Re: [Emc-users] Tool Height Sensor Position
Mine are all permanently mounted, as a proper tool height setter should be. Phil T. The Feral Engineer Check out my LinuxCNC tutorials, machine builds and other antics at www.youtube.com/c/theferalengineer Help support my channel efforts and coffee addiction: www.patreon.com/theferalengineer Order one of the coolest label makers on the market at http://labelworks.epson.com, use coupon code "theferalengineer" and receive 20% off of your order On Tue, Nov 29, 2022, 8:25 PM John Dammeyer wrote: > My tool height sensor arrived today. Needless to say I dropped everything > (almost) to play with it. Nicely sensitive. Good over travel before NC > sensor opens so that second switch could be in series with Z axis limit. > > The photo here > http://www.autoartisans.com/mill/TouchProbe/TouchPosition-1.jpg > shows the location the table goes to for the tool change position. Just a > tad off X and Y limit switches. > > I've placed the sensor under that location to eyeball where it would > likely be the best place to mount. Trouble is I'm not really happy with > the idea of a permanent mount. It's really in the way. > > I could move it to the back of the table but all that space to the left > for clamping or even just sliding the vise out of the way is still > obstructed by the sensor. > > Since I'm using TTS holders for most things (face mill and larger drill > chucks are R8) so for a standard make 5 of something I can see setting the > tools into the LinuxCNC tool table, changing tools and the setter isn't > even needed once the tools have had their length entered into the tool > table. > > It's when I need that one or two tools like drill bits that need to be > measured on the fly that a tool change and then tool measurement operation > are needed. > > For the LinuxCNC users out there, using a tool height sensor similar to > this what do you do? > > Leave it in place forever? > > Leave it in place for the job? > > Place it and hold down with say a toggle clamp (or something) when needed? > > I realize this will be an "It depends" answer. > > There's also the option to hook up air to clean the top and not even > bother with the tool table length entry. Just measure it each time but > that seems time consuming. > > Thanks > John > > > ___ > Emc-users mailing list > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users > ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Classic ladder compare blocks..
I still remember the feeling of the first successful turret index on my pc turn 55 Phil T. The Feral Engineer Check out my LinuxCNC tutorials, machine builds and other antics at www.youtube.com/c/theferalengineer Help support my channel efforts and coffee addiction: www.patreon.com/theferalengineer Order one of the coolest label makers on the market at http://labelworks.epson.com, use coupon code "theferalengineer" and receive 20% off of your order On Mon, Nov 28, 2022, 9:01 PM Sam Sokolik wrote: > It doesn't say anywhere in the linuxcnc manual for classic ladder - but is > there a limit for the compare block to just 2 compares? > ie.. > > I had this in the compare > %IW0<%W0,&%IW0>0,<7 > For the life of me the logic just wasn't working. > Finally I put it in 2 separate compares.. > %IW0<%W0 in one.. followed by %IW0>0,<7 > > This worked as expected.. > > BTW - the old emco turret with no feedback should work pretty darn well > with a little ladder logic.. Only 1 output. (logic 0 runs the turret into > the pawl through a current limiting resistor.. logic 1 runs the turret > clockwise to the next tool.) > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JGGPob1iKj8 > > The original Emco compact 5 CNC, when you would call a tool - say you are > at tool 1 and going to tool 3 - would stop at tool 2 and index. (it stops > at every tool location between the one it was at and the one you called) > > I think this was probably convenience as you need 2 different time delays - > the initial one to go to the next one.. (slightly longer than every pocket > after the first..) I am currently using 2.2 seconds for the first tool - > 1.8 seconds for every tool after. > > kinda neat. > > ___ > Emc-users mailing list > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users > ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] new linuxcnc based gui and control
It's a complete knock off of a siemens control, that's why it's so awesome Phil T. The Feral Engineer Check out my LinuxCNC tutorials, machine builds and other antics at www.youtube.com/c/theferalengineer Help support my channel efforts and coffee addiction: www.patreon.com/theferalengineer Order one of the coolest label makers on the market at http://labelworks.epson.com, use coupon code "theferalengineer" and receive 20% off of your order On Sat, Nov 12, 2022, 6:35 AM andrew beck wrote: > hey guys some of you have probably seen this > > if not check it out > > I saw mention of a S curve lookahead and jerk control and am getting very > interested at this point > > it looks amazing as a control absolutely awesome > > > https://forum.linuxcnc.org/show-your-stuff/47118-two-retrofitted-machines-ready-for-doing-some-work?start=0 > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9G60XEn0OEw > > > enjoy > > ___ > Emc-users mailing list > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users > ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] OT How to make fine splines
The originals were probably made on a hobbing machine. Phil T. The Feral Engineer Check out my LinuxCNC tutorials, machine builds and other antics at www.youtube.com/c/theferalengineer Help support my channel efforts and coffee addiction: www.patreon.com/theferalengineer Order one of the coolest label makers on the market at http://labelworks.epson.com, use coupon code "theferalengineer" and receive 20% off of your order On Mon, Oct 24, 2022, 10:32 AM John Figie wrote: > I have a 1978 Honda XL175 I want to get running again. The Kick start shaft > is broken, a common problem on this bike. Replacements are hard to find and > usually $400 or more. Maybe I can make a few and sell a few. I am wondering > if I can use 4130 steel that is pre hardened to Rockwell C32 and has > 135,000 psi tensile strength. Or maybe just take a grade 8 bolt and machine > it. or maybe even a metric grade 12.9 bolt which should be even stronger. > Anyway I am wondering how the splines were made on the original. I could > use the E head, (shaper) on my bridgeport and a rotary table. Do you think > this is a good idea? > > Shaft_Model <https://photos.app.goo.gl/EYmLjw9DaPVWnNhj6> > Spline <https://photos.app.goo.gl/1aAY377gQqVcM7q57> > John Figie > > ___ > Emc-users mailing list > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users > ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] CAM software
Definitely the best way to describe it Phil T. The Feral Engineer Check out my LinuxCNC tutorials, machine builds and other antics at www.youtube.com/c/theferalengineer Help support my channel efforts and coffee addiction: www.patreon.com/theferalengineer Order one of the coolest label makers on the market at http://labelworks.epson.com, use coupon code "theferalengineer" and receive 20% off of your order On Fri, Oct 21, 2022, 2:24 PM Robin Szemeti via Emc-users < emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net> wrote: > FreeCAD barely does CAD either ... best avoided. If you have used > SolidWorks, trying FreeCAD is like slamming your gingers repeatedly in the > desk drawer. Last time I tried it, if you removed a feature from the stack, > the remaining features re-numbered themselves, but didn't renumber the way > features were attached, so a hole that was in the top of something would > now be in the side etc. Complete unuseable madness and the developers > argued it was "right"! > > For CAM I use Cut2D+ from Vectric. Very good, very cheap. I am still > looking for an affordable true 3D cam package, but for "2 and a half D" > Cut2d is fantastic. Pocketing, profiles, drilling, tool libraries, even so > level of automatic feature recognition and machining strategies through > their "templates" system. Perfect for my small mill and my 8x4 router. > > On Fri, 21 Oct 2022 at 18:23, Feral Engineer > wrote: > > > Only experience I have with alibre was when they were the new kid on the > > block, trying to compete with solidworks and their interface was almost > as > > painful as freecad is now > > > > Phil T. > > The Feral Engineer > > > > Check out my LinuxCNC tutorials, machine builds and other antics at > > www.youtube.com/c/theferalengineer > > > > Help support my channel efforts and coffee addiction: > > www.patreon.com/theferalengineer > > > > Order one of the coolest label makers on the market at > > http://labelworks.epson.com, use coupon code "theferalengineer" and > > receive > > 20% off of your order > > > > On Fri, Oct 21, 2022, 1:20 PM John Dammeyer > > wrote: > > > > > That FreeCAD subject has once again prompted me to ask how people are > > > using their CAD/CAM to generate G-Code. > > > > > > For the first time in about 10 years (or maybe more now) I've refused > to > > > update my support for MecSoft Visual CAD/CAM because their response to > my > > > question was _probably_never_. > > > > > > The question was: "When are you once again going to be able to import > the > > > .AD_PRT files from AlibreCAD?" > > > > > > Way back AlibreCAM was VisualCAM from MecSoft and was integrated into > > > Alibre. They had some sort of falling out because Alibre is also no > > longer > > > interested in supporting VisualCAM stating that it's MecSoft that makes > > the > > > decision as to whether to integrate. I feel like it was a painful > > devorce… > > > > > > I'm stuck with using the 2020 version of AlibreCAM (with the occasional > > > error message) on the current version of AlibreCAD. I will tell Alibre > > > this year that I no longer feel the need to pay support after way more > > than > > > 16 years of support payments (I have drawings from 2006). > > > > > > From what I can see FreeCAD doesn't do CAM. I have no interest in > using > > > Fusion360. Both Fusion360, FreeCAD and the VisualCAD user interface > > > confuse me. Just can't seem to learn them while I find AlibreCAD easy. > > > But then I could never really effectively use AutoCAD either which is > why > > > Alibre was so great when it showed up. > > > > > > What is out there for CAM G-Code generation? Preferably integrated > with > > > with the CAD package so one can go back and forth to tweak a drawing > for > > > better CAM without having to start all over again with the CAD. > > > > > > Thanks > > > John > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "ELS! Nothing else works as well for your Lathe" > > > Automation Artisans Inc. > > > www dot autoartisans dot com > > > > > > > > > ___ > > > Emc-users mailing list > > > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users > > > > > > > ___ > > Emc-users mailing list > > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users > > > > ___ > Emc-users mailing list > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users > ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] CAM software
