22:56, Don Wilhelm a écrit : >

Re: [Elecraft] sidetone problem

2020-07-20 Thread Don Wilhelm
Christophe, You likely do not have the proper sidetone source selected. Go to the STL menu and set the parameter to about 30 - then tap DISPLAY to toggle between U6-25 and U8-4. Stop when you hear sidetone and exit the menu. 73, Don W3FPR On 7/20/2020 3:50 PM, Christophe aufacf wrote: Good

[Elecraft] sidetone problem

2020-07-20 Thread Christophe aufacf
Good morning all , I repaired my K2 with Don recently the problem now I realized that I can handle in Cw but I no longer have at the same time the sound of the CW of course in emission the STL 030 menu, whatever the level, nothing changes, any idea? -- 73 , F8ACF56

[Elecraft] Sidetone level

2009-12-05 Thread Mike
Have I tapped the wrong button somewhere? Suddenly I have to set the MON level around 40 to get a decent sidetone on CW. I don't think it was that high before. 73, Mike NF4L __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mai

[Elecraft] Sidetone

2009-09-19 Thread William Carver
Please, No! Having external signals controlling the sidetone is a disaster. 73, ... Joe, W4TV It is NOT a disaster, it is GREAT. The G3XJP "STAR" transceiver has had it for years. The sidetone amplitude adapts to the amplitude of the incoming signal which makes manual zero beating muc

RE: [Elecraft] sidetone range

2008-10-01 Thread Joe Subich, W4TV
oe Subich, W4TV > Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] sidetone range > > > Dear Joe, > > I do use 740Hz as a work-around. But, for me, the higher the > better. > From F#5 to A5 makes a difference. I'd go even higher than > 880Hz if

Re: [Elecraft] sidetone range

2008-10-01 Thread O. Johns
al Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of O. Johns Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2008 9:34 PM To: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net Cc: wayne burdick Subject: [Elecraft] sidetone range Dear Wayne and Lyle, In the original specs for the K3 (and even now in the Tech

RE: [Elecraft] sidetone range

2008-09-30 Thread Joe Subich, W4TV
2008 9:34 PM > To: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > Cc: wayne burdick > Subject: [Elecraft] sidetone range > > > Dear Wayne and Lyle, > > In the original specs for the K3 > (and even now in the Tech Specs page: > <http://www.elecraft.com/K3/K3_specs.htm > >) > t

[Elecraft] sidetone range

2008-09-30 Thread O. Johns
Dear Wayne and Lyle, In the original specs for the K3 (and even now in the Tech Specs page: ) the sidetone range was, quote, "CW Offset/Sidetone: 300-1000 Hz, adjustable." But the newer manuals, and the K3 itself I presume, have the range limited t

RE: [Elecraft] Sidetone Monitor Preference Opinions

2008-07-30 Thread Darwin, Keith
-Original Message- >Actually, using >2 knobs makes me feel more like a "real ham radio operator" since I'm >actually using 2 knobs plus my brain to make an adjustment LOL! > >- Keith N1AS - >- K3 711 - Well, Keith... the next thing you will be telling me is you prefer a straight key or

Re: [Elecraft] Sidetone Monitor Preference Opinions

2008-07-30 Thread drewko1
On Tue, 29 Jul 2008 12:16:16 -0700, Keith N1AS wrote: >I don't disagree at all Drew. I would fancy having the RIT / XIT knob >operate as a CW Pitch control so one knob could vary all required >parameters in real time. Until that day comes, I'm thinking I can get >most of the functionality using

Re: [Elecraft] Sidetone Monitor Preference Opinions

2008-07-30 Thread drewko1
On Tue, 29 Jul 2008 10:58:27 -0700, Brett Howard wrote: >I understand that but I'm not so sure that both adjustment while hearing the >pitch and adjustment while hearing a signal is needed. Why not just >adjustment while hearing sigs? > Brett, You got me... if while adjusting the pitch we coul

RE: [Elecraft] Sidetone Monitor Preference Opinions

2008-07-29 Thread Brett Howard
uly 29, 2008 11:18 AM To: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Sidetone Monitor Preference Opinions On Tue, 29 Jul 2008 10:41:24 -0700, Keith N1AS wrote: > > >Which brings us to the "old fashioned" way to adjust the pitch of the RX >signal - RIT. It keeps the TX

