Re: [O] [patch] extend org-meta-return to keywords

Rasmus writes: > From my point of view, we can make every function tied to M-RET beyond > `org-insert-headline' configurable and turned off by default. This may, > however, also add confusion ("why did M-RET work in X's Org but not in > mine..."). In this case, S-RET is a superior (as in less c

Re: [O] [patch] extend org-meta-return to keywords

Hi, Nicolas Goaziou writes: >> Still, I think overload M-RET is more intuitive, > > "Intuitiveness" is in the eye of the beholder... Clearly. > Maybe some users will not find intuitive that M-RET usually inserts a > headline... unless it is in a plain list, in which case it inserts an > item.

Re: [O] [patch] extend org-meta-return to keywords

Rasmus writes: > "Newcomers" ain't stupid. I never said that. However, here is an historical data point. SCHEDULED, DEADLINE and CLOSED keywords, aka planning info, are not included as properties in properties drawer so newcomers do not encounter invisible contents for such basic tasks. This i

Re: [O] [patch] extend org-meta-return to keywords

Hi, Nicolas Goaziou writes: >> I—obviously—think what I propose is better than what we have now. Let's >> go through the current functionality. > > In this case I value simplicity over complexity (or "smartness", > whatever you call it). Anyone, including newcomers, should be able to > use M-RE

Re: [O] [patch] extend org-meta-return to keywords

Rasmus writes: > I don't find it complicated at all. . . It's DWIM! I understand your DWIM argument. But we're talking about one of the most central keybindings in Org, much like C-c C-c. Except I do not consider C-c C-c as a usability model. Also, C-c C-c is not really dedicated to headlines.

Re: [O] [patch] extend org-meta-return to keywords

Rasmus writes: > I see it differently. I see M-RET as a function that "magically" adds > more of what is adjacent to point. Your "definition" is fuzzy: * Headline [lots of text] <-- M-RET here will insert a headline, which is by no mean adjacent to point. > I—obviously—think what I

Re: [O] [patch] extend org-meta-return to keywords

Hi, Nicolas Goaziou writes: > Thierry Banel writes: > >> I'm not sure I understand the /structure/ argument. (Is structure >> about hiding blocks? Parsing org docs?). >> >> Nicolas, you have worked a lot on this topic (org-element, new drawer >>syntax). May be you could elaborate on this. > > M

Re: [O] [patch] extend org-meta-return to keywords

Hi, Thanks for the comments. This email is long (sorry); fortunately there are many blank lines. . . Thierry Banel writes: > If not, maybe it would be better to keep the oriGiNaL cASe. Yeah, fixed. Nicolas Goaziou writes: > Rasmus writes: > >>> Moreover, it can get in the way of expected M

Re: [O] [patch] extend org-meta-return to keywords

Hello, Thierry Banel writes: > I'm not sure I understand the /structure/ argument. (Is structure > about hiding blocks? Parsing org docs?). > > Nicolas, you have worked a lot on this topic (org-element, new drawer >syntax). May be you could elaborate on this. M-RET, C-RET are the major mean to

Re: [O] [patch] extend org-meta-return to keywords

Le 23/11/2014 00:20, Nicolas Goaziou a écrit : > M-RET, is, first and foremost, an important keybinding for editing the > /structure/ of the document. The behaviour you want to add has nothing > to do with structure. I guess this is the main decision point about Rasmus's proposal. I'm not sure I

Re: [O] [patch] extend org-meta-return to keywords

Rasmus writes: >> Moreover, it can get in the way of expected M-RET behaviour, as in the >> following example >> >> - item >> >> | #+caption: test >> untenrsiu > > I don't know if I should do something about this case. I guess it would > be possible, but I find it awkward when behavior $

Re: [O] [patch] extend org-meta-return to keywords

Le 22/11/2014 20:26, Rasmus a écrit : > Hi, > > First, Thierry, I think this patch fixes the second misbehavior you > observed. Fixed! I was wondering, is there any reason why the new inserted keyword is UPPERCASED? If not, maybe it would be better to keep the oriGiNaL cASe.

Re: [O] [patch] extend org-meta-return to keywords

Hi, First, Thierry, I think this patch fixes the second misbehavior you observed. Nicolas Goaziou writes: I looked through your comments and as always they made the patch much better! Thanks! > Moreover, it can get in the way of expected M-RET behaviour, as in the > following example > > -

Re: [O] [patch] extend org-meta-return to keywords

Hi, Thanks for the comments. Nicolas Goaziou writes: > Rasmus writes: > >> Attached is a new version of the patch that will respect the variables >> that also govern `org-insert-headline'. It's smarter and preserves the >> layout better. > > Thanks for the patch. However there are already mec

Re: [O] [patch] extend org-meta-return to keywords

Hello, Rasmus writes: > Attached is a new version of the patch that will respect the variables > that also govern `org-insert-headline'. It's smarter and preserves the > layout better. Thanks for the patch. However there are already mechanisms to complete keywords faster (e.g., M-TAB, yasnippe