Freecad's interface isn't even similar to freecad's interface. There's no rhyme or reason as to why you need to pick an edge before you can create a feature and create a feature without picking an edge first. I've spent the time to learn some of the nuances of freecad, but it's still not as intuitive as solidworks or f360. Phil T. The Feral Engineer Check out my LinuxCNC tutorials, machine builds and other antics at www.youtube.com/c/theferalengineer Help support my channel efforts and coffee addiction: www.patreon.com/theferalengineer Order one of the coolest label makers on the market at http://labelworks.epson.com, use coupon code "theferalengineer" and receive 20% off of your order On Fri, Oct 21, 2022, 1:39 PM Chris Albertson wrote: > Solidworks, FreeCAD, Fusion360 all are pretty much the same in terms of the > user interface. If doing serious work, just buy the paid version of > Fusion360 and sign up for real classes, Actually do the exercises. It is > normal for it to take weeks or months of daily use before you get good at > it. > > Fusion is pretty much seamless from design sketches to working g-code. > > It is like a piano. It would be silly if I said "I've watched 3 youtube > videos and tried for 40 minutes and I still can't play the piano." It is > kind of the same with state of the art CAD/CAM systems. Give it 100 > hours before you can be called a "competent beginner" > > > > On Fri, Oct 21, 2022 at 10:21 AM John Dammeyer > wrote: > > > That FreeCAD subject has once again prompted me to ask how people are > > using their CAD/CAM to generate G-Code. > > > > For the first time in about 10 years (or maybe more now) I've refused to > > update my support for MecSoft Visual CAD/CAM because their response to my > > question was _probably_never_. > > > > The question was: "When are you once again going to be able to import the > > .AD_PRT files from AlibreCAD?" > > > > Way back AlibreCAM was VisualCAM from MecSoft and was integrated into > > Alibre. They had some sort of falling out because Alibre is also no > longer > > interested in supporting VisualCAM stating that it's MecSoft that makes > the > > decision as to whether to integrate. I feel like it was a painful > devorce… > > > > I'm stuck with using the 2020 version of AlibreCAM (with the occasional > > error message) on the current version of AlibreCAD. I will tell Alibre > > this year that I no longer feel the need to pay support after way more > than > > 16 years of support payments (I have drawings from 2006). > > > > From what I can see FreeCAD doesn't do CAM. I have no interest in using > > Fusion360. Both Fusion360, FreeCAD and the VisualCAD user interface > > confuse me. Just can't seem to learn them while I find AlibreCAD easy. > > But then I could never really effectively use AutoCAD either which is why > > Alibre was so great when it showed up. > > > > What is out there for CAM G-Code generation? Preferably integrated with > > with the CAD package so one can go back and forth to tweak a drawing for > > better CAM without having to start all over again with the CAD. > > > > Thanks > > John > > > > > > > > > > "ELS! Nothing else works as well for your Lathe" > > Automation Artisans Inc. > > www dot autoartisans dot com > > > > > > ___ > > Emc-users mailing list > > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users > > > > > -- > > Chris Albertson > Redondo Beach, California > > ___ > Emc-users mailing list > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users > ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] CAM software
Only experience I have with alibre was when they were the new kid on the block, trying to compete with solidworks and their interface was almost as painful as freecad is now Phil T. The Feral Engineer Check out my LinuxCNC tutorials, machine builds and other antics at www.youtube.com/c/theferalengineer Help support my channel efforts and coffee addiction: www.patreon.com/theferalengineer Order one of the coolest label makers on the market at http://labelworks.epson.com, use coupon code "theferalengineer" and receive 20% off of your order On Fri, Oct 21, 2022, 1:20 PM John Dammeyer wrote: > That FreeCAD subject has once again prompted me to ask how people are > using their CAD/CAM to generate G-Code. > > For the first time in about 10 years (or maybe more now) I've refused to > update my support for MecSoft Visual CAD/CAM because their response to my > question was _probably_never_. > > The question was: "When are you once again going to be able to import the > .AD_PRT files from AlibreCAD?" > > Way back AlibreCAM was VisualCAM from MecSoft and was integrated into > Alibre. They had some sort of falling out because Alibre is also no longer > interested in supporting VisualCAM stating that it's MecSoft that makes the > decision as to whether to integrate. I feel like it was a painful devorce… > > I'm stuck with using the 2020 version of AlibreCAM (with the occasional > error message) on the current version of AlibreCAD. I will tell Alibre > this year that I no longer feel the need to pay support after way more than > 16 years of support payments (I have drawings from 2006). > > From what I can see FreeCAD doesn't do CAM. I have no interest in using > Fusion360. Both Fusion360, FreeCAD and the VisualCAD user interface > confuse me. Just can't seem to learn them while I find AlibreCAD easy. > But then I could never really effectively use AutoCAD either which is why > Alibre was so great when it showed up. > > What is out there for CAM G-Code generation? Preferably integrated with > with the CAD package so one can go back and forth to tweak a drawing for > better CAM without having to start all over again with the CAD. > > Thanks > John > > > > > "ELS! Nothing else works as well for your Lathe" > Automation Artisans Inc. > www dot autoartisans dot com > > > ___ > Emc-users mailing list > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users > ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Intel NUC
I'm quite happy with the performance of the gk41 computers available on Amazon https://amzn.to/3riS5kB Phil T. The Feral Engineer Check out my LinuxCNC tutorials, machine builds and other antics at www.youtube.com/c/theferalengineer Help support my channel efforts and coffee addiction: www.patreon.com/theferalengineer Order one of the coolest label makers on the market at http://labelworks.epson.com, use coupon code "theferalengineer" and receive 20% off of your order On Sat, Oct 1, 2022, 10:27 AM Thaddeus Waldner wrote: > Hi, > > I am looking for a viable alternative to the Raspberry Pi. I need this to > fit inside a pretty small enclosure, so I can’t accommodate a much larger > size than the Pi. > > Has anyone tried the Intel NUK products? > > > https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2334524.m570.l1313&_nkw=intel+nuc&_sacat=0_TitleDesc=0&_odkw=intel+nuk&_osacat=0_PrefLoc=2 > < > https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2334524.m570.l1313&_nkw=intel+nuc&_sacat=0_TitleDesc=0&_odkw=intel+nuk&_osacat=0_PrefLoc=2 > > > > > ___ > Emc-users mailing list > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users > ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Acorn CNC
Hobby users barely even want to pay for the motors to run the damn machines Phil T. The Feral Engineer Check out my LinuxCNC tutorials, machine builds and other antics at www.youtube.com/c/theferalengineer Help support my channel efforts and coffee addiction: www.patreon.com/theferalengineer Order one of the coolest label makers on the market at http://labelworks.epson.com, use coupon code "theferalengineer" and receive 20% off of your order On Fri, Sep 9, 2022, 3:36 PM Bari wrote: > On 9/9/22 13:15, Chris Albertson wrote: > > > So If I were to start a CNC machine related business today. I'd design a > > turnkey system, PCBs and all and place the design online. Hobby users > > could download it and have the parts made. Those with more money than > > skill could hire me as a consultant. I'd work over Zoom and remotely log > > into their computer and make stuff work. > > > > You could make money with LCNC if you turned it into a product people > could > > unbox and it "just works" and if paid professional one-on-one support was > > available. That is what Tormach has done. > > Do you have any idea how little hobby users wish to pay for support? > > Tormach makes a profit off selling their machines, not in post sales > support. > > > > ___ > Emc-users mailing list > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users > ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Acorn CNC