RE: [Elecraft] Sidetone Monitor Preference Opinions

2008-07-29 Thread Darwin, Keith
I don't disagree at all Drew. I would fancy having the RIT / XIT knob operate as a CW Pitch control so one knob could vary all required parameters in real time. Until that day comes, I'm thinking I can get most of the functionality using 2 knobs (RIT & Shift). Actually, using 2 knobs makes me fe

Re: [Elecraft] Sidetone Monitor Preference Opinions

2008-07-29 Thread drewko1
On Tue, 29 Jul 2008 10:41:24 -0700, Keith N1AS wrote: > > >Which brings us to the "old fashioned" way to adjust the pitch of the RX >signal - RIT. It keeps the TX on the same frequency and as long as you >don't adjust it too far, the signal will stay in the passband. Better >yet, combine it with

RE: [Elecraft] Sidetone Monitor Preference Opinions

2008-07-29 Thread Brett Howard
Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 10:21 AM To: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Sidetone Monitor Preference Opinions Brett, I'm not suggesting that offset pitch and sidetone pitch be different. They are the same. I'm suggesting that sometimes you want to adjust this pitch by l

RE: [Elecraft] Sidetone Monitor Preference Opinions

2008-07-29 Thread Darwin, Keith
-Original Message from Drew, AF2Z - Why would you want to vary the signal pitch? Because a different pitch can provide better copy under different reception condtions. But it's pretty hard to tell what that optimum pitch might be without listening to the signal as you adjust it, right?

Re: [Elecraft] Sidetone Monitor Preference Opinions

2008-07-29 Thread drewko1
Brett, I'm not suggesting that offset pitch and sidetone pitch be different. They are the same. I'm suggesting that sometimes you want to adjust this pitch by listening to the sidetone and sometimes you want to adjust it by listening to the received signal. Currently you can't hear the signal w

RE: [Elecraft] Sidetone Monitor Preference Opinions

2008-07-29 Thread Brett Howard
onality to make it even harder for people to do things right. :) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 6:25 AM To: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Sidetone Monitor Preference Opinions

Re: [Elecraft] Sidetone Monitor Preference Opinions

2008-07-29 Thread drewko1
>From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: >Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 10:25 PM >Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Sidetone Monitor Preference Opinions > > >> On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 18:21:17 -0500, Nick, WA5BDU wrote: >> >>> >>>Adjust pitch without hearing it?

Re: [Elecraft] Sidetone Monitor Preference Opinions

2008-07-28 Thread Jon K Hellan
Jim Brown wrote: On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 19:42:17 -0400, n4lq wrote: Using a set of computer speakers which have their own gain control Most speakers with built-in electronics have RFI problems! Indeed they do. If you have a GSM phone, each text message is announced with a "rattle rattle rattl

Re: [Elecraft] Sidetone Monitor Preference Opinions

2008-07-28 Thread n4lq
eve Ellington [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 10:25 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Sidetone Monitor Preference Opinions On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 18:21:17 -0500, Nick, WA5BDU wrote: Adjust pitch without hearing it? I can't

Re: [Elecraft] Sidetone Monitor Preference Opinions

2008-07-28 Thread drewko1
On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 18:21:17 -0500, Nick, WA5BDU wrote: > >Adjust pitch without hearing it? I can't imagine that. > I wasn't suggesting that the ability to adjust sidetone pitch be eliminated. Merely that we have the additional ability to interactively adjust the pitch of the received signal. Y

Re: [Elecraft] Sidetone Monitor Preference Opinions

2008-07-28 Thread Jim Brown
On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 19:42:17 -0400, n4lq wrote: >Using a set of computer speakers which have their own gain control Most speakers with built-in electronics have RFI problems! 73, Jim K9YC ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net

Re: [Elecraft] Sidetone Monitor Preference Opinions

2008-07-28 Thread n4lq
ECTED] - Original Message - From: "Nick-WA5BDU" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 7:21 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Sidetone Monitor Preference Opinions I hadn't noticed that they didn't track until this thread, so I guess status quo is OK with

