Re: [Emc-users] Probe recommendations.

[David Berndt]

I'm not going to say it's in the same cost range, but what about the  
Hallmark impact tolerant touch probe. ITTP?   
https://hallmarkdesign.co.nz/probe





On Sun, 14 Mar 2021 17:13:17 -0400,  wrote:


Watch https://youtu.be/kwLydF4osc4 for an approach that I'm currently
playing with to reduce probe breakage .

-Original Message-
From: Gerrit Visser 
Sent: March 14, 2021 4:33 PM
To: 'Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)' 
Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Probe recommendations.

I am still at the 'tooling breakage' stage of cnc. So far only 1  
Aliexpress

tip broken (CA$12 cost). I have some more on the way because I expect it
won't be the last broken one.
I have 2 Renishaw TP2's, they are surviving my inexperience so far. M2
threads.
Renishaw makes a sacrificial breakaway adapter, essentially a short  
piece of

material with a groove. Male and female M4 threads at opposite ends. It
however costs more than you were spending on just the probe.

Ken, this might be an option to try?
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005001421085958.html . If you make the
breakaway adapter then the more plentiful choices of M2 and M2.5 threaded
ones can come into play as well.

gerrit


-Original Message-
From: ken.stra...@gmail.com 
Sent: March 14, 2021 3:37 PM
To: 'Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)' 
Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Probe recommendations.

Yes, I use standard 4mm screw probes. Perhaps us$50 is "reasonable" but  
I'm
just a hobbyist/retiree and I find that breakage due to stupidity  
annoying.

I'd rather spend a similar amount on a decent bottle of wine!





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Re: [Emc-users] Maybe a minimally printed harmonic drive?

[John Dammeyer]

> From: Sam Sokolik [mailto:samco...@gmail.com]
> 
> another painful video
> 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3e83H2mEyk
> 
> On Sat, Mar 13, 2021 at 8:40 PM Sam Sokolik  wrote:
> 
> > Getting closer... I have to drill a bunch of holes in the face plate...
> > also have to preload the wheel bearing (grind a bit from the center)
> >
> > http://electronicsam.com/images/greenmachine/IMG_20210313_201227.jpg
> >

Really enjoying these. 
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[Feral Engineer]

Hey Ken,

he said email him and he'll get you what you're looking for. As I said,
wired versions soon to some and i'll be doing a teardown and complete
review on the tool setter soon. i...@emgprecision.com

Phil T.
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On Sun, Mar 14, 2021 at 4:26 PM  wrote:

