Re: [Emc-users] Stake in ball screw Cincinnati Arrow

<glackin.br...@gmail.com> To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) <emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net> Sent: Monday, February 29, 2016 6:25 AM Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Stake in ball screw Cincinnati Arrow A note on German wiring from the early 1990's.  At that time the Green Party came i

Re: [Emc-users] Stake in ball screw Cincinnati Arrow

It wasn't the recycling, but certain softening compounds in PVC were suspected to cause cancer and reduced by law. This war aimed at children's toys and other playstuff, but hit wire insulation as well (though nobody would use wire insulation for a lolly). Furthermore, machine oil and above

Re: [Emc-users] Stake in ball screw Cincinnati Arrow

On Monday 29 February 2016 08:51:03 Rick Lair wrote: > Aaaa, that makes sense then, > > Rick > I might throw in another observation I first made in the 1970's when CB radios from the J.A.Pan Co. started flooding the market. Any wire of asian origin, which has a bright red insulation,

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Aaaa, that makes sense then, Rick On 2/29/2016 8:25 AM, BRIAN GLACKIN wrote: > A note on German wiring from the early 1990's. At that time the Green > Party came in and pushed fro higher recycling. Many manufacturers went > with a higher recycled content in their wire insulation to meet

Re: [Emc-users] Stake in ball screw Cincinnati Arrow

A note on German wiring from the early 1990's. At that time the Green Party came in and pushed fro higher recycling. Many manufacturers went with a higher recycled content in their wire insulation to meet the edict. Mercedes Benz was one of the earliest hit by this change. Harness in the W124

Re: [Emc-users] Stake in ball screw Cincinnati Arrow

On 2/27/2016 8:04 AM, Dave Cole wrote: > The nut and screw are matched to each other and then they fit the nut to > the screw with the proper sized balls. > Usually they are purchased together as a set and you really don't want > to take them apart unless it is necessary. > You can have screws

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Thank you for the reply. I apologize to change the subject. I wasn't my intention, I have had a curiosity about this and you have cleared it up. Joe On Sat, Feb 27, 2016 at 11:01 AM, andy pugh wrote: > On 27 February 2016 at 14:47, Joe H <67p...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Andy, >

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@gmail.com>: > > >> > > >>> On Fanuc drives you need to be careful as bad or worn motor cable > > >>> insulation can easily take out a Fanuc drive. :-( > > >>> > > >>> Dave > > >>> > > >>> >

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> gantry router (only 10 years old). The insulation had hardened from > oil > >>> exposure, was badly cracked, and some of the conductors were broken. > >> Made > >>> for some rather erratic servo performance. > >>>> - Original Message

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On 27 February 2016 at 14:47, Joe H <67p...@gmail.com> wrote: > Andy, > You linked a site that sells ball nuts. Is it possible to change a ball nut > only, assuming the screw has even wear? If you can match the supplier, then possibly. Otherwise there is almost no chance of getting a good match.

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uctors were broken. >> Made >>> for some rather erratic servo performance. >>>> - Original Message - >>>> From: r...@superiorroll.com >>>> To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)" < >> emc-users@lists.sourc

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On 02/27/2016 03:47 PM, Joe H wrote: > You linked a site that sells ball nuts. Is it possible to change a ball nut > only, assuming the screw has even wear? I realize that there are there are > considerations for mounting and such, but I had the feeling that the screw > and the nut were made as a

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formance. > > > > > > - Original Message - > > > From: r...@superiorroll.com > > > To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)" < > emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > > > > > > Sent: Friday, February 26, 2016 4:49:47 PM > > &g

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for some rather erratic servo performance. > > > > - Original Message - > > From: r...@superiorroll.com > > To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)" <emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > > > > Sent: Friday, February 26, 2016 4:49:47 PM > > Subje

Re: [Emc-users] Stake in ball screw Cincinnati Arrow

lists.sourceforge.net> > Sent: Friday, February 26, 2016 4:49:47 PM > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Stake in ball screw Cincinnati Arrow > > I just replaced the power cables, not the encoder cables, and I didn't use > shielded cable, I used the same stuff that is pictured. I

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On 26 February 2016 at 21:31, Forum Deswysen wrote: > I have another problem: > > https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B5hmBjm5ot8NaTRkSlRWZVc4d2M > > I have a difference between 0.2-0.3 mm !!! That sounds about right for 10 degrees of play in the screw. The question now

Re: [Emc-users] Stake in ball screw Cincinnati Arrow

- From: r...@superiorroll.com To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)" <emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net> Sent: Friday, February 26, 2016 4:49:47 PM Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Stake in ball screw Cincinnati Arrow I just replaced the power cables, not the encoder cables, and I didn't use s

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I just replaced the power cables, not the encoder cables, and I didn't use shielded cable, I used the same stuff that is pictured. I used 12/4 AWG. Rick Original Message Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Stake in ball screw Cincinnati Arrow From: "Forum Deswysen" &l

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For Rick : A problem identified, thank you Rick. I will replace cables. You changed the power and encoder? Given the color and the type of cable, I do not think this is the original cable. For power, did you use shielded cable? What section did you use Andy: I have another problem:

