Re: [PSES] SCCR Rating Question

2024-05-15 Thread MIKE SHERMAN
Brian —   I am equally mystified by qualifying an SCCR with a voltage. Perhaps you could network into a friendly UL 408a panel shop and see what they say.  Mike Sherman  Sherman PSC LLC On 05/15/2024 9:05 AM -05 Brian

Re: [PSES] DoC - reference to ROHS directive

2024-04-21 Thread MIKE SHERMAN
What I've seen is language like "2011/65/EU RoHS directive with amendment 2015/863/EU" or "2011/65/EU RoHS directive as amended by 2015/863/EU" The 2015 amendment adds four substances to the original six, so you should mention both it and the 2011 directive. Mike She

Re: [PSES] Red and Green lights on machinery

2024-03-06 Thread MIKE SHERMAN
recollection, lights that are prompts for users are coded blue, that adding yet another color would likely complicate your design at little benefit. Mike Sherman Sherman PSC LLC > On 03/06/2024 10:10 AM CST Brian Kunde wrote: > > > > Greetings to all. > > We are work

Re: [PSES] Very Small Product; Many Certification Marks

2023-11-15 Thread MIKE SHERMAN
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Re: [PSES] AI & Regulatory Compliance

2023-10-07 Thread MIKE SHERMAN
its Whereas clause 12 for some background, as I recall. Would LOVE to see presentations on this at ISPCE.    Mike Sherman  Sherman PSC LLC On 10/06/2023 2:59 PM MST Regan Arndt wrote:     Greetings fellow members

Re: [PSES] UK extends CE mark recognition indefinitely

2023-08-01 Thread MIKE SHERMAN
Very interesting! Thanks for sharing! Has anybody heard any UK thoughts about how the UK will approach the new Machinery Regulation, which replaces the Machinery Directive for CE marking? Mike Sherman Sherman PSC LLC > On 08/01/2023 8:17 AM CDT Lauren Crane > <1afd08519f18-d

Re: [PSES] EU Machinery Regulation official version

2023-07-04 Thread MIKE SHERMAN
Still requires a DoC. Mike Sherman Sherman PSC LLC > On 07/04/2023 11:45 AM CDT Scott Xe wrote: > > > Dear Doug, > > Many thanks for your brief and useful information! I wonder if this > regulation still requires a DoC. > >

Re: [PSES] Foreign Object Detection for industrial charger

2023-06-07 Thread MIKE SHERMAN
have a chance to comment on them, even if you are not officially part of the committee. Mike Sherman Sherman PSC LLC > On 06/07/2023 3:22 AM CDT Boštjan Glavič wrote: > > > > Dear experts, > > > > Is anyone familiar if there exist some requirements for

Re: [PSES] Power cords

2023-05-15 Thread MIKE SHERMAN
subsystem from the ceiling panel to work on that subsystem, so that the entire system would not have to be taken down and restarted. If that seems reasonably foreseeable, you may need additional risk mitigations beyond what you propose. Good to see you at ISPCE, too! Mike Sherman Sherman PSC LLC

Re: [PSES] Rated Mains Operating Voltage Regional Compatibility [General Use]

2023-05-09 Thread MIKE SHERMAN
is the responsibility of the installer and user that the > equipment is connected to a supply that matches the voltage rating declared > by the manufacturer. > > Kind regards, > > Bernd > > -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- > Von: MIKE SHERMAN > Gesendet: Samsta

Re: [PSES] Rated Mains Operating Voltage Regional Compatibility [General Use]

2023-05-06 Thread MIKE SHERMAN
for 230 Vac for the EU market and want to sell it in Australia. Mike Sherman Sherman PSC LLC > On 05/06/2023 4:09 AM CDT Agar, Philip (Leonardo, UK) > <220ac8787b71-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ieee.org> wrote: > > > Please could someone advise me on what standard,

Re: [PSES] EStops

2023-04-20 Thread MIKE SHERMAN
Steve -- I have not read ISO 13850, but it is a key requirement in my mind that ESTOPs are readily accessible to the operator. Mike > On 04/20/2023 3:21 PM sgbrody wrote: > > > Experts, > > Have read through EN ISO 13850 know that an ESTOP can be a button on the > machine, or

Re: [PSES] Are Australia/New Zealand approvals needed for IEC 60320 Appliance Inlet ?

