Hi Charlie,
This is an exact quote from page NIST-25 of the proposed FY2019 NIST budget:
< www.osec.doc.gov/bmi/budget/FY19CBJ/NIST_and_NTIS_FY2019_President
's_Budget_for_508_comp.pdf>
"NIST will discontinue the dissemination of the U.S. time and frequency via the
NIST radio stations in
Hi Scott, N9AA
yes QRP can be quite a challenge ~ and a lot of fun too
Have worked WAS with the K2 and the KX3 with wire antenna
Consider joining SKCC @ https://www.skccgroup.com/
Cheers, Jan K1ND ~ skcc # 6099T ~
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Yes, it's called Fast Message Play:
-Hold MSG (long hold ~3 seconds)
-Use Band+, Band-, and Freq Ent to play Messages 1,2, and 3.
73, Mitch
NWØM
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Folks -
WWV threads closed. Both OT and way over our OT positing number limits between
this one and the other WWV threads.
While an important topic, this is an policy discussion that is outside of
Elecraft list guidelines for permitted topics. Please take it off list for
further discussion
Hi Nate,
Thanks much for all the info. A great resource indeed.
I needed to test the P3 utility 1st, and that turned out very simple in my
case (Mint 18.3). I just downloaded the tar.gz file, unpacked it to a
dedicated library under home, made the executable "execute" & voila it
worked. The
Folks - please see my earlier post. The WWV thread has been closed.
73,
Eric
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On 8/20/2018 11:41 AM, Mike Maloney wrote:
Dual 35kW ERP synchronous transmitters and antennas for 70kW ERP at 60kHz.
Short (for 5km wavelength!) 4x400 ft quad towers that support top hat.
Well maybe this requires a reply from Elecraft. They seem to be furnishing
conflicting information on this. I asked that question and here is the reply I
received:
Elecraft: Placement of the power supply can be anywhere within the 5.5 ft
distance of the power supply cable and control
Yes.
https://www.qrp-labs.com/clockn.html
https://www.runnersworld.com/gear/a20827055/advanced-gps-watches-for-runners/
and more.
Watches and clocks as "justification" for continued WWV broadcasts is
laughable.
John AE5X
https://ae5x.blogspot.com
On Mon, Aug 20, 2018 at 10:36 AM Dr. William
And they (we) love it at their own cost, not the taxpayers.
John AE5X
https://ae5x.blogspot.com
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Except when it isn’t … you must have an exceptional internet provider. It’s
like much of the rest of the US communications infrastructure — subject to
going dark at the worst possible time.
Grant NQ5T
K3 #2091 KX3 #8342
> and the internet is like a band that's always open --
On 8/20/2018 9:10 AM, John Harper wrote:
> The clock/watch argument in the age of GPS, network and cellular time
> sync is a valid argument only to geeks, of which I am one, thanks (in
> part) to my Casio watch.
Neither GPS signals nor the 60 kHz WWVB signal are receivable inside my
apartment
Well..he DID use the term "equivalent".
I get it, but you know what it will sound like if everyone starts
crankin on that compression knob :)
I agree with everything else you just said BTW
Curt
On 08/20/18 3:02 PM, Clay Autery wrote:
That was unnecessary It was neither asserted or
What is the justification for continued funding of WWV? Hasn't it been
obsoleted (if that's a verb) by GPS as far as being a time and freq
standard?
John AE5X
https://ae5x.blogspot.com
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Well let's start with all of those self-setting watches and wall clocks...
and then the propagation information that is broadcast. Does GPS do that?
Dr. William J. Schmidt - K9HZ J68HZ 8P6HK ZF2HZ PJ4/K9HZ VP5/K9HZ PJ2/K9HZ
Owner - Operator
Big Signal Ranch K9ZC
Staunton, Illinois
Owner
The clocks I know about use WWVB (VLF), not WWV or WWVH (both HF).
