Re: [Emc-developers] LinuxCNC is in Debian!

2022-03-01 Thread Jérémie Tarot
Le mar. 1 mars 2022 à 18:17, andy pugh a écrit : > > I am generally in favour of anything that makes LinuxCNC easier to use > and more broadly applicable. > So, I support bundling-in EtherCAT support, as long as we can be sure > that nobody will be pointing their lawyers in our direction. > 100

Re: [Emc-developers] LinuxCNC is in Debian!

2022-03-01 Thread Jérémie Tarot
Le mar. 1 mars 2022 à 02:31, Chad Woitas a écrit : > > Exploring a few other options as well for Ethercat. > What about those Raspberry Pi EtherCAT HAT and Arduino EtherCAT shields? ___ Emc-developers mailing list Emc-developers@lists.sourceforge.net

Re: [Emc-developers] LinuxCNC is in Debian!

2022-03-01 Thread Michael Graichen
c Wang Datum: 01.03.22 17:57 (GMT+01:00) An: EMC developers Betreff: Re: [Emc-developers] LinuxCNC is in Debian! Hi, FYI, I got interested in the conversation and ended up finding this repository on GitHub: https://github.com/OpenEtherCATsociety/SOEM The code for the master is releas

Re: [Emc-developers] LinuxCNC is in Debian!

2022-03-01 Thread andy pugh
On Tue, 1 Mar 2022 at 13:56, Steffen Möller wrote: > *My personal anchors to the community are Seb, Jeff and Andy. I suggest > that Rod sends whatever we come up with (if we come up with anything) > directly, but I would like to first have a positive vote by one of them > and "don't care"s or bet

Re: [Emc-developers] LinuxCNC is in Debian!

2022-03-01 Thread Marc Wang
1, 2022 7:42 AM To: EMC developers Subject: Re: [Emc-developers] LinuxCNC is in Debian! > From my understanding Beckhoff is very open regarding the master (who >even does not need a special hardware, when driven by an RTOS) and are >very restrictive when it comes to the slave (whe

Re: [Emc-developers] LinuxCNC is in Debian!

2022-03-01 Thread Rod Webster
> From my understanding Beckhoff is very open regarding the master (who > even does not need a special hardware, > when driven by an RTOS) and are very restrictive when it comes to the >slave (where a ASIC / FPGA is needed in any case) This was also my understanding when I read the licensing requi

Re: [Emc-developers] LinuxCNC is in Debian!

2022-03-01 Thread Steffen Möller
On 01.03.22 10:59, Les Newell wrote: So once you've bought the controller, there is no other restriction. As far as I can tell from their docs, that is the case. It's a pretty sound business model. I assume that royalty is 2x per axis, once for each end of the cable. From what I can tell,

Re: [Emc-developers] LinuxCNC is in Debian!

2022-03-01 Thread gene heskett
On Tuesday, March 1, 2022 5:29:51 AM EST Rainer Stelzer wrote: > Hi Gene, > > > So once you've bought the controller, there is no other restriction. > > And I assume that royalty is 2x per axis, once for each end of the > > cable. > No, they don't charge twice. > Part of marketing a Fieldbus-Syste

Re: [Emc-developers] LinuxCNC is in Debian!

2022-03-01 Thread Rainer Stelzer
Hi Gene, So once you've bought the controller, there is no other restriction. And I assume that royalty is 2x per axis, once for each end of the cable. No, they don't charge twice. Part of marketing a Fieldbus-System is to make it widely accepted in the industry, so Beckhoff (and others like S

Re: [Emc-developers] LinuxCNC is in Debian!

2022-03-01 Thread Les Newell
So once you've bought the controller, there is no other restriction. As far as I can tell from their docs, that is the case. It's a pretty sound business model. I assume that royalty is 2x per axis, once for each end of the cable. From what I can tell, it would be one royalty per axis.

Re: [Emc-developers] LinuxCNC is in Debian!

2022-03-01 Thread gene heskett
On Tuesday, March 1, 2022 4:27:21 AM EST Les Newell wrote: > > I was not specificaly seeking the monetary cost, more the loss of > > rights, which could be far more costly than the monetary cost. As > > always, keep TANSTAAFL in mind. > > As far as Beckhoff are concerned this isn't a free lunch. S

Re: [Emc-developers] LinuxCNC is in Debian!