2023-04-18 Thread MIKE SHERMAN
This is subtle. If you’re selling appliance connectors as components in the Au/NZ market, they are likely treated differently than those appliance connectors that are only sold as part of equipment.  Mike Sherman  Sherman PSC LLC On 04/18/2023 11:31 AM Scott

Re: [PSES] Flammability Rating for Plastics V0 vs V1

2023-03-02 Thread MIKE SHERMAN
don't know if polycarbonate is. Lastly, in certain high risk areas (e.g., cleanrooms) insurance companies might have minimum flammability requirements for plastics. So "it depends" applies here! :-) I hope others on this forum can chip in. Mike Sherman Sherman PSC LLC > On

Re: [PSES] EU and UK DoC

2023-03-01 Thread MIKE SHERMAN
Yes, that is what we concluded.  In addition, there is some other terminology that differs between the two that your client might have to deal with.  Mike Sherman PSC LLC On 03/01/2023 1:29 PM 06cee064502d-dmarc-requ

Re: [PSES] Adding more than one EUT

2023-02-17 Thread MIKE SHERMAN
My recollection from the EMC directive is that one is supposed to test the product in a manufacturer’s intended configuration that creates the most emissions.  On 02/17/2023 2:20 PM Lfresearch <00734758d943-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ieee.org> wrote:

Re: [PSES] Exclusion from the RED?

2023-01-25 Thread MIKE SHERMAN
Doug -- I think you're fine as is. The product simply does not use Wifi or BT. Also, do a word search on "software" in RED and you'll find some references to users not being able to take the product out of RED compliance by means of the software available to them. This sounds like it applies

Re: [PSES] Magnetic fields, human exposure standards, and pacemakers

2022-11-03 Thread MIKE SHERMAN
Dan -- I'd suggest that you have your relative call Support at the pacemaker/defib manufacturer. On a slightly different project, I found a lot of on-line information about device immunity, and I think we even called Support and got additional clarifying information. Go to the source! Mike

Re: [PSES] Surge Protection Device required by NEC

2022-11-02 Thread MIKE SHERMAN
” as one that shares a utility transformer with others (think strip mall).  There’s also a “fast transient” test, as I recall. That might be related to lighting strikes, but there are others on this forum who know this better than I.  Mike Sherman  Sherman PSC LLC

Re: [PSES] EU harmonised standard of EN 62368-1 Ed3 : 2020 for General Product Safety Directive

2022-11-02 Thread MIKE SHERMAN
.  We are awaiting further detail about the 4th edition in 2023. Thanks and regards, Scott On Wed, 2 Nov 2022 at 00:56, MIKE SHERMAN <msherma...@comcast.net>

Re: [PSES] EU harmonised standard of EN 62368-1 Ed3 : 2020 for General Product Safety Directive

2022-11-01 Thread MIKE SHERMAN
U to avoid the problems that sunk the 3rd edition as a viable harmonized EN standard. Mike Sherman Sherman PSC LLC > On 11/01/2022 9:45 AM Scott Xe wrote: > > > Dear All, > > On 16 Aug 2022, OJEU listed EN 62368-1 2020 without a deadline of an > enforceme

Re: [PSES] List of Common Misuses

2022-10-05 Thread MIKE SHERMAN
entify in some warnings what not to do where we perceived that to be a foreseeable misuse. Hope this helps! Mike Sherman Sherman PSC LLC > On 10/05/2022 1:01 PM Brian Kunde wrote: > > > My company manufactures Laboratory Equipment such as analyzers and > determinators. They

Re: [PSES] To NRTL or not NRTL, that is the question

2022-10-04 Thread MIKE SHERMAN
a consensus standards approval process. Mike Sherman Sherman PSC LLC > On 10/04/2022 11:48 AM James Pawson (U3C) > wrote: > > > > Hello everyone, > > > > Thank you for all the replies. Some of them confirmed my existing > understanding but t

Re: [PSES] Cybersecurity?

2022-10-03 Thread MIKE SHERMAN
Oh, I just learned something about that: Requirements coming in under Article 3.3 (d) (e) and (f) of RED (Radio Equipment Directive), and effective August 1, 2024. See EU Delegated Regulation 2022/30. Mike Sherman Sherman PSC LLC > On 10/03/2022 3:24 PM Chris Brown > <1ca

Re: [PSES] Cybersecurity?

2022-10-03 Thread MIKE SHERMAN
I was wondering why I was getting emails asking me to participate in cyber surveys! Mike Sherman Sherman PSC LLC > On 10/03/2022 3:09 PM Douglas E Powell wrote: > > > All, > > In the last few months, I've received a number of inquiries from > recru

Re: [PSES] [EXTERNAL] Re: [PSES] To NRTL or not NRTL, that is the question

2022-09-27 Thread MIKE SHERMAN
Many retailers who sell consumer goods will require NRTL marking on electrical goods as part of their purchase contract with you. Mike Sherman Sherman PSC LLC > On 09/27/2022 5:03 PM Knudsen, Patty > <1c82e1717b3f-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ieee.org> wrote: > > >

Re: [PSES] EN62368 HBS - Rationale document or other background source?