> I don't think that I can afford the probe so please don't misrepresent me
> as a potential customer. Of course his tool height setter is reasonably
> priced. I'm interested in the basic design and accuracy achieved including
> lobing errors. Plus, any technical details that he is willing to reveal!
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Feral Engineer 
> Sent: March 14, 2021 3:54 PM
> To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) 
> Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Probe recommendations.
>
> I hear ya. I get pissed when I make an expensive bonehead move, also.
>
> I contacted the mfr and he wants to know what other information you would
> like to know, so he can put together a data sheet for you.
>
> Phil T.
> The Feral Engineer
>
> Check out my LinuxCNC tutorials, machine builds and other antics at
> www.youtube.com/c/theferalengineer
>
> On Sun, Mar 14, 2021, 3:39 PM  wrote:
>
> > Yes, I use standard 4mm screw probes. Perhaps us$50 is "reasonable"
> > but I'm just a hobbyist/retiree and I find that breakage due to
> > stupidity annoying. I'd rather spend a similar amount on a decent bottle
> of wine!
> >
> > Their probes look gorgeous but technical information on their website
> > is sparse. I'm interested in any information on their design and
> > particularly, if it is patented, the patent number. I'm intrigued by
> > probe designs and have built experimental units using strain gages,
> > FSR (Force Sensitive
> > Resistors) and...
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Feral Engineer 
> > Sent: March 14, 2021 3:22 PM
> > To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)
> > 
> > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Probe recommendations.
> >
> > Hey Ken,
> >
> > I believe so, but I'll find out from the manufacturer to be absolutely
> > sure.
> >
> > I'm reference to your other comment about breaking probe stylii, have
> > you checked out fleabay? They seem to have relatively decent priced
> > units
> > (40-50usd) if your probe is renishaw or compatible.
> >
> > Phil T.
> > The Feral Engineer
> >
> > Check out my LinuxCNC tutorials, machine builds and other antics at
> > www.youtube.com/c/theferalengineer
> >
> > On Sun, Mar 14, 2021, 3:11 PM  wrote:
> >
> > > Does their probe use the traditional 3-ball/3-groove Renishaw design
> > or...?
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Feral Engineer 
> > > Sent: March 14, 2021 2:22 PM
> > > To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)
> > > 
> > > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Probe recommendations.
> > >
> > > I have a working relationship with emg precision out of the UK. I
> > > will be installing, testing and reviewing one of their ceramic face
> > > fixed tool setters on my YouTube channel soon. They just released a
> > > line of infrared probes, much like renishaw, marposs, heidenhain, m,
> etc.
> > > They will be releasing a wired and RF version soon as well.
> > >
> > > https://www.emgprecision.com/ifi-p4-touch-probe
> > >
> > > Phil T.
> > > The Feral Engineer
> > >
> > > Check out my LinuxCNC tutorials, machine builds and other antics at
> > > www.youtube.com/c/theferalengineer
> > >
> > > On Sun, Mar 14, 2021, 2:15 PM andy pugh  wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Sun, 14 Mar 2021 at 17:13, Gene Heskett 
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >  I wonder what the shipping may be, and from where?
> > > >
> > > > The .by in vers.by and the price in Belarusian Rubles rather
> > > > indicates Belarus.
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > atp
> > > > "A motorcycle is a bicycle with a pandemonium attachment and is
> > > > designed for the especial use of mechanical geniuses, daredevils
> > > > and lunatics."
> > > > — George Fitch, Atlanta Constitution Newspaper, 1912
> > > >
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Re: [Emc-users] Maybe a minimally printed harmonic drive?

[Sam Sokolik]

another painful video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3e83H2mEyk

On Sat, Mar 13, 2021 at 8:40 PM Sam Sokolik  wrote:

> Getting closer... I have to drill a bunch of holes in the face plate...
> also have to preload the wheel bearing (grind a bit from the center)
>
> http://electronicsam.com/images/greenmachine/IMG_20210313_201227.jpg
>
> On Fri, Mar 12, 2021 at 10:41 AM Gene Heskett 
> wrote:
>
>> On Wednesday 10 March 2021 12:58:08 John Dammeyer wrote:
>>
>> > Hi Sam,
>> > I found by making the wall thickness bigger along with the hole
>> > smaller and hub larger I was able to mount the hub on the lathe and
>> > bore both the bore and the outer part of the hub on the lathe to make
>> > them symmetrical.  That reduced a lot of wobble compared to earlier
>> > versions.
>> >
>> > In hindsight I would also have made some sort of holder that allowed
>> > me to skim the inside of the actually pulley part.  Instead I used
>> > sandpaper because as you can see it has the same roughness from the 3D
>> > printer as your toothed belt section has.
>> >
>> > The hub was a smooth press fit (by hand) in and out of the pulley
>> > part.  The photo showing it mounted still has the yellow pulley that
>> > had too small of a hub and the pressure from the set screw cracked it.
>> >  So the new green one has a wider set screw area.
>> >
>> > I suspect the biggest issue with your flex pulley would be holding it
>> > stable enough so you could skim away material.  Might even be best to
>> > print it with a flat face to hold it round.  Then mount it in a
>> > holder, skim the inside surface and then cut through the face at the
>> > back.  The flat face could even have mounting holes to mount onto the
>> > back of your plate.  This would keep it from turning in the mount
>> > while you skim it.
>> >
>> I've got a better idea, since LCNC can do a taper, taper the holder 2
>> thou, drive it all the way in so its gripped good, bore it to half that
>> taper, pull it out, turn the other face and repeat w/o touching the x
>> dial. Just make sure all the burrs on the teeth from the printer are
>> well cleaned off with a fresh blade in a box knife. Burrs will show as
>> wibbles in the bore if you dont. :(
>>
>> > John
>> >
>> > > From: Sam Sokolik [mailto:samco...@gmail.com]
>> > >
>> > > another update - at 1/2 step - the discrete resolution should be
>> > > about 40,000 divisions per rotation.  .009 deg.
>> > >
>> > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IdfKre6zpEY
>> > >
>> > > On Thu, Feb 4, 2021 at 4:00 PM Sam Sokolik 
>> wrote:
>> > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVVffljc7kE
>>
>>
>> Cheers, Gene Heskett
>> --
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>>  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
>> -Ed Howdershelt (Author)
>> If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
>>  - Louis D. Brandeis
>> Genes Web page 
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Re: [Emc-users] Probe recommendations.