My hard and fast answer for why LinuxCNC would, again, come down to cost. A coofun GK41 mini pc has more than enough gusto to drive a Mesa board and if you have the right link on Amazon, will run you $169 before the United States of Legalized Extortion take their cut. A Mesa 7i96S is $149 and provides enough IO support for a good, basic machine (plus it's one of the only mesa cards in stock). The gk41 dual boots easier than any other computer I've installed LinuxCNC on, so you can keep the windows side for whatever sadistic reasons you may have and even a build from scratch deb11/2.9 install is a breeze (if you follow my video, of course ;} ). The stigma of learning Linux is slowly getting chipped away with enhancements to the Linux user experience (I run cinnamon on a few of my computers just because it looks nice). As far as limit and probing IO, there are a bunch of ways to consolidate inputs. For starters, if you are running 2 limits per axis, just wire them in parallel (NO) or series (NC). Same can be done with the tool setter and probe as long as you have a way to circumvent the circuit trigger when the spindle probe is disconnected. Case in point, my tool setter and spindle probe are both NC when connected, but the probe is detachable from the wire, essentially making it NO until it's connected. This makes for an unhappy trigger signal. To fix this, I originally used a spdt switch, then moved to a spdt relay, finally to classicladder logic and two inputs on my motion board. If you want to still use one input, the spdt relay works very well or you can just jumper the probe when not in use. And as far as anything called Mach, 3 is outdated and the last version had a fatal bug that crashed my machine and scrapped way too many parts (which is why I went to Linuxcnc in the first place) and I hear 4 is still not quite right. Phil T. The Feral Engineer Check out my LinuxCNC tutorials, machine builds and other antics at www.youtube.com/c/theferalengineer Help support my channel efforts and coffee addiction: www.patreon.com/theferalengineer Order one of the coolest label makers on the market at http://labelworks.epson.com, use coupon code "theferalengineer" and receive 20% off of your order On Tue, Sep 6, 2022, 11:42 PM John Dammeyer wrote: > Hi Ralph, > The reason I ask is the replies are often like yours with an incorrect > assessment of features. > > https://www.centroidcnc.com/centroid_diy/images/centroid_acorn_cnc_controller.pdf > I think 8 inputs is quite different from the 3 home inputs you mentioned. > A quadrature encoder input for spindle feedback and therefore tapping is > another 3 inputs and apparently on the DB-9 is also the ability in addition > to 0-10V spindle speed the CW/CCW direction capability. And I count 8 > relay outputs and 4 motor channels, not 3. > > Bari has mentioned about costs. He's right about that. > > The Mesa 7i95 with Ethernet connection to the PC and a choice of user > interfaces with or without touch screen. Cost is $295 compared to by the > time you add some relays and a power supply the cost is probably more for > the Linux System. > > But, and it's a gigantic huge but, the response is often "I don't want to > learn another OS and have to figure out what to do with Linux". > > Assuming then that the end user installs limits and shares a home with one > on each axis he's got 6 inputs tied up. Adds a touch sensor which can > share a tool height sensor input. Maybe also a small rotary table with a > stepper for that 4th axis. A relay output for coolant control which is an > extra cost for the LinuxCNC system. And VFD on the spindle along with an > encoder. > > So far we haven't exceeded the I/O on either system.Costs are somewhat > comparable. However, after that introductory carrot, the price for the > Acorn jumps by another $159 for the "Mill Pro" which now lets you use that > rotary table and do Rigid tapping. So now the Acorn is well above the > price of the LinuxCNC system. We'll ignore the price of the PC for now > since both are required (along with motors, belts, pulleys, limit switches > etc.). > > If you go out and buy a laptop it probably comes with Windows 10. Finding > an inexpensive laptop with hard wire (verses WiFi) internet connection is > getting harder. Not sure about the touch screen side of things. Either > laptop or a monitor. > > So price wise, MESA $295 plus some relays and a power supply so say $400. > The Acorn $329+ $159= $488. So Acorn more expensive but turnkey compared > to trying to install LinuxCNC on a new piece of hardware, trying to figure > out what a HAL and INI file do, which user interface to install and so on... > > The question still stands. For that simple 3 axis + rotary table mill why > buy LinuxCNC? We're not adding a
Re: [Emc-users] Acorn CNC
I thought path pilot started using a Linuxcnc fork from machine kit? Centroid is appealing to new users because of a few reasons: ease of setup (no hal), conversational (although not great) and a unified ecosystem of hardware and software, with the ability to find a plug and play centroid unit for almost every budget and type of machine (acorn, oak, all in one dc). Plus, their macro logic is more fanuc-like from what I've seen (includes the dreaded GOTO) The selling point of LinuxCNC is price point and available power, if you're willing to put in the time to learn. Not many people want to learn how to configure hal/classicladder and pncconf has fallen behind and has acquired some bugs to keep from working properly (can't add USB devices without it locking up). With a well documented setup like a 7i75e, gecko g540 or a c10 chinabob, it's not crazy to say you can have motors moving in a couple of hours but again, not many people want to spend the time messing with hal configs. If there were more graphic based setup options, like the ones in crap3, it might be more user friendly for beginners. I'm not answering your question, I'm sure, but I'm giving insight from both sides. I like LinuxCNC and the people involved are all great, but from a general standpoint, the stumbling block is the learning curve but the benefits are aplenty for those who want to learn. Phil T. The Feral Engineer Check out my LinuxCNC tutorials, machine builds and other antics at www.youtube.com/c/theferalengineer Help support my channel efforts and coffee addiction: www.patreon.com/theferalengineer Order one of the coolest label makers on the market at http://labelworks.epson.com, use coupon code "theferalengineer" and receive 20% off of your order On Tue, Sep 6, 2022, 8:12 PM John Dammeyer wrote: > If I was to offer an reason to go LinuxCNC to someone who is attracted to > an Acorn system what would I say. Other than the Acorn is really just a > cape for a BeagleBone Black. But the user interface is all via Ethernet so > a PC of some sort is still required. > > There appear to be so many CNC systems out there now. Even LinuxCNC now > suffers from too many user interfaces to the point where is the Tormach > really still LinuxCNC or is it something different too? > > Comments? > John > > > > "ELS! Nothing else works as well for your Lathe" > Automation Artisans Inc. > www dot autoartisans dot com > > > ___ > Emc-users mailing list > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users > ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] labeling wires and cables
I use the Epson Labelworks line of label makers. They have the smallest single print margins on the market. Phil T. The Feral Engineer Check out my LinuxCNC tutorials, machine builds and other antics at www.youtube.com/c/theferalengineer Help support my channel efforts and coffee addiction: www.patreon.com/theferalengineer Order one of the coolest label makers on the market at http://labelworks.epson.com, use coupon code "theferalengineer" and receive 20% off of your order On Fri, Aug 5, 2022, 1:13 AM gene heskett wrote: > On 8/4/22 23:28, Ralph Stirling wrote: > > If you have ever wished for a nice way to label > > wiring in a cnc machine project, you should > > consider printing on heat shrink tubing. I just > > bought a used Dymo LabelManager 160 for > > $21 on ebay, and several heat shrink label > > cartridges for about $5 each (for a 5ft roll), > > and it makes beautiful wire tags! I had always > > thought it took an expensive industrial label > > printer to print on heat shrink, but the > > cartridges are compatible with the consumer > > label maker, and work fine in it. The cartridges > > I got were 18051, 18053, and 18055 types > > (1/4", 3/8", and 1/2" wide tubing). I'm going > > to order the 18057 and 1805443 (3/4" and > > 1") for larger cables. > > > > The tapes are from: > > > > > https://www.amazon.com/stores/page/3E2EF336-B1AD-49DD-A724-A476FC0C2A4C/search?ref_=ast_bln=dymo%20heat%20shrink > > > > -- Ralph > > Further searches disclosed its made for Brother P-Touches, PT-D200's so > I bought some too. > Thanks Ralph, take care & stay well. > > ___ > > Emc-users mailing list > > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users > > . > > > Cheers, Gene Heskett. > -- > "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: > soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." > -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940) > If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable. > - Louis D. Brandeis > Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/> > > > > ___ > Emc-users mailing list > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users > ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Linuxcnc OEM?
I have to edit them all down into one video. Maybe I'll do that tonight 樂 Phil T. The Feral Engineer Check out my LinuxCNC tutorials, machine builds and other antics at www.youtube.com/c/theferalengineer Help support my channel efforts and coffee addiction: www.patreon.com/theferalengineer Order one of the coolest label makers on the market at http://labelworks.epson.com, use coupon code "theferalengineer" and receive 20% off of your order On Tue, Jul 19, 2022, 4:11 PM Jérémie Tarot wrote: > Le mar. 19 juil. 2022 à 21:37, Feral Engineer > a écrit : > > > While not as fancy, i think teaching kids how to build Linuxcnc based > > machines is also a rather cool use case > > > > > You already know how much I agree, right?! > And if not as fancy, still to be proven, it is potentially more impactful! > > We're now waiting for your prose and/or video > > ___ > Emc-users mailing list > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users > ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Linuxcnc OEM?