Re: [Elecraft] Sidetone Monitor Preference Opinions

2008-07-28 Thread Nick-WA5BDU
I hadn't noticed that they didn't track until this thread, so I guess status quo is OK with me. Just now, I found that in swapping between speaker and phones, I do not feel the need to adjust the sidetone level. While transmitting ... well, it can be disconcerting to start transmitting full Q

Re: [Elecraft] Sidetone Monitor Preference Opinions

2008-07-28 Thread Tom Childers, N5GE
On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 11:03:27 -0700, "Ron D'Eau Claire" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Then there are those of us who set the AF gain and "forget" it, since we >use the RF gain control to adjust the volume for each signal. > >Whether or not the sidetone level tracks the audio gain is of little >conc

Re: [Elecraft] Sidetone Monitor Preference Opinions

2008-07-28 Thread drewko1
I've been very happy with the AGC-NR on the K3, so turning off AGC is starting to become a last resort for me. And the configurable AGC parameters give you a lot of options, not "one AGC fits all". (I do adjust the RF gain even with AGC on.) I also give signal reports corresponding to the s-meter

RE: [Elecraft] Sidetone Monitor Preference Opinions

2008-07-28 Thread K2/100 S/N 838
Dear Ron, Hear ! Hear ! You have said it so very well. My kudos ! TR, WB6TMY At 11:03 AM 7/28/2008 -0700, you wrote: Then there are those of us who set the AF gain and "forget" it, since we use the RF gain control to adjust the volume for each signal. Whether or not the sidetone level track

RE: [Elecraft] Sidetone Monitor Preference Opinions

2008-07-28 Thread Ron D'Eau Claire
Then there are those of us who set the AF gain and "forget" it, since we use the RF gain control to adjust the volume for each signal. Whether or not the sidetone level tracks the audio gain is of little concern. We turn off the AGC, so its characteristics are of no consequence. We give *real*

Re: [Elecraft] Sidetone Monitor Preference Opinions

2008-07-28 Thread hank k8dd
ather than have the level controlled by the AF Gain! - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 9:21 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Sidetone Monitor Preference Opinions I don't adjust the sidetone level very often. Not sure I'd like

Re: [Elecraft] Sidetone Monitor Preference Opinions

2008-07-28 Thread Tom Childers, N5GE
On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 09:16:11 -0600, "Bob Cunnings" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Sidetone level should be independently adjustable IMO. > >I use headphones. When operating QSK, if I've run up the AF gain to >hear a weak station, I don't want to be blasted by high sidetone level >when I start sending

RE: [Elecraft] Sidetone Monitor Preference Opinions

2008-07-28 Thread Brett Howard
ot the way you prefer. ~Brett (KC7OTG) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom Childers, N5GE Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 9:09 AM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Sidetone Monitor Preference Opinions On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 09:1

Re: [Elecraft] Sidetone Monitor Preference Opinions

2008-07-28 Thread Tom Childers, N5GE
On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 09:16:11 -0600, "Bob Cunnings" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Folks, After reading all the posts to date on this topic, I have decided what my opinion is: Go ahead and change it, but if you do, please add another feature that allows myself and others who would surely not like it a

Re: [Elecraft] Sidetone Monitor Preference Opinions

2008-07-28 Thread n4lq
happy. Oh..heck...I'm already happy but this gives us something to discuss. Steve Ellington [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: "Bob Cunnings" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 11:16 AM Subject: Re: [Elecr

Re: [Elecraft] Sidetone Monitor Preference Opinions

2008-07-28 Thread Bob Cunnings
Sidetone level should be independently adjustable IMO. I use headphones. When operating QSK, if I've run up the AF gain to hear a weak station, I don't want to be blasted by high sidetone level when I start sending, as would be the case if sidetone level tracked the AF gain. I don't want to have

RE: [Elecraft] Sidetone Monitor Preference Opinions

2008-07-28 Thread Darwin, Keith
nce the AF gain is way up to copy that weak signal. Enjoy your walk. I'm jealous. I have to stay at my desk and keep working ... :-) - Keith N1AS - - K3 711 - -Original Message- From: n4lq [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Sidetone Monitor Preference Opinions

Re: [Elecraft] Sidetone Monitor Preference Opinions

2008-07-28 Thread n4lq
EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: "Darwin, Keith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 10:24 AM Subject: RE: [Elecraft] Sidetone Monitor Preference Opinions I too am a CW operator but I greatly prefer the sidetone NOT track with the AF gain control. I w

