Re: [PSES] DoC on final product

[RPQ]

Additionally, you should have a copy of the current reports associated with 
those standards from the radio module manufacturer for you to declare 
compliance of your CE marked product.
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-- Original message--From: Michael DerbyDate: Mon, Jun 1, 2015 7:44 
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Hello Amund,Yes, I would say that you do need to list the module's radio 
standards on the DoC of the final product.After all, the person putting the 
final product on the market is effectively using those standards to state 
compliance of their new radio product.Those standards are used to show 
compliance for the final 
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6888 -Original Message-From: Amund Westin 
[mailto:am...@westin-emission.no] Sent: 01 June 2015 12:42To: 
emc-p...@listserv.ieee.ORGSubject: [PSES] DoC on final productA radio module 
(GSM/GPRS/EDGE) is tested according to a range of standards, which are listed 
in RTTE OJ. Then this radio module is installed into a non-radio ITE (EMC and 
LVD apply only).Question: The final product is now a radio product and the DoC 
shall refer to RTTE 1999/5/EC only.When listing the different standards in the 
DoC, shall all the radio standards (from the radio module DoC) be listed?I 
assume so, but like to check out if any 
comments.BrAmund-This
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Re: [PSES] Ferrite Cores on cables and possible reduction

[Ron Pickard RPQ]

A German acquaintance of mine calls them EMC vitamins.

Best regards,

Ron Pickard

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Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2015 7:09 AM
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Subject: Re: [PSES] Ferrite Cores on cables and possible reduction

I met an engineer who called them prayer beads.  Put them on and pray they
work.


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On 3/3/2015 12:38 PM, Grasso, Charles wrote:
> It is generally reported (at least as far as I can remember) that a 
> ferrite bead clamped on a cable will provide - typically- only about 
> 3db of improvement as a general rule. I am now in a position

Ohboy!  Open that can barrel of worms, will you? My experience, when
constrained to ferrites by penny-pinching and very unrealistic program
managers (who regretted it later) is that _of course_ it's not that simple.
On any long enough cable, one can achieve anywhere between NO attenuation
and quite a bit more than 3 dB; material permitting, sometimes significantly
more, depending on the ferrite characteristics and position along the cable,
where the ferrite is, in that case, amismatch on a transmission line. In my
opinion and (despite my unofficial motto, "take Two ferrites and call me in
the morning") ferrites are the WORST Bandaid(tm).  And they break too
easily.

Cortland Richmond

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Re: [PSES] Safety standards versus safety engineering

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That is why there must be a committed teamwork of the.compliance engineer, 
designers, testers and management at all levels to ensure compliant products. 
If one or more diverts from that for whatever the reason, failure is usually 
the outcome.
Please note that I said compliance engineer and not just product safety 
engineers. There are other compliance disciplines that almost always are in 
play, too.
Best regards,Ron PickardSent from my smartphone




-- Original message--From: John WoodgateDate: Thu, Mar 5, 2015 4:22 
PMTo: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG;Subject:Re: [PSES] Safety standards versus 
safety engineering
In message <006501d05794$dc6afdc0$9540f940$@ieee.org>, dated Thu, 5 Mar 2015, 
Richard Nute  writes:>For every product, there is a development team.>The 
product safety engineer is a member of that>team, overtly or not, and owns the 
safety of the product.Far too often, it isn't overt at all, and there is a high 
wall (even up to VP level) between the designers and the testers. That is when 
there is ample opportunity for interpersonal friction and corporate 
disasters.-- OOO - Own Opinions Only. With best wishes. See 
www.jmwa.demon.co.ukWhen I turn my back on the sun, it's to look for a 
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Re: [PSES] Harmonised Standards for EMC Directive 2014/30/EU and Low Voltage Directive 2014/35/EU

[RPQ]

As an outsider to the EU process, all I can do is hope it all gets 
completed on time. But, I am skeptical that all the member states and ETSI can 
get that all done by the 2016 dates. I think the EU put the cart before the 
horse on this one, metaphorically speaking.
I look forward to you reply.
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-- Original message--From: John WoodgateDate: Tue, Mar 3, 2015 11:19 
AMTo: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG;Subject:Re: [PSES] Harmonised Standards for 
EMC Directive 2014/30/EU and Low Voltage Directive 2014/35/EU
In message <000f424e.66f2bca822817...@rpqconsulting.com>, dated Tue, 3 Mar 
2015, "Ron Pickard (RPQ)"  writes:>For your question, I guess we'll have to 
wait and see if the member >states and ETSI meet the 2016 dates in those 
directives.I meant a bit more than that. What chance is there of all the work 
being done in time? 1 picochance?-- OOO - Own Opinions Only. With best wishes. 
See www.jmwa.demon.co.ukWhen I turn my back on the sun, it's to look for a 
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Re: [PSES] Harmonised Standards for EMC Directive 2014/30/EU and Low Voltage Directive 2014/35/EU

[RPQ]

Hi John,For your question, I guess we'll have to wait and see if the member 
states and ETSI meet the 2016 dates in those directives.
I look forward to you reply.
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-- Original message--From: John WoodgateDate: Mon, Mar 2, 2015 4:26 
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EMC Directive 2014/30/EU and Low Voltage Directive 2014/35/EU
In message <000f424e.280b0b5d62a60...@rpqconsulting.com>, dated Mon, 2 Mar 
2015, "Ron Pickard (RPQ)"  writes:>So, how then would one know that ALL member 
states have implemented >these directives? Would it be officially announced 
(OJ?)I don't know.>or are the 2016 dates the drop dead dates for the member 
states?>Yes.>>And, will ETSI finish it's revision process of it's RED standards 
by >then? Just curious on this one.What do you think?-- OOO - Own Opinions 
Only. With best wishes. See www.jmwa.demon.co.ukWhen I turn my back on the sun, 
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Re: [PSES] Harmonised Standards for EMC Directive 2014/30/EU and Low Voltage Directive 2014/35/EU

[RPQ]

So, how then would one know that ALL member states have implemented these 
directives? Would it be officially announced (OJ?) or are the 2016 dates the 
drop dead dates for the member states?
And, will ETSI finish it's revision process of it's RED standards by then? Just 
curious on this one.
I look forward to you reply.
Best regards,Ron PickardSent from my smartphone




-- Original message--From: John WoodgateDate: Mon, Mar 2, 2015 12:59 
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EMC Directive 2014/30/EU and Low Voltage Directive 2014/35/EU
In message <000f424e.486384b410ff5...@rpqconsulting.com>, dated Mon, 2 Mar 
2015, "Ron Pickard (RPQ)"  writes:>As I believe as Mr. Woodgate pointed out 
earlier, these new directives >have no legal standing until at least one member 
state enacts them into >their own legal system. To my knowledge, that hasn't 
happened yet. >Anyone have any info on this?There has been a new ruling on this 
from the Commission. One implementation is NOT ENOUGH: the Directives aren't 
valid until ALL member states have implemented them.I suppose this is because a 
member state could find a serious objection to implementation, which would put 
everything back in the melting pot.-- OOO - Own Opinions Only. With best 
wishes. See www.jmwa.demon.co.ukWhen I turn my back on the sun, it's to look 
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Re: [PSES] Harmonised Standards for EMC Directive 2014/30/EU and Low Voltage Directive 2014/35/EU