2022-03-01 Thread Les Newell
I was not specificaly seeking the monetary cost, more the loss of rights, which could be far more costly than the monetary cost. As always, keep TANSTAAFL in mind. As far as Beckhoff are concerned this isn't a free lunch. Similar to Mesa they make their money on the hardware. Supporting the

Re: [Emc-developers] LinuxCNC is in Debian!

2022-02-28 Thread Rod Webster
t; From: Bernt Hustad Hembre > Sent: February 28, 2022 2:40 PM > To: EMC developers > Subject: Re: [Emc-developers] LinuxCNC is in Debian! > > Hi all, > > I have not used EtherCAT equipment with LinuxCNC. But I’ve used a Beckhoff > PLC running TC/BSD and TwinCAT. Controlli

Re: [Emc-developers] LinuxCNC is in Debian!

2022-02-28 Thread Chad Woitas
developers Subject: Re: [Emc-developers] LinuxCNC is in Debian! Hi all, I have not used EtherCAT equipment with LinuxCNC. But I’ve used a Beckhoff PLC running TC/BSD and TwinCAT. Controlling a whole lot of servomotors. The equipment from Beckhoff is priced quite a bit over the hobbyist budget. B

Re: [Emc-developers] LinuxCNC is in Debian!

2022-02-28 Thread Bernt Hustad Hembre
Hi all, I have not used EtherCAT equipment with LinuxCNC. But I’ve used a Beckhoff PLC running TC/BSD and TwinCAT. Controlling a whole lot of servomotors. The equipment from Beckhoff is priced quite a bit over the hobbyist budget. But is well worth the money for commercial application. And the w

Re: [Emc-developers] LinuxCNC is in Debian!

2022-02-28 Thread gene heskett
On Monday, February 28, 2022 2:03:30 PM EST Steffen Möller wrote: > On 28.02.22 19:44, gene heskett wrote: > > On Monday, February 28, 2022 12:53:21 PM EST Steffen Möller wrote: > >> On 28.02.22 18:40, gene heskett wrote: > >>> On Monday, February 28, 2022 8:28:36 AM EST andy pugh wrote: > On

Re: [Emc-developers] LinuxCNC is in Debian!

2022-02-28 Thread Steffen Möller
On 28.02.22 19:44, gene heskett wrote: On Monday, February 28, 2022 12:53:21 PM EST Steffen Möller wrote: On 28.02.22 18:40, gene heskett wrote: On Monday, February 28, 2022 8:28:36 AM EST andy pugh wrote: On Mon, 28 Feb 2022 at 13:22, Steffen Möller wrote: ie, "rtapi" is relevant to uspace

Re: [Emc-developers] LinuxCNC is in Debian!

2022-02-28 Thread gene heskett
On Monday, February 28, 2022 12:53:21 PM EST Steffen Möller wrote: > On 28.02.22 18:40, gene heskett wrote: > > On Monday, February 28, 2022 8:28:36 AM EST andy pugh wrote: > >> On Mon, 28 Feb 2022 at 13:22, Steffen Möller > > > > wrote: > ie, "rtapi" is relevant to uspace and rt builds. > >>

Re: [Emc-developers] LinuxCNC is in Debian!

2022-02-28 Thread Steffen Möller
On 28.02.22 18:40, gene heskett wrote: On Monday, February 28, 2022 8:28:36 AM EST andy pugh wrote: On Mon, 28 Feb 2022 at 13:22, Steffen Möller wrote: ie, "rtapi" is relevant to uspace and rt builds. Can you guide me (or someone else surfacing) towards what would be required to have LinuxCN

Re: [Emc-developers] LinuxCNC is in Debian!

2022-02-28 Thread gene heskett
On Monday, February 28, 2022 8:28:36 AM EST andy pugh wrote: > On Mon, 28 Feb 2022 at 13:22, Steffen Möller wrote: > > > ie, "rtapi" is relevant to uspace and rt builds. > > > > Can you guide me (or someone else surfacing) towards what would be > > required to have LinuxCNC readily compatible wi

Re: [Emc-developers] LinuxCNC is in Debian!

