The website recommended I think by Jacob earlier at www.effingpot.com is
excellent. I had no idea there were so many peculiar 'Bringlish' words and
phrases, and I'm speaking as a Brit.
Recommended reading for all, very entertaining and good for Anglo-American
relations!
Ed, thanks for the
For those of you who received the e-card a few days ago on this network, a
news article has been posted on MSNBC that explains the problem. If you are
interested here is the link.
http://www.msnbc.com/news/826033.asp?0na=x22149Z1-
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Richard -
Which edition are you referring to? 2.2.1 in EN60950-1 and
EN60950, 3rd ed., addresses general requirements for SELV
circuits. In these standards, there is also no
2.9.4.anything.
I'll assume for now that it's 2nd ed., through the 4th
amendment.
2.9.4.2 refers to thin sheet
We'll have to make you an honorary Canuck Peter.don't forget ...it's
pronounced Zed not Zee.
Cheers and regards,
Kaz
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From: Peter L. Tarver [mailto:peter.tar...@sanmina-sci.com]
Sent: Friday, October 25, 2002 3:33 PM
To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
Subject: RE:
-Original Message-
From: Pettit, Ghery [mailto:ghery.pet...@intel.com]
Sent: Friday, October 25, 2002 12:35 PM
To: 'Jacob Schanker'; Bill Flanigan; emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
Subject: RE: definitions?
Or we could simply do as a friend of mine does and refer to dB(dollar).
What's
Bill -
This is not quite correct. Reinforced Insulation may also
be a single piece of insulation (I do note you used may).
There's no definition, per se, of multiple layers, except
for the case of thin sheet material.
Regards,
Peter L. Tarver, PE
Product Safety Manager
Sanmina-SCI
They've been listening to too much Max Webster, Eh.
I think they need a little Moosehead and a beaver tail.
Peter L. Tarver
peter.tar...@sanmina-sci.com
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From: kazimier_gawrzy...@dell.com
What's that all aboot?
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I read in !emc-pstc that Ken Javor ken.ja...@emccompliance.com wrote
(in 0h4j00egvta...@mtaout03.icomcast.net) about 'definitions?' on Fri,
25 Oct 2002:
Excellent point. Don't the Brits refer to 1,000,000,000 as a milliard, or
is that continental usage only?
Continental. Forget the old
I read in !emc-pstc that Gert Gremmen g.grem...@cetest.nl wrote (in
oleokfnbajjejfkplbbmgeidceaa.g.grem...@cetest.nl) about '60601-1-2' on
Fri, 25 Oct 2002:
No it has not been harmonised yet.
Being an EN, it is, ipso facto, harmonized in all the EU countries. It
has not been **notified** yet.
For a manufacturer located in the USA, and for equipment that has
certifications from UL and TUV Rheinland, what is the recommended method
(i.e., least time, effort and money) to obtain GOST certification?
Richard Woods
Sensormatic Electronics
Tyco International
I read in !emc-pstc that Peter L. Tarver peter.tar...@sanmina-sci.com
wrote (in nebbkemlgllmjofmopleoengeaaa.peter.tar...@sanmina-sci.com)
about 'IECEE Decision 1D107' on Fri, 25 Oct 2002:
Please keep in mind this is not a secret requirement for a
product's construction or testing, as this would
Or we could simply do as a friend of mine does and refer to dB(dollar).
What's that 10 meter chamber cost? About 126 dB(dollar). ;)
Ghery
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From: Jacob Schanker [mailto:schan...@frontiernet.net]
Sent: Friday, October 25, 2002 12:02 PM
To: Bill Flanigan;
I heard tell of a bloke who came to visit his friend and his friend's wife
on this side of the pond. On the way to the hotel from the airport, his
friend said that he had to work the next day, but he should come over and go
for a drive with his wife. The bloke's reply was, Okay, Sara, I'll
Bill is corrrect, of course, in pointing out this potential source of
confusion. Perhaps it explains why the UK has a hard time matching US
expenditures - they have to spend 1000 times more to match US billion for
billion.
