Re: [Emc-users] Has anyone ever done a Kitamura MyCenter/EMC conversion?

2009-11-02 Thread robert
Any guesses whether something was there? I had some trouble getting stable velocity loops, and it makes me wonder. our Mitsubishi servo amps where the same, the tach went to a board which then passed it onto the AMPs, tracing it through on the boards it was just a pass through on the

Re: [Emc-users] Has anyone ever done a Kitamura MyCenter/EMC conversion?

2009-11-02 Thread Ray Henry
I've seen Mazak do this pass through using the Mitsubishi drives and amps. It was a convenience wiring thing. The Mazak that we converted used Fanuc drives and did not have tachs on the motors. For that the encoder signals went to the control and it created a tach signal for the drives. SteveS

Re: [Emc-users] Has anyone ever done a Kitamura?MyCenter/EMC?conversion?

2009-11-02 Thread Jon Elson
kestreltom wrote: Hey Jon, Perhaps you have a pre-release secret URL ;-) on the Pico website where I can check out the converters and brushless drives for Fanuc Red Cap motors? I didn't see any mention of Red Cap hardware on the site the last time I checked. Certainly an oversight on

Re: [Emc-users] Has anyone ever done a Kitamura?MyCenter/EMC?conversion?

2009-11-01 Thread Jon Elson
sam sokolik wrote: Hey! Did you end up using your home made pwm drives? Me? My Bridgeport has been running on my second-generation PWM drive with analog front end since 1999 or so. (I had an earlier one with the Harris HIP4080 chip that kept blowing, I eventually replicated most of that

Re: [Emc-users] Has anyone ever done a Kitamura MyCenter/EMC conversion?

2009-10-31 Thread Ray Henry
On Fri, 2009-10-30 at 22:11 -0500, Jon Elson wrote: Ray Henry did most of the work in setting up the tool change logic in Classic Ladder. I must confess that I had a lot of help from my friends. The intent of those stalwarts was to match up EMC2 with a machining center as a proof of ability.

Re: [Emc-users] Has anyone ever done a Kitamura MyCenter/EMC conversion?

2009-10-31 Thread Chris Radek
On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 10:11:49PM -0500, Jon Elson wrote: One thing that has been common in the Fanuc systems is they use servo amps that need velocity feedback from the motors, but they don't have tachs on them. The controller synthesizes an analog velocity signal from the encoder and

Re: [Emc-users] Has anyone ever done?a?Kitamura?MyCenter/EMC?conversion?

2009-10-31 Thread Chris Radek
On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 04:28:34AM +, kestreltom wrote: I checked out that photo again and noticed that the machine is positioned directly under a skylight. It looks as if you turned the problem of height clearance into a natural lighting feature. Very elegant solution! That skylight

Re: [Emc-users] Has anyone ever done a Kitamura MyCenter/EMC conversion?

2009-10-31 Thread Jon Elson
kestreltom wrote: a friend of mine bought a Mycenter 0 with a Fanuc 0M controller and does not have any schematics for the power supply, amps, main controller, etc. During the boot sequence, some of the internal boards light up their leds, but the control panel crt never light up or

Re: [Emc-users] Has anyone ever done a Kitamura?MyCenter/EMC?conversion?

2009-10-31 Thread Jon Elson
kestreltom wrote: I checked out that photo again and noticed that the machine is positioned directly under a skylight. It looks as if you turned the problem of height clearance into a natural lighting feature. Very elegant solution! Darn, there are no skylights in my basement! I've

Re: [Emc-users] Has anyone ever done a Kitamura MyCenter/EMC conversion?

2009-10-31 Thread Jon Elson
Ray Henry wrote: and rewired most all of the machine from the most distant screw terminals to the new boards. (These old Mazak machines had lots of screw terminals between sensors and actuators and the M6 control) The amount of wiring and terminal boards on that thing was totally

Re: [Emc-users] Has anyone ever done a Kitamura MyCenter/EMC conversion?

2009-10-31 Thread Jon Elson
Chris Radek wrote: On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 10:11:49PM -0500, Jon Elson wrote: One thing that has been common in the Fanuc systems is they use servo amps that need velocity feedback from the motors, but they don't have tachs on them. The controller synthesizes an analog velocity signal

Re: [Emc-users] Has anyone ever done a Kitamura?MyCenter/EMC?conversion?

2009-10-31 Thread sam sokolik
Hey! Did you end up using your home made pwm drives? (samco on cnczone) sam kestreltom wrote: Jon Elson el...@... wriotes: Darn, there are no skylights in my basement! I've wondered if a slightly taller machine could be positioned just under the right spot under a kitchen cabinet,

Re: [Emc-users] Has anyone ever done a Kitamura?MyCenter/EMC?conversion?