[ken.strauss]

Watch https://youtu.be/kwLydF4osc4 for an approach that I'm currently
playing with to reduce probe breakage .

-Original Message-
From: Gerrit Visser  
Sent: March 14, 2021 4:33 PM
To: 'Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)' 
Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Probe recommendations.

I am still at the 'tooling breakage' stage of cnc. So far only 1 Aliexpress
tip broken (CA$12 cost). I have some more on the way because I expect it
won't be the last broken one.
I have 2 Renishaw TP2's, they are surviving my inexperience so far. M2
threads.
Renishaw makes a sacrificial breakaway adapter, essentially a short piece of
material with a groove. Male and female M4 threads at opposite ends. It
however costs more than you were spending on just the probe.

Ken, this might be an option to try?
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005001421085958.html . If you make the
breakaway adapter then the more plentiful choices of M2 and M2.5 threaded
ones can come into play as well.

gerrit


-Original Message-
From: ken.stra...@gmail.com  
Sent: March 14, 2021 3:37 PM
To: 'Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)' 
Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Probe recommendations.

Yes, I use standard 4mm screw probes. Perhaps us$50 is "reasonable" but I'm
just a hobbyist/retiree and I find that breakage due to stupidity annoying.
I'd rather spend a similar amount on a decent bottle of wine!





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Re: [Emc-users] Probe recommendations.

[Gerrit Visser]

I am still at the 'tooling breakage' stage of cnc. So far only 1 Aliexpress tip 
broken (CA$12 cost). I have some more on the way because I expect it won't be 
the last broken one.
I have 2 Renishaw TP2's, they are surviving my inexperience so far. M2 threads.
Renishaw makes a sacrificial breakaway adapter, essentially a short piece of 
material with a groove. Male and female M4 threads at opposite ends. It however 
costs more than you were spending on just the probe.

Ken, this might be an option to try? 
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005001421085958.html . If you make the 
breakaway adapter then the more plentiful choices of M2 and M2.5 threaded ones 
can come into play as well.

gerrit


-Original Message-
From: ken.stra...@gmail.com  
Sent: March 14, 2021 3:37 PM
To: 'Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)' 
Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Probe recommendations.

Yes, I use standard 4mm screw probes. Perhaps us$50 is "reasonable" but I'm 
just a hobbyist/retiree and I find that breakage due to stupidity annoying. I'd 
rather spend a similar amount on a decent bottle of wine!





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Re: [Emc-users] Probe recommendations.

[Frank Tkalcevic]

NYC CNC on youtube made their own using some pencil lead as the breakaway
for the Haimer 3d taster...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJhI98_Y3GI


-Original Message-
From: ken.stra...@gmail.com [mailto:ken.stra...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, 15 March 2021 4:42 AM
To: 'Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)'
Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Probe recommendations.

Since we are discussing probes...
I've recently broken several tips due to stupidity/inattention and
replacements are expensive. Has anyone considered a safety breakaway based
on a kinematic coupling with the pre-loading supplied by rare earth magnets?

-Original Message-
From: Gene Heskett  
Sent: March 14, 2021 1:09 PM
To: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Probe recommendations.