RE: [Elecraft] Sidetone Monitor Preference Opinions

2008-07-28 Thread Darwin, Keith
rather than trying to turn the sidetone up. - Keith N1AS - - K3 711 - -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John King Subject: RE: [Elecraft] Sidetone Monitor Preference Opinions I have to agree with Steve on this. I'm a CW operator. I

RE: [Elecraft] Sidetone Monitor Preference Opinions

2008-07-28 Thread John King
I have to agree with Steve on this. I'm a CW operator. I would like to have the sidetone track volume, while still being able to adjust the mix ratio, preferably while working CW. After FD this year one fellow asked me an excellent question: "What don't you like about the K3?" I had been answering

Re: [Elecraft] Sidetone Monitor Preference Opinions

2008-07-28 Thread n4lq
uly 28, 2008 9:21 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Sidetone Monitor Preference Opinions I don't adjust the sidetone level very often. Not sure I'd like to have it vary with the AF Gain. I think I like having it as a reference audio level. Mine is set at 25. What I would like is the option to

Re: [Elecraft] Sidetone Monitor Preference Opinions

2008-07-28 Thread drewko1
I don't adjust the sidetone level very often. Not sure I'd like to have it vary with the AF Gain. I think I like having it as a reference audio level. Mine is set at 25. What I would like is the option to adjust the PITCH without hearing the sidetone. In other words, listening to a weak signal I

Re: [Elecraft] Sidetone Monitor Preference Opinions

2008-07-28 Thread n4lq
PROTECTED]>; Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 7:54 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Sidetone Monitor Preference Opinions In a recent message, n4lq <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote ... CW sidetone should follow the AF gain control and be adjustable so they are about the same level. ... Many of us with Omni

Re: [Elecraft] Sidetone Monitor Preference Opinions

2008-07-28 Thread Jan Erik Holm
n4lq wrote: CW sidetone should follow the AF gain control and be adjustable so they are about the same level. IMO absolutely not. Sidetone level should have a separate level adjust. 73 Jim SM2EKM ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailma

Re: [Elecraft] Sidetone Monitor Preference Opinions

2008-07-28 Thread David Pratt
In a recent message, n4lq <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote ... CW sidetone should follow the AF gain control and be adjustable so they are about the same level. ... Many of us with Omni VI's performed a simple mod that allowed sidetone to track with the AF gain. Yes, Steve, but on here we're talking

Re: [Elecraft] Sidetone Monitor Preference Opinions

2008-07-28 Thread n4lq
the rig and find a little knob to change sidetone level!! So if there were some way to merge sidetone into AF gain, I would love it...73 Steve Ellington [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: "Brett Howard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 1:53

[Elecraft] Sidetone Monitor Preference Opinions

2008-07-27 Thread Brett Howard
Just out of curiosity what do you gentlemen prefer? Do you like things better the way the K3 does things where the monitor level is a fixed output regardless of the AF knob. Or is the way the K1 does things more preferred. The STL menu entry allows one to set the side tone monitor as an offset

[Elecraft] Sidetone DB Measured

2008-04-22 Thread n4lq
Just to eliminate some of the subjective opinions, I have measured the DB level with my sound level meter at a distance of 2 feet from my speaker. Note that for CW I always use the MFJ-281 ClearTone speaker. This speaker has a rather sharp resonance at 650hz and is the best cw speaker I've found

Re: [Elecraft] Sidetone in line out connector?

2008-02-23 Thread Tom Hammond
Björn: Has anyone figured out if it is possible to get sidetone routed to the line out connector when keying the radio? It would be handy to hear keying this way too. I am pretty certain that this IS on the list of things to do. I think it is (or must be) a DSP function. 73, Tom Hammond N

[Elecraft] Sidetone in line out connector?