2009-10-31 Thread Jon Elson
kestreltom wrote: During the summer months this can be beguiling, but come winter I dream of insulation and sheetrock. I am SOOO glad I have my machines in the basement. It can get just a little chilly down there in the winter, but it is better for the machines to not have wild

[Emc-users] Has anyone ever done a Kitamura MyCenter/EMC conversion?

2009-10-30 Thread kestreltom
I just read some of Ted's Tsugami Lathe retrofit blog, and it got me thinking about the issues surrounding an EMC conversion of a sophisticated, toolchange machine (in this case a Kitamura MyCenter 0) example: http://cgi.ebay.com/Kitamura-Mycenter-

Re: [Emc-users] Has anyone ever done a Kitamura MyCenter/EMC conversion?

2009-10-30 Thread Chris Radek
On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 07:11:12PM +, kestreltom wrote: I have been eyeing these machines with the thought of converting one someday. Has anyone ever done an EMC conversion on a machine like this? Are the Fanuc controllers completely inscrutable? That looks like a simple 3 axis mill

Re: [Emc-users] Has anyone ever done a Kitamura MyCenter/EMC conversion?

2009-10-30 Thread Jon Elson
kestreltom wrote: I just read some of Ted's Tsugami Lathe retrofit blog, and it got me thinking about the issues surrounding an EMC conversion of a sophisticated, toolchange machine (in this case a Kitamura MyCenter 0) example: http://cgi.ebay.com/Kitamura-Mycenter-

Re: [Emc-users] Has anyone ever done a Kitamura MyCenter/EMC conversion?

2009-10-30 Thread Gary Corlew
Radek [mailto:ch...@timeguy.com] Sent: Friday, October 30, 2009 3:47 PM To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Has anyone ever done a Kitamura MyCenter/EMC conversion? On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 07:11:12PM +, kestreltom wrote: I have been eyeing these machines

Re: [Emc-users] Has anyone ever done a Kitamura MyCenter/ EMC conversion?

2009-10-30 Thread kestreltom
Chris Radek ch...@... writes: That looks like a simple 3 axis mill with an arm tool changer. I just converted a little VMC a lot like it. Coincidentally it also originally had a Yasnac control. Mine is mid-80s, this is early-90s era - not sure what the differences would be.

Re: [Emc-users] Has anyone ever done a Kitamura MyCenter/EMC conversion?

2009-10-30 Thread Chris Radek
On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 10:11:49PM -0500, Jon Elson wrote: The EMC crew did a Mazak Micro-Center V at Roland Freistad's shop in Galesburg, IL some years ago. It had an insanely complex toolchanger system, I don't want to minimize the great work done in the early days of EMC2 on that

Re: [Emc-users] Has anyone ever done a Kitamura MyCenter/EMC conversion?

2009-10-30 Thread Chris Radek
On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 05:45:49PM -0400, Gary Corlew wrote: Nice looking machine Chris! Do you have any other pics of it?. The Haas machine with side tool changers work exactly like you describe, you look at what pocket# the tool is in that you want and then go to a settings screen to find

Re: [Emc-users] Has anyone ever done a Kitamura?MyCenter/EMC?conversion?

2009-10-30 Thread Chris Radek
On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 03:29:43AM +, kestreltom wrote: http://timeguy.com/cradek-files/emc/jr.jpg Wow - a Mori Seiki w/ EMC2 controller, vey nice! Good eye - I did not mean to hide the logo - paint job isn't going to be done this year. It is an MV Jr. Do the older Mori vmcs

Re: [Emc-users] Has anyone ever done a Kitamura MyCenter/EMC conversion?

2009-10-30 Thread Kirk Wallace
On Fri, 2009-10-30 at 22:37 -0500, Chris Radek wrote: On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 05:45:49PM -0400, Gary Corlew wrote: Nice looking machine Chris! Do you have any other pics of it?. The Haas machine with side tool changers work exactly like you describe, you look at what pocket# the tool is in

Re: [Emc-users] Has anyone ever done a Kitamura MyCenter/EMC conversion?

2009-10-30 Thread Kirk Wallace
On Fri, 2009-10-30 at 21:23 -0700, Kirk Wallace wrote: ... snip Good work, Chris. I saw a video from Haas showing off their tool management software, which allowed for alternate equivalent tools. When the CNC sensed a worn tool, or a trip point from a table was reached, it would automatically