2022-07-12 Thread MIKE SHERMAN
Marko -- Take a look at a synopsis of IEC 62368-2. I think this may meet your needs. Mike Sherman Sherman PSC LLC Product Safety Consulting > On 07/12/2022 6:19 PM Marko Radojicic > <052300254e41-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ieee.org> wrote: > > > Hi All, > >

Re: [PSES] NRTL Marks on Industrial Pump Assemblies

2022-07-01 Thread MIKE SHERMAN
if you'd like to discuss more. Mike Sherman Sherman PSC LLC Product Safety Consulting > On 06/30/2022 2:00 PM Brian Kunde wrote: > > > I am confused and frustrated. We have an industrial product that > includes a small water recirculation tank which includes a motor/p

Re: [PSES] NFPA Code Adoption

2022-05-10 Thread MIKE SHERMAN
to see what they know about what you're looking for, and to also get a sense of where the committee is in the revision cycle. Mike Sherman Sherman PSC LLC > On 05/10/2022 11:13 AM Douglas E Powell wrote: > > > All, > > In the past, I've used the NFPA 70 NEC Code

Re: [PSES] UK plug adaptors with fuse?

2022-04-27 Thread MIKE SHERMAN
the past in understanding these requirements. Mike Sherman Sherman PSC LLC > On 04/27/2022 6:46 AM Kim Boll Jensen > <199f0011b1e3-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ieee.org> wrote: > > > Hi > > We have been checking several travel adopters for importers here in EU, >

Re: [PSES] NOM Mexico safety mark annual renewal required?

2022-04-25 Thread MIKE SHERMAN
-001-SOFI-2018 from https://mexicanlaws.com/ and look at Appendix C, which is where I think these modules are described. At least one of the longer term modules required factory inspections. Then talk to your labs to figure out your ROI on the various options. Mike Sherman > On 04/23/202

Re: [PSES] RFID Reader Integration

2022-02-22 Thread MIKE SHERMAN
differently.  Mike Sherman  On 02/22/2022 11:36 AM Brian Kunde wrote: I know nothing about the regulatory requirements of an RFID Reader but I assume it has a transceiver so it is considered an Intentional Radiator

Re: [PSES] Machinery Leakage Current

2022-02-03 Thread MIKE SHERMAN
and thus needed to be tested regularly to ensure continued protection. Mike Sherman > On 02/03/2022 8:23 AM Doug Nix wrote: > > > Hi Mark, > > I’ve seen mains filters used for 400 V 3 ph. 200A services with leakage > currents close to 30 mA. Consider that RCBOs

Re: [PSES] Machinery Leakage Current

2022-02-02 Thread MIKE SHERMAN
quite lower than 3.5 mA. Mike Sherman Retired Product Safety Engineer > On 02/01/2022 12:24 PM Stultz, Mark > <0f79f2e10e47-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ieee.org> wrote: > > > > Hello, > > Is there a hard limit for leakage current for machinery in th

Re: [PSES] [PSES] CE marked products

2022-01-26 Thread MIKE SHERMAN
in a positive way.  Mike Sherman  On 01/26/2022 8:47 AM John E Allen <09cc677f395b-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ieee.org> wrote: Scott   In the UK (don’t know about Eire) the law (UK Plug & Socket Regs 1994 https://www.legislation.gov.uk

Re: [PSES] UL Standards - Old School Spacings

2022-01-25 Thread MIKE SHERMAN
Doug -- Joe Musso, staff engineer at UL, might be worth contacting. About 10 years ago I was is a similar position with what I considered an outdated spacings table in UL 1450. Joe was the staff engineer supporting 1450 at the time. What Joe suggested, and what ended up working out well, was

Re: [PSES] Notice about LVD compliance in a DoC for machinery?

2022-01-17 Thread MIKE SHERMAN
While I pay close attention to the Guide, I am doubtful that going against its guidance to, in effect, over document, is sufficient to invalidate a DoC. I have not ever encountered resistance to listing both MSD and LVD---has anyone on this listserv? Mike Sherman > On 01/17/2022 10:54

Re: [PSES] Notice about LVD compliance in a DoC for machinery?