WWVB transmits at 60 kHz with 70 kW.
wunder
K6WRU
Walter Underwood
CM87wj
http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog)
> On Aug 20, 2018, at 8:36 AM, Dr. William J. Schmidt
> wrote:
>
> Well let's start with all of those
I was using the CW memories in my KX3 yesterday during the NJ QRP Skeeter Hunt.
To play the messages I used the standard two button sequence (MSG + Message
#). I seem to recall that there might be a shortcut whereby I only need to
press one button. Am I imagining that or does it exist? If
On 8/20/2018 7:37 AM, K3ICH wrote:
As the saying goes, "Five watts is five watts".
The saying is an oversimplification. The KX3 includes two important
tools to increase talk power on SSB -- TX equalization, which can be set
to emphasize speech intelligibility and minimize power wasted below
On 8/20/2018 11:35 AM, Curt Nixon wrote:
So if I utilize these same compression and hpf adjustments and
equalization my 100W will sound like 1KW??
Yes
73, Jim K9YC
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Personal note
Ever since I home-brewed my first receiver when I was 15, I've used WWV at
multiple frequencies as a source of reliable on-air test signals.
My early receivers used simple direct-conversion schemes based on JFETs
(remember the MPF102?). Get the details wrong, and you'd hear
OK I'll give you that. A 592 signal WILL in fact, sound different from a 599
signal.
Chas
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From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net On
Behalf Of Clay Autery
Sent: Monday, August 20, 2018 10:38 AM
To: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 DX
What you
Yeah, I'd miss them, BUT, my little Elecraft hand-held XG3 sig gen is pretty
handy for that too .
Also, I don't believe funding for the 60kHz sig was ever at risk and THAT's
what your (antique) watch uses.
73, Charlie k3ICH
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From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net
I doubt that. LORAN A and C were pulse systems with high peak power
[some LORAN C stations fed over a megawatt peak to the antenna], but the
average power was much lower. Before LORAN C's demise, a handful of
stations were fitted with Accufix transmitters by Megapulse Corporation
... no
Dual 35kW ERP synchronous transmitters and antennas for 70kW ERP at 60kHz.
Short (for 5km wavelength!) 4x400 ft quad towers that support top hat. Center
connected cable is main radiator. Hard to see getting 35kW ERP out of 100kW
transmitter at 5000 meter wavelength for such a short stub
KAT100/K2 not consistent
Mine would do the same! Found that if at last power down if the output power on
the K2 was set to greater than 20 watts or higher the KAT100 and KPA100 (both
in E2C ) would not come on line. The following is what I found for consistent
operation.
Some but not all to
John, you're simply incorrect. Our house has a number of WWVB synched
clocks, as do many, many thousands of others.
On Mon, Aug 20, 2018, 09:41 John Harper wrote:
> Yes.
> https://www.qrp-labs.com/clockn.html
>
> https://www.runnersworld.com/gear/a20827055/advanced-gps-watches-for-runners/
>
>
Trivia ..
The last I knew the WWVB transmitter is a "repurposed" 100KW
LORAN C TX from the closed site in ND.
73!
K0PP
On Mon, Aug 20, 2018 at 10:45 AM, Charlie T wrote:
> Yeah, I'd miss them, BUT, my little Elecraft hand-held XG3 sig gen is
> pretty
> handy for that too .
>
> Also, I
Hi Roger,
I spent most of my 4-year USCG career on LORAN-C related activities. 6 months
ET school at Governor's Island, a year at the monitor station in Bermuda (yeah,
that was tough) and finally two years at the engineering center in Wildwood, NJ
(even tougher :)
I really despised the
So if I utilize these same compression and hpf adjustments and
equalization my 100W will sound like 1KW?? maybe on paper..
KU8L
On 08/20/18 2:12 PM, Jim Brown wrote:
On 8/20/2018 7:37 AM, K3ICH wrote:
As the saying goes, "Five watts is five watts".
The saying is an oversimplification. The
May I forward your note to Support, along with mine?