Re: [Emc-users] Stake in ball screw Cincinnati Arrow

You are seeing pretty much exactly the same issues that I was having with both of my machines, you have the A2100 control, and that was the fault that I was getting on my machine, before I replaced the cables. That is definitely physical damage on the X axis cable, but the damage I am talking

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For Rick : Your reply came at once: I just found a fault in the power cable of the Y axis https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B5hmBjm5ot8NLXFFTXBMbmVuWVk For Andy : I will try now 2016-02-26 20:04 GMT+01:00 andy pugh : > On 26 February 2016 at 18:46, Forum Deswysen

Re: [Emc-users] Stake in ball screw Cincinnati Arrow

I asked for your help because I had an axis error "CR_AXES_RDY" that caused the shutdown of the machine: https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B5hmBjm5ot8NSFlVNFZ6OFFpOGc Before we heard creaking on the screw axis Z ??? Therefore first I thought of a default of the screw. It's not that. The servo

Re: [Emc-users] Stake in ball screw Cincinnati Arrow

On 26 February 2016 at 18:46, Forum Deswysen wrote: > I'm going to do tests with a comparator in the motor spindle. > Perfect, I no difference. > So all is well with the ball screw !!! I don't think you can necessarily say that with that test. You would need to try to

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What error are you getting on the control, what is the machine actually doing? I have the Sabre 750 which is a 1995 and has the A2100 control, and we also have a Lancer 1250 with the 850SX control, which is from 1996, the Sabre has the Kollmorgen drive package, and the Lancer has the Red Cap

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I'm going to do tests with a comparator in the motor spindle. Perfect, I no difference. So all is well with the ball screw !!! https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B5hmBjm5ot8NNGdkYmo4WHRSSXM https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B5hmBjm5ot8NanpxT1hzaGxsYTg

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With about 95% certainty, all the milacron, lathes and machining centers, the ball nuts all sit in and bolt to the mounting block ( we have at least a dozen Cincinnati Milacron machines, mix of lathes and mills, from 1978 to 1996, and they all have the same configuration, and I have worked on

Re: [Emc-users] Stake in ball screw Cincinnati Arrow

On 02/26/2016 08:00 AM, Forum Deswysen wrote: > https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B5hmBjm5ot8NSDhCTmpsWkk3aVU > > This 3rd picture seems to show you indicating you can rock the screw forward/backward by 10 degrees. This would seem to indicate wear and looseness in the ballnut, or possibly in

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No we have never had any issues like this, that is why I would be looking at the mounting of the physical ball nut and mounting block, It doesn't appear to have any taper pins, just 4 bolts to attach the mounting block the the casting, and 4 bolts to mount the cartridge into the mounting

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For everyone, Thank you I'll watch carefully. For Rick Lair, Have you ever had this problem with your Sabre 750 ? 2016-02-26 16:03 GMT+01:00 andy pugh : > On 26 February 2016 at 14:00, Forum Deswysen > wrote: > > *Can someone** tell me if this

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On 26 February 2016 at 14:00, Forum Deswysen wrote: > *Can someone** tell me if this nut **is adjustable ???* It doesn't look likely to be. The first place I would be looking would be at the screw thrust bearings, though. -- atp If you can't fix it, you don't own it.

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If this is any help, here is a link to a copy of our Sabre 750 Z axis ball screw layout, your machine looks identical to our machine. https://app.box.com/s/tt0favgpkqrvd0e6uisglg0p6jutdoh4 Rick On 2/26/2016 9:00 AM, Forum Deswysen wrote: > Hello Andy, > > Thank you for this additional

Re: [Emc-users] Stake in ball screw Cincinnati Arrow

Is the ball nut mounting block solidly attached to the back of the main spindle casting? There are probably 4-6 10mm or 12mm bolts, and 2 taper pins that attach the mounting block to the spindle casting, maybe the pins are sheared and the screws loose. Unless the mounting block is part of the

Re: [Emc-users] Stake in ball screw Cincinnati Arrow

Hello Andy, Thank you for this additional information. *Can someone** tell me if this nut **is adjustable ???* Some pictures of the problem: To have no more weight on the screw, the head of the machine is placed on its transport support

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On 26 February 2016 at 06:02, Forum Deswysen wrote: > Yes that's it. Don't ignore the possibility that the backlash/ slack might be in the ballscrew bearings. Depending on the style of the ball-nut, it might be possible to adjust the backlash. Isel make adjustable

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Yes that's it. Not easy with translation Pierre 2016-02-25 23:28 GMT+01:00 Chris Morley : > > I'm sure he mean slack in the ballnut :) > > - Reply message - > From: "Forum Deswysen" > To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)"

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I'm sure he mean slack in the ballnut :) - Reply message - From: "Forum Deswysen" To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)" Subject: [Emc-users] Stake in ball screw Cincinnati Arrow Date: Thu, Feb 25, 2016 1:06 PM Hello, Today

Re: [Emc-users] Stake in ball screw Cincinnati Arrow

On 25 February 2016 at 21:02, Forum Deswysen wrote: > Today we found the stake in the nut of the ball screw axis Z. Can you explain further? I think perhaps there is a mis-translation. -- atp If you can't fix it, you don't own it. http://www.ifixit.com/Manifesto