2022-01-17 Thread MIKE SHERMAN
prefers their own logic over that expressed in the Guide or similar documents. I would just list both MSD and LVD on the DoC. Just be sure your technical file is clear. Mike Sherman Retired Product Safety Engineer > On 01/17/2022 10:40 AM Oliver Betz wrote: > > > Hi all, >

Re: [PSES] machinery that is moving while working, wot CE requirements

2021-12-05 Thread MIKE SHERMAN
Pete -- Machinery Safety Directive Annex I, sections 1 and 3, maybe even 4. Look at the 12 December 2012 Guidance for the MSD for detailed interpretations of what's in and out of scope, and how to apply various EHSRs. Might even be some Type C EN and/or ISO standards. Get a manual on line of a

[PSES] Product Safety Engineer Openings at Graco in Minneapolis

2021-09-01 Thread MIKE SHERMAN
Graco Inc., due to growth and my upcoming retirement, now has two open Product Safety Engineer positions at our Minneapolis office: Product Safety and Compliance Engineer II

Re: [PSES] What percentage of products pass first time?

2021-05-24 Thread MIKE SHERMAN
We have found "pre-screening" EMC testing early in the development cycle to be a good investment. EMC test results can be notoriously hard to predict, even when using EMC-savvy design principles. Extra PCB board spins are cheap in the context of a larger or time critical project. Mi

Re: [PSES] Ground Bond Tests

2021-05-12 Thread MIKE SHERMAN
Rich Nute has 3 Technically Speaking columns on this that can be found at the In Compliance magazine website. The first is here https://incompliancemag.com/article/derivation-of-ground-impedance/ and I find it quite informative. Mike Sherman Graco Inc. > On 05/12/2021 8:01 AM Wise

Re: [PSES] EU Machinery Directive 2006/42/EC for motorized adjustable height table

2021-05-04 Thread MIKE SHERMAN
Scott -- 1. I tend to not list a harmonized standard unless I've applied all of its requirements to my machine. 2. Some of the standards you mention are for EMC, not MD. Mike > On 05/04/2021 9:51 AM Scott Xe wrote: > > > > It applies the harmonised standard EN ISO

Re: [PSES] Schuko CEE 7/7 Plugs for Appliances Sold in Italy?

2021-05-03 Thread MIKE SHERMAN
be a challenge. Mike Sherman Graco Inc. > On 04/29/2021 7:06 PM rwell...@wellman.com wrote: > > > > You can look at: > > > > https://www.power-plugs-sockets.com/ > > > > or > > > > Power plug a

[PSES] Schuko CEE 7/7 Plugs for Appliances Sold in Italy?

2021-04-29 Thread MIKE SHERMAN
Is it legal to appliances in Italy that have Schuko CEE 7/7 plugs? All my Wikipedia research says that this is common. Is there a government regulatory body that can answer this? I could not find an answer on the mise.gov.it website, or a contact to ask. Thanks! Mike Sherman Graco Inc

[PSES] Product Safety Engineer Position--Minneapolis

2021-03-26 Thread MIKE SHERMAN
products for sale world wide. Please contact me with any questions about this position. Mike Sherman Graco Inc. - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message

Re: [PSES] FCC Emissions on Industrial Equipment

2021-01-12 Thread MIKE SHERMAN
Brian -- I'm also interested in hearing from our group on the FCC question. Regarding Europe: be careful on applying 55011. Read the scope closely. It is my belief that it applies to a much narrower subset of industrial machinery than the generic heavy industrial standards 61000-6-2 and

Re: [PSES] TRAVEL ADAPTORS-EU regulation that forbids use in professional equipment?

2020-12-16 Thread MIKE SHERMAN
in the UK who could address this, or maybe even the people at PowerConnections. Mike Sherman Graco Inc. > On 12/15/2020 12:27 PM Rodriguez, Daniel (ESP) > <123de38bd494-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ieee.org> wrote: > > > > Good afternoon all > >

Re: [PSES] [EXTERNAL] Re: [PSES] Will there be an IEC electrical safety standard for E-cigarettes?

2020-12-10 Thread MIKE SHERMAN
I have not yet read the UL standard, but I recall from an ISPCE talk a couple of years ago that holding a li-ion battery to your lips can present special risks when that battery fails in an explosive manner. > On 12/10/2020 3:11 PM Ted Eckert >

Re: [PSES] TRAVEL ADAPTORS-EU regulation that forbids use in professional equipment?