[RPQ]

As I believe as Mr. Woodgate pointed out earlier, these new directives have 
no legal standing until at least one member state enacts them into their own 
legal system. To my knowledge, that hasn't happened yet. Anyone have any info 
on this?
I look forward to you reply.
Best regards,Ron PickardSent from my smartphone




-- Original message--From: Ronald R. WellmanDate: Mon, Mar 2, 2015 
12:22 PMTo: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG;Subject:Re: [PSES] Harmonised Standards 
for EMC Directive 2014/30/EU and Low Voltage Directive 2014/35/EU
Not my wording. I recommend you wait until further information 
isavailable from the website to make a decision on how to declare to thenewer 
Directives.    > When you say, "applicable from 20 April 2016" does 
thatthe date in which
> we can start declaring to the new directives or the date in which
> everything must be declared by?
> If the later, when can we start declaring to the new directives?
> Thanks,
> The Other Brian
>
>
From: Ronald Wellman [mailto:rwell...@wellman.com]
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Re: [PSES] Old photo?

[Ron Pickard RPQ]

Thank you to all that responded. I should've known that that photo was web
linkable.

Best regards,

Ron Pickard

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From: Richard Nute [mailto:ri...@ieee.org] 
Sent: Friday, April 18, 2014 10:23 AM
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Subject: Re: [PSES] Old photo?

If you do a fault tree of the situation, you will find that the situation
meets all the criteria for safety -- under normal conditions and under
single fault conditions.

I've used this pix as part of my presentations for some time.


Rich



On 4/17/2014 10:35 AM, Ron Pickard RPQ wrote:
>
> There was a photo many years ago that depicted a light fixture being 
> serviced directly over an indoor pool by a barefoot person wet up to 
> his chest while on an aluminum step ladder that was standing in the 
> pool. I may have missed some details since I'm drawing from an old 
> memory. This photo obviously depicts many ways to provide an object 
> lesson for safety.
>
> I am interested in getting a copy of that photo. If anyone has this 
> photo or knows where a copy can be located please let me know. If 
> anyone else is interested in this photo, please let me know and I'll 
> see about getting a copy to those interested.
>
> I look forward to your reply.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Ron Pickard
>
>

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[PSES] Old photo?

[Ron Pickard RPQ]

There was a photo many years ago that depicted a light fixture being
serviced directly over an indoor pool by a barefoot person wet up to his
chest while on an aluminum step ladder that was standing in the pool. I may
have missed some details since I'm drawing from an old memory. This photo
obviously depicts many ways to provide an object lesson for safety.

 

I am interested in getting a copy of that photo. If anyone has this photo or
knows where a copy can be located please let me know. If anyone else is
interested in this photo, please let me know and I'll see about getting a
copy to those interested.

 

I look forward to your reply.

 

Best regards,

 

Ron Pickard


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[PSES] Test lab acceptability query

[Ron Pickard RPQ]

To all,

I've been asked by a colleague to verify what he has recently learned, which
is in Malaysia, a ruling by SIRIM does not recognize regulatory
certification test reports from any Israeli certification lab.

 

Is this based in truth or is this something of a fabrication? If this is
true, does anyone have an official reference for that ruling? Also, how
widespread is this sort of thing in other countries?

 

I would like to know of any experiences or knowledge anyone has on this.
Please let me know.

 

I look forward to your reply.

 

Best regards,

 

Ron Pickard

 


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Re: [PSES] a CAB person and my Python

[Ron Pickard RPQ]

Hi Bill,

The $2 bill is, in fact, still a current denomination of US currency, albeit
rarely used. It's introduction was back in the mid-1800s, I believe. I still
have a few of them from many years ago.

 

But, there was the $3 bill, but that only made it to be funny money.

 

Best regards,

 

Ron Pickard

 

From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Bill Owsley
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 11:02 PM
To: oconne...@tamuracorp.com; 'EMC-PSTC'
Subject: Re: a CAB person and my Python

 

And some of them are voters too!!!
Tonight at the grocery store, $50 back from the POS, and could you please
change this $20 for 2 tens?
I needed $60 and only had $20's and a soon to be $50, since all she had
$50's, no $20's, but did have $10's.
Clerk freaked, and said no way, and that she was not doing that!
Yes she was fresh out of high school.
I guess my expression reminded her of the one about making change for a $2
bill. (there is no such thing as $2)
So she finally caught on... but the rest of the line went to another lane!

ps. quite like the error in using whom.  I'll bet there is not clerk that
can say, or spell, or use "whom"
http://web.ku.edu/~edit/whom.html

 


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From: Brian Oconnell 
To: 'EMC-PSTC' mailto:emc-pstc@using%20whom..ORG>
> 
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 6:09 PM
Subject: a CAB person and my Python


CAB person - So back to this Python language thing?
me - huh?
CAB person - So how is the test data affected if you no longer write it all
in C?
me - none, the instrument just sees a command and responds, it never sees
any elements of any programming language syntax. An ASCII string looks the
same regardless of the language that was used to write the system.
CAB person - How can the meters and source and logger and load not see the
language?
me - the equipment and the computer exchange serial streams of bit patterns
that represent SCPI commands and data. The test equipment has no need to see
any programming language, and has no ability to parse and no ability to
interpret anything other than SCPI commands.
CAB person - Whom is Skippy?

Brian

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Re: [PSES] Ecma TR-106 available

[Ron Pickard RPQ]

Hi Rich,
Thank you and Tom getting this out to us. After reviewing this document, I
noticed that it references IEC 62368 Edition 1. As this Edition 1 was voted
down I believe by most NCBs causing Edition 2 to be created, will ECMA be
updating this document to reflect a comparison to IEC 62368 Edition 2, which
is supposed to be published early next year?

I look forward to your reply.