On 8/20/18, 10:19 AM, "Bob" wrote:
Well maybe this requires a reply from Elecraft. They seem to be furnishing
conflicting information on this. I asked that question and here is the
reply I
received:
I absolutely love my XG3 and have not even begun to exhaust the list of uses
for it
Reference signal source is NOT on the list I have had the priviledge of
working with half a dozen XG3s at one time...
They are not even CLOSE to precision frequency references often varying
Ah! LORAN C. I remember it well.
Roger CWO4, USCG (retired)
On 8/20/2018 12:54 PM, Rose wrote:
Trivia ..
The last I knew the WWVB transmitter is a "repurposed" 100KW
LORAN C TX from the closed site in ND.
73!
K0PP
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That was unnecessary It was neither asserted or even remotely
suggested that 5 W or 100W could be made to "sound like 1 KW"...
IN FACT, power level has little to do with HOW something sounds...
volume? yes, quality? Not nearly as much.
The POINT that I and Jim (more succinctly) were
> On Aug 20, 2018, at 11:32 , John Harper wrote:
>
> What is the justification for continued funding of WWV? Hasn't it been
> obsoleted (if that's a verb) by GPS as far as being a time and freq
> standard?
Here is (are?) my two cents:
I think this is a significant mistake for at least two
I'm wearing an "atomic watch" as we speak and have two such clocks as well.
A few years ago I had a 4:3 Sony Trinitron tv. It was obsoleted by newer
better technology and I now have a 16:9 ratio TV just like you do. The
clock/watch argument in the age of GPS, network and cellular time sync is a
One could make the same argument about CW: there are new modes that
provide reliable communication well below the noise floor.
For that matter, HF is subject to propagation, and the internet is like
a band that's always open -- and the data rates are higher.
Yet there is an "installed base"
I haven't checked the rules, but box with a low-power 60 KHz transmitter
and something like a Raspberry Pi to get time via NTP and transmit
WWVB-like signals over 100 feet or so might be a viable product.
73 -- Lynn
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Thread closed. Both OT and way over postiing number limits.
While an important topic, yhis is an policy discussion that is outside of
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On 8/20/2018 8:48 AM, Dale Chayes wrote:
> I think this is a significant mistake for at least two big picture
> reasons:
> 1) There are still many devices (notably standalone clocks and
> watches) that set time from these signals, and
AFAIK the "self-setting" watches and clocks use the WWVB
On 8/20/2018 8:50 AM, Walter Underwood wrote:
> The clocks I know about use WWVB (VLF), not WWV or WWVH (both HF).
IIRC at one time back in the dark ages of hamdom, Heathkit did sell a
clock kit that used either the 5 MHz or 10 MHz signal from WWV/WWVH.
One of the many that I never built.
73 de
And it is a cheap backup for frequency and timing due to GPS lost or
scrambled due to military actions.
Don, KI4D
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[mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Dr. William J.
Schmidt
Sent: Monday, August 20, 2018 11:37 AM
I think the millions of people who bought "atomic clocks" with no
technical background, no idea of how they set themselves would disagree.
... but only once they realize their "atomic clocks" are far less accurate.
The technology is attractive. You put in a battery, set the time zone
and it
Folks -
Please see my prior posts. The WWV thread has been closed.
Eric
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On 8/20/2018 11:43 AM, Phil Kane wrote:
On 8/20/2018 9:10 AM, John Harper wrote:
The clock/watch argument in the age of GPS, network and cellular time
sync is a valid argument only to geeks, of
Hello,
Does your K2 need repair? Tuneup?
Want to sell it, but it needs some attention before offering it for sale?
In addition to tuning your rig, I can also rescue a building project you might
have started some time ago.
See what my clients have said about my construction and service work at
“Text” file?
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> On Aug 20, 2018, at 5:28 PM, Al Lorona wrote:
>
> I'd like to obtain IQ baseband files of an FT-8 signal, either separate I and
> Q files or combined in one text file. Is that easy for someone to do?
> Thanks, and please contact me off list.
>
* On 2018 20 Aug 13:30 -0500, TL_Netvision wrote:
> Hi Nate,
>
> Thanks much for all the info. A great resource indeed.