2020-11-27 Thread MIKE SHERMAN
Regarding requirements in France and Germany: you might try contacting their regulators directly. That's how I found out about the Switzerland requirements. Mike Sherman Graco Inc. > On 11/27/2020 1:53 AM Rodriguez, Daniel (ESP) > <123de38bd494-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ieee.o

Re: [PSES] ROHS and DoC

2020-11-22 Thread MIKE SHERMAN
Brian's proposal has, in my opinion, the advantage of concisely communicating that he has considered the presence of the four phthalates. > On 11/22/2020 8:30 AM Scott Xe wrote: > > > > Brian, > > > > My view is that is it necessary to do so? When you sign a

Re: [PSES] ROHS and DoC

2020-11-22 Thread MIKE SHERMAN
Brian -- I like your approach; simple. Mike Sherman Graco Inc. > On 11/21/2020 11:26 PM Brian Kunde wrote: > > > Because we provide DoCs translated into over 30 languages, we try to > avoid text that has to be translated. Our type of products do not ha

Re: [PSES] TRAVEL ADAPTORS-EU regulation that forbids use in professional equipment?

2020-11-19 Thread MIKE SHERMAN
For Switzerland, the adaptor must be certified to SEV1011 and must be "fixed." Be aware that most "travel adaptors" are not certified and are not fixed. I found the authorities in Switzerland to be quite helpful; contact me directly for more information. Mike Sherman Graco

[PSES] CENELEC Version of IEC 60335-1:2020

2020-10-28 Thread MIKE SHERMAN
vote (on an exempted work item) 2020-06-29: WI abandoned: exempted from parallel by D164/C055" QUESTION for someone who speaks "CENELECese": when should we expect to see an approved/released EN 60335-1:2020? Thanks! Mi

Re: [PSES] removable access panels with warning decals

2020-10-26 Thread MIKE SHERMAN
Chet -- For completely removeable belt guards, I have sometimes put warning labels on both the outside of the guard and on the permanent part of the machine underneath the guard---as a reminder to replace it. However, no safety standard reference immediately comes to mind. Mike Sherman Graco

Re: [PSES] [EXTERNAL] Re: [PSES] electric shock from capacitor discharge

2020-09-30 Thread MIKE SHERMAN
I've seen some motor caps on industrial induction motors whose capacitance gave me pause. I think we specified a minimum bleed down time to allow before servicing. Mike Sherman Graco Inc. > On 09/29/2020 10:21 PM Ted Eckert > <07cf6ebeab9d-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ieee.o

Re: [PSES] electric shock from capacitor discharge

2020-09-29 Thread MIKE SHERMAN
Rich -- Are you including old CRTs as capacitors? I recall that, even with the early Macs, you had to be careful to discharge the tube if you were going to mess around inside. Mike > On 09/29/2020 4:27 PM Richard Nute wrote: > > > > > I am interested in knowing what

Re: [PSES] Selling into the Ukraine

2020-09-22 Thread MIKE SHERMAN
information we share. -We submit a Russian manual, plus Russian translations of the parts of our CE technical file that we share. Contact me separately if you have questions about EAC marking. Mike Sherman Graco Inc. > On 09/22/2020 12:40 PM Steve Brody wrote: > > > Brian, >

Re: [PSES] Risk Assessment question

2020-06-16 Thread MIKE SHERMAN
are used in what industries, vs. which risk assessment standards are specifically called out in which product safety standards. Mike Sherman Graco Inc. > On 06/16/2020 5:49 PM Douglas Powell wrote: > > > All, > > Over the past several years, nearly all saf

Re: [PSES] EMO versus EMS

2020-05-14 Thread MIKE SHERMAN
Regan -- Take a look at this article on Doug Nix's website: https://machinerysafety101.com/2010/09/27/emergency-stop-categories/ ABB also has an Emergency Stops Training Guide No. 2 available on the web that has some good, basic information. Mike Sherman Product Safety Engineer Graco Inc

Re: [PSES] Induction motor EMC

2020-04-19 Thread MIKE SHERMAN
Derek -- Look in the EMC guidelines, near the front. I seem to recall that they state that induction motors are EMC "benign" and therefore do not need to be assessed. Mike > On April 19, 2020 at 8:51 PM DEREK WALTON > <00734758d943-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ieee.org> wrote: > > > HI folks, >

Re: [PSES] Construction Site Power Cords, Germany

2020-02-16 Thread MIKE SHERMAN
ocument, BGV/GUV-V A3 E, 1979, section 5(1)2, specifically its instructions for implementation. Thanks to all for you help! And thanks to Herr Steimel for his quick response. Mike Sherman Product Safety Engineer Graco Inc. > On January 29, 2020 at 8:29 AM "Bender, Curtis" > &

[PSES] Product Safety Engineer Position--Minneapolis

2020-02-13 Thread MIKE SHERMAN
https://chj.tbe.taleo.net/chj04/ats/careers/v2/viewRequisition?org=GRAC=45=4198 Contact me with any questions. Mike Sherman Product Safety Engineer Graco Inc. - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc

[PSES] Construction Site Power Cords, Germany

2020-01-28 Thread MIKE SHERMAN
work equipment These must at least correspond to protection class IP 2X and be equipped with a mains connection cable of type H07RN-F [rubber] or H07BQ-F [polyurethane]. " Does anyone know what is meant by "comparable work equipment"? thanks, Mi

Re: [PSES] CCC on Cooling Fans?