Actually, I often hear Europeans use the term thousand million to mean
I read in !emc-pstc that Pettit, Ghery ghery.pet...@intel.com wrote
(in d9223eb959a5d511a98f00508b68c20c12515...@orsmsx108.jf.intel.com)
about 'English vs. American - very off topic, but in line with curre nt
thread Re: Definition ?' on Fri, 25 Oct 2002:
Not to mention the lack of agreement on
Hi Dave,
I've had this type of discussion at a previous telco company and
the only explanation I ever received regarded ground potential
differences between equipment through the mains (as we have
discussed in a previous thread).
And I always seemed to win by saying that if everything was
I have heard these things referred to as a buttinski (butt-in--ski) on this
side of the pond.
Don Borowski
Schweitzer Engineering Labs
Pullman, Washington
Juhasz, John (IndSys, GE Interlogix) john.juh...@ge.com on 10/25/2002
09:52:41 AM
Please respond to Juhasz, John (IndSys, GE
What's that all aboot?
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From: Jason Greenwood [mailto:jagre...@cisco.com]
Sent: Friday, October 25, 2002 1:01 PM
To: douglas_beckw...@mitel.com; John Woodgate
Cc: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
Subject: RE: English vs. American - very off topic, but in line with
current
Milliard (F/Nrw/Dan.) or miljard (Sw.) stands for Billion.
--- Ken Javor ken.ja...@emccompliance.com wrote:
Excellent point. Don't the Brits refer to 1,000,000,000 as a milliard, or
is that continental usage only?
--
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Best Regards
Hans Mellberg
Regulatory Compliance EMC
Eh?
John Woodgate j...@jmwa.demon.co.uk@majordomo.ieee.org on 10/25/2002
11:01:45 AM
Please respond to John Woodgate j...@jmwa.demon.co.uk
Sent by: owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
cc:
Subject: Re: English vs. American - very off topic, but in line
John -
Please keep in mind this is not a secret requirement for a
product's construction or testing, as this would violate the
operational premise of the CB Scheme. No additional testing
required, no additional construction requirements applied,
just issuance of revenue generating reports and
Excellent point. Don't the Brits refer to 1,000,000,000 as a milliard, or
is that continental usage only?
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From: Bill Flanigan bflani...@ameritherm.com
To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
Subject: Re: definitions?
Date: Fri, Oct 25, 2002, 11:48 AM
These definitions could be a
Ted,
I think that what you meant to say was Strangler than Diction!
G - VA
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From: owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
[mailto:owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org]On Behalf Of Ted Rook
Sent: Friday, October 25, 2002 11:15 AM
To:
Subject: Re: Definition ? Brit response from
For those telecom folks out there, how about the word 'butt' - the British
term for test-set.
The first time I heard it, a colleague from the UK office was helping
me with a telephone interface problem. He asked me, Did you
put 48V across your butt?
I said, Excuse me?
John A. Juhasz
GE
A reinforced insulation system by definition may be multiple layers if it is
all the same insulating material. Two different insulating materials must be
evaluated as double insulation = one of the materials must meet the
requirements for basic insulation, the other material must meet the
These definitions could be a problem(dictionary.com)
bil·lion n.
1.) The cardinal number equal to 109.
2.) Chiefly British. The cardinal number equal to 1012.
3.) An indefinitely large number.
WmFlanigan
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Hello Bob,
Point to :
http://europa.eu.int/comm/enterprise/newapproach/standardization/harmstds/reflist/meddevic.html
Regards,
Véronique
rehel...@mmm.com wrote:
Has the version EN 60601-1-2 : 2002 been published in the OJ yet? Or is the
1993 version still the latest? Can someone point me
Hi Bob,
The required list you can find on :
http://europa.eu.int/comm/enterprise/newapproach/standardization/harmstds/re
flist/meddevic.html
No it has not been harmonised yet.
