Re: [Emc-users] Bldc commutatation

2018-08-11 Thread Jon Elson
On 08/11/2018 08:03 PM, Gene Heskett wrote: On Saturday 11 August 2018 20:14:46 Jon Elson wrote: On 08/11/2018 03:37 PM, Gene Heskett wrote: On Saturday 11 August 2018 15:29:43 andy pugh wrote: On 11 August 2018 at 20:11, Gene Heskett wrote: Where can I find a tut on how the resolver

Re: [Emc-users] Bldc commutatation

2018-08-11 Thread Gene Heskett
On Saturday 11 August 2018 20:14:46 Jon Elson wrote: > On 08/11/2018 03:37 PM, Gene Heskett wrote: > > On Saturday 11 August 2018 15:29:43 andy pugh wrote: > >> On 11 August 2018 at 20:11, Gene Heskett > >> > >> wrote: > >>> Where can I find a tut on how the resolver works? > >> > >>

Re: [Emc-users] Bldc commutatation

2018-08-11 Thread Gene Heskett
On Saturday 11 August 2018 17:02:49 andy pugh wrote: > On 11 August 2018 at 21:37, Gene Heskett wrote: > > Quite simplified, covers the basics but makes little or no mention > > of the resolvers speed limits. So in both cases, the encoder is > > king, and much cheaper to implement. > > Resolvers

Re: [Emc-users] Bldc commutatation

2018-08-11 Thread Jon Elson
On 08/11/2018 03:37 PM, Gene Heskett wrote: On Saturday 11 August 2018 15:29:43 andy pugh wrote: On 11 August 2018 at 20:11, Gene Heskett wrote: Where can I find a tut on how the resolver works? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resolver_(electrical) Quite simplified, covers the basics but

Re: [Emc-users] Bldc commutatation

2018-08-11 Thread Jon Elson
On 08/11/2018 02:29 PM, andy pugh wrote: On 11 August 2018 at 20:11, Gene Heskett wrote: Where can I find a tut on how the resolver works? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resolver_(electrical) Also, you can look at the Analog Devices 2S1200 chip, which is one classical way to get info from

Re: [Emc-users] resolvers vs encoders was: Bldc commutatation

2018-08-11 Thread Gene Heskett
On Saturday 11 August 2018 16:46:27 jeremy youngs wrote: > On Sat, Aug 11, 2018, 3:32 PM Gene Heskett wrote: > > On Saturday 11 August 2018 15:24:17 Ken Strauss wrote: > > > I was also curious and found > > > https://www.motioncontroltips.com/faq-why-are-so-many-designers-re > > >plac ing-re

Re: [Emc-users] Bldc commutatation

2018-08-11 Thread jeremy youngs
On Sat, Aug 11, 2018, 4:09 PM andy pugh wrote: > > Yes, in "a" mode the bldc component can be used to convert resolver > angle to commutation signals. > Sweet > Did your motor and drive start off life together? No , I totally lucked into this motor from my favorite surplus outlet at $200 to

Re: [Emc-users] Bldc commutatation

2018-08-11 Thread Eric Keller
On Sat, Aug 11, 2018 at 4:37 PM Gene Heskett wrote: > > Quite simplified, covers the basics but makes little or no mention of the > resolvers speed limits. So in both cases, the encoder is king, and much > cheaper to implement. > > I only have resolvers because I got them used, so encoders

Re: [Emc-users] Has anyone played around with this: Pi-paraport

2018-08-11 Thread andy pugh
On 10 August 2018 at 01:30, Greg Bentzinger via Emc-users wrote: > Has anyone played around with this: Pi-paraport I made some of these, and gave them away at the Wichita fest: https://photos.app.goo.gl/vi8GJQZfBKV94jnH8 I am currently trying to get the Machinekit Pi GPIO driver to compile on

Re: [Emc-users] Bldc commutatation

2018-08-11 Thread andy pugh
On 11 August 2018 at 21:41, jeremy youngs wrote: > 7i49, budget don't allow for it for a few weeks . I am busy in the shop > with big jobs , yes I have contemplated the 7i49 . Can the communication > signal be derived from the 7i49 ? If so then it's likely that will be my > eventuality. Yes, in