2022-02-28 Thread Steffen Möller
On 28.02.22 14:28, andy pugh wrote: On Mon, 28 Feb 2022 at 13:22, Steffen Möller wrote: ie, "rtapi" is relevant to uspace and rt builds. Can you guide me (or someone else surfacing) towards what would be required to have LinuxCNC readily compatible with that external EtherCAT package on Debi

Re: [Emc-developers] LinuxCNC is in Debian!

2022-02-28 Thread andy pugh
On Mon, 28 Feb 2022 at 13:22, Steffen Möller wrote: > > ie, "rtapi" is relevant to uspace and rt builds. > > Can you guide me (or someone else surfacing) towards what would be > required to have LinuxCNC readily compatible with that external EtherCAT > package on Debian? Personally I know nothin

Re: [Emc-developers] LinuxCNC is in Debian!

2022-02-28 Thread Steffen Möller
On 28.02.22 13:44, andy pugh wrote: On Mon, 28 Feb 2022 at 12:20, Steffen Möller wrote: +rtapi_timespec_advance(task->nextstart, task->nextstart, task->period + task->pll_correction); which patches LinuxCNC's src/rtapi/rtapi.h and I have no idea if we can just ignore this for our uspace

Re: [Emc-developers] LinuxCNC is in Debian!

2022-02-28 Thread andy pugh
On Mon, 28 Feb 2022 at 12:20, Steffen Möller wrote: > +rtapi_timespec_advance(task->nextstart, task->nextstart, > task->period + task->pll_correction); > > which patches LinuxCNC's src/rtapi/rtapi.h and I have no idea if we can > just ignore this for our uspace setup on Debian It sounds like

Re: [Emc-developers] LinuxCNC is in Debian!

2022-02-28 Thread Steffen Möller
Rod, Thank you tons for these pointers. This is a nice examples for a) and b) of my motivation coming togther. I'd love to see EtherCAT properly hooked up with LinuxCNC (I actually thought this was the case already) and I happily help to get there. The problem: I am not competent to make any dec

Re: [Emc-developers] LinuxCNC is in Debian!

2022-02-27 Thread Rod Webster
Stefan, One area that could reduce dependency on Mesa hardware would be to bring Ethercat into the Debian repos. We mention it is being supported in our shiny new repository entry but it's not and it's difficult to install on newer distros. There is an ethercat driver for linuxcnc here: See: https:

Re: [Emc-developers] LinuxCNC is in Debian!

2022-02-27 Thread Steffen Möller
I have asked this myself. Why did I want this to happen - and I think the answer is two-fold: a) community-forming - not necessarily I am after contributors to LinuxCNC but I see the extra stimulus to package other CNC-related software for Debian from which then LinuxCNC benefits b) less stress

Re: [Emc-developers] LinuxCNC is in Debian!

2022-02-27 Thread Sam Sokolik
This is amazing... This will make Linuxcnc even easier to access.. Game changer? Maybe! sam On Sun, Feb 27, 2022 at 1:32 PM Nicklas SB Karlsson wrote: > Metoo use debian. Great! > > On Sun, 27 Feb 2022 11:36:37 -0700 > Sebastian Kuzminsky wrote: > > > On 2/27/22 04:00, Debian FTP Masters

Re: [Emc-developers] LinuxCNC is in Debian!

2022-02-27 Thread Nicklas SB Karlsson
Metoo use debian. Great! On Sun, 27 Feb 2022 11:36:37 -0700 Sebastian Kuzminsky wrote: > On 2/27/22 04:00, Debian FTP Masters wrote: > > Accepted: > > > > Format: 1.8 > > Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2022 18:40:12 +0100 > > Source: linuxcnc > > Binary: linuxcnc-doc-en linuxcnc-doc-es linuxcnc-doc-fr linu

Re: [Emc-developers] LinuxCNC is in Debian!

2022-02-27 Thread Valerio Bellizzomi
Great work ! On Sun, 2022-02-27 at 11:36 -0700, Sebastian Kuzminsky wrote: > On 2/27/22 04:00, Debian FTP Masters wrote: > > Accepted: > > > > Format: 1.8 > > Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2022 18:40:12 +0100 > > Source: linuxcnc > > Binary: linuxcnc-doc-en linuxcnc-doc-es linuxcnc-doc-fr linuxcnc- > > doc-