Gert Gremmen
ce-test,qualified testing
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From: owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
Not to mention the lack of agreement on how to spell certain words that are
used on both sides. Color vs. colour, for example. What's with these extra
letters, anyway? Got an uncle in the ink business? ;-)
-Original Message-
From: John Woodgate [mailto:j...@jmwa.demon.co.uk]
Sent:
And keep the blue side up in normal operations!
-Original Message-
From: jestuckey [mailto:jestuc...@micron.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 11:04 AM
To: 'Chris Maxwell'; 'emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org'
Subject: RE: Definition ?
And above the undercarriage of the kite.. as
I investigated the phenomenon of capacitor damage by transients and found
caps to be very resistant to damage from short duration, especially high
source impedance (50 Ohm) spikes. There is a complete write up entitled,
Investigation Into the Effects of Microsecond Power Line Transients on
Agree, in another lifetime of car tinkering never heard of a strangler under
the bonnet !.
John Woodgate j...@jmwa.demon.co.uk 25-Oct-02 9:01:29 AM
I read in !emc-pstc that Colgan, Chris chris.col...@tagmclaren.com
wrote (in AE0F4BD08FEAD211895900805FE67B1F01425AAD@CAT) about
'Definition
I read in !emc-pstc that Peter L. Tarver peter.tar...@sanmina-sci.com
wrote (in nebbkemlgllmjofmoplecemneaaa.peter.tar...@sanmina-sci.com)
about 'IECEE Decision 1D107' on Fri, 25 Oct 2002:
I have just been advised by an NCB that I can not obtain a
single CB Scheme Certificate and Test Report for
I read in !emc-pstc that Jacob Schanker schan...@frontiernet.net wrote
(in 001301c27c1f$b550d880$6401a8c0@net1) about 'English vs. American -
very off topic, but in line with current thread Re: Definition ?' on
Fri, 25 Oct 2002:
Back in March 2000, I wrote the following piece for The Rochester
from a Brit in response to Jacob Schanker:
A good, read :D
My family always knew waterproof rubber footwear as Wellington Boots. The
English vernacular being Where are my Wellies?. This variety extends to just
below the knee and are the standard footwear for outdoor workers.
This contrasts
I once read a British technical manual on engines. While discussing a
paraffin carburetor, it mentioned that in order to start the engine it
must be strangled severely.
Robert
-Original Message-
From: Colgan, Chris [mailto:chris.col...@tagmclaren.com]
Sent: Friday, October 25,
I read in !emc-pstc that Chris Chileshe chris.chile...@ultronics.com
wrote (in 01c27c25.d813b6c0.chris.chile...@ultronics.com) about
'Baffled by EFT test results (EN61000-4-4)' on Fri, 25 Oct 2002:
This is probably the first time I have seen anything get through transients
testing without any
Interesting question.
Perhaps it arises from the settlement of America beginning in the sixteenth
century followed by parallel but independent language evolution ?
We have numerous everyday examples of languages evolving very fast in response
to new situations, unless you are a French
This is an interesting Friday morning diversion.
On the bottom of most US auto down draft carburetors is a
throttle plate, that has a throttle shaft run
transversely through it with a butterfly valve for each
barrel. The term butterfly has also been applied to the
choke leaf. A side draft
Consider the insulation construction for an external interconecting cable
connected to secondary hazardous circuits of ITE (EN60950). Is it
permissible for the reinforced insulation to be constructed of two layers
(e.g., conductor insulation plus external jacket) if the total thickness is
at
Gentlepersons:
I have just been advised by an NCB that I can not obtain a
single CB Scheme Certificate and Test Report for a product
that has both ac and dc electrical ratings. This is
supposedly based on IECEE Decision 1D107. I asked for a
copy of this document and was advised that a copy
Has the version EN 60601-1-2 : 2002 been published in the OJ yet? Or is the
1993 version still the latest? Can someone point me to the web for the
latest harmonized standards list to the Medical Device Directive?
Thanks,
Bob Heller
3M Product Safety, 76-1-01
St. Paul, MN 55107-1208
Tel: 651-
Chris asks:
In a quick paragraph, would you provide your opinion on the value of a
Non-NRTL Listing Certification.