Re: [Emc-users] Bldc commutatation

2018-08-11 Thread andy pugh
On 11 August 2018 at 21:37, Gene Heskett wrote: > Quite simplified, covers the basics but makes little or no mention of the > resolvers speed limits. So in both cases, the encoder is king, and much > cheaper to implement. Resolvers are absolute and much tougher. As for speed limits, that really

Re: [Emc-users] resolvers vs encoders was: Bldc commutatation

2018-08-11 Thread jeremy youngs
On Sat, Aug 11, 2018, 3:32 PM Gene Heskett wrote: > On Saturday 11 August 2018 15:24:17 Ken Strauss wrote: > > > I was also curious and found > > https://www.motioncontroltips.com/faq-why-are-so-many-designers-replac > >ing-re solvers-with-encoders/ > > Some excellent discussions there Ken,

Re: [Emc-users] Bldc commutatation

2018-08-11 Thread jeremy youngs
7i49, budget don't allow for it for a few weeks . I am busy in the shop with big jobs , yes I have contemplated the 7i49 . Can the communication signal be derived from the 7i49 ? If so then it's likely that will be my eventuality. Correct me if I'm wrong been hashing docs in my spare time. 1 open

Re: [Emc-users] Bldc commutatation

2018-08-11 Thread Gene Heskett
On Saturday 11 August 2018 15:29:43 andy pugh wrote: > On 11 August 2018 at 20:11, Gene Heskett wrote: > > Where can I find a tut on how the resolver works? > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resolver_(electrical) Quite simplified, covers the basics but makes little or no mention of the

Re: [Emc-users] resolvers vs encoders was: Bldc commutatation

2018-08-11 Thread Gene Heskett
On Saturday 11 August 2018 15:24:17 Ken Strauss wrote: > I was also curious and found > https://www.motioncontroltips.com/faq-why-are-so-many-designers-replac >ing-re solvers-with-encoders/ Some excellent discussions there Ken, thank you. One thing that was mentioned in another page there but

Re: [Emc-users] Bldc commutatation

2018-08-11 Thread andy pugh
On 11 August 2018 at 20:11, Gene Heskett wrote: > Where can I find a tut on how the resolver works? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resolver_(electrical) -- atp "A motorcycle is a bicycle with a pandemonium attachment and is designed for the especial use of mechanical geniuses, daredevils and

Re: [Emc-users] Bldc commutatation

2018-08-11 Thread Ken Strauss
I was also curious and found https://www.motioncontroltips.com/faq-why-are-so-many-designers-replacing-re solvers-with-encoders/ > -Original Message- > From: Gene Heskett [mailto:ghesk...@shentel.net] > Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2018 3:12 PM > To: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net >

Re: [Emc-users] Bldc commutatation

2018-08-11 Thread Gene Heskett
On Saturday 11 August 2018 15:03:28 andy pugh wrote: > On 11 August 2018 at 19:48, jeremy youngs wrote: > > I am planning on ignoring them at this time . I have a cui encoder > > that can go on it. > > Does the budget extend to a 7i49? > > You can probably use a pair of 7i49 analogue outputs per

Re: [Emc-users] Bldc commutatation

2018-08-11 Thread andy pugh
On 11 August 2018 at 19:48, jeremy youngs wrote: > I am planning on ignoring them at this time . I have a cui encoder that can > go on it. Does the budget extend to a 7i49? You can probably use a pair of 7i49 analogue outputs per drive to create the two phase voltages. (and use the inputs to

Re: [Emc-users] Bldc commutatation

2018-08-11 Thread jeremy youngs
I am planning on ignoring them at this time . I have a cui encoder that can go on it. On Sat, Aug 11, 2018, 1:24 PM andy pugh wrote: > On 10 August 2018 at 23:11, jeremy youngs wrote: > > Good day gents. Trying to get a handle on sinusoidal commutatation. I > need > > 2 pins 0-5 volt 120

Re: [Emc-users] Bldc commutatation

2018-08-11 Thread andy pugh
On 10 August 2018 at 23:11, jeremy youngs wrote: > Good day gents. Trying to get a handle on sinusoidal commutatation. I need > 2 pins 0-5 volt 120 degrees out of phase to commutate my drive . > http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/html/man/man9/bldc.9.html#OPERATING%20MODES > I find this in the docs ,