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r of > the > > > box stock. Reading the forums, it seems that isn't possible (talk of > local > > > coordinate systems, but no implementation). > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: Todd Zuercher [mailto:to...@pgrahamdunn.com] > >

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n to the bottom-left top corner of the > > box stock. Reading the forums, it seems that isn't possible (talk of local > > coordinate systems, but no implementation). > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Todd Zuercher [mailto:to...@pgrahamdunn.com] > >

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(EMC)' Subject: Re: [Emc-users] SPAM: Re: freecad, latest, starter tut? [EXTERNAL EMAIL] Be sure links are safe. I was impressed that FreeCAD could import lots of different CAD formats. I tried to use the CAM (Path) on an old STEP file, but I couldn't work out how to orient my part, an

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[mailto:to...@pgrahamdunn.com] > Sent: Tuesday, 22 September 2020 4:51 AM > To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] SPAM: Re: freecad, latest, starter tut? > > Generating g-code with Freecad is a bit of an arduous process. > Especially for the first time.

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Generating g-code with Freecad is a bit of an arduous process. Especially for the first time. After you've made your 3d model, you have to convert that drawing into a part, then you have to create a Job amd set up your tool library, then add the tools to the Job, then configure the machine dri

Re: [Emc-users] SPAM: Re: precisiomn indexer

On Sunday 30 August 2020 06:16:13 Gene Heskett wrote: > On Sunday 30 August 2020 03:22:07 Gene Heskett wrote: > > On Sunday 30 August 2020 02:08:19 Chris Albertson wrote: > > > It is hard to know what is happening without looking at the file > > > but I think you would want to... > > > > > > infil

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On Sunday 30 August 2020 03:22:07 Gene Heskett wrote: > On Sunday 30 August 2020 02:08:19 Chris Albertson wrote: > > It is hard to know what is happening without looking at the file but > > I think you would want to... > > > > infill / Connect infill lines (turn this on) > > Shell / Alternate extr

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Infill overlap percentage. https://support.ultimaker.com/hc/en-us/articles/360012607079-Infill-settings On Saturday, August 29, 2020, 10:43:03 PM MDT, Gene Heskett wrote: On Sunday 30 August 2020 00:03:58 Chris Albertson wrote: > Do the same as the printed timing pulleys.  Make the

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On Sunday 30 August 2020 02:08:19 Chris Albertson wrote: > It is hard to know what is happening without looking at the file but I > think you would want to... > > infill / Connect infill lines (turn this on) > Shell / Alternate extra wall (turn this on) They were both off. So I added a wall, turn

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It is hard to know what is happening without looking at the file but I think you would want to... infill / Connect infill lines (turn this on) Shell / Alternate extra wall (turn this on) Doing this will certainly add more material > > But now I have a question for the cura 4.7.0 experts. The ins

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On Sunday 30 August 2020 00:03:58 Chris Albertson wrote: > Do the same as the printed timing pulleys. Make the center of the hub > in steel and epoxy the steel to the plastic. You may need to bore out > the plastic > Probably, and that will involve finding a better actual center than currentlty

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Do the same as the printed timing pulleys. Make the center of the hub in steel and epoxy the steel to the plastic. You may need to bore out the plastic Next problem? Getting a decent grip on the motor shaft as its only a 5mm > shaft. And PLA has proved its not sturdy enough in one bearing carrie

Re: [Emc-users] SPAM: Re: precisiomn indexer

On Saturday 29 August 2020 13:51:45 andy pugh wrote: > On Sat, 29 Aug 2020 at 18:32, Chris Albertson wrote: > > It computes flex based on applied force and will colormap > > elongation. > > Yes, but in this case we want to apply a deformation at the flex gear > and see what the stress is at the

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On Sat, 29 Aug 2020 at 18:32, Chris Albertson wrote: > It computes flex based on applied force and will colormap elongation. Yes, but in this case we want to apply a deformation at the flex gear and see what the stress is at the bottom. There is a risk in making FEA as easy as Fusion does, it h

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On Saturday 29 August 2020 11:38:30 Chris Albertson wrote: > Andy, > > Did you run this through FEA Stress analysis?It only takes about > 15 minutes and will tell you if the flexibility is evenly disturbed > and maybe help locate a failure point. > > This is one of the neat features of Fusion

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On Sat, 29 Aug 2020 at 16:41, Chris Albertson wrote: > Did you run this through FEA Stress analysis? I didn't. But I don't think that the Fusion solver is suitable for the analysis. The required analysis is what the stress would be for an applied strain. That's not what the Fusion solver appears

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Andy, Did you run this through FEA Stress analysis?It only takes about 15 minutes and will tell you if the flexibility is evenly disturbed and maybe help locate a failure point. This is one of the neat features of Fusion 360 but unfortunately the system assumes your material is uniform and pr

Re: [Emc-users] SPAM: Re: precisiomn indexer

On Saturday 29 August 2020 06:37:05 andy pugh wrote: > On Sat, 29 Aug 2020 at 05:35, Greg Bernard wrote: > > Have you considered having the flex gear part printed by one of the > > 3d printing services in nylon? > > Alternatively, here is a redesign of the flex gear designed to be more > complia