Hard to talk about value in such general terms, when the neither the product
nor the application is known. However, a few reactions come to mind:
1. UL was a non-NRTL
Hello Again Group,
There are several documents available from OSHA's site. Attached is another pdf
from OSHA dated 1993 to show more history of OSHA requirements/laws...
This letter defines the term approved which is used in several 29CRF
documents and also used in the NEC. Again, OSHA
I read in !emc-pstc that Colgan, Chris chris.col...@tagmclaren.com
wrote (in AE0F4BD08FEAD211895900805FE67B1F01425AAD@CAT) about
'Definition ?' on Fri, 25 Oct 2002:
In nearly 30 years of fiddling around with motorbikes engines, racing cars
and more recently learning about aircraft piston engines
We are working some responses to OSHA and would like to ask for some industry
response from the Product Safety group (EMC welcome to respond too).
Just looking for a quick statement on the Value of using a Non-NRTL firm for
testing and/or certification (Listing).
Statement: Non-NRTL
Back in March 2000, I wrote the following piece for The Rochester Engineer
magazine. I think it fits in nicely with the current Definition ? thread
contrasting English English with American English.
Regards,
Jacob Z. Schanker, P.E.
65 Crandon Way
Rochester, NY 14618
Tel: 585 442 3909
Fax: 585
Hi Group,
So I went ahead and built a test PCB with my inductors and ferrites in PI
filter formation with capacitors - just like I threatened to do a few months
ago ( e-mail subject header Designing for low power radiated and conducted
immunity describing a small 3-wire low power DC pressure
I'm used to be taken aback when someone said, excuse me - I now realise
that they love hearing English spoken as it is write. G
An Englishmen in VA.
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From: owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
[mailto:owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org]On Behalf Of Ted Rook
Sent:
One that I especially like is the name for that little butterfly valve in a
carburetor; we call it a choke, but the British call it a strangler.
In nearly 30 years of fiddling around with motorbikes engines, racing cars
and more recently learning about aircraft piston engines for my private
I read in !emc-pstc that Price, Ed ed.pr...@cubic.com wrote (in
b78135310217d511907c0090273f5190d0b...@curly.ds.cubic.com) about
'Definition ?' on Thu, 24 Oct 2002:
There seems to be more than a few instances of odd differences in British
and American technical terms. One that I especially like
I read in !emc-pstc that Grasso, Charles charles.gra...@echostar.com
wrote (in 70B321FEC75C704A846DEE3D856ACB1108418437@riv-
exch2.echostar.com) about 'Definition ?' on Thu, 24 Oct 2002:
And don't forget to put on your plimsols
Now archaic.
when you want to jog, take
a bumbershoot
Now
There seems to be more than a few instances of odd differences in British
and American technical terms. One that I especially like is the name for
that little butterfly valve in a carburetor; we call it a choke, but the
British call it a strangler.
The odd thing is that the American preference
On Thu, 24 Oct 2002 23:56:41 +0800,
kohscp koh...@singnet.com.sg wrote:
Under the DENAN law of Japan, PSE mark within a diamond box is mandatory for
AC power adapter.
For foreign manufacturer power adaptor, the Importer's name must be on the
product.
We've been shipping the AC power
It is difficult to generalize without knowing more of the specifics such as
logic family, clock rate, edge rate, trace impedance, etc. but I'll try. ;)
scott@jci.com wrote:
All,
I have a question regarding trace routing for high-speed clock signals.
I have one driver, and two
And don't forget to put on your plimsols when you want to jog, take
a bumbershoot in case it rains and wrap your thanks giving turkey in
aluminium...
Best Regards
Charles Grasso
Senior Compliance Engineer
Echostar Communications Corp.
Tel: 303-706-5467
Fax: 303-799-6222
Cell: 303-204-2974
I read in !emc-pstc that Ted Rook t...@crestaudio.com wrote (in
sdb8192b@peavey.com) about 'Definition ?' on Thu, 24 Oct 2002:
gearstick
gearlever
--
Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only. http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk
Interested in professional sound reinforcement and
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