2019-03-05 Thread MIKE SHERMAN
is simply not an excuse to import non-CCC parts and sell then to the broader market as component parts for new products. Our local employees in China had to work with local officials to implement this exception for some repair parts that we wanted to stock in China. Mike Sherman Graco Inc. &g

Re: [PSES] Standards

2019-02-25 Thread MIKE SHERMAN
As a UL customer you can get the UL national deviations to IEC standards. You then have to stitch them together yourself. I've been a long time customer of Estonian Standards and recommend them. Mike Sherman Graco Inc. > On February 25, 2019 at 6:37 AM "Wiseman, Joshua&qu

Re: [PSES] Rating & WEEE markings on lithium-ion rechargeable battery

2019-02-20 Thread MIKE SHERMAN
Scott -- Don't forget that the Battery Directive requires that you provide customers with instructions on how to remove the battery at the end of life. Mike Sherman Graco Inc. > On February 20, 2019 at 11:06 AM Scott Xe wrote: > > The end product safety standards EN 60065 &am

Re: [PSES] Intro to Safety

2019-02-15 Thread MIKE SHERMAN
=frontcover=kp_read_button#v=onepage=false Mike Sherman Graco Inc. > On February 15, 2019 at 1:15 PM Frank Tang > <0d3fa4ae712a-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ieee.org> wrote: > > Hi Compliance Peers, > I'm fairly new to compliance, with 4-5 years EMC experience on ITE &g

Re: [PSES] A question about FDA language and interlocking devices

2019-02-05 Thread MIKE SHERMAN
I see another probably more likely interpretation of "knife edge and finger stock" in this context. Look up a knife edge fuse on the internet. Presumably the socket the fuse seats in would be the finger stock. Mike Sherman Graco Inc. > On February 5, 2019 at 2:34 PM "Sch

Re: [PSES] A question about FDA language and interlocking devices

2019-02-05 Thread MIKE SHERMAN
Doug -- "knife-edge and finger stock" sounds more like the gasketing around the door to keep the radiation inside. I think you'll find similar gasketing on doors to EMC chambers. I've not heard of this term applied to interlock switches. Mike Sherman Graco Inc. > On February

Re: [PSES] Brexit requirements for UK manufacturers.

2019-01-18 Thread MIKE SHERMAN
safety product. Mike Sherman Graco Inc. > On January 18, 2019 at 9:50 AM John Woodgate wrote: > > > So their certification is a sort of 'whitewash', nothing more, if, as you > say, they bear no responsibility for the product actually being safe. > > Best wishes &g

Re: [PSES] NFC (near field communication): FCC Approach?

2018-10-22 Thread MIKE SHERMAN
55 dB > down from the fundamental. That is certainly doable, but I wouldn’t take it > for granted without some sort of verification. > > Ken Javor > Phone: (256) 650-5261 > > > > - > > From: MIKE SHERMAN mailto:msherma...@comcast.net >

[PSES] NFC (near field communication): FCC Approach?

2018-10-19 Thread MIKE SHERMAN
rating RF output as 0 mW (i.e., rounding off, it's a lot closer to 0 mW than to 1 mW). Looking forward once again to interesting wisdom from this group. Mike Sherman Graco Inc. - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineerin

Re: [PSES] CE marking of machinery that moves about

2018-08-02 Thread Mike Sherman
of professional off road mobile machinery. See Guideline to the RoHS directive for the finer points of this. Mike Sherman Graco Inc. - Original Message - From: "Pete Perkins" <0061f3f32d0c-dmarc-requ...@ieee.org> To: "EMC-PSTC" Sent: Thursday, August 2

Re: [PSES] Lithium Ion batteries - capacity measurement

2018-07-30 Thread Mike Sherman
IEC EN 61960:2011, superseded recently by IEC EN 61960-3, contains a standardized way to measure battery capacity. Preview of the latter is available at: https://www.evs.ee/preview/evs-en-61960-3-2017-en.pdf Mike Sherman Graco Inc. - Original Message - From: "Brian O'Co

Re: [PSES] Handy tip for inserting symbols in document text.