Best regards,

Ron Pickard

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From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Richard Nute
Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 12:45 PM
To: EMC-PSTC
Cc: Thomas M Burke
Subject: Ecma TR-106 available

Posted on behalf of Tom Burke, UL:

More good news for those seeking to learn more about IEC 62368-1 as the ICT
Industry prepares for the eventual transition from IEC 60950-1 (and IEC
60065) to IEC 62368-1. ECMA International, previously known as the European
Computer Manufacturers Association, has just published its Technical Report
TR/106, which provides guidance and comparison between
60950-1 and 62368-1. The report was published by ECMA's TC12 on Product
Safety, and the effort to develop and publish the TR was very capably led by
Mr. Richard Nute. Thank you Rich and members of ECMA TC12! ECMA has a strong
interest in IEC 62368-1 since its industry standard,
ECMA-287 "Safety of electronic equipment," which was developed and published
in the 1990s and which first introduced hazard-based concepts, was the core
material that IEC TC108 used when it began it project developing IEC 62368-1
in 2002. It is believed that the availability of comparison documents like
TR/106 from a variety of sources helps industry prepare for the pending
transition and also helps clear up some of the misconceptions about the new
standard. As has been discussed in this group previously, IEC 62368-1 has
many familiar elements from 60950-1, including allowance for prescriptive
constructions that have proven safe in 60950-1 and that may be used as an
alternative to some of the performance based requirements in 62368-1.
Provided below are links to information on ECMA TC12 and the TR/106
(available free of charge).

http://www.ecma-international.org/memento/TC12.htm

http://www.ecma-international.org/publications/techreports/E-TR-106.htm";


Best regards,
Rich

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Re: [PSES] FCC & IC and Product Information

[Ron Pickard RPQ]

Previous contributors have given good information and I've had no experience
in which a TCB or the FCC have charged extra for a confidentiality request.

 

Here in the USA, details of what can/cannot be held confidential and under
what conditions are generally found in FCC Part 0 (0.457-0.459 I believe).
Also refer to Public Notice DA 04-1705 and the FCC's marketing regulations
found in FCC Part 2.803 for further guidance.

 

In Canada, requests for 100% confidentiality are usually granted by Industry
Canada (mostly because they don't make any documents available on their REL
listings page anyway).

 

IHTH.

 

I look forward to your reply.

 

Best regards,

 

Ron Pickard

 

From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Michael
Derby
Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 7:43 AM
To: 'itl-emc user group'; EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: RE: [PSES] FCC & IC and Product Information

 

Hello,

 

You cannot get confidentiality or even short term confidentiality on a test
report.   You can't keep the results private, sorry.

 

David is correct in his summary below.

 

Michael.

 

 

Michael Derby

Regulatory Engineer

ACB Europe

 

From: itl-emc user group [mailto:itl...@itl.co.il] 
Sent: 30 January 2013 05:15
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] FCC & IC and Product Information

 

In my experience, TCB's don't charge extra for confidentiality unlike the
FCC.

I have not heard of short term confidentiality for a test report.

Internal photos can be kept confidential only under certain circumstances
such as the device being filled and sealed with epoxy. Permanent
confidentiality request for schematics, block diagram and parts list is
given without any problem. 

 

Regards,

David Shidlowsky | Technical Writer

Address 1 Bat-Sheva St. POB 87, LOD 71100 Israel

Tel 972-8-9186113 Fax 972-8-9153101

Mail e...@itl.co.il/dav...@itl.co.il  Web  
www.itl.co.il

 

  Fill out Customer
Satisfaction Survey

Global Certifications You Can Trust 

 

 

 

From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Mark Gandler
Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2013 9:50 PM
To: emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org
Subject: RE: [PSES] FCC & IC and Product Information

 

You can submit 180 days Short term request for confidentiality pretty much
on most of the  information (phots, manuals, test setup) and later on ask
for 90 days extension.

The longer the request higher the fee

 

There is also an option for permanent confidentiality request on some of the
more critical info: block diagram, schematics. There is also a fee for that.


 

Mark

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From: edpr...@cox.net
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: RE: [PSES] FCC & IC and Product Information
Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 21:27:46 -0800

Bill:

 

Wow, I never knew about this source. This will keep me up all night!

 

Ed Price

WB6WSN

Chula Vista, CA  USA

 

From: Bill Owsley [mailto:wdows...@yahoo.com] 
Sent: Monday, January 28, 2013 8:40 PM
To: Ed Price
Subject: Re: [PSES] FCC & IC and Product Information

 

http://transition.fcc.gov/oet/ea/fccid/
and explore from there...

 


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From: Ed Price 
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG 
Sent: Monday, January 28, 2013 10:05 PM
Subject: RE: [PSES] FCC & IC and Product Information


I didn't realize that the FCC releases any information to the public, other
than cross-referencing to your approval status. Do you mean something like
the information in your FRN (FCC Registration Number) that you have in order
to do business with the FCC?

BTW, I think it would be really great if I could access the test data
submitted to the FCC for things like Part 15 compliance. For one thing, as a
consumer, I could use that as a component of my purchasing decision. For
instance, if I were buying a DC to AC inverter, I could look at several and
be able to choose which one had the lowest emission signature, which is a
lot better than just the assurance that they all passed the limit.

Ed Price
WB6WSN
Chula Vista, CA  USA


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From: Peter Merguerian [mailto:pmerguerian2...@yahoo.com] 
Sent: Monday, January 28, 2013 6:47 PM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: [PSES] FCC & IC and Product Information

Dear Members

How long can we prevent the FCC or IC from releasing any testing/product
information to the public?

Peter

Sent from my iPhone

Peter S. Merguerian
pe...@goglobalcompliance.com
Go Global Compliance Inc.
www.goglobalcompliance.com  
(408) 931-3303

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Re: [PSES] Ball drop test and Impact hammer test ... IEC60950-1 2005 and UL, CSA variation

[Ron Pickard RPQ]

Hi Sudhakar,

Yes, but how would you plan to keep that impact hammer in calibration. Note
that the 50mm steel ball essentially maintains its calibration unless it is
damaged.

 

I look forward to your reply.

 

Best regards,

 

Ron Pickard

 

From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of sudhakar
wasnik
Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2013 7:48 PM
To: doug...@gmail.com; EMC-PSTC
Subject: Re: [PSES] Ball drop test and Impact hammer test ... IEC60950-1
2005 and UL, CSA variation

 

You can make 5.0J Impact hammer and use it

 

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From: "doug...@gmail.com" 
To: Sudhakar Wasnik ; EMC-PSTC
 
Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2013 6:33 PM
Subject: Re: [PSES] Ball drop test and Impact hammer test ... IEC60950-1
2005 and UL, CSA variation

 

Typically the spring loaded impact hammer is 0.5 Joules, the 50mm steel
sphere is 5.0 Joules when doing the vertical or pendulum drop.

Doug



Douglas E Powell
http://www.linkedin.com/in/dougp01

http://www.linkedin.com/in/dougp01

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From: sudhakar wasnik  

Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2013 18:19:34 -0800

To: 

ReplyTo: sudhakar wasnik  

Subject: [PSES] Ball drop test and Impact hammer test ... IEC60950-1 2005
and UL, CSA variation

 

Hi Guys, 

 

Can the ball drop test be conducted using impact hammer ?  

 

I do not see any credible reason for not using the impact hammer.

 

Impact test using impact hammer delivers x amount of Joules energy  upon
impact similar  to the dropping of steel ball of certain size from certain
height.

 

Thanks,

 

 

Sudhakar Wasnik, MS EE, IES

 

Apple Inc.