2008-02-23 Thread Björn Mohr
Has anyone figured out if it is possible to get sidetone routed to the line out connector when keying the radio? It would be handy to hear keying this way too. 73 de Björn /SM0MDG ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must b

[Elecraft] Sidetone

2008-02-06 Thread Wayne L. Reed
I have been away from the K2 for a while. I decided I wanted to get my CW back into good form and was using the internal keyer with no antenna and power set to nil (<0.1 watt). After using it a while, I decided to set the sidetone in to PF1 and make levels easier to set. I did that and the nex

Re: [Elecraft] Sidetone

2007-10-18 Thread Don Wilhelm
Joe, Easy - go into the menu, select ST L, then press EDIT to edit the parameter. Tap DISPLAY to toggle the sidetone source. When you hear sidetone, stop tapping DISPLAY. 73, Don W3FPR Joe Fowler wrote: Well, I did it. While playing with my K2's menu, I killed my sidetone. Any Ideas? Tnx

[Elecraft] Sidetone

2007-10-18 Thread Joe Fowler
Well, I did it. While playing with my K2's menu, I killed my sidetone. Any Ideas? Tnx Joe ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://m

Re: [Elecraft] Sidetone with harmonics at 400 Hz...

2007-08-04 Thread David Cutter
, 2007 7:35 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Sidetone with harmonics at 400 Hz... I find the square wave character of the stock sidetone quite annoying on my K2 #5004, with the sidetone set at 500 Hz. However I run the audio through a SCAF-1 external audio filter, which makes the sidetone much more of a

RE: [Elecraft] Sidetone with harmonics at 400 Hz...

2007-08-04 Thread Ron D'Eau Claire
f Rob Locher W7GH Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2007 11:59 AM To: Elecraft Discussion List Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Sidetone with harmonics at 400 Hz... Hi Ken, Thanks for the email. I've compared the sidetone from my K2 to the sidetone from several others, and mine is about typical. I don&#x

Re: [Elecraft] Sidetone with harmonics at 400 Hz...

2007-08-04 Thread Joseph Trombino Jr
The sidetone mode to the K2 was an improvement but there appears to be an artifact(s) on the tone itself.not quite a thump but something on the sidetone when it is keyed..don't know quite how to describe it but I can hear itbut then I am VERY picky about sidetone purity and thumps an

Re: [Elecraft] Sidetone with harmonics at 400 Hz...

2007-08-04 Thread Rob Locher W7GH
Hi Ken, Thanks for the email. I've compared the sidetone from my K2 to the sidetone from several others, and mine is about typical. I don't doubt that my tone would look sinusoidal on a scope, since the harmonics are probably several dB down from the fundamental tone. However, they are there,

Re: [Elecraft] Sidetone with harmonics at 400 Hz...

2007-08-04 Thread Ken K3IU
Ho Rob: If you are getting a square wave out of your sidetone, then you probably have a problem someplace. I just put the sidetone from 5413 on the scope and is shows an almost perfect sine wave. 73, Ken Wagner K3IU Rob Locher W7GH wrote: I find the square wave character of the stock sidetone

Re: [Elecraft] Sidetone with harmonics at 400 Hz...

2007-08-04 Thread Rob Locher W7GH
I find the square wave character of the stock sidetone quite annoying on my K2 #5004, with the sidetone set at 500 Hz. However I run the audio through a SCAF-1 external audio filter, which makes the sidetone much more of a single tone, and far more pleasant to my ear. The SCAF-1 also eliminates

RE: [Elecraft] Sidetone with harmonics at 400 Hz...

2007-08-04 Thread Ron D'Eau Claire
The basic issue is that the sidetone is, indeed, a square wave, followed by a filter to reduce the harmonic content. Like most Hams who've been around a number of years, I've listened to every sort of "sidetone" from a sawtooth wave to the squawks and bleats produced by keying a rig with the rece

Re: [Elecraft] Sidetone with harmonics at 400 Hz...

2007-08-04 Thread Ken K3IU
Hi Steve: Sometime between s/ns 2888 and 3442 that I built, there was a mod to the sidetone circuit that added on the control board an inductor (now L1 82mH) and a resistor (R11 47K) to "round off" the square wave. I do not know if that was included in the major mod to bring up pre 3000s to the

Re: [Elecraft] Sidetone with harmonics at 400 Hz...

2007-08-04 Thread Jim Miller
A pure square wave has only the fundamental and odd harmonics. If the sidetone is produced by passing a squarewave through a multistage low pass filter designed for a higher frequency, a lower sidetone frequency will indeed have a proportionally higher level of odd harmonics present. 73 jim ab

[Elecraft] Sidetone with harmonics at 400 Hz...