>
> I needed to test the P3 utility 1st, and that turned out very simple in my
> case (Mint 18.3). I just downloaded the tar.gz file, unpacked it to a
> dedicated library
Until someone takes out the GPS birds. It’s always good the have backup.
Sent from my iPad
> On Aug 20, 2018, at 8:32 AM, John Harper wrote:
>
> What is the justification for continued funding of WWV? Hasn't it been
> obsoleted (if that's a verb) by GPS as far as being a time and freq
>
I'd like to obtain IQ baseband files of an FT-8 signal, either separate I and Q
files or combined in one text file. Is that easy for someone to do?
Thanks, and please contact me off list.
Al W6LX
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I don't think John was implying people didn't have or use wwv clocks, but
that's it not a reason by itself for WWV, and I agree with him. Why pay
thousands of dollars to staff and run wwv just for clocks and stuff? With
the internet and phones that use data and or GPS satellites to constantly
Interesting. I just told my friend W2irt that it was OK for vertical mounting
of the power supply from the several posts on here a few months ago and I
thought onewas from Elecraft. Its hard to imagine vertical placement of the
power supply being a problem. It never even approaches getting
Hopefully Eric or Wayne will chime in and answer this question once and for
all. Since warm air has a tendency to rise, I could see where placement could
be an issue.
An answer "straight from the horse's mouth" would hopefully put this issue to
bed.
Dick, K8ZTT
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Remember that Congress has completely rejected the President's budget
and has generally set funding levels far higher than requested,
especially for agencies involved in science and research, like NIST.
In this case, the House and Senate appropriations bills have funding
levels for this account
What you just posted is a combination of fact, fiction, and oversimplification.
I can absolutely discern the difference between signals received from better
and lesser transceivers if the disparity in transmitted signal quality is
sufficiently large.
Conversely, I am routinely complimented of
Thanks for that reply Phil. Actually I also have Phonak hearing aids
and a ComPilot II. I will give that a try after I get my new K3S
installed within the next few days.
I have only had the hearing aids for a few weeks but the improvement has
exceeded my expectations.
73, Bob N7XY
On
Scott,
I don't usually brag either, but this is not about me, rather my KX3.
On Saturday morning last, on 14.221, I worked a pileup while activating
Porthcawl Lighthouse for the first time during International Lighthouse and
Lightship Weekend. I was scribbling down QSOs at a rate of one a
* On 2018 19 Aug 23:40 -0500, TL_Netvision wrote:
> Hello all,
>
>
>
> I want to install the K3, KPA500, KAT500 & P3 utilities on a Linux
> mint-18.4 computer.
>
> Any detailed guidelines will be much appreciated.
Is your installation of the amd64 architecture? On Mint the following
should
I am also hearing impaired, but like to use a headset with microphone. My
hearing aids just didn’t work with my favorite headset, but I discovered a
work-around. I used the K3 audio receive settings to boost the frequencies
required. For CW, I applied essentially a lot of gain to amplify my
Before mine arrived a few weeks ago I put exactly that question to Elecraft
Support. The reply was that there would be no problem mounting the PS
vertically, so long as the air clearances are observed for the air flow -- I
believe it's three inches at the top and at the rear, but the manual is
Admittedly, the Rx plays a part, but the ham on the other end of your signal
can't tell the difference between a KX3 and a 6AQ5.
As the saying goes, "Five watts is five watts".
I think what you're actually saying is that you're amazed at what can be
accomplished at QRP power levels.
Remember,
The ARRL has MORE than a 100,000 members!
I have forwarded the petition to the ARRL for membership action.
You may want to do the same!
John
K-LINE
WA4AIP
ARRL Life Member
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* On 2018 20 Aug 08:59 -0500, John Altman wrote:
> The ARRL has MORE than a 100,000 members!
>
> I have forwarded the petition to the ARRL for membership action.
The League is already well aware of this per Midwest Division Director
Rod, K0DAS, who spoke at the Kansas Convention yesterday. He
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