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Re: [PSES] iPhone 5 TxRx frequencies on 4g

[Ron Pickard RPQ]

Hi Derek,

 

Frequency bands used on the AT&T Network are:

 

Frequency  Protocol   Class

850 MHz   GSM/GPRS/EDGE2G

1900 MHzGSM/GPRS/EDGE2G

850 MHz   UMTS/HSPA   3G

1900 MHzUMTS/HSPA   3G

700 MHz   LTE   
  4G

1700/2100 MHz(AWS)LTE 4G

 

Please note that your iPhone 5 will likely use any of the above frequency bands 
depending on your wireless connection quality at any given time. IHTH.

 

Best regards,

 

Ron Pickard

 

From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Derek Walton
Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2013 5:16 PM
To: Larry Stillings
Cc: emc-p...@ieee.org
Subject: Re: iPhone 5 TxRx frequencies on 4g

 

I'm on AT and T out here.

Sent from my iPad


On Jan 6, 2013, at 16:00, Larry Stillings  wrote:

Derek,

 

Who's 4G Network? AT&T or Verizon or other carrier I am not familiar with? It 
carrier will determine what part of the spectrum they own is being used for 4G.

 

Most likely it would be the frequencies certified under FCC Part 27 of the 
rules which are numerous.

 

Larry

 

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From: Derek Walton [mailto:lfresea...@aol.com] 
Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2013 12:14 PM
To: emc-p...@ieee.org
Subject: iPhone 5 TxRx frequencies on 4g

HI folks, can anyone tell me what transmit and receive frequencies my iPhone 5 
uses here on the US 4G network please. 

 

Thanks,


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Re: [PSES] Sanity check - Korea please

[Ron Pickard RPQ]

Hi Gary,

Korea aside, how would a 14 yr old EU/CE EMC test report still provide a
presumption of conformity with the current EMC or R&TTE Directives as their
lists of harmonized standards are regularly revised/updated?

 

Given the EU standards you're referencing, I assume that the product in
question is an unintentional radiator (no wireless transmitters). Does
safety (60950-1, 60950, 950) also apply? What inter-communication features
does this product have (PSTN, etc.)? As you can see, depending on this
product's features, actual compliance time/costs can spiral further than a
new EMC test report.

 

Regarding Korea, I will have to bow to others more experienced with the new
KCC requirements.

 

Best regards,

 

Ron Pickard

 

From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of McInturff,
Gary
Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2012 6:26 PM
To: 'EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG'
Subject: Sanity check - Korea please

 

I have a customer with a EMC test about 14 years old now - and it was done
to US and EU requirements 55022 55024 etc. They now have a requirement for
Korea and are insisting that Korean approval can be gained without a Korean
acceptance of the test - which requires documented evidence that the tests
were perform at Korean required voltage an frequency.

 

Ignoring the fact that generally no county accepts test reports that old for
a new approval even if the design has never changed. Can anyone verify that
Korea will not accept for approval test data that doesn't clearly indicate
the appropriate test voltages and frequencies are used - will they accept
European test voltages.

 

The bottom line is that after 14 years they have a new requirement and want
us to eat the cost of getting it, somehow assuming we should have known
better than they that in the far distant future they would have a new
market. 

 

 


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Reliability/Compliance Engineer

 

 

 


 


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[PSES] A change in the wind... again

[Ron Pickard RPQ]

Well, it as a shock to many, but I along with many others were let go
yesterday from my now previous employer. If anyone has any leads for an
experienced regulatory engineer/manager, please let me know. It will be much
appreciated.

 

Also, if anyone knows of anyone that may be in need of an experienced
independent regulatory consultant, please let me know that, too. It will be
much appreciated as well.

 

I look forward to your reply.

 

Best regards,

 

Ron Pickard

  rpick...@rpqconsulting.com

  www.rpqconsulting.com

 


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Re: [PSES] RoHS2 - Harm. Std List in OJ

[Ron Pickard RPQ]

Hi Ilan,
Please check again as it is showing now. They may have updated it just after
your email was sent.

Best regards,

Ron Pickard

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From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Ilan Cohen
Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2012 1:42 AM
To: oconne...@tamuracorp.com; EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: RE: RoHS2 - Harm. Std List in OJ

Guys

It is not showing up on the EU web site?!
http://ec.europa.eu/enterprise/policies/european-standards/harmonised-standa
rds/restriction-of-hazardous-substances/index_en.htm

Ilan 

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From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Brian
Oconnell
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2012 9:10 PM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: RE: RoHS2 - Harm. Std List in OJ

Thank you sir, for this most unkind news.

So we have formal report and data requirements, but no approved test method.
The European regulators really need to get a life...

So what will happen to EN62321 and IEC62476?

Brian

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Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2012 10:38 AM
To: EMC-PSTC (EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG)
Subject: RoHS2 - Harm. Std List in OJ

Well, it had to happen I suppose. FYI.

On 23-Nov, the EU OJ published the first harmonized standards list for the
new RoHS Directive, 2011/65/EU. It can be found at
http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=OJ:C:2012:363:0006:000
7:EN:PDF. There is only the following standard in that list:

EN 50581:2012, Technical documentation for the assessment of electrical and
electronic products with respect to the restriction of hazardous substances

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Re: [PSES] EN 1300 accredited test labs?

[Ron Pickard RPQ]

This is a resend as I've received no replies and am questioning if everyone
received it. BTW, EN 1300 pertains to "Secure Storage Units - Classification
for high security locks according to their resistance to unauthorized
opening". I am hoping that someone knows of any such test labs either in the
USA or in the UK. Please advise.

 

I look forward to your reply.

 

Best regards,

 

Ron Pickard

 

From: Ron Pickard RPQ [mailto:rpick...@rpqconsulting.com] 
Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2012 5:24 PM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: EN 1300 accredited test labs?

 

Hello,

This may be a bit OT, but I'm inquiring if anyone knows of any test labs
accredited to perform EN 1300 testing that located in the USA and preferably
located on the west coast of the USA. If truly OT, then please respond
directly to me.

 

I look forward to your reply.

 

Best regards,

 

Ron Pickard

 


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[PSES] EN 1300 accredited test labs?

[Ron Pickard RPQ]

Hello,

This may be a bit OT, but I'm inquiring if anyone knows of any test labs
accredited to perform EN 1300 testing that located in the USA and preferably
located on the west coast of the USA. If truly OT, then please respond
directly to me.

 

I look forward to your reply.

 

Best regards,

 

Ron Pickard

 


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Re: [PSES] receiving/approval processes under fire

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Hi Brian,
I have to repeat Rich's sentiment below, Good luck. Hopefully, he/she will
have had some positive compliance exposure before the breaking in.

Best regards,

Ron

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From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Brian
Oconnell
Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2012 12:25 PM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: RE: [PSES] receiving/approval processes under fire

Rich, Ron, John, et al,

Many thanks for the sanity check (not me, the process requirements). Reminds
me of (in another life) the boss's favorite retort: 'too many stupid people,
not enough napalm.' Where we were also taught to immediately assault
directly into an ambush. Intend to do that.