On Sunday 14 March 2021 06:34:04 andy pugh wrote:

> On Sun, 14 Mar 2021 at 10:07, Gene Heskett 
wrote:
> > > https://vers.by/en/touch-probes/9-vers-pr.html
> >
> > What is this in USD?
>
> It says "355.00 BYN~  10050 RUB,   136 USD,   113 EUR"

I went to the web site, very sparse with its data, but that is a decent
enough price, that I wonder what the shipping may be, and from where?

Thanks Andy.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
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Re: [Emc-users] Probe recommendations.

[ken.strauss]

I don't think that I can afford the probe so please don't misrepresent me as a 
potential customer. Of course his tool height setter is reasonably priced. I'm 
interested in the basic design and accuracy achieved including lobing errors. 
Plus, any technical details that he is willing to reveal!

-Original Message-
From: Feral Engineer  
Sent: March 14, 2021 3:54 PM
To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) 
Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Probe recommendations.

I hear ya. I get pissed when I make an expensive bonehead move, also.

I contacted the mfr and he wants to know what other information you would like 
to know, so he can put together a data sheet for you.

Phil T.
The Feral Engineer

Check out my LinuxCNC tutorials, machine builds and other antics at 
www.youtube.com/c/theferalengineer

On Sun, Mar 14, 2021, 3:39 PM  wrote:

> Yes, I use standard 4mm screw probes. Perhaps us$50 is "reasonable" 
> but I'm just a hobbyist/retiree and I find that breakage due to 
> stupidity annoying. I'd rather spend a similar amount on a decent bottle of 
> wine!
>
> Their probes look gorgeous but technical information on their website 
> is sparse. I'm interested in any information on their design and 
> particularly, if it is patented, the patent number. I'm intrigued by 
> probe designs and have built experimental units using strain gages, 
> FSR (Force Sensitive
> Resistors) and...
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Feral Engineer 
> Sent: March 14, 2021 3:22 PM
> To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) 
> 
> Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Probe recommendations.
>
> Hey Ken,
>
> I believe so, but I'll find out from the manufacturer to be absolutely 
> sure.
>
> I'm reference to your other comment about breaking probe stylii, have 
> you checked out fleabay? They seem to have relatively decent priced 
> units
> (40-50usd) if your probe is renishaw or compatible.
>
> Phil T.
> The Feral Engineer
>
> Check out my LinuxCNC tutorials, machine builds and other antics at 
> www.youtube.com/c/theferalengineer
>
> On Sun, Mar 14, 2021, 3:11 PM  wrote:
>
> > Does their probe use the traditional 3-ball/3-groove Renishaw design
> or...?
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Feral Engineer 
> > Sent: March 14, 2021 2:22 PM
> > To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) 
> > 
> > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Probe recommendations.
> >
> > I have a working relationship with emg precision out of the UK. I 
> > will be installing, testing and reviewing one of their ceramic face 
> > fixed tool setters on my YouTube channel soon. They just released a 
> > line of infrared probes, much like renishaw, marposs, heidenhain, m, etc.
> > They will be releasing a wired and RF version soon as well.
> >
> > https://www.emgprecision.com/ifi-p4-touch-probe
> >
> > Phil T.
> > The Feral Engineer
> >
> > Check out my LinuxCNC tutorials, machine builds and other antics at 
> > www.youtube.com/c/theferalengineer
> >
> > On Sun, Mar 14, 2021, 2:15 PM andy pugh  wrote:
> >
> > > On Sun, 14 Mar 2021 at 17:13, Gene Heskett 
> wrote:
> > >
> > > >  I wonder what the shipping may be, and from where?
> > >
> > > The .by in vers.by and the price in Belarusian Rubles rather 
> > > indicates Belarus.
> > >
> > > --
> > > atp
> > > "A motorcycle is a bicycle with a pandemonium attachment and is 
> > > designed for the especial use of mechanical geniuses, daredevils 
> > > and lunatics."
> > > — George Fitch, Atlanta Constitution Newspaper, 1912
> > >
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[Feral Engineer]

I hear ya. I get pissed when I make an expensive bonehead move, also.

I contacted the mfr and he wants to know what other information you would
like to know, so he can put together a data sheet for you.