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On Sat, 29 Aug 2020 at 05:35, Greg Bernard wrote: > Have you considered having the flex gear part printed by one of the 3d > printing services in nylon? Alternatively, here is a redesign of the flex gear designed to be more compliant (but with the extra walls of the spokes, maybe also stronger)

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On Friday 28 August 2020 21:53:50 Greg Bernard wrote: > Have you considered having the flex gear part printed by one of the 3d > printing services in nylon? You could then print all the other parts > yourself to fit. Most of the services can give you a quote if you send > a file. I'm about 1mm fr

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Have you considered having the flex gear part printed by one of the 3d printing services in nylon? You could then print all the other parts yourself to fit. Most of the services can give you a quote if you send a file. On Fri, Aug 28, 2020, 4:55 PM Gene Heskett wrote: > On Friday 28 August 202

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On Friday 28 August 2020 16:04:11 Chris Albertson wrote: > Gene, > > I thought you had the STEP file for this. If you did not download > it, I did and you can have my copy of it here > https://a360.co/2EHlpMr > I do have it, but opening it with the latest freecad, does not get me down into it t

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Gene, I thought you had the STEP file for this. If you did not download it, I did and you can have my copy of it here https://a360.co/2EHlpMr I've been reading about printable harmonic drives and the best idea I found is to use a stainless steel drinking cup as the flex cup (after cutting off t

Re: [Emc-users] SPAM: Re: precisiomn indexer

On Friday 28 August 2020 12:36:07 Todd Zuercher wrote: > If you think about it the metal toothed cups used in harmonic drives, > have to flex in a rather nasty way (it is a little more than just > squeezing the mouth into an oval). I'm surprised they last as long as > they do. I'm not surprised y

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If you think about it the metal toothed cups used in harmonic drives, have to flex in a rather nasty way (it is a little more than just squeezing the mouth into an oval). I'm surprised they last as long as they do. I'm not surprised you are having cracking problems with the pla. What is the di

Re: [Emc-users] SPAM: Re: Retrofit Candidate?

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On Wed, 8 Jul 2020 at 19:03, Todd Zuercher wrote: > No you would not have to do this in an inert atmosphere. The only difficult > part would be collecting all the chips. I would expect that the newly-cut surface is hermetically sealed to the cutting edge until it isn't, and then it isn't damag

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Re: [Emc-users] SPAM: Re: missing feature of openscad

>On Monday 01 June 2020 01:02:01 Gene Heskett wrote: > >> On Sunday 31 May 2020 22:58:31 Chris Albertson wrote: >> >> Second, my testing for motor heating may not have been close enough to >> stopped as I was just turning the speed down to about a tick a second >> from the generator which may not

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On 5/19/20 5:09 PM, andy pugh wrote: On Tue, 19 May 2020 at 21:35, Todd Zuercher wrote: Are you sure your 40 amp SSR was what it claimed it was. I recall someone on this list telling a story about how he opened up some inexpensive SSRs to find woefully under spec-ed internal components (li

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On Wed, 20 May 2020 at 00:36, Gene Heskett wrote: > > I had some 40A SSRs with a 15A device inside that blew at 2A. > > Do you recall the brand label? The label was "Fotek" But I doubt that they were by Fotek. -- atp "A motorcycle is a bicycle with a pandemonium attachment and is designed for

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On Tuesday 19 May 2020 18:09:37 andy pugh wrote: > On Tue, 19 May 2020 at 21:35, Todd Zuercher wrote: > > Are you sure your 40 amp SSR was what it claimed it was. I recall > > someone on this list telling a story about how he opened up some > > inexpensive SSRs to find woefully under spec-ed

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On Tue, 19 May 2020 at 21:35, Todd Zuercher wrote: > > Are you sure your 40 amp SSR was what it claimed it was. I recall someone > on this list telling a story about how he opened up some inexpensive SSRs to > find woefully under spec-ed internal components (like 1/4th the units rated > capa

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On Tuesday 19 May 2020 14:01:23 Todd Zuercher wrote: > Are you sure your 40 amp SSR was what it claimed it was. I recall > someone on this list telling a story about how he opened up some > inexpensive SSRs to find woefully under spec-ed internal components > (like 1/4th the units rated capacit

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Re: [Emc-users] [SPAM] Re: Induction heating small parts

On Thursday 25 May 2017 04:41:28 andy pugh wrote: > On 25 May 2017 at 02:25, Dave Cole wrote: > > Andy, did you acquire those tankards from the local pewter tankard > > recycling center? > > The more unfortunate members of this collection: > https://brendanball.files.wordpress.com/2011/10/img_296

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On 25 May 2017 at 02:25, Dave Cole wrote: > Andy, did you acquire those tankards from the local pewter tankard > recycling center? The more unfortunate members of this collection: https://brendanball.files.wordpress.com/2011/10/img_2965.jpg There is one for every student union officer or club cap