2018-07-03 Thread Mike Sherman
in my quest: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Unicode_characters and https://www.unicode.org/charts/PDF/U2600.pdf Thanks! Mike Sherman Graco Inc. - Original Message - From: "Richard Nute" To: "EMC-PSTC" Sent: Tuesday, July 3, 2018 3:54:03 PM Subject:

Re: [PSES] Medical device risk assessment - faulty chargers

2018-04-11 Thread Mike Sherman
There are a number of documented cases of counterfeit or knock off Apple USB chargers that do not pass dielectric testing; a couple have been suspected in shock related deaths. This is an unstated background to this discussion. Mike Sherman Graco Inc. - Original Message - From

Re: [PSES] BS EN 62493:2015 Assessment of lighting equipment related to human exposure to electromagnetic fields

2018-04-09 Thread Mike Sherman
At www.evs.ee you can get this preview for free https://www.evs.ee/preview/evs-en-62493-2015-en.pdf and buy the full standard for 19 euros. Mike Sherman Graco Inc. - Original Message - From: "Pete Perkins" <0061f3f32d0c-dmarc-requ...@ieee.org> To: &quo

[PSES] Fwd: [PSES] GFCI vs GFPE

2018-01-31 Thread Mike Sherman
: EMC-PSTC Subject: Re: [PSES] GFCI vs GFPE Brian -- I think I've seen a Part 2 standard for 60745-1, as I recall, that required a RCD if the tool used water and the water ended up in the wrong place electrically. If you'd like a screen shot of the section, I can probably find it for

Re: [PSES] GFCI vs GFPE discussion

2018-01-31 Thread Mike Sherman
Ralph -- Pete Perkins is the expert. 0.5 mA is the "reaction/startle" threshold. 6 mA gets you into where some of the population experiences muscle contraction ("letgo-immobilization"). I don't know the risk trade-offs various committees made to get from 5 mA to 15, 25, or 30. Mike

Re: [PSES] GFCI vs GFPE

2018-01-31 Thread Mike Sherman
electrically. If you'd like a screen shot of the section, I can probably find it for you. Mike Sherman Graco Inc. - Original Message - From: "Brian Kunde" < brian_ku...@lecotc.com > To: "EMC-PSTC" < EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG > Sent: Wednesday, Janua

Re: [PSES] GFCI vs GFPE

2018-01-31 Thread Mike Sherman
Brian -- I think I've seen a Part 2 standard for 60745-1, as I recall, that required a RCD if the tool used water and the water ended up in the wrong place electrically. If you'd like a screen shot of the section, I can probably find it for you. Mike Sherman Graco Inc. - Original

[PSES] FCC Language in Manuals, Intentional Transmitter

2017-10-30 Thread Mike Sherman
are we missing? Are these last two warnings only required in some cases, but not in others? thanks, Mike Sherman Product Safety and Compliance Engineer Graco Inc. - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Soc

[PSES] MID (Measuring Instruments Directive) Notified Body?

2017-09-12 Thread Mike Sherman
Hello again, colleagues: I'm looking for a MID notified body to do "B+D" conformity assessments for Annex VII liquid dispense meters. Please respond directly to me if you're interested or if you can point me towards someone who might be interested. Thanks! Mike Sherman Graco I

Re: [PSES] RED DoC and LVD

2017-08-02 Thread Mike Sherman
Short answer: no. Long answer: look at sections 9.5 and 11 of the "RED Guide," the Guide to the Radio Equipment Directive 2014/53/EU dated 19 May 2017. Mike Sherman Graco Inc. - Original Message - From: "Piotr Galka" <piotr.ga...@micromade.pl>

Re: [PSES] radio function "locked out" via software...which rules apply?

2017-07-11 Thread Mike Sherman
duct label and in documentation.  Is this still required if the radio part doesn’t work?   At any rate, as Mr. Woodgate points out the manufacturer is left (once again) to argue and defend his or her position.     Thanks for the replies, Chet Summers         From: Mike Sherman [mailto:msherma...@comcast.

Re: [PSES] radio function "locked out" via software...which rules apply?

2017-07-10 Thread Mike Sherman
Fun question! How accessible is the disabling software to the user? Put another way, what is the risk of the user enabling the radio?Mike ShermanGraco Inc. Sent from XFINITY Connect Mobile App-- Original Message --From: Chester SummersTo: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORGSent: July 10, 2017 at

Re: [PSES] RED Harmonised Standards

2017-06-28 Thread Mike Sherman
ons appear to be a prudent approach. Does anyone have any additional suggestions for appropriate considerations? Given the struggle to publish harmonized radio standards for RED, I expect it might take years for the safety harmonized standards to be published. Mike Sherman Graco Inc. - Origi

Re: [PSES] RED Harmonised Standards

2017-06-27 Thread Mike Sherman
It's an odd list, in that many explicitly do not provide presumption of conformity. Mike ShermanGraco Inc. Sent from Xfinity Connect Mobile App-- Original Message --From: Douglas NixTo: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORGSent: June 27, 2017 at 2:29 PMSubject: [PSES] RED Harmonised

[PSES] Source for HF-1 Foam Air Filter?