Phil T.
The Feral Engineer

Check out my LinuxCNC tutorials, machine builds and other antics at
www.youtube.com/c/theferalengineer

On Sun, Mar 14, 2021, 3:39 PM  wrote:

> Yes, I use standard 4mm screw probes. Perhaps us$50 is "reasonable" but
> I'm just a hobbyist/retiree and I find that breakage due to stupidity
> annoying. I'd rather spend a similar amount on a decent bottle of wine!
>
> Their probes look gorgeous but technical information on their website is
> sparse. I'm interested in any information on their design and particularly,
> if it is patented, the patent number. I'm intrigued by probe designs and
> have built experimental units using strain gages, FSR (Force Sensitive
> Resistors) and...
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Feral Engineer 
> Sent: March 14, 2021 3:22 PM
> To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) 
> Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Probe recommendations.
>
> Hey Ken,
>
> I believe so, but I'll find out from the manufacturer to be absolutely
> sure.
>
> I'm reference to your other comment about breaking probe stylii, have you
> checked out fleabay? They seem to have relatively decent priced units
> (40-50usd) if your probe is renishaw or compatible.
>
> Phil T.
> The Feral Engineer
>
> Check out my LinuxCNC tutorials, machine builds and other antics at
> www.youtube.com/c/theferalengineer
>
> On Sun, Mar 14, 2021, 3:11 PM  wrote:
>
> > Does their probe use the traditional 3-ball/3-groove Renishaw design
> or...?
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Feral Engineer 
> > Sent: March 14, 2021 2:22 PM
> > To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)
> > 
> > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Probe recommendations.
> >
> > I have a working relationship with emg precision out of the UK. I will
> > be installing, testing and reviewing one of their ceramic face fixed
> > tool setters on my YouTube channel soon. They just released a line of
> > infrared probes, much like renishaw, marposs, heidenhain, m, etc.
> > They will be releasing a wired and RF version soon as well.
> >
> > https://www.emgprecision.com/ifi-p4-touch-probe
> >
> > Phil T.
> > The Feral Engineer
> >
> > Check out my LinuxCNC tutorials, machine builds and other antics at
> > www.youtube.com/c/theferalengineer
> >
> > On Sun, Mar 14, 2021, 2:15 PM andy pugh  wrote:
> >
> > > On Sun, 14 Mar 2021 at 17:13, Gene Heskett 
> wrote:
> > >
> > > >  I wonder what the shipping may be, and from where?
> > >
> > > The .by in vers.by and the price in Belarusian Rubles rather
> > > indicates Belarus.
> > >
> > > --
> > > atp
> > > "A motorcycle is a bicycle with a pandemonium attachment and is
> > > designed for the especial use of mechanical geniuses, daredevils and
> > > lunatics."
> > > — George Fitch, Atlanta Constitution Newspaper, 1912
> > >
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[ken.strauss]

Yes, I use standard 4mm screw probes. Perhaps us$50 is "reasonable" but I'm 
just a hobbyist/retiree and I find that breakage due to stupidity annoying. I'd 
rather spend a similar amount on a decent bottle of wine!

Their probes look gorgeous but technical information on their website is 
sparse. I'm interested in any information on their design and particularly, if 
it is patented, the patent number. I'm intrigued by probe designs and have 
built experimental units using strain gages, FSR (Force Sensitive Resistors) 
and...

-Original Message-
From: Feral Engineer  
Sent: March 14, 2021 3:22 PM
To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) 
Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Probe recommendations.

Hey Ken,

I believe so, but I'll find out from the manufacturer to be absolutely sure.

I'm reference to your other comment about breaking probe stylii, have you 
checked out fleabay? They seem to have relatively decent priced units
(40-50usd) if your probe is renishaw or compatible.

