Re: [O] [patch] extend org-meta-return to keywords

2014-11-25 Thread Nicolas Goaziou
Rasmus ras...@gmx.us writes: From my point of view, we can make every function tied to M-RET beyond `org-insert-headline' configurable and turned off by default. This may, however, also add confusion (why did M-RET work in X's Org but not in mine...). In this case, S-RET is a superior (as

Re: [O] [patch] extend org-meta-return to keywords

2014-11-23 Thread Thierry Banel
Le 23/11/2014 00:20, Nicolas Goaziou a écrit : M-RET, is, first and foremost, an important keybinding for editing the /structure/ of the document. The behaviour you want to add has nothing to do with structure. I guess this is the main decision point about Rasmus's proposal. I'm not sure I

Re: [O] [patch] extend org-meta-return to keywords

2014-11-23 Thread Nicolas Goaziou
Hello, Thierry Banel tbanelweb...@free.fr writes: I'm not sure I understand the /structure/ argument. (Is structure about hiding blocks? Parsing org docs?). Nicolas, you have worked a lot on this topic (org-element, new drawer syntax). May be you could elaborate on this. M-RET, C-RET are

Re: [O] [patch] extend org-meta-return to keywords

2014-11-23 Thread Rasmus
Hi, Thanks for the comments. This email is long (sorry); fortunately there are many blank lines. . . Thierry Banel tbanelweb...@free.fr writes: If not, maybe it would be better to keep the oriGiNaL cASe. Yeah, fixed. Nicolas Goaziou m...@nicolasgoaziou.fr writes: Rasmus ras...@gmx.us

Re: [O] [patch] extend org-meta-return to keywords

2014-11-23 Thread Rasmus
Hi, Nicolas Goaziou m...@nicolasgoaziou.fr writes: Thierry Banel tbanelweb...@free.fr writes: I'm not sure I understand the /structure/ argument. (Is structure about hiding blocks? Parsing org docs?). Nicolas, you have worked a lot on this topic (org-element, new drawer syntax). May be you

Re: [O] [patch] extend org-meta-return to keywords

2014-11-23 Thread Nicolas Goaziou
Rasmus ras...@gmx.us writes: I see it differently. I see M-RET as a function that magically adds more of what is adjacent to point. Your definition is fuzzy: * Headline [lots of text] -- M-RET here will insert a headline, which is by no mean adjacent to point. I—obviously—think

Re: [O] [patch] extend org-meta-return to keywords

2014-11-23 Thread Nicolas Goaziou
Rasmus ras...@gmx.us writes: I don't find it complicated at all. . . It's DWIM! I understand your DWIM argument. But we're talking about one of the most central keybindings in Org, much like C-c C-c. Except I do not consider C-c C-c as a usability model. Also, C-c C-c is not really dedicated

Re: [O] [patch] extend org-meta-return to keywords

2014-11-23 Thread Rasmus
Hi, Nicolas Goaziou m...@nicolasgoaziou.fr writes: I—obviously—think what I propose is better than what we have now. Let's go through the current functionality. In this case I value simplicity over complexity (or smartness, whatever you call it). Anyone, including newcomers, should be able

Re: [O] [patch] extend org-meta-return to keywords

2014-11-23 Thread Nicolas Goaziou
Rasmus ras...@gmx.us writes: Newcomers ain't stupid. I never said that. However, here is an historical data point. SCHEDULED, DEADLINE and CLOSED keywords, aka planning info, are not included as properties in properties drawer so newcomers do not encounter invisible contents for such basic

Re: [O] [patch] extend org-meta-return to keywords

2014-11-23 Thread Rasmus
Hi, Nicolas Goaziou m...@nicolasgoaziou.fr writes: Still, I think overload M-RET is more intuitive, Intuitiveness is in the eye of the beholder... Clearly. Maybe some users will not find intuitive that M-RET usually inserts a headline... unless it is in a plain list, in which case it

Re: [O] [patch] extend org-meta-return to keywords

2014-11-22 Thread Nicolas Goaziou
Hello, Rasmus ras...@gmx.us writes: Attached is a new version of the patch that will respect the variables that also govern `org-insert-headline'. It's smarter and preserves the layout better. Thanks for the patch. However there are already mechanisms to complete keywords faster (e.g.,

Re: [O] [patch] extend org-meta-return to keywords

2014-11-22 Thread Rasmus Pank Roulund
Hi, Thanks for the comments. Nicolas Goaziou m...@nicolasgoaziou.fr writes: Rasmus ras...@gmx.us writes: Attached is a new version of the patch that will respect the variables that also govern `org-insert-headline'. It's smarter and preserves the layout better. Thanks for the patch.

Re: [O] [patch] extend org-meta-return to keywords

2014-11-22 Thread Rasmus
Hi, First, Thierry, I think this patch fixes the second misbehavior you observed. Nicolas Goaziou m...@nicolasgoaziou.fr writes: I looked through your comments and as always they made the patch much better! Thanks! Moreover, it can get in the way of expected M-RET behaviour, as in the

Re: [O] [patch] extend org-meta-return to keywords

2014-11-22 Thread Thierry Banel
Le 22/11/2014 20:26, Rasmus a écrit : Hi, First, Thierry, I think this patch fixes the second misbehavior you observed. Fixed! I was wondering, is there any reason why the new inserted keyword is UPPERCASED? If not, maybe it would be better to keep the oriGiNaL cASe.

Re: [O] [patch] extend org-meta-return to keywords

2014-11-22 Thread Nicolas Goaziou
Rasmus ras...@gmx.us writes: Moreover, it can get in the way of expected M-RET behaviour, as in the following example - item | #+caption: test untenrsiu I don't know if I should do something about this case. I guess it would be possible, but I find it awkward when behavior