While not as fancy, i think teaching kids how to build Linuxcnc based machines is also a rather cool use case Phil T. The Feral Engineer Check out my LinuxCNC tutorials, machine builds and other antics at www.youtube.com/c/theferalengineer Help support my channel efforts and coffee addiction: www.patreon.com/theferalengineer Order one of the coolest label makers on the market at http://labelworks.epson.com, use coupon code "theferalengineer" and receive 20% off of your order On Tue, Jul 19, 2022, 3:32 PM Jérémie Tarot wrote: > Le mar. 19 juil. 2022 à 19:46, Bari a écrit : > > > Todd, > > > > We have used LCNC on everything from DNA synthesizers to hybrid additive > > manufacturing printers to all sorts of custom CNC machines and factory > > automation. > > > > > These would be such use cases / testimonials on the website! > > ___ > Emc-users mailing list > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users > ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Pi4 SSD, MicroSD use
I'm running an emco pc turn 55 with a pi just because I could. It's not the ideal, but at the time, it was a cheap solution that could be harnessed to get people away from trying to run machines on an Arduino. Lately, however, the price and availability have become crazy, so I found the GK41 mini pc with j4125 quad core Celeron, 8gb ram and 128gb ssd to be a pretty good platform - for now, anyway. Time will tell. Phil T. The Feral Engineer Check out my LinuxCNC tutorials, machine builds and other antics at www.youtube.com/c/theferalengineer Help support my channel efforts and coffee addiction: www.patreon.com/theferalengineer Order one of the coolest label makers on the market at http://labelworks.epson.com, use coupon code "theferalengineer" and receive 20% off of your order On Fri, Jul 1, 2022, 12:53 PM Chris Albertson wrote: > The problem was using the Pi4 as a *development system*. This means > continuous code changes, use of Git and text edits every day for hours. > Simply using LCNC is nothing like that. > > That said. I don't see the point of using a Pi4 as an LCNC controller? > The Pi4 is great and hard to beat if you need a computer to take up > little space and use little power or even run on battery power. I have a > Pi4 right here on my desk inside a robot as the robot has very limited > space and power available. But in the shop, next to the mill and 3D > printer is an Intel i5 with 16GB RAM and an actual spinning disk drive (it > also happens to be connected to the same file server as the pi4). > > On Fri, Jul 1, 2022 at 9:04 AM John Dammeyer > wrote: > > > Hi Chris, > > I like that idea but the if you are using an Ethernet Based MESA 7i92 > then > > the Ethernet port should not really be shared with the rest of the > system. > > > > Ideally then for the rest of the system there should be a USB 3.0 to > > Ethernet Dongle. Or perhaps a SPI bus to Ethernet dongle since none of > > the standard pins on the Pi4 are being used. > > > > Any suggestions on which would be best? > > > > Thanks > > John > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: Chris Albertson [mailto:albertson.ch...@gmail.com] > > > I solved this problem (using Pi4 as a development system) by placing > all > > my > > > files on a file server. Development systems see near constant > > re-compiles > > > and write to log files, source code edits and backups and so on. The > > > networking on the Pi4 is pretty fast, or "fast" compared to an SD card. > > > The File Server is connected to a backup system that does a > > > continuous real-time sync. This means that if the server explodes I > > > lose only a few minutes of work. > > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > Emc-users mailing list > > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users > > > > > -- > > Chris Albertson > Redondo Beach, California > > ___ > Emc-users mailing list > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users > ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] g or m code to home a rotary axis?
On fanuc and controls, g28 trumps absolute position, so the rotary will just turn to index and reset Phil T. The Feral Engineer Check out my LinuxCNC tutorials, machine builds and other antics at www.youtube.com/c/theferalengineer Help support my channel efforts and coffee addiction: www.patreon.com/theferalengineer Order one of the coolest label makers on the market at http://labelworks.epson.com, use coupon code "theferalengineer" and receive 20% off of your order On Fri, Jun 24, 2022, 9:49 PM gene heskett wrote: > On 6/24/22 20:25, andy pugh wrote: > > On Fri, 24 Jun 2022 at 23:48, gene heskett wrote: > > > >> I could re-home it in 1% of that time if there was a *-code to do > >> that from within a program. > > G10? > > > > Maybe G10 and a MOD on the current position. > That might do the job. Can it fix G53 too? Or do I care? IDK. > > > > You can just say "A = 0" with a touch-off. > In this case its B, plus that is not programmable and you > have to stop the program and do it manually. > > So why does your use-case make this a homing question? > I might be 500,000 or more degrees from 0.00 at the end of a > smoothing cut with a small tool. Right now I'm carving hard > maple. I increased the speed for rotary by 10x, but that to be > well utilized, needs a 200k rev spindle, and this one tops at 24k. > It does it, but that also warms up the motor, which has a 3d > printed in carbon fiber filled PETG, shaft adapter which should > be kept below 150C else it might soften. > > Thanks Andy. > > Cheers, Gene Heskett. > -- > "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: > soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." > -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940) > If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable. > - Louis D. Brandeis > Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/> > > > > ___ > Emc-users mailing list > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users > ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] ProLight 2000 Re: Spare 6i25?
I got rid of the old controller, swapped out for DMM 400w 57n servos and used a 7i76e because of the analog pots on the operator panel. I could've used g320x drivers and amt102 encoders, but it was a complete retrofit because i wanted to do a full build with the students as a learning experience. I have the old dc servos, have installed amt102 encoders, acquired some dc drives and will be putting those into an emco compact 5 that was given to me. Phil T. The Feral Engineer Check out my LinuxCNC tutorials, machine builds and other antics at www.youtube.com/c/theferalengineer Help support my channel efforts and coffee addiction: www.patreon.com/theferalengineer Order one of the coolest label makers on the market at http://labelworks.epson.com, use coupon code "theferalengineer" and receive 20% off of your order On Fri, Jun 24, 2022, 5:29 PM Gregg Eshelman via Emc-users < emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net> wrote: > Did you keep the original Animatics servo controller? I have one of these > mills but the only software I know of that works with it is the MS-DOS > software from Light Machines. > It's so antique it needs LIM EMS memory to load gcode into. Newer PCs with > a lot of integrated IO have their high memory area so fragmented that even > if they have a total of 64K free there's no pieces large enough for LIM EMS > 4.0 (or any other EMS manager) to remap into a single piece. > > > One of the Calumet universities had a CAD-LAB program that developed CAM > software specifically for the ProLight 2000. They had Windows, Mac, and > Linux versions. (That would be Windows 9x and Mac OS 8 or 9.) There's an > archive of the site but whomever grabbed it all failed to get the contents > of their FTP server so unless someone out there who was involved in the > CAD-LAB kept a copy, that software is *poof* gone. > > But CAM was all it was. It didn't directly control the PLM2000, it made > gcode to feed through the crusty old DOS software. > > I did get a copy of a bunch of information and software for those > Animatics servo controllers from a guy at Moog-Animatics. He worked for > Animatics and stayed on after the merger. He found it all on an old backup > drive. > Let me know if you want a copy of it. > > One trick the controller can do, which wasn't exploited by Light Machines, > is it can have gcode loaded into its internal RAM to run headless and > continually repeat it. Could setup up a fixture to hold parts and a cycle > start button to have the mill crank out a lot of duplicates. But Light > Machines did their software so a constant serial connection is required to > the control PC. If the connection is interrupted it's just like hitting the > e-stop. > > If you've made the PLM2000 work with the Animatic controller and Linux CNC > or something else, I'm very interested. I'd love to get mine working > because I've not been able to find a PC old enough to be able to run EMS. > > Would be nice to have my old 80286 with 12 megabytes of RAM. 512K on the > mainboard and three full length ISA cards. The first one backfilled the > main RAM to 640K and all the rest on the three was divided between hardware > EMS and XMS. Something like that, with all the extra RAM as EMS, could run > some very large gcode to a PLM2000. > > On Friday, June 24, 2022 at 12:58:02 PM MDT, Feral Engineer < > theferalengin...@gmail.com> wrote: > > How funny, I did a prolight 2000 with some students at my old high school. > I'll be putting up a little montage video on my YouTube channel pretty soon > > Phil T. > The Feral Engineer > > Check out my LinuxCNC tutorials, machine builds and other antics at > www.youtube.com/c/theferalengineer > > Help support my channel efforts and coffee addiction: > www.patreon.com/theferalengineer > > Order one of the coolest label makers on the market at > http://labelworks.epson.com, use coupon code "theferalengineer" and > receive > 20% off of your order > > On Fri, Jun 24, 2022, 1:45 PM Ralph Stirling < > ralph.stirl...@wallawalla.edu> > wrote: > > > Anybody have a spare 6i25 they would be willing to sell? Helping a > friend > > set up his Prolight 1000 mill, and discovered his SFF Dell computer > doesn't > > have pci slots, so the 5i25 we got won't work. Mesaus and Mesanet are > out > > of stock. > > > ___ > Emc-users mailing list > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users > ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Spare 6i25?