I have received many off-line replies that indicate their design engineers
had said the exact same thing to them. And just received another reply from
an agency engineer I have known > 10 years. He says this he hears this stuff
all the time from eng dept at companies not having a compliance person -
"Never had to do anything like this at any other company."

Time to go break in the new boss. This may hurt...

Brian

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From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org]On Behalf Of Richard Nute
Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2012 10:24 AM
To: 'John Woodgate'; EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: RE: [PSES] receiving/approval processes under fire

Mr. Woodgate suggests:

> What you do is make the design team leader *responsible*for the 
> compliance of the design. He/she doesn't do the tests but has to 
> understand the standards that apply enough to assess the test reports 
> and sign them off.

Absolutely!  I have successfully used this process for years!
My designers have been very complementary.

However, to do this, the compliance engineer must partner with the designer
so as to offer various alternatives that complement his design, not just a
one-size-fits-all.  And, you must take some risk with the certification
house so that your promises to the design engineer are fulfilled.  To do
this means you must also partner with the cert house at the same time to be
certain that the design is certifiable.

This means you join the design team in the very early stages of the design
and jointly agree with the design team as to a safety design strategy --
BEFORE the design is developed to a physical model.

This has another advantage:  the very first prototypes comply with the
requirements, and can be used for certification.
This means that the certification timetable is not in the critical path to
project completion.

Good luck!
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Re: [PSES] ACMA labelling arrangement change announcement

[Ron Pickard RPQ]

Hi Martin,

 

Thank you for the detailed brief summary. Does anyone know if the ACMA
expects this to be in place and functioning by their effectivity date or
will it be delayed. Have you heard if there any expectation or rumblings
from the ACMA that this will be delayed?

 

Also, if Sergei German is still at Austest, tell him I said hi.

 

I look forward to your reply.

 

Best regards,

 

Ron Pickard

 

From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Martin
Garwood
Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2012 10:14 PM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: RE: [PSES] ACMA labelling arrangement change announcement

 

Hi All,

 

I have put together a summary of the new Australian Electrical Safety System
(as of today) with details of compliance levels and documentation
requirements on our blog.

 

http://www.approvalsblog.com/?p=717

 

Regards,

Martin.

 

 

Martin Garwood

 

Austest Laboratories

Unit 2, 9 Packard Avenue,

Castle Hill, NSW 2154, Australia

Tel: +61 2 9680 9990 | Fax: +61 2 8850 3113

  www.austest.com.au  (Offices in Sydney,
Central Coast NSW, Melbourne, Adelaide)

  www.harvestlabs.com  (Auckland) 

  www.approvalspecialists.com  (Global)

Local and Global Approvals News  
www.approvalsblog.com

Austest Laboratories is 100% Australian Owned

 

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Re: [PSES] ACMA labelling arrangement change announcement

[Ron Pickard RPQ]

Hi Nick,

Full harmonization, not really. Currently for EMC and radio communication
products, the Australian C-tick mark with the Australian Supplier Code is
recognized in New Zealand. However for telecom products, New Zealand has the
formal Telepermit approval program with unique marking requirements, which
must be held by an in-country entity and is not recognized outside of New
Zealand. New Zealand, however, has its own C-tick marking scheme with the
New Zealand Supplier Code for radio communications products that is accepted
in Australia.

 

As you can see, there is some harmonization, but there will probably never
be full harmonization as Australia and New Zealand are independent sovereign
states.

 

I hope this brief reply answered your question.

 

Best regards,

 

Ron Pickard

 

From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Nick
Williams
Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2012 5:30 PM
To: Ron Pickard
Cc: oconne...@tamuracorp.com; Kevin Richardson; EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] ACMA labelling arrangement change announcement

 

Does it have to be an entity established in Australia, or will New Zealand
do?

 

I'm not clear if this is a full harmonisation of legislation between
Australian and NZ, a la the EU, or if certain national requirements remain. 

 

Nick. 

 

 

 

On 8 Mar 2012, at 23:42, Ron Pickard wrote:





Hi Brian,

I believe you're correct given the statement in the announcement.

 

Also, the ACMA will only assign a Supplier Code number to an in-country
entity that's established in Australia. Currently, an in-country entity
would have to apply to the ACMA for the number by using theapplication form
  available online.

 

IHTH.

 

Best regards,

 

Ron

 

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From: Brian Oconnell [mailto:oconne...@tamuracorp.com] 
Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2012 3:46 PM
To: 'Kevin Richardson'; Ron Pickard; EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: RE: [PSES] ACMA labelling arrangement change announcement

 

Many thanks to Ron and Kevin.

 

Have interpreted the announcement that current products that have a
representative and bear the 'c-tick' mark will not have to be registered and
bear RCM until June 2015. Correct?

 

Does the ACMA Supplier Code Number come from the representative, or does the
mfr have to apply for this number?

 

thanks,

Brian

 

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From:   emc-p...@ieee.org
 [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org]On Behalf Of
Kevin Richardson

Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2012 2:11 PM

To: 'Ron Pickard';  
EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG

Subject: RE: [PSES] ACMA labelling arrangement change announcement

 

Hi Ron,

Just to clarify, as the announcement says, this is related to labelling and
does not mean any changes to technical requirements.

All importers of overseas product however, will now also have to "register"
on a national database., even if they already have been issued with an ACMA
Supplier Code Number.

The timing of the commencement of these new arrangements are to coincide
with the commencements of completely new electrical safety arrangements in
Australia and New Zealand, the EESS arrangements.  These will have very
significant impact, again, not so much on the technical requirements but on
the processes imposed on the suppliers of product into Australia or New
Zealand.

 

Best regards,

Kevin Richardson

Stanimore Pty Limited

Compliance Advice & Solutions for Technology
(Legislation/Regulations/Standards/Australian Agent Services)

Ph:   02-4329-4070   (Int'l: +61-2-4329-4070)

Fax:  02-4328-5639   (Int'l: +61-2-4328-5639)

Mobile:  04-1224-1620   (Int'l: +61-4-1224-1620)

Email: 
kevin.richard...@stanimore.comor 
kevin.richard...@ieee.org

URL:   www.stanimore.com

 

From: Ron Pickard  
[mailto:rpick...@equinoxpayments.com]

Sent: Wednesday, 7 March 2012 6:20 AM

To:   EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG

Subject: [PSES] ACMA labelling arrangement change announcement

To those that deal with Australian requirements, here's an ACMA announcement
that will be of interest. Please note that this will obviously affect all 3
labeling notices.