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Andy, did you acquire those tankards from the local pewter tankard recycling center?And you volunteered to help with repairs? Unusual.. Likely so. :-) Dave On 5/24/2017 7:07 PM, andy pugh wrote: > So, I got one of these, and it is fun. > > But, I want to use it to heat the bases of pew

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On Wednesday 24 May 2017 19:07:31 andy pugh wrote: > So, I got one of these, and it is fun. > > But, I want to use it to heat the bases of pewter tankards to > de-solder a ring and replace broken glass bases. > > I have about 100 to fix. I sometimes wonder if I lead an unusual life. > :-) I've be

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So, I got one of these, and it is fun. But, I want to use it to heat the bases of pewter tankards to de-solder a ring and replace broken glass bases. I have about 100 to fix. I sometimes wonder if I lead an unusual life. :-) Anyway, to do that job (and I have proved that the supplied coil does m

Re: [Emc-users] [SPAM] Re: Anyone done an ATC?

A router ATC doesn't need to be a tool changer or even an active component. I've seen videos of ones where there's just a rack with slots for each tool and the router gantry and tool changer spindle do all the work. For tool lengths, that's what a tool table is for. You set a base tool length an

Re: [Emc-users] [SPAM] Re: Anyone done an ATC?

I wanted to get an ORAC lathe until I found a teardown and rebuild forum thread on one. They're a Compact 8 clone and the back third or so of the cross slide is cut off so they don't have much travel. On Friday, May 12, 2017, 7:38:27 AM MDT, andy pugh wrote:On 12 May 2017 at 13:16, Les Newell

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Works similar to the turret for the Compact 5 CNC and PC lathes. They turn one way with a ratchet pawl then back up against it. On Friday, May 12, 2017, 6:23:10 AM MDT, Les Newell wrote:Hi Gregg, The ATC on my lathe is a turret I originally made for a Denford Orac (a small education CNC lathe

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Me, personally, I'm specifically looking at ATCs for routers, very different as we have to go to tool holder, release, grab, and work out the new tool length. Probably more important, the initial ATC spindle selection. I'm a bit confused what all is on the market and "worth it". Danny a

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On 12 May 2017 at 13:16, Les Newell wrote: > The ATC on my lathe is a turret I originally made for a Denford Orac (a > small education CNC lathe). There is a specific HAL component for that tool changer, and for a couple of closely-related ones. http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Contribut

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Hi Gregg, The ATC on my lathe is a turret I originally made for a Denford Orac (a small education CNC lathe). It has 6 tools on a disc with a 6 position ratchet. A motor rotates the disc forwards to select the tool then backs up onto the ratchet to hold the tool in place. There is a microswi

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On 3 April 2017 at 16:26, Gene Heskett wrote: > pi@raspberrypi I forgot that part. -- atp "A motorcycle is a bicycle with a pandemonium attachment and is designed for the especial use of mechanical geniuses, daredevils and lunatics." — George Fitch, Atlanta Constitution Newspaper, 1916 ---

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On Monday 03 April 2017 11:20:01 andy pugh wrote: > On 3 April 2017 at 16:04, Gene Heskett wrote: > > It is on both wheezy and jessie, no gtk2 stuffs are available in the > > repo's. > > I have Glade on Wheezy. It's just a case of sudo apt-get install > glade-gtk2. On the pi: pi@raspberrypi:~/l

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On 3 April 2017 at 16:04, Gene Heskett wrote: > It is on both wheezy and jessie, no gtk2 stuffs are available in the > repo's. I have Glade on Wheezy. It's just a case of sudo apt-get install glade-gtk2. -- atp "A motorcycle is a bicycle with a pandemonium attachment and is designed for the esp

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On Tuesday 28 March 2017 10:36:50 Todd Zuercher wrote: > This morning one of the machine operators ran an update on a machine > that had been working fine yesterday. The machine is an older Lucid > install with Linuxcnc 2.7.8. > It looks to me like the problem has something to do with the Gladevcp

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I know linuxcnc does not work with latest version of glade but not much more. On Tue, 28 Mar 2017 10:36:50 -0400 (EDT) "Todd Zuercher" wrote: > This morning one of the machine operators ran an update on a machine that had > been working fine yesterday. > The machine is an

[Emc-users] [SPAM] Gladevcp Problem?

This morning one of the machine operators ran an update on a machine that had been working fine yesterday. The machine is an older Lucid install with Linuxcnc 2.7.8. It looks to me like the problem has something to do with the Gladevcp, but it had been working before. Anyone know what the update

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On 31.07.16 12:01, Gene Heskett wrote: > > Here is one of that general appearance, without the motor on the top. > > Very nice - it'd make 3 single

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On mine, I simply pushed the Switching to EMC. Toggling F2 enables and disables the ICR. When running, all axes are enabled. Not perfect but it works for me. On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 9:26 PM, Jon Elson wrote: > BRIAN GLACKIN wrote: > > John, > > > > I am certainly no expert and defer to your e

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John, I am certainly no expert and defer to your expertise. I did not mean to imply that the motor lost steps, but meant it never received the step since it was consumed powering up the driver. I was bedeviled with my Z axis never keeping position (it either went too high or more often too low)

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