2007-08-04 Thread Steve Kallal
I have a K2, serial #2289, that has a second harmonic in the sidetone. The sidetone is set for 400 Hz because I do much better with lower pitches. The sidetone at 400 Hz has a definite square wave sound to it. The problem certainly is not present at 600 Hz, and I don't even want to try 500 Hz. I'd

RE: [Elecraft] Sidetone or zero beat

2007-07-12 Thread Thom LaCosta
On Thu, 12 Jul 2007, Darwin, Keith wrote: In the music field, we use guitar tuners. They tell you if you're sharp of flat. I've often though of using a guitar tuner to tune CW. 622 Hz is an Eb, 659 Hz is an E. Those critters are really usefull...borrowed one last weekend to take to a work

RE: [Elecraft] Sidetone or zero beat

2007-07-12 Thread Darwin, Keith
Tone matching judgment - depending on what you're referring to, nobody has it. Most people can identify which of two tones is higher or lower if they have enough pitch separation. As they get closer in pitch, people's ability to tell high or low (sharp or flat) goes away. At that point you have

RE: [Elecraft] Sidetone or zero beat

2007-07-12 Thread Brett gazdzinski
I find the K2 and other modern rigs hard to zero, as I have NO tone matching judgment. What I do is jump between cw and cw reverse until I cant hear any difference, that sometimes takes some time The homebrew receiver is easy though, I turn the bfo on and adjust the tuning till I get below

[Elecraft] Sidetone or zero beat

2007-07-12 Thread Bill Tippett
AC7AC: >It's a mistake to think that a tone deaf person has any trouble zero beating. It just isn't so. That's because the frequency of the tones is immaterial. >The "trick" is to know how to hear the beat note. One doesn't care what the frequency of the signal is or whether it's any where near

Re: [Elecraft] Sidetone or zero beat

2007-07-11 Thread Rick Dettinger
Most modern transceivers, including the Elecraft rigs, have virtually no output within 100 Hz or so of the carrier frequency, thanks to the excellent I.F. filters they use. That makes finding zero beat with the sidetone mandatory to avoid an error or 100 Hz or more in trying to tune onto the othe

RE: [Elecraft] Sidetone or zero beat

2007-07-11 Thread Ron D'Eau Claire
It's a mistake to think that a tone deaf person has any trouble zero beating. It just isn't so. That's because the frequency of the tones is immaterial. The "trick" is to know how to hear the beat note. One doesn't care what the frequency of the signal is or whether it's any where near the sideto

Re: [Elecraft] Sidetone or zero beat

2007-07-11 Thread Ian Stirling
On Wednesday 11 July 2007 14:25:35 Gary D Krause wrote: > I was just wondering what people prefer. I have used audio zero beating since my first station: separates, an Eddystone EA12 and Yaesu FL-101. And I tune my own pianos. Ian, G4ICV, AB2GR, K2 #4962 --

Re: [Elecraft] Sidetone or zero beat

2007-07-11 Thread Gary D Krause
Thanks Bill. It's good to know that the K3 will do that. I understand that I am zero beating in both cases. I'm not tone deaf, it's just that it takes me longer to match tones. Usually, by the time I get the tones matched the station I wanted to contact is either gone or in a QSO with anothe

[Elecraft] Sidetone or zero beat

2007-07-11 Thread Bill Tippett
I wrote: > For tone deaf folks, Elecraft offers a CW tuning indicator which may be better for you. Actually I short-changed that feature. Get within ~100 Hz and the K3 automatically zero beats for you. From the FAQ: ##Speaking o

Re: [Elecraft] Sidetone or zero beat

2007-07-11 Thread Jack Smith
My Z100 kit is intended to allow fast matching the incoming signal with the side tone, through 24 LEDs in a spectrum display, 25 Hz per LED, to give you the direction to adjust and the mis-tuning magnitude. Jack K8ZOA www.cliftonlaboratories.com ___

[Elecraft] Sidetone or zero beat

2007-07-11 Thread Bill Tippett
>I can zero beat a signal a lot quicker that fiddling around trying to match up tones. I then adjust the offset to either side of the carrier to my liking. Before anyone says it just takes practice, I'll have to say that 23 years is probably enough practice. ;-) I can do it, it just takes lon