How funny, I did a prolight 2000 with some students at my old high school. I'll be putting up a little montage video on my YouTube channel pretty soon Phil T. The Feral Engineer Check out my LinuxCNC tutorials, machine builds and other antics at www.youtube.com/c/theferalengineer Help support my channel efforts and coffee addiction: www.patreon.com/theferalengineer Order one of the coolest label makers on the market at http://labelworks.epson.com, use coupon code "theferalengineer" and receive 20% off of your order On Fri, Jun 24, 2022, 1:45 PM Ralph Stirling wrote: > Anybody have a spare 6i25 they would be willing to sell? Helping a friend > set up his Prolight 1000 mill, and discovered his SFF Dell computer doesn't > have pci slots, so the 5i25 we got won't work. Mesaus and Mesanet are out > of stock. > > Thanks, > -- Ralph > > ___ > Emc-users mailing list > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users > ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Awesome Linuxcnc gui
https://youtu.be/hKqMdsLQJJA Phil T. The Feral Engineer Check out my LinuxCNC tutorials, machine builds and other antics at www.youtube.com/c/theferalengineer Help support my channel efforts and coffee addiction: www.patreon.com/theferalengineer On Sun, May 8, 2022, 5:54 AM Viesturs Lācis wrote: > Umm but what makes you think that this is LinuxCNC? There is nothing > in description and I did not hear any comments in background. Did I > miss something? > > Viesturs > > trešd., 2022. g. 27. apr., plkst. 04:54 — lietotājs andrew beck > () rakstīja: > > > > Hey guys > > > > Does anyone know who built this? > > > > I'm hoping he will allow us to have a look > > > > https://youtu.be/atD7sn25XTY > > > > ___ > > Emc-users mailing list > > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users > > > ___ > Emc-users mailing list > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users > ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Awesome Linuxcnc gui
It's very much a Siemens 840D clone, down to the icons he's using. I'm pretty positive he clipped them directly out of Sinutrain Phil T. The Feral Engineer Check out my LinuxCNC tutorials, machine builds and other antics at www.youtube.com/c/theferalengineer Help support my channel efforts and coffee addiction: www.patreon.com/theferalengineer On Tue, Apr 26, 2022, 10:35 PM Feral Engineer wrote: > I want to know how he got that page of macro variables to come up > > Phil T. > The Feral Engineer > > Check out my LinuxCNC tutorials, machine builds and other antics at > www.youtube.com/c/theferalengineer > > Help support my channel efforts and coffee addiction: > www.patreon.com/theferalengineer > > On Tue, Apr 26, 2022, 9:54 PM andrew beck > wrote: > >> Hey guys >> >> Does anyone know who built this? >> >> I'm hoping he will allow us to have a look >> >> https://youtu.be/atD7sn25XTY >> >> ___ >> Emc-users mailing list >> Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users >> > ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Awesome Linuxcnc gui
I want to know how he got that page of macro variables to come up Phil T. The Feral Engineer Check out my LinuxCNC tutorials, machine builds and other antics at www.youtube.com/c/theferalengineer Help support my channel efforts and coffee addiction: www.patreon.com/theferalengineer On Tue, Apr 26, 2022, 9:54 PM andrew beck wrote: > Hey guys > > Does anyone know who built this? > > I'm hoping he will allow us to have a look > > https://youtu.be/atD7sn25XTY > > ___ > Emc-users mailing list > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users > ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Coordinate systems for horizontal spindles
Horizontals typically follow the same right-hand rule as any other machine, it's just that the coordinates are turned normal to the spindle direction (z axis) Phil T. The Feral Engineer Check out my LinuxCNC tutorials, machine builds and other antics at www.youtube.com/c/theferalengineer Help support my channel efforts and coffee addiction: www.patreon.com/theferalengineer On Mon, Apr 11, 2022, 2:23 PM andy pugh wrote: > On Mon, 11 Apr 2022 at 18:21, Sam Sokolik wrote: > > > > Lol - I always make sure that when I am visualizing a piece of graph > paper > > on the machine - when I command a positive for both x and y - the tool > > would move up and to the right on the paper.. (and Z negative gets the > > tool closer to the part) > > You are the only other LinuxCNC user that I know of with a horizontal > spindle milling machine. (Though I think that Stuart S used to have > one?) > > -- > atp > "A motorcycle is a bicycle with a pandemonium attachment and is > designed for the especial use of mechanical geniuses, daredevils and > lunatics." > — George Fitch, Atlanta Constitution Newspaper, 1912 > > > ___ > Emc-users mailing list > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users > ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] LinuxCNC simulator
For the time being, I would just install the official release iso and use that. Phil T. The Feral Engineer Check out my LinuxCNC tutorials, machine builds and other antics at www.youtube.com/c/theferalengineer Help support my channel efforts and coffee addiction: www.patreon.com/theferalengineer On Tue, Mar 15, 2022, 7:31 PM Thaddeus Waldner wrote: > Hi, > > I would like to set up a linuxcnc vm box for simulation/training in my > classroom. What is the easiest way to do that and not have to mess with > special kernels? > > I have access to a local exsi server so it would be a small matter to run > an .iso. I also have a Debian bullseye vm running on it now, which I use > for projects like this. > > Thanks > > ___ > Emc-users mailing list > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users > ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] IJK vs R
Generally speaking, usually R breaks at 180° where IJK can do a full 360° arc with a single command. I think it's possible to go >180 with a negative R, but I'm not sure where that ends. I've never been a fan of R because it tends to break tangency where ijk are a little more strict. Phil T. The Feral Engineer Check out my LinuxCNC tutorials, machine builds and other antics at www.youtube.com/c/theferalengineer Help support my channel efforts and coffee addiction: www.patreon.com/theferalengineer On Fri, Feb 25, 2022, 10:38 PM cogoman via Emc-users < emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net> wrote: > I believe that R arcs that are 90 degrees or less are going to come out > very close to the IJK versions, but if you want a full circle, it's > better to break it up into 4 90 degree arcs. I don't know just where > radius arcs start to diverge from IJK arcs, but I would guess that 180 > and 360 degrees are problem spots. > > On 2/10/22 16:30, Les Newell wrote: > > That code is testing the 180 degree issue, which is not usually a > > major problem as far as accuracy is concerned. Try using a R value of > > 5.002, instead of 5.0025. In this case the arc does not technically > > fit. Some controllers throw a fit and some quietly fudge the radius to > > fit. I think LCNC fudges the radius, adding a tiny amount of error but > > it won't be enough to measure. > > > > Try using an R arc that's really close to a circle. Tiny rounding > > errors in the X,Y coordinates can move the arc all over the place. > > > > Les > > > > On 10/02/2022 00:17, andy pugh wrote: > >> Thde docs state that a 7% difference was seen, but with some brief > >> experimentation I can't see it: > >> > >> F1000 > >> G0 X0 Y0 > >> G2 X10 Y0.1 R5.00025 > >> G0 X0 Y0 > >> G2 X10 Y0.1 I5.0 J0.05 > >> M2 > >> > > > > > > > > ___ > > Emc-users mailing list > > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users > > > ___ > Emc-users mailing list > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users > ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Choice of CNC conversions
The pay walls, axis limits and markups on accessories are the reasons I avoided centroid. The thing I love most about Linuxcnc is the flexibility, reliability and yes, classicladder - or at least ladder based plc in general, which makes it incredibly easy to figure out for someone with an industrial electronics background. I do miss some of the functionality of industrial controls inside of LinuxCNC that I think should be implemented, but all in all, it's an incredible tool. I do think that in order for it to gain traction, it needs some more "black box" usability, though. As an example, an input sniffer to assign hal pins to button presses on a game controller or hardware buttons on a Mesa card would be kinda cool to implement. Phil T. The Feral Engineer Check out my LinuxCNC tutorials, machine builds and other antics at www.youtube.com/c/theferalengineer Help support my channel efforts and coffee addiction: www.patreon.com/theferalengineer On Mon, Dec 27, 2021, 4:38 PM gene heskett wrote: > On Sunday, December 26, 2021 1:30:42 PM EST John Dammeyer wrote: > > Hi Mark, > > I'll summarize your basic premise here that all machines are different. > > That's true! > > > > And MACH2/3/4 has a huge user base without ever needing a command line > > editor. So if it can be done for Windows then certainly it can be done > > for LCNC. > > > > Having said that I'm also not suggesting we do away with the underbelly > of > > what is LCNC. Please recall my original post in this subject. The > > ACORN based system cannot run an old iron system with existing servo > > drives. It's likely it can't even run a system with a STMBL drive that > > faults on low power supply voltage which mine does because I have a soft > > start delay on mine so ENABLE shows up before the Voltage is there. > > Doesn't look like it can even do step/dir for the spindle (which MACH3 > > can). So there is a place for the 'raw' LinuxCNC install and HAL/INI > > file model. > > > > But that user I mentioned wasn't interested in learning a new OS and the > > ACORN was a one stop shop for the Ethernet controlled step/dir/VFD/IO > > board and windows CNC software. He went with