Best regards,

Ron

-Original message-

From: Technical Regulation Development Section <
 single.m...@acma.gov.au>

Sent: Mon, Mar 5, 2012 03:16:10 GMT+00:00

Subject: Upcoming changes to the ACMA labelling arrangements

 

 

Announcement

Notice of upcoming changes to the ACMA labelling arrangements (RCM) The ACMA
is consolidating the three existing compliance marks (C-Tick, A-Tick and
RCM) into a single compliance mark-the RCM. This 

Re: [PSES] North American Energy Efficiency regulations

[Ron Pickard RPQ]

Hi Ian,

 

For Canada, the NRCan 
requirements for EPS are as you describe to be legal in Canada.

 

For the USA and to be brief, the EISA 2007
  became mandatory in 2008, thus superseding the
voluntary Energy Star requirements for EPS. Refer to Section 301 for EPS.

 

IHTH.

 

Best regards,

 

Ron Pickard

 

From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Mcburney,
Ian
Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2012 7:17 AM
To: emc-p...@ieee.org
Subject: North American Energy Efficiency regulations

 

Dear Colleagues;

 

I require some clarification brought about by the Canadian NRCan energy
efficiency regulations for external power supplies (EPS).

The NRCan regulations appear to require mandatory third party verification
from a Standards Council of Canada (SCC) accredited certification
organisation.

The EPS must bear a verification mark indicating that it has been tested.
This mark may be an "Energy star" IV or a logo from an SCC accredited body.

On checking the Energy Star website to confirm the level IV limits I noticed
the Energy Star specifications for EPS were "sunset" on 31/12/2010. Please
accept my apologies for not keeping up to date; I know 2010 was a while ago.

My questions are;

is EPS verification by a SCC accredited organisation mandatory

and

with the "sunset" of the Energy Star specification for EPS, is the IV logo
still valid and if not what replaces it.

 

I realise this is not an EMC or safety question but my organisation
considers this a technical compliance issue which I suppose it is.

 

Many thanks in advance;

 

Ian McBurney

Design Engineer

 

Allen & Heath Ltd

Kernick Industrial Estate

Penryn, Cornwall

TR10 9LU

United Kingdom

 

+44 (0)1326 370121


ian.mcbur...@dmh-global.com

www.allen-heath.com  
  A DMH Pro Company.

 

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Proposed RoHSD query

[Ron Pickard, RPQ]

I’ve not been involved with the ROHS directive for a while, but am again
being steered toward it.

 

To that end, I have been reviewing the proposed RoHS Directive materials from
Europa’s website and have a couple of questions about it.

 

The proposed directive makes several references to “harmonized standards”,
not present in the current directive. Will there be a harmonized standards
list such as is already in place for other various directives? Does anyone at
present know what those harmonized standards will be?

 

I look forward to your reply.

 

Best regards,

 

Ron Pickard

RPQ Consulting

Glendale, AZ 85303

+623.512-3451 tel, +623.848-9033 fax

rpick...@rpqconsulting.com

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RE: Electrical product recall & request

[Ron Pickard, RPQ]

Hi Ed,

 

It’s nice to hear from you again. See my comments following your questions
below. Let me know if you agree or not or have additional questions. I’m
hoping others will chime in and give their opinions, too. If not, that’s ok,
too.

 

Best regards,

 

Ron Pickard

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From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Price, Edward
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 9:34 AM
To: owner-emc-p...@listserv.ieee.org
Cc: emc-p...@ieee.org
Subject: RE: Electrical product recall & request





From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of 
Pickard, Ron
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 6:56 AM
To: Scott Xe
Cc: emc-p...@ieee.org
Subject: RE: Electrical product recall & request

Scott et al,

 

 Compliance engineering is a term to describe the engineering 
activities to
ensure that products conform to these regulations.  In that aspect, compliance
engineering does mimic the legal profession.

 

Ron Pickard 

 

Ron:

 

In companies where there is a specifically designated Compliance Engineer,
what do you see as the trend in the depth of knowledge of such an engineer? 

[RP] Engineers tend to focus over time into a specific area of design,
manufacturing, quality, reliability, etc. engineering and then specialize into
a specific discipline in those areas. Compliance engineers are not really that
different in that they specialize mainly in the design/test engineering
discipline in the specific areas of product safety, EMC, RF, telecom, RoHS,
WEEE, etc, and adding various country requirements as another dimension to
this mix, but recent harmonization has lightened  that aspect a bit. And, I
see the depth of knowledge being dependent on the compliance engineer’s
committed/designated area(s) of responsibility (typically the more areas, the
less depth), the compliance engineer’s ability(ies), and the how much the
employer’s willing to fund the compliance function internally including the
# of in-house compliance staff.

 

Does this person hold technical responsibility for issues of safety, EMC,
ROHS, etc, as you would expect of an engineer? Or is the scope so broad that
the person acts more like a manager or coordinator of other specialists
(designers and possibly outside vendors), more toward the lawyer end of the
scale?

[RP] This is how I see it. A typical design engineer is ultimately responsible
for his design and the inclusion of compliance (EMC and safety, etc.)
optimally into the design at an as early as possible stage. RoHS/WEEE involves
not just the product design, but the whole product
design/manufacturing/admin/etc process, including everything from procurement
to landfill avoidance. The compliance engineering function affects the whole
company and is [1] an engineering function to understand the technical issues,
design constraints, etc and introduce design change recommendations to ensure
compliance, [2] a management function so that internal and external
organizations are informed of the implications of non-compliance and that
compliant designs are developed, tested and manufactured to ensure continued
compliance on time and within budget (cost reduction efforts and unannounced
part substitutions can be nightmares), and [3] a consultancy function where
the compliance engineer works with internal organizations to provide needed
pertinent and up to date compliance information to ensure that those
applicable internal processes/functions provide for continued compliant
products. However, if I were to generalize, I would say that a compliance
engineer responsible for 1 or 2 disciplines (EMC & safety) would typically
have a high engineering/consultancy focus.  A compliance engineer responsible
for more that 2 disciplines would likely have a high
engineering/management/consultancy focus with a primary focus on management.

 

Maybe I was misspoken by stating that compliance engineering sometimes mimics
the legal profession. The compliance engineering function is focused on the
technical conformance side of the law, however the legal profession is focused
on the legal side of the law. Maybe there are multiple sides to the law. To a
lawyer, that could either be good fortune or a nightmare.

 

Regards,

 

Ed Price

ed.pr...@cubic.com mailto:ed.pr...@cubic.com>  WB6WSN

NARTE Certified EMC Engineer

Electromagnetic Compatibility Lab

Cubic Defense Applications

San Diego, CA  USA

858-505-2780

Military & Avionics EMC Is Our Specialty

 

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RE: Cell and Battery Designation in IEC 61960

[Ron Pickard, RPQ]

Hi Grace et al,

 

The Japanese battery requirement and the pertinent November 20, 2008
information originate from METI’s Electrical Appliance and Material Safety
Law and can be obtained at their website:
http://www.meti.go.jp/english/policy/economy/consumer/pse/index.html.

 

IHTH those needing this information.