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On Sun, Mar 14, 2021, 3:11 PM  wrote:

> Does their probe use the traditional 3-ball/3-groove Renishaw design or...?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Feral Engineer 
> Sent: March 14, 2021 2:22 PM
> To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) 
> 
> Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Probe recommendations.
>
> I have a working relationship with emg precision out of the UK. I will 
> be installing, testing and reviewing one of their ceramic face fixed 
> tool setters on my YouTube channel soon. They just released a line of 
> infrared probes, much like renishaw, marposs, heidenhain, m, etc. 
> They will be releasing a wired and RF version soon as well.
>
> https://www.emgprecision.com/ifi-p4-touch-probe
>
> Phil T.
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> On Sun, Mar 14, 2021, 2:15 PM andy pugh  wrote:
>
> > On Sun, 14 Mar 2021 at 17:13, Gene Heskett  wrote:
> >
> > >  I wonder what the shipping may be, and from where?
> >
> > The .by in vers.by and the price in Belarusian Rubles rather 
> > indicates Belarus.
> >
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Re: [Emc-users] Probe recommendations.

[Feral Engineer]

Hey Ken,

I believe so, but I'll find out from the manufacturer to be absolutely
sure.

I'm reference to your other comment about breaking probe stylii, have you
checked out fleabay? They seem to have relatively decent priced units
(40-50usd) if your probe is renishaw or compatible.

Phil T.
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On Sun, Mar 14, 2021, 3:11 PM  wrote:

> Does their probe use the traditional 3-ball/3-groove Renishaw design or...?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Feral Engineer 
> Sent: March 14, 2021 2:22 PM
> To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) 
> Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Probe recommendations.
>
> I have a working relationship with emg precision out of the UK. I will be
> installing, testing and reviewing one of their ceramic face fixed tool
> setters on my YouTube channel soon. They just released a line of infrared
> probes, much like renishaw, marposs, heidenhain, m, etc. They will be
> releasing a wired and RF version soon as well.
>
> https://www.emgprecision.com/ifi-p4-touch-probe
>
> Phil T.
> The Feral Engineer
>
> Check out my LinuxCNC tutorials, machine builds and other antics at
> www.youtube.com/c/theferalengineer
>
> On Sun, Mar 14, 2021, 2:15 PM andy pugh  wrote:
>
> > On Sun, 14 Mar 2021 at 17:13, Gene Heskett  wrote:
> >
> > >  I wonder what the shipping may be, and from where?
> >
> > The .by in vers.by and the price in Belarusian Rubles rather indicates
> > Belarus.
> >
> > --
> > atp
> > "A motorcycle is a bicycle with a pandemonium attachment and is
> > designed for the especial use of mechanical geniuses, daredevils and
> > lunatics."
> > — George Fitch, Atlanta Constitution Newspaper, 1912
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Re: [Emc-users] Probe recommendations.

[ken.strauss]

Does their probe use the traditional 3-ball/3-groove Renishaw design or...?

-Original Message-
From: Feral Engineer  
Sent: March 14, 2021 2:22 PM
To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) 
Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Probe recommendations.

I have a working relationship with emg precision out of the UK. I will be 
installing, testing and reviewing one of their ceramic face fixed tool setters 
on my YouTube channel soon. They just released a line of infrared probes, much 
like renishaw, marposs, heidenhain, m, etc. They will be releasing a wired 
and RF version soon as well.

https://www.emgprecision.com/ifi-p4-touch-probe

Phil T.
The Feral Engineer

Check out my LinuxCNC tutorials, machine builds and other antics at 
www.youtube.com/c/theferalengineer

On Sun, Mar 14, 2021, 2:15 PM andy pugh  wrote:

> On Sun, 14 Mar 2021 at 17:13, Gene Heskett  wrote:
>
> >  I wonder what the shipping may be, and from where?
>
> The .by in vers.by and the price in Belarusian Rubles rather indicates 
> Belarus.
>
> --
> atp
> "A motorcycle is a bicycle with a pandemonium attachment and is 
> designed for the especial use of mechanical geniuses, daredevils and 
> lunatics."
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Re: [Emc-users] Probe recommendations.