Clearpath Servos so he > > wasn't adverse to spending money. He could just as easily have installed > > LCNC 2.8.2 and the MESA board with terminal strips and used the config > > screens in AXIS and I suspect for less money. But the LinuxOS itself > > appeared to also scare him away so he likely would never be a user. > > > > I think everyone who likes using an editor for configuration and issuing > > multiple commands with a command line interface has already been brought > > over to the dark side so to speak. They aren't the market for expanding > > the LCNC user base. > > > > I've attached a screen shot of something I've been playing with. Took > > about an hour to write using a modern GUI based software development > > tool; in this case Lazarus Free Pascal. The TCanvas Property has all > > sorts of drawing tools so I thought I'd take a quick look at the Axis > > source code. To see how easy it would be to port over the Preview screen > > to Pascal. > > > > I was immediately reminded of something I written many years ago by > > Nicholas Wirth the author of Pascal. "Those who learn Fortran as their > > first language are brain damaged for life". Rather harsh actually and > > taken out of context appears elitist . OTOH, 4195 lines of essentially > > undocumented python code does look like a lot of the Fortran code the > > Electrical Engineers were writing in University while we in the Comp Sci. > > stream were writing in structured languages Algol-68. And those were not > > for GUI type interfaces which add to complexity. > > > > For example: > > if o.canon: > > x = (o.canon.min_extents[0] + o.canon.max_extents[0])/2 > > y = (o.canon.min_extents[1] + o.canon.max_extents[1])/2 > > z = (o.canon.min_extents[2] + o.canon.max_extents[2])/2 > > o.set_centerpoint(x, y, z) > > > > If you go searching for o.cannon you find: > > o.canon = canon = AxisCanon(o, widgets.text, i, progress, arcdivision) > > > > Search for AxisCAnon and we find the object definition: > > class AxisCanon(GLCanon, StatMixin): > > > > Now we're into the include side of things where the rs274 library is > > needed: from rs274.interpret import StatMixin > > from rs274.glcanon import GLCanon, GlCanonDraw > > > > which takes us to here: > > https://github.com/LinuxCNC/linuxcnc/blob/master/lib/python/rs274/ > glcanon. > > py which is another 1886 lines
Re: [Emc-users] Choice of CNC conversions
I kinda want to help with development for free, I'm just lost on where to start in the millions of lines of code Phil T. The Feral Engineer Check out my LinuxCNC tutorials, machine builds and other antics at www.youtube.com/c/theferalengineer Help support my channel efforts and coffee addiction: www.patreon.com/theferalengineer On Fri, Dec 24, 2021, 5:33 PM Peter C. Wallace wrote: > On Fri, 24 Dec 2021, Chris Albertson wrote: > > > Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2021 10:51:24 -0800 > > From: Chris Albertson > > Reply-To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)" > > > > To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)" > > > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Choice of CNC conversions > > > > The problem that is limiting LCNC's wider use is that it is a very old > design. It is definitely not what anyone would design today. And it is > not what moderned users expect or want. Documentation i=will not change > what it is. > > > Hey, maybe you should tell Siemens to drop real time Linux > as the basis for their industrial OS since its such an old design... > > > Peter Wallace > Mesa Electronics > > > > > ___ > Emc-users mailing list > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users > ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Probing
I use work with probe, but I am going to customize the routines a little to work the way I want them to and Andrew Beck I believe uses his probes. Phil T. The Feral Engineer Check out my LinuxCNC tutorials, machine builds and other antics at www.youtube.com/c/theferalengineer Help support my channel efforts and coffee addiction: www.patreon.com/theferalengineer On Sun, Oct 24, 2021, 11:01 AM andy pugh wrote: > On Sun, 24 Oct 2021 at 08:02, John Dammeyer > wrote: > > > > Is anyone using > > https://github.com/verser-git/probe_screen_v2 > > > > Any comments about it? > > About 50 pages of comments here: > > https://forum.linuxcnc.org/49-basic-configuration/29187-work-with-probe?start=0 > > Verser also sells relatively inexpensive touch-probes: > https://vers.by/en/16-touch-probes > > -- > atp > "A motorcycle is a bicycle with a pandemonium attachment and is > designed for the especial use of mechanical geniuses, daredevils and > lunatics." > — George Fitch, Atlanta Constitution Newspaper, 1912 > > > ___ > Emc-users mailing list > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users > ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Work Coordinate Editor?
Gmoccapy has a work offset page, so maybe reverse engineer where that's coming from? Phil T. The Feral Engineer Check out my LinuxCNC tutorials, machine builds and other antics at www.youtube.com/c/theferalengineer Help support my channel efforts and coffee addiction: www.patreon.com/theferalengineer On Thu, Oct 21, 2021, 1:48 PM John Dammeyer wrote: > Hi Todd, > Eventually I will get back to working with the AXIS display for access to > various parameters and adding graphical tools for standard operations. But > I keep getting distracted by other things that eat up time. > > John Dammeyer > > > -Original Message- > > From: Todd Zuercher [mailto:to...@pgrahamdunn.com] > > Sent: October-21-21 10:03 AM > > To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) > > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Work Coordinate Editor? > > > > For the same reasons that it is nice to have the tool table editor and > not have to remember and use MDI commands. It is also nice to > > be able to see the values of work coordinate offsets without having to > load/switch to that coordinate system. (And it is the way our > > machine operators are used to working with Fanuc machines.) > > > > Todd Zuercher > > P. Graham Dunn Inc. > > 630 Henry Street > > Dalton, Ohio 44618 > > Phone: (330)828-2105ext. 2031 > > > > -Original Message- > > From: andy pugh > > Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2021 11:33 AM > > To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) > > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Work Coordinate Editor? > > > > [EXTERNAL EMAIL] Be sure links are safe. > > > > On Thu, 21 Oct 2021 at 16:28, Todd Zuercher > wrote: > > > > > > How hard would it be to add an editor to Linuxcnc (specifically for > the Axis ui) for displaying and editing the work coordinate > > offsets directly? Something similar to the tool table editor, where you > can view and edit all of the work coordinate values for each > > axis (G54, G55, G56...). > > > > Probably not all that hard. It could potentially be a tab in tooledit. > > > > I am curious what the use-case is? On the rare occasions that I have > wanted to do this I have used G10 in MDI. > > > > -- > > atp > > "A motorcycle is a bicycle with a pandemonium attachment and is designed > for the especial use of mechanical geniuses, daredevils > > and lunatics." > > - George Fitch, Atlanta Constitution Newspaper, 1912 > > > > > > ___ > > Emc-users mailing list > > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > > > https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.sourceforge.net%2Flists%2Flistinfo%2Femc- > > usersdata=04%7C01%7Ctoddz%40pgrahamdunn.com > %7C7bc8b7cc74024a89943208d994a82d62%7C5758544c573f47cebee9 > > > 6c3e0806fb43%7C0%7C0%7C637704272300378355%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJ > > > BTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000sdata=MdRzuvEh38qz25tAtDRbvtsSIA8Sg7uTljWpXxVFhyI%3Dreserved=0 > > > > > > ___ > > Emc-users mailing list > > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users > > > > ___ > Emc-users mailing list > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users > ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Home with home switch and index
I had a go with this a while back with my emco lathe. I wanted to home against a switch, trigger an index pulse from a prox and call it zero. 2.8 wouldn't let me because it was looking for an encoder reset signal that I didn't have, but 2.9 included a new function called something like no_home_index or something like that which worked perfectly. Here's a video https://youtu.be/6_CrfcJXfDw Phil T. The Feral Engineer Check out my LinuxCNC tutorials, machine builds and other antics at www.youtube.com/c/theferalengineer Help support my channel efforts and coffee addiction: www.patreon.com/theferalengineer On Tue, Sep 28, 2021, 3:59 PM Nicklas SB Karlsson wrote: > Seems to have some accuracy problem with home switch and need to improve. > > Reading the manual I have not been able to figure out if homing with > home switch and index what happen if home switch is located close to > index pulse. It might happen more or less random index pulse is > sometimes triggered to the left of home switch other times one turn away > to the right or the other way. > > > Nicklas Karlsson > > > > ___ > Emc-users mailing list > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users > ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] jerk control