[Elecraft] Sidetone or zero beat

2007-07-11 Thread Gary D Krause
I was just wondering what people prefer. Every radio I have owned has used sidetone matching. I've only owned one radio that actually lets you zero beat a signal and that is the one I prefer the most since I can zero beat a signal a lot quicker that fiddling around trying to match up tones. I

Re: [Elecraft] sidetone

2007-07-06 Thread Don Wilhelm
Chris, You have inadvertently changed the sidetone source in the menu. Enter the menu for STL and set the value to about 40, then tap DISPLAY to toggle the sidetone source. When you hear sidetone, stop tapping. The sidetone source selection is intended to support older K2s that do not have

[Elecraft] sidetone

2007-07-06 Thread Chris Waldrup
I have just started working on my CW so that I can better help out at FD next year rather than just do SSB. I am working on CW practice in the evenings with a guy in my QRP club. However, I have noticed that when I hit the key, I hear nothing from the K2. I am having to turn on my SWL receiver

[Elecraft] Sidetone Mod Working

2007-03-10 Thread Darrell Bellerive
Thanks to all for your assistance. After playing around for quite a while with this mod, I finally have it optimized for my K2. Sidetone is set to 580 Hz and measured at 589 Hz. I went through over a dozen combinations before settling on the combination listed below. L1 was removed and replace

Re: [Elecraft] sidetone mod now works

2007-03-09 Thread Darrell Bellerive
I played a bit with this mod this evening. I can duplicate the results, but I'd like to understand a bit more about this circuit. What is the purpose of RP5 pins 7/8 and pins 9/10? This grounds the audio signal via 940 ohms of resistance. Is this just to provide a DC bias for the electrolytic c

Re: [Elecraft] sidetone mod now works

2007-03-09 Thread G3SJJ
I did the mod recently on my K2/100 serial 5545. It made a big difference and now the sidetone is much more relaxing to listen to. I didn't enjoy txing on the K2 before this. This is what I did : 1 - Remove L1 and C33 2 - Solder a 2.2uF in place of L1 3 - Cut a small piece of holed circuit bo

Re: [Elecraft] sidetone mod now works

2007-03-07 Thread Sverre Holm
> My L1 82 mH inductor has a DC resistance of 62 ohms. This is quite different > from the 180 ohm version used in the mod. Would a series resistor be desired > as Fred indicates in the message below? I have 100 ohm, 120 ohm, and 150 ohm > resistors on hand. Where is this resistor installed betwe

Re: [Elecraft] sidetone mod now works

2007-03-07 Thread Darrell Bellerive
I am curious about doing this sidetone mod on a K2 rev B. Elecraft changed the sidetone circuit from serial number 3000 on, and wonder how effective the sidetone mod is on a rev B K2. My K2 is serial # 5093. The mod is described at http://www.raunvis.hi.is/%7Ematti/TF3MA/sidetone_tf3ma.html >F

RE: [Elecraft] Sidetone

2007-01-03 Thread Don Wilhelm
Paul, If it is not present with the headphones, then yes, it is in the speaker itself - nothing you can do the the K2 circuits will have any effect. You might try an external speaker as a test. 73, Don W3FPR > -Original Message- > > > 8R Hold is set on...t-r delay at .005no differenc

Re: [Elecraft] Sidetone

2007-01-03 Thread Paul Del Negro
) - if not, that is your first step. 73, Don W3FPR -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Ron D'Eau Claire Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 1:48 PM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: RE: [Elecraft] Sidetone Wups! Okay, that exhausts my

RE: [Elecraft] Sidetone

2007-01-02 Thread Don Wilhelm
your first step. 73, Don W3FPR > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Ron D'Eau Claire > Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 1:48 PM > To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net > Subject: RE: [Elecraft] Sidetone > > > Wups! Okay,

RE: [Elecraft] Sidetone

2007-01-02 Thread Marteinn Sverrisson
Regaring the clicks. -Original Message- I am hesitant to put this question up here because I have seen so many posts about it but here goes anyway. I love my K2 sn 05834 except for one thing...the sidetone. There seems to be excessive thumps (clicks?) on both make and break, especiall