 

Best regards,

 

Ron Pickard

RPQ Consulting

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www.linkedin.com/in/RonPickard

 



From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Grace Lin
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 12:18 PM
To: emc-p...@ieee.org
Subject: Re: Cell and Battery Designation in IEC 61960

 

Hi John,

 

Thank you very much.  We have several different types of batteries.  Lithium
battery is one of them.  I believe the Japanese requirement starting November
20, 2008 is for the lithium battery.

 

I assume the PSE mark required is the diamond one (not circle one).  Please
confirm.

 

Best regards,

Grace 

 

On 10/27/08, Tyra, John  wrote: 

 Hello Grace, If it is a Lithium battery then it does require a (PS)E mark by
November 10th what type of battery do you have?

 

From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Grace Lin
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 2:05 PM
To: emc-p...@ieee.org
Subject: Re: Cell and Battery Designation in IEC 61960

 


Thank you, Jody.

 

Do you know if PSE mark is required per Japan for the battery?
 

On 10/24/08, Leber Jody-G19980  wrote: 

Grace,

 

N5 represents the number of parallel connected cells indicating it belongs to
the battery designation.

 

Best Regards, 

Jody Leber 
Program Manager 

jody.le...@motorola.com 
http://www.motorola.com/producttesting 

Motorola Product Testing Services 
1700 Belle Meade Court 
Lawrenceville, GA 30043 

770.338.3581  P 
404.387.1224  C 
847.761.3145  F 

 





From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Grace 
Lin
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 10:21 AM
To: emc-p...@ieee.org
Subject: Cell and Battery Designation in IEC 61960

 

Dear Members,

 

Can someone confirm the following "Cell and battery designation" under 
5.1 of
IEC 61960: 2003?

 

"Battery shall be designated with the following form: 

N

1 A1 A2 A3 N2 / N3 / N4 – N5 

Cells shall be designated with the following form: 

A

1 A2 A3 N2 / N3 / N4 

"

 

The Japanes JIS C8711: 2006 standard has the following designation:  

"Battery shall be designated with the following form: 

A1 A2 A3 N2 / N3 / N4

Cells shall be designated with the following form: 

N1 A1 A2 A3 N2 / N3 / N4 –N5

"

 

Do I miss any amendment or correction to either standard?

 

Thank you and look forward to your help.

Best regards,

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RE: Pakistan requirements for telecom TTE?

[Ron Pickard, RPQ]

Hi Joe,

 

You should be able to find what you’re looking for on/from the PAKISTAN
TELECOMMUNICATION AUTHORITY at www.pta.gov.pk <http://www.pta.gov.pk/> . With
the short list of equipment needing to be type approved there, you might not
need to go through it, but you’ll need to consult with the PTA get any
updated info. Please note that that market was recently deregulated, but
licenses might still be quite expensive. However, you may know this already.

 

I’m not sure I answered your question, but IHTH.

 

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From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Joe Randolph
Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 2:38 PM
To: emc-p...@ieee.org
Subject: Pakistan requirements for telecom TTE?

 

Hello All:

I'm trying to determine what requirements Pakistan has for telecom terminal
equipment for safety, EMC, and telecom.  So far I have not been able to come
up with much.  Any insight would be much appreciated.





Joe Randolph
Telecom Design Consultant
Randolph Telecom, Inc.
781-721-2848 (USA)
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RE: South Africa CB

[Ron Pickard, RPQ]

Hi Jim,

 

You will likely need to consult the CB Bulletin, which was very recently put
online. National differences, special conditions, etc details are available on
a subscription basis. The link is:

http://www.iec.ch/online_news/etech/arch_2008/etech_0408/ca_1.htm

 

IHTH.

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From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Goedderz, Jim
Sent: Monday, July 14, 2008 5:47 AM
To: emc-p...@ieee.org
Subject: RE: South Africa CB

 

You all know what it’s like trying to get something done in the final
minutes Friday. You forget to add critical data such as the standard is
60950-1.

Thank you again.

James Goedderz

Product Safety Engineer

Tyco/Sensormatic

561.912.6378

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From: Goedderz, Jim
Sent: Friday, July 11, 2008 4:33 PM
To: 'emc-p...@ieee.org'
Subject: South Africa CB

Group,

Can anyone inform me if there are “National Deviations” to the CB scheme
for South Africa?

Our customer is asking for a CB report, and I see that SA is a CB member, but
I don’t have any list of national deviations.  

Thank you for your support.

James Goedderz

Product Safety Engineer

Tyco/Sensormatic

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RE: CCC processes

[Ron Pickard, RPQ]

Hi Rich,

 

You might also want to visit www.ccc-us.com/index.html, which is in English
and provides a lot of useful CCC information.

 

IHTH.

 

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From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Don Gies
Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 7:04 AM
To: 'Rich Nute'; EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: RE: CCC processes

 

Hi Rich,

 

The US government has been very concerned with products exporting to China,

so they put together a very concise web page summarizing the CCC process:

 

http://www.mac.doc.gov/China/Docs/BusinessGuides/cccguide2.htm

 

It is in English, and it is a good launching pad to pertinent CCC sites.

 

Regards,

 

Don Gies, N.C.E

Senior Product Compliance Engineer

Alcatel-Lucent

Murray Hill, NJ  07974-0636 USA

 



From: Rich Nute [mailto:rn...@san.rr.com] 

Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 9:29 PM

To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG

Subject: CCC processes

 

Is there a good document (in English) on 

CCC processes?  How to do it?

 

Are there any agents in England who can 

assist or get CCC? 

 

 

Thanks for your help,

Richard Nute

San Diego

 

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RE: UL 2054 testing for lithium batteries

[Ron Pickard, RPQ]

Richard,

 

IMHO, if the lithium batteries are user replaceable (such as a removable
battery pack), then they would need to be separately approved to UL 2054. I
say that because in my experience, UL has required it in past Listing
efforts of products with them. And, if this is a cell phone application,
please note that the CTIA has recently imposed requirements for lithium
batteries.

Supporting this, from UL2054's scope:

 

- These requirements cover portable primary (nonrechargeable) and secondary
(rechargeable) batteries for use as power sources in products. These
batteries consist of either a single electrochemical cell or two or more
cells connected in series, parallel, or both, that convert chemical energy
into electrical energy by chemical reaction.

- These requirements are intended to reduce the risk of fire or explosion
when batteries are used in a product. The proper use of these batteries in a
particular application is dependent on their use in a complete product that
complies with the requirements applicable to such a product.

- These requirements are intended to cover batteries for general use and do
not include the combination of the battery and the host product which are
covered by requirements in the host product

standard.

- These requirements are also intended to reduce the risk of injury to
persons due to fire or explosion when batteries are removed from a product
to be transported, stored, or discarded.

- These requirements do not cover the toxicity risk that results from the
ingestion of a battery or its contents, nor the risk of injury to persons
that occurs if a battery is cut open to provide access to its contents.