2017-06-23 Thread Mike Sherman
I'm using HF-1 foam for an air filter. Can any of you recommend a supplier? Replies off-line are acceptable. Mike Sherman Graco Inc. Minneapolis, MN USA - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc

Re: [PSES] RED ZigBee 6 GHz Immunity Testing: Technical Risk?

2017-06-09 Thread Mike Sherman ----- Original Message -----
nion piece to the Electric Knife; it didn’t do anything but looked good, cord and all, alongside the Electric Knife.)   :>) br,  Pete Peter E Perkins, PEPrincipal Product Safety & Regulatory Affairs ConsultantPO Box 23427Tigard, ORe  97281-3427 503/452-1201 p.perk...@ieee.org From: Mike Sherm

Re: [PSES] RED ZigBee 6 GHz Immunity Testing: Technical Risk?

2017-06-09 Thread Mike Sherman ----- Original Message -----
this is a good use of my company's funds. Mike Sherman Graco Inc. Sent from Xfinity Connect Mobile App-- Original Message --From: Chester SummersTo: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORGSent: June 9, 2017 at 12:29 PMSubject: RE: RED ZigBee 6 GHz Immunity Testing: Technical Risk? Dear group, did

[PSES] Radio Equipment Directive: What replaces EN 301-489-7:2005?

2017-05-24 Thread Mike Sherman ----- Original Message -----
: -the requirements of EN 301-489-7:2005 have been transferred to another document? or -the requirements of EN 301-489-7:2005 do not apply to RED? or -some other explanation? Thanks! Mike Sherman Graco Inc. - This message is from

[PSES] RED ZigBee 6 GHz Immunity Testing: Technical Risk?

2017-04-16 Thread Mike Sherman ----- Original Message -----
the equipment from 3 to 6 Ghz. I'm trying to assess my risk as I wait for lab time to open up. QUESTION: has anyone had immunity problems in other than radio modules in the 3-6 GHz range? How common? Were they found in certain constructions or components? thanks again to all, Mike Sherman

[PSES] RED, "Radio Equipment" and USB Dongle and the like

2017-04-16 Thread Mike Sherman ----- Original Message -----
this card. thanks to all, Mike Sherman Graco Inc. - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to <emc-p...@ieee.org> All e

[PSES] RED Guide: New Draft + Final Published Version?

2017-04-16 Thread Mike Sherman ----- Original Message -----
Esteemed colleagues: 1. Can anyone share the March 25, 2017 draft? 2. A REDCA notice stated that comments on the draft were being accepted through April 14. Does anyone know of a final publish/release date? thanks, Mike Sherman Graco Inc

Re: [PSES] E-Box Layout on Factory Machines

2017-04-04 Thread Mike Sherman ----- Original Message -----
to the skill and pride of the assembler. Mike Sherman Graco Inc. Sent from Xfinity Connect Mobile App-- Original Message --From: Doug PowellTo: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORGSent: April 4, 2017 at 11:26 AMSubject: Re: [PSES] E-Box Layout on Factory MachinesJust my opinion but the use of heavy locked

[PSES] Access to draft ETSI EN standards for RED?

2017-03-09 Thread Mike Sherman ----- Original Message -----
Esteemed colleagues --Do you know of a way to gain access to the draft ETSI EN standards for the Radio Equipment Directive without paying 6000 euros to join ETSI?ThanksMike Sherman Graco Inc. Sent from Xfinity Connect Mobile App -

Re: [PSES] Conformity assessment under RED

2017-03-01 Thread Mike Sherman ----- Original Message -----
Seems to me that IR does not communicate in the radio frequency range, but BT and RF do, so I would say IR is out of RED scope but BT and RF are within scope. What opinions do others have? Mike Sherman Graco Inc. - Original Message - From: "Scott Xe" <scott

Re: [PSES] Questions on GFCI & GFEP

2017-02-16 Thread Mike Sherman ----- Original Message -----
Another thing: these are typically "shunt trip" products, which leads to periodic testing to verify that they are still functional. Sent from Xfinity Connect Mobile App-- Original Message --From: Vincent LeeTo: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORGSent: February 15, 2017 at 8:49 PMSubject: [PSES]

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