RE: [Elecraft] Sidetone

2007-01-02 Thread Ron D'Eau Claire
Wups! Okay, that exhausts my tiny knowledge of the switching issue! Perhaps Don or one of the other guys here will have some more ideas. Never hesitate to ask - believe it or not, that's what this reflector is for (although at times we wander so far afield one might not realize it, Hi!) Ron AC7AC

Re: [Elecraft] Sidetone

2007-01-02 Thread Paul Del Negro
Ron D'Eau Claire wrote: Sounds like you have t-r in the MENU set to 0.00, Paul. That makes the t/r delay zero so you hear the actual switching going on. Try 0.01 or greater for smooth t/r switching. Ron AC7AC -Original Message- I am hesitant to put this question up here because I h

RE: [Elecraft] Sidetone

2007-01-02 Thread Ron D'Eau Claire
Sounds like you have t-r in the MENU set to 0.00, Paul. That makes the t/r delay zero so you hear the actual switching going on. Try 0.01 or greater for smooth t/r switching. Ron AC7AC -Original Message- I am hesitant to put this question up here because I have seen so many posts abou

[Elecraft] Sidetone

2007-01-02 Thread Paul Del Negro
I am hesitant to put this question up here because I have seen so many posts about it but here goes anyway. I love my K2 sn 05834 except for one thing...the sidetone. There seems to be excessive thumps (clicks?) on both make and break, especially when using the internal speaker. I know there

RE: [Elecraft] Sidetone volume

2006-12-28 Thread Sverre Holm
> -Original Message- > > The problem with the in-line volume control is that it will > reduce the desired signal also. I believe that is exactly what is needed. The inline volume control will affect both the sidetone level and the audio output just as the suggested modification of t

Re: [Elecraft] Sidetone volume

2006-12-28 Thread John R. Lonigro
Bob: One solution might be to set one of your programmable function keys to be sidetone level. At least that would eliminate the problem of going through the menu each time you needed to change it. 73's, John AA0VE Bob Tellefsen wrote: Hi Sverre The problem with the in-line volume control i

Re: [Elecraft] Sidetone volume

2006-12-28 Thread Bob Tellefsen
with Attitude - Original Message - From: "Sverre Holm" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, December 27, 2006 5:30 PM Subject: RE: [Elecraft] Sidetone volume > > I think you may have hit the nail on the head. I DO have to reduce the > > volume greatly when usin

RE: [Elecraft] Sidetone volume

2006-12-27 Thread Sverre Holm
> I think you may have hit the nail on the head. I DO have to reduce the > volume greatly when using the headphones. From my perusal of the schematic > for the K2, it looks like if I changed R36 There isn't really any need to modify resistor values in the K2 to achieve what you want, unless y

RE: [Elecraft] Sidetone volume

2006-12-27 Thread Don Wilhelm
Fred, R35 and R36 are only in series with the headphones, not the speaker (follow the audio amp output through the switch on the headphone jack to verify). You will have to experiment with the required value - I do not have voltage levels corresponding to the numbers of STL, nor do I have the SPL

RE: [Elecraft] Sidetone volume

2006-12-27 Thread Fred Bennett N9TA
Tnx Don I think you may have hit the nail on the head. I DO have to reduce the volume greatly when using the headphones. From my perusal of the schematic for the K2, it looks like if I changed R36 it would change the AF level on both the speaker AND the phones...NOT what I *think* I want. It loo

RE: [Elecraft] Sidetone volume

2006-12-27 Thread Don Wilhelm
Fred, Since you are reducing the setting of the AF gain control when changing from headphones to the speaker? If so, that is the reason in a 'nutshell' - the level of the sidetone is not controlled by the AF gain. So, if you set the sidetone level to be correct for your speaker volume, then it w

[Elecraft] Sidetone volume

2006-12-27 Thread Fred Bennett N9TA
Hi Gang My wife often invades my shack to watch TV while my son plays Xbox on the TV in the living room. I plug in my headphones while she is watching TV so that the noise won't bother her...(and the noise from the TV won't bother ME)...But when she's gone I unplug the headphones and use an ext

[Elecraft] sidetone mod now works

2006-11-15 Thread kt5x
The sidetone mod by TF3MA was installed in my K2 right after Marti posted it. I obtained a 47 mh inductor for this mod from Elecraft. The mod resulted in an improved sidetone, but left room for further improvement, especially at lower tones. Additionally there was an objectionable pin-prick

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