 

The battery manufacturer would quite likely be already aware of all of this.
They would be the one to approach for getting this work done.

 

Also, in addition to what Brian stated about shipping, the US and
international shipping authorities have specific testing and labeling
requirements for lithium batteries or products containing lithium batteries.
Testing involves the UN T1-T8 tests.

 

IHTH.

 

Best regards,

 

Ron Pickard

RPQ Consulting

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From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Brian
O'Connell
Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 7:21 AM
To: 'emc-p...@ieee.org'
Subject: RE: UL 2054 testing for lithium batteries

 

The following are personal opinions only.

 

In general, conformity to the applicable standard is always

"necessary"; but not always 'required'. In any case, note that UL

1642 is scoped specifically for Li batteries

 

In particular, 'it depends'. Is the charger and end-use

installation a fire or shock hazard if a battery, dies a violent

death ? Is there any normal or abnormal operating condition in

the charger or the end-use install that could result in battery

damage/explosion/fire ?

 

Also, there are separate DOT requirements for the shipment of

some types of Lithium batteries.

 

luck,

Brian 

 



From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org]On Behalf Of

Gartman, Richard

Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 6:51 AM

To: emc-p...@ieee.org

Subject: RE: UL 2054 testing for lithium batteries

 

I am looking for when UL 2054 testing is necessary for

rechargeable lithium batteries?

 

Required on cell phone batteries?

Required on consumer electronic? 

 

All perspectives on rechargeable lithium batteries are welcome.

 

Thank you 

W. Richard Gartman, MS, CSP

 

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RE: EMC Standards for Contactless Card Readers

[Ron Pickard, RPQ]

Hi Craig,

 

Your friend will need to look at ETSI EN 300330.

 

IHTH.

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Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 6:19 AM
To: IEEE EMC & SAFETY PSTC
Subject: EMC Standards for Contactless Card Readers

 

On behalf of a friend, I am enquiring about what EMC standards would be
applicable in Europe for a Contactless Card Reader operating at 13.56Mhz.  

Could anyone be kind enough to advise? 

Regards, 
Craig 

Craig Petrie, Product Safety Engineer, 
NCR Financial Solutions Group Ltd., 
3rd Floor East, Discovery Centre, 
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RE: UL60950 vs. IEC 60950

[Ron Pickard, RPQ]

Hi Dave,

 

Technically speaking your subject line should’ve been UL60950-1 vs.
EN60950-1 given your query. Anyway, without going into detail you only have to
look at these standards to see the differences between them and from
IEC60950-1, in particular:

UL60950-1: Preface listing 6 types of deviations and Annexes NAA - NAE

EN60950-1: Annexes ZA - ZC

 

Actually, a CB Scheme investigation against IEC60950-1 addressing all national
deviations should be the basis of acceptance in both the US and the EU.

 

If you would like to discuss this further off-line, please let me know.

 

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From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of
david.cole...@selex-comms.com
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2008 6:06 AM
To: emc-p...@ieee.org
Subject: UL60950 vs. IEC 60950

 


Sorry if this has been asked before, but can anyone point me to a comparison
of these two standards, highlighting any significant differences? 

Is there any significant reason why compliance with UL60950 cannot be used to
show compliance with the LVD for CE marking? 

Any help appreciated, 

Best Regards,
Dave Coleman AIIRSM
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RE: Safety regulations

[Ron Pickard, RPQ]

Hi Benoit,

 

You state that the built-in power supply is “fully listed and approved by UL
or CSA or ETL or any NRTL” (I’m not sure what that statement actually
means). Generally, such a power supply is not Listed, but is a Recognized
Component and as such it likely has Conditions of Acceptability associated
with the Recognition meaning that the power supply must have those conditions
addressed in the end system by the system manufacturer to satisfy those safety
concerns. 

 

I am a bit amazed that OSHA regulations haven’t been brought into this
discussion before this, but as a “card cage” type of product, is this
product intended to be marketed within the US workplace and is it not
considered to be a consumer product? If so, then OSHA regulations from 29CFR
Part 1910 Subpart S would apply. Regardless of circuit class and excerpt from
29CFR Part 1910 Subpart S (1910.399) specifically states:

 

“Acceptable. An installation or equipment is acceptable to the Assistant
Secretary of Labor, and approved within the meaning of this Subpart S:

(1) If it is accepted, or certified, or listed, or labeled, or otherwise
determined to be safe by a nationally recognized testing laboratory recognized
pursuant to § 1910.7; or

(2) With respect to an installation or equipment of a kind that no nationally
recognized testing laboratory accepts, certifies, lists, labels, or determines
to be safe, if it is inspected or tested by another Federal agency, or by a
State, municipal, or other local authority responsible for enforcing
occupational safety provisions of the National Electrical Code, and found in
compliance with the provisions of the National Electrical Code as applied in
this subpart; or

(3) With respect to custom-made equipment or related installations that are
designed, fabricated for, and intended for use by a particular customer, if it
is determined to be safe for its intended use by its manufacturer on the basis
of test data which the employer keeps and makes available for inspection to
the Assistant Secretary and his authorized representatives.”

 

So, if the “whole new product” is to be intended for the US workplace,
then any of the 3 conditions above must be applied. Marketing such a system
into the workplace without first being acceptable to OSHA could introduce
liability(ies) to the marketer/integrator. And, consumer products don’t need
to adhere to OSHA regulations, but it would be wise to exercise due diligence
in regard to this product’s safety to reduce any safety liabilities to the
user, integrator and/or marketer.

 

Please note that this is pure speculation (educated guess?) since there was
not enough information provided in your original product description to
formulate a sound response.

 

Comments?

 

Best regards,

 

Ron Pickard
RPQ Consulting
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From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Benoit Nadeau
Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 6:38 AM
To: EMC-PSTC
Subject: Safety regulations

 

Bonjour,

 

I’m much more fluent in EMC than safety and this is why I respectfully seek
advice in this matter.

 

I have a question coming from the designers and I’ve been looking in the US
regulations (the NEC mainly) to find the answer but I didn’t. I think this
is more like an interpretation than anything else.

 

So the question is:

 

If a PCB manufacturer buys a card cage that includes a fully listed power
supply (approved by UL or CSA or ETL or any NRTL), and stuff this cage with
his own PCBs (not listed) with no harmful external voltages or access to, and
resell this as a whole new product. Can he put that on the market without
having to re-list the new product as long as the markings on the power supply
are still visible from outside the box? 

 

For me this would be like having an external Power Supply that feeds very low
voltage to a box (like a laptop computer),

 

Thank you for the time you are going to take to answer this.

 

Regards,

 

 

==

Benoit Nadeau, ing. M.ing.

Gérant du Groupe Conformité (Conformity Group Manager)

Matrox

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Dorval (Québec)

Canada H9P 2T4

Tél: (514) 822-6000 (2475)

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