[Feral Engineer]

I have a working relationship with emg precision out of the UK. I will be
installing, testing and reviewing one of their ceramic face fixed tool
setters on my YouTube channel soon. They just released a line of infrared
probes, much like renishaw, marposs, heidenhain, m, etc. They will be
releasing a wired and RF version soon as well.

https://www.emgprecision.com/ifi-p4-touch-probe

Phil T.
The Feral Engineer

Check out my LinuxCNC tutorials, machine builds and other antics at
www.youtube.com/c/theferalengineer

On Sun, Mar 14, 2021, 2:15 PM andy pugh  wrote:

> On Sun, 14 Mar 2021 at 17:13, Gene Heskett  wrote:
>
> >  I wonder what the shipping may be, and from where?
>
> The .by in vers.by and the price in Belarusian Rubles rather indicates
> Belarus.
>
> --
> atp
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> designed for the especial use of mechanical geniuses, daredevils and
> lunatics."
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Re: [Emc-users] Probe recommendations.

[andy pugh]

On Sun, 14 Mar 2021 at 17:13, Gene Heskett  wrote:

>  I wonder what the shipping may be, and from where?

The .by in vers.by and the price in Belarusian Rubles rather indicates Belarus.

-- 
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Re: [Emc-users] Probe recommendations.

[Gerrit Visser]

The store is in Belarus, if that helps.

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To: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
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I went to the web site, very sparse with its data, but that is a decent
enough price, that I wonder what the shipping may be, and from where?

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[dave engvall]

I suspect Belarus.

On 3/14/21 10:09 AM, Gene Heskett wrote:

On Sunday 14 March 2021 06:34:04 andy pugh wrote:


On Sun, 14 Mar 2021 at 10:07, Gene Heskett 

wrote:

https://vers.by/en/touch-probes/9-vers-pr.html

What is this in USD?

It says "355.00 BYN~  10050 RUB,   136 USD,   113 EUR"

I went to the web site, very sparse with its data, but that is a decent
enough price, that I wonder what the shipping may be, and from where?

Thanks Andy.

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Re: [Emc-users] Probe recommendations.

[ken.strauss]

Since we are discussing probes...
I've recently broken several tips due to stupidity/inattention and
replacements are expensive. Has anyone considered a safety breakaway based
on a kinematic coupling with the pre-loading supplied by rare earth magnets?

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To: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
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On Sunday 14 March 2021 06:34:04 andy pugh wrote:

> On Sun, 14 Mar 2021 at 10:07, Gene Heskett 
wrote:
> > > https://vers.by/en/touch-probes/9-vers-pr.html
> >
> > What is this in USD?
>
> It says "355.00 BYN~  10050 RUB,   136 USD,   113 EUR"

I went to the web site, very sparse with its data, but that is a decent
enough price, that I wonder what the shipping may be, and from where?

Thanks Andy.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
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Re: [Emc-users] Probe recommendations.

[Gene Heskett]

On Sunday 14 March 2021 06:34:04 andy pugh wrote:

> On Sun, 14 Mar 2021 at 10:07, Gene Heskett  
wrote:
> > > https://vers.by/en/touch-probes/9-vers-pr.html
> >
> > What is this in USD?
>
> It says "355.00 BYN~  10050 RUB,   136 USD,   113 EUR"

I went to the web site, very sparse with its data, but that is a decent 
enough price, that I wonder what the shipping may be, and from where?

Thanks Andy.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
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Re: [Emc-users] Nice camera/probe integration

[Thaddeus Waldner]

Here’s another idea; take several pictures of your part, each from a different 
point of view. Use OpenSFM to generate a rough 3D mesh of the part. As a second 
step, use the 3D mesh to identify your z-distance for final optical measurement.