As someone who uses functions like g8p1, g5.1q1 and g5p1 on mits/fanuc and cycle832 on Siemens, I can say that the need for high speed data processing functionality is pretty great. Although I don't know how Linuxcnc processes g code data, I do know that the aforementioned functions will buffer hundreds of lines of code and smooth the transitions between points to a certain degree of accuracy, much like calculating down to a nurb or spline instead of worrying about acc/dec on a point to point basis. Much like how lcnc has g64 with selectable accuracy, these functions offer selectable acc/dec settings that will either rattle your fillings or smooth out sharp corners to be razor perfect. I've not tried to run any of my lcnc machines at speeds that would make me see an eminent need for this functionality, but I'm sure it would be a welcomed addition. Phil T. The Feral Engineer Check out my LinuxCNC tutorials, machine builds and other antics at www.youtube.com/c/theferalengineer Help support my channel efforts and coffee addiction: www.patreon.com/theferalengineer On Mon, Aug 23, 2021, 10:17 AM Todd Zuercher wrote: > To my lay persons eyes I would think it would be enough to jerk limit in > joint space. The limiting in Cartesian space would then take care of > itself. > > As to the jogging question, does it matter? Why would jogging have to > have the same acceleration limits as planned motion? Set the jogging > limits to something safe and conservative that won't matter if they are > jerk limited. > > Todd Zuercher > P. Graham Dunn Inc. > 630 Henry Street > Dalton, Ohio 44618 > Phone: (330)828-2105ext. 2031 > > -Original Message- > From: andy pugh > Sent: Monday, August 23, 2021 4:50 AM > To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] jerk control > > [EXTERNAL EMAIL] Be sure links are safe. > > On Mon, 23 Aug 2021 at 04:40, Chris Albertson > wrote: > > > Actually for a machine tool, why not run the simulation off-line and > > use as much time and computer power as it takes. > > Feed-override? > > Do you allow infinite jerk on abort? You might think that is an easy > question, except that continuous jog is implemented as a move to the limit > that is aborted on key release. > > And, do we need to jerk-limit in joint space or cartesian space, or both? > > -- > atp > "A motorcycle is a bicycle with a pandemonium attachment and is designed > for the especial use of mechanical geniuses, daredevils and lunatics." > - George Fitch, Atlanta Constitution Newspaper, 1912 > > > ___ > Emc-users mailing list > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > > https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.sourceforge.net%2Flists%2Flistinfo%2Femc-usersdata=04%7C01%7Ctoddz%40pgrahamdunn.com%7Caaabdbd2b59a4e0ad88708d966134695%7C5758544c573f47cebee96c3e0806fb43%7C0%7C0%7C637653055682515186%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000sdata=iD2Nxd21YC5aKx8hByW2ScEBuMjM9%2FXJCwo05FHb%2BLU%3Dreserved=0 > > > ___ > Emc-users mailing list > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users > ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] jerk control
I'm curious what the current level of block lookahead is on lcnc compared to commercial controls. Anyone know the amount of data buffering that it can handle? Phil T. The Feral Engineer Check out my LinuxCNC tutorials, machine builds and other antics at www.youtube.com/c/theferalengineer Help support my channel efforts and coffee addiction: www.patreon.com/theferalengineer On Tue, Aug 17, 2021, 9:36 PM Sam Sokolik wrote: > It would be the same setup... Just using servo amps.. Velocity out of > the pid - position back from the encoders. > > On Tue, Aug 17, 2021, 8:14 PM andrew beck > wrote: > > > Not sure Sam. > > > > I have a 7i77 on this mill though also. So analog control > > > > On Wed, Aug 18, 2021, 12:51 PM Sam Sokolik wrote: > > > > > I am going to ask a stuid question.. If you have a velocity run step > gen > > > with pid. Couldn't you hook a limit3 between the pid and steghen. > > > Because the input is velocity instead of position - wouldn't the > > > acceleration limit in the limit3 be jerk instead of acceleration? I > am > > > sure it doesn't work that way.. I was just thinking you have moved the > > > derivatives up one.. > > > > > > (I can tell you it doesn't seem to work in practice - probably because > > the > > > pid will always try to correct the error. Like maybe you would need to > > > negate the limit3 amount on the feedback side..) > > > > > > On Tue, Aug 17, 2021 at 1:28 PM Scott Harwell via Emc-users < > > > emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net> wrote: > > > > > > > I haven't tried it yet, but this looks promising. > > > > LinuxCNC S-Curve Accelerations > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Scott H > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tuesday, August 17, 2021, 12:57:06 PM CDT, Ralph Stirling < > > > > ralph.stirl...@wallawalla.edu> wrote: > > > > > > > > I've also been hoping to see this appear in a Linuxcnc update, > > > > as it has been worked on by a number of people for years. > > > > Here are the most recent threads about jerk-limited trajectory > > planning: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://forum.linuxcnc.org/24-hal-components/40152-jerk-limited-trajectory-planner-hal-component > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://forum.linuxcnc.org/38-general-linuxcnc-questions/34666-c2-smooth-velocity-profile?start=0 > > > > > > > > -- Ralph > > > > > > > > From: David Berndt [ber...@uberwin.com] > > > > Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2021 9:01 AM > > > > To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC); andrew beck > > > > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] jerk control > > > > > > > > CAUTION: This email originated from outside the Walla Walla > University > > > > email system. > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't have a great need for it with my machines, or the time/brains > > to > > > > implement it. It just seems like a feature we really should have. > > > > > > > > I'd be willing to participate monetarily in some sort of system to > > > > incentivize the inclusion of jerk control. Perhaps an open-source > > feature > > > > bounty? Does the community want to consider that sort of thing? > > > > > > > > -Dave > > > > > > > > On Mon, 16 Aug 2021 23:06:05 -0400, andrew beck < > > > andrewbeck0...@gmail.com> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > hey guys > > > > > > > > > > I am sitting here watching my cnc mill atm its shaking quite a bit > > > > > acceleration is 600mm/sec2 which is not that high i think. > compared > > > to > > > > > every other cnc mill i have used with a commercial controller. > they > > > have > > > > > jerk control and work much better. so looking forward to when we > get > > > > > jerk > > > > > control here on linuxcnc! > > > > > > > > > > but in the mean time i need a poor mans jerk control and thinking > of > > a > > > > > limit on the pid output to chop down the initial acceleration for > the > > > > > first > > > > > moment in time just so little moves don't shake it to death >
Re: [Emc-users] trying to derate yaskawa drives from SGDB 20 VD drives to run size 15 motors
Honestly, I would email yaskawa and find out for sure. Phil T. The Feral Engineer Check out my LinuxCNC tutorials, machine builds and other antics at www.youtube.com/c/theferalengineer Help support my channel efforts and coffee addiction: www.patreon.com/theferalengineer On Mon, Aug 2, 2021, 4:56 AM andrew beck wrote: > Thanks mate. I'll do that. > > I connected them up and got a moving machine today. Yeha! > > > > On Mon, Aug 2, 2021, 8:51 PM Andrew wrote: > > > пн, 2 серп. 2021 о 04:13 andrew beck пише: > > > > > hey guys > > > > > > just getting into a big biesse machine > > > > > > i had mecholink drives and happened to have some standard +-10v VD > > drives > > > that allow me to connect up easily > > > > > > problem is that the machine has 2 pics 15 size drives for the x and z > > axis > > > while i have 20 size drives to replace them > > > > > > so question is had anyone ever downrated the drives > > > > > > The drives have max torque setting. The default is 300%. Just decrease > it > > to 225% and that's it, I guess... > > > > ___ > > Emc-users mailing list > > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users > > > > ___ > Emc-users mailing list > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users > ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Emergeny stop, and maybe normal stop
With safety relays, they require an external reset after being released. Every machine tool I've been on in the last 20 years operates in this fashion. Release estop Press "power on" or "drive enable" button to reset the pilz Phil T. The Feral Engineer Check out my LinuxCNC tutorials, machine builds and other antics at www.youtube.com/c/theferalengineer Help support my channel efforts and coffee addiction: www.patreon.com/theferalengineer On Sun, Aug 1, 2021, 3:14 PM Nicklas SB Karlsson wrote: > Anyone have any experience or knowledge with emergency stop circuit? > > > Connected a special safety relay breaking the 24 volt power supply > driving the relays today. Then emergency stop have been pushed it have > to be reset before relay is switched on again. > > > Nicklas Karlsson > > > > ___ > Emc-users mailing list > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users > ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Vmc retrofit. Random position toolchanger, and rigid Tapping all go
I'd like to have a look at your files. You know I love me some classicladder Phil T. The Feral Engineer Check out my LinuxCNC tutorials, machine builds and other antics at www.youtube.com/c/theferalengineer Help support my channel efforts and coffee addiction: www.patreon.com/theferalengineer On Fri, Jul 23, 2021, 12:27 AM andrew beck wrote: > Hey everyone. > > Hopefully this is interesting. > > https://youtu.be/C253C9ODMn4 > > > Love linuxcnc! > > Rigid Tapping just works. I can tap m12 easy as. And spindle orientation > works fine. > > Plus the side mount toolchanger works good. > > Toolchanger stuff was mostly done in classic ladder. > > Sing out of you want the files. > > Cheers > > Andrew > > ___ > Emc-users mailing list > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users > ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Code of Conduct