> On Mar 14, 2021, at 3:23 AM, Mark Johnsen  wrote:
> 
> Any Gelbert videos are like Homer Simpson drooling about bacon...
> 
>> On Sat, Mar 13, 2021 at 9:17 PM Karl Schmidt  wrote:
>> 
>> It isn't hard to get 'A' picture with a USB microscope from China - but
>> the problem is getting one that is easily in
>> focus - the depth of field is very shallow..  Getting things lit in a way
>> to see your 'feature' is another problem.
>> 
>> I have a dark-feild/bright-field microscope with a trinocular camera tube
>> - and it still isn't always easy to get a
>> great picture of some metal detail.. the special lighting matters - really
>> helps if the object is flat.
>> 
>> Mechanical touching might be quicker in a lot of cases..  I saw a camera
>> set-up on a lathe where it was focused on the
>> tool - so always in focus.
>> 
>> ,.,.
>> I have an idea for a touch probe that makes the tool-and machine all part
>> of an inductor core (a toroid with a gap) -
>> the space between the tool and the part is the air gap - the wire coil can
>> be around the colum of the machine (out of
>> the way) - the inductance of this coil will change with the air gap - and
>> as you touch, the inductance suddenly changes.
>>  They use such air gaps in power conversion - but here it would just be
>> sensed.
>> 
>> I expect that someone has thought of this before and they don't use it due
>> to some reason I haven't thought of.
>> ,.,.
>> 
>> Gelbart has a LASER jig that can get you close (30-50um)..
>> https://youtu.be/otSjut1iGGk?t=140
>> 
>> he talked about another one with a rotating wireless camera - sub-micron..
>> 
>> I knew of him when he was involved in making MODEMs suddenly much faster..
>> 
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>> Lawrence, KS 66049
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Re: [Emc-users] Probe recommendations.

[andy pugh]

On Sun, 14 Mar 2021 at 10:07, Gene Heskett  wrote:

> > https://vers.by/en/touch-probes/9-vers-pr.html
> >
> What is this in USD?

It says "355.00 BYN~  10050 RUB,   136 USD,   113 EUR"

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Re: [Emc-users] Probe recommendations.

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On Saturday 13 March 2021 19:39:00 andrew beck wrote:

> Hey everyone
>
> Does anyone know if verser probes are still shipping and making
> probes?
>
> https://vers.by/en/touch-probes/9-vers-pr.html
>
What is this in USD?

> I know the owner is a fellow Linuxcnc guy so keen to support him plus
> there probes look awesome.
>
> Maybe my emails are bouncing.  But just wondering if anyone knows what
> they are up to currently.
>
> And if anyone has used their probes.
>
> And finally.  Any other good probe brands to try that are good value
> for money.  And accurate.
>
> I started to get into the new qtpyvcp screens which is why I'm looking
> at auto probing now.
> Regards
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Re: [Emc-users] Nice camera/probe integration

[Mark Johnsen]

Any Gelbert videos are like Homer Simpson drooling about bacon...

On Sat, Mar 13, 2021 at 9:17 PM Karl Schmidt  wrote:

> It isn't hard to get 'A' picture with a USB microscope from China - but
> the problem is getting one that is easily in
> focus - the depth of field is very shallow..  Getting things lit in a way
> to see your 'feature' is another problem.
>
> I have a dark-feild/bright-field microscope with a trinocular camera tube
> - and it still isn't always easy to get a
> great picture of some metal detail.. the special lighting matters - really
> helps if the object is flat.
>
> Mechanical touching might be quicker in a lot of cases..  I saw a camera
> set-up on a lathe where it was focused on the
> tool - so always in focus.
>
> ,.,.
> I have an idea for a touch probe that makes the tool-and machine all part
> of an inductor core (a toroid with a gap) -
> the space between the tool and the part is the air gap - the wire coil can
> be around the colum of the machine (out of
> the way) - the inductance of this coil will change with the air gap - and
> as you touch, the inductance suddenly changes.
>   They use such air gaps in power conversion - but here it would just be
> sensed.
>
> I expect that someone has thought of this before and they don't use it due
> to some reason I haven't thought of.
> ,.,.
>
> Gelbart has a LASER jig that can get you close (30-50um)..
> https://youtu.be/otSjut1iGGk?t=140
>
> he talked about another one with a rotating wireless camera - sub-micron..
>
> I knew of him when he was involved in making MODEMs suddenly much faster..
>
> --
>
> 
> Karl Schmidt  EMail k...@lrak.net
> 3209 West 9th Street Ph (785) 979-8397
> Lawrence, KS 66049
>
> 
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