Honestly, i do. Read it again. I think it's been changed because it's not really that bad. It literally just says don't be a d-bag. I didn't sidestep, I just don't see why I should get deeper into it. I don't let petty matters bother me. It's just an email list for a free piece of software. Don't let it spoil your whole day. Phil T. The Feral Engineer Check out my LinuxCNC tutorials, machine builds and other antics at www.youtube.com/c/theferalengineer Help support my channel efforts and coffee addiction: www.patreon.com/theferalengineer On Sun, Jul 18, 2021, 6:20 PM Mark Wendt wrote: > And you sidestepped my question yet again. > > On Sun, Jul 18, 2021, 17:21 Feral Engineer > wrote: > > > I honestly just think you're reading into it way too deeply. Way bigger > > fish to fry in the world these days. > > > > Phil T. > > The Feral Engineer > > > > Check out my LinuxCNC tutorials, machine builds and other antics at > > www.youtube.com/c/theferalengineer > > > > Help support my channel efforts and coffee addiction: > > www.patreon.com/theferalengineer > > > > On Sun, Jul 18, 2021, 5:14 PM Mark Wendt wrote: > > > > > I didn't ask if it was commonplace. I asked if you agreed with > everything > > > in it. Just because something may be commonplace doesn't necessarily > mean > > > its good. > > > > > > On Sun, Jul 18, 2021, 16:34 Feral Engineer > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > i just glanced at it again, it's pretty commonplace. Unless all of > the > > > > admins all agree to enforce the code, it's pretty much going to be > > > handled > > > > by an army of one and forgotten about the second people stop feeding > > into > > > > it negatively. > > > > > > > > Phil T. > > > > The Feral Engineer > > > > > > > > Check out my LinuxCNC tutorials, machine builds and other antics at > > > > www.youtube.com/c/theferalengineer > > > > > > > > Help support my channel efforts and coffee addiction: > > > > www.patreon.com/theferalengineer > > > > > > > > On Sun, Jul 18, 2021, 4:20 PM Mark Wendt > wrote: > > > > > > > > > It's still a topic because the Code is still up. Do you agree with > > > > > everything included in the Code? > > > > > > > > > > Mark > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, Jul 18, 2021, 15:47 Feral Engineer < > > theferalengin...@gmail.com > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > I find it hard to believe that this is still a topic of > discussion. > > > > > Simply > > > > > > put, just don't be a jerk. Done. Move on with your day. > > > > > > > > > > > > Back to vinyl siding for me... > > > > > > > > > > > > Phil T. > > > > > > The Feral Engineer > > > > > > > > > > > > Check out my LinuxCNC tutorials, machine builds and other antics > at > > > > > > www.youtube.com/c/theferalengineer > > > > > > > > > > > > Help support my channel efforts and coffee addiction: > > > > > > www.patreon.com/theferalengineer > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, Jul 18, 2021, 3:29 PM Mark Wendt > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Since we're not signing up new members by the dozens, and the > > vast > > > > > > majority > > > > > > > of the group has been on this list for ages, grandfathering > > > everybody > > > > > > makes > > > > > > > the CoC rather pointless don't you think? Perhaps even more so > > than > > > > it > > > > > > > already is? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mark > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, Jul 18, 2021, 14:39 Stuart Stevenson < > stus...@gmail.com> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gentlemen, > > > > > > > > Heh - seems to me a LARGE portion of the group should be > > > > > grandfathered > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > with any COC not applying to participants not having agreed > to > > > work > > > > > > unde
Re: [Emc-users] Code of Conduct
Agreed, Gene but my goodness, this topic is being beaten to death. All I want to do is build machines and help others so the same. Phil T. The Feral Engineer Check out my LinuxCNC tutorials, machine builds and other antics at www.youtube.com/c/theferalengineer Help support my channel efforts and coffee addiction: www.patreon.com/theferalengineer On Sun, Jul 18, 2021, 5:20 PM Gene Heskett wrote: > On Sunday 18 July 2021 16:58:02 Feral Engineer wrote: > > > The only control I'm worried about on this email list is CNC control > > > > Phil T. > > The Feral Engineer > > Exactly Phil, although I don't mind a side detour that lets me know how > others think. > > > Check out my LinuxCNC tutorials, machine builds and other antics at > > www.youtube.com/c/theferalengineer > > > > Help support my channel efforts and coffee addiction: > > www.patreon.com/theferalengineer > > > > On Sun, Jul 18, 2021, 4:34 PM R C wrote: > > > On 7/18/21 2:18 PM, Mark Wendt wrote: > > > > Snort. That works so well. > > > > > > It working well was never the intention, it's the "control" part > > > that was of interest. > > > > > > Ron > > > > > > > On Sun, Jul 18, 2021, 15:59 R C wrote: > > > >> On 7/18/21 1:22 PM, Mark Wendt wrote: > > > >>> Whoever decided we somehow needed a Code of Conduct. Someone > > > >>> needs to enforce it, no? > > > >> > > > >> Nah, it could be done like gun control in Chicago > > > >> > > > >>> Mark > > > >>> > > > >>> On Sun, Jul 18, 2021, 14:11 Stuart Stevenson > > > > > > wrote: > > > >>>> Who is the sheriff? > > > >>>> > > > >>>> On Sun, Jul 18, 2021, 9:37 AM fxkl47BF via Emc-users < > > > >>>> > > > >>>> emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net> wrote: > > > >>>>> On Saturday, July 17th, 2021 at 12:28 PM, Stuart Stevenson < > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> stus...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > >>>>>> WOW - I missed it all! > > > >>>>>> My wife and I left 24 Jun 2021 and returned 07 Jul 2021. I > > > >>>>>> didn't > > > >> > > > >> check > > > >> > > > >>>>>> emails until we returned. > > > >>>>>> Seems to me a lot of people confuse the right to comment with > > > >>>>>> the obligation to comment. > > > >>>>>> The COC appears to be a compilation of what everyone on the > > > >>>>>> list has > > > >>>> > > > >>>> been > > > >>>> > > > >>>>>> doing all along. Therefore, Jeff's comment, "a non-event", is > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> appropriate. > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> it's "a non-event" until the sheriff bans you > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> ___ > > > >>>>> Emc-users mailing list > > > >>>>> Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > > > >>>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users > > > >>>> > > > >>>> ___ > > > >>>> Emc-users mailing list > > > >>>> Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > > > >>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users > > > >>> > > > >>> ___ > > > >>> Emc-users mailing list > > > >>> Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > > > >>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users > > > >> > > > >> ___ > > > >> Emc-users mailing list > > > >> Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > > > >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users > > > > > > > > ___ > > > > Emc-users mailing list > > > > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > > > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users > > > > > > ___ > > > Emc-users mailing list > > > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users > > > > ___ > > Emc-users mailing list > > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users > > > Cheers, Gene Heskett > -- > "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: > soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." > -Ed Howdershelt (Author) > If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable. > - Louis D. Brandeis > Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene> > > > ___ > Emc-users mailing list > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users > ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Code of Conduct
I honestly just think you're reading into it way too deeply. Way bigger fish to fry in the world these days. Phil T. The Feral Engineer Check out my LinuxCNC tutorials, machine builds and other antics at www.youtube.com/c/theferalengineer Help support my channel efforts and coffee addiction: www.patreon.com/theferalengineer On Sun, Jul 18, 2021, 5:14 PM Mark Wendt wrote: > I didn't ask if it was commonplace. I asked if you agreed with everything > in it. Just because something may be commonplace doesn't necessarily mean > its good. > > On Sun, Jul 18, 2021, 16:34 Feral Engineer > wrote: > > > i just glanced at it again, it's pretty commonplace. Unless all of the > > admins all agree to enforce the code, it's pretty much going to be > handled > > by an army of one and forgotten about the second people stop feeding into > > it negatively. > > > > Phil T. > > The Feral Engineer > > > > Check out my LinuxCNC tutorials, machine builds and other antics at > > www.youtube.com/c/theferalengineer > > > > Help support my channel efforts and coffee addiction: > > www.patreon.com/theferalengineer > > > > On Sun, Jul 18, 2021, 4:20 PM Mark Wendt wrote: > > > > > It's still a topic because the Code is still up. Do you agree with > > > everything included in the Code? > > > > > > Mark > > > > > > On Sun, Jul 18, 2021, 15:47 Feral Engineer > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > I find it hard to believe that this is still a topic of discussion. > > > Simply > > > > put, just don't be a jerk. Done. Move on with your day. > > > > > > > > Back to vinyl siding for me... > > > > > > > > Phil T. > > > > The Feral Engineer > > > > > > > > Check out my LinuxCNC tutorials, machine builds and other antics at > > > > www.youtube.com/c/theferalengineer > > > > > > > > Help support my channel efforts and coffee addiction: > > > > www.patreon.com/theferalengineer > > > > > > > > On Sun, Jul 18, 2021, 3:29 PM Mark Wendt > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Since we're not signing up new members by the dozens, and the vast > > > > majority > > > > > of the group has been on this list for ages, grandfathering > everybody > > > > makes > > > > > the CoC rather pointless don't you think? Perhaps even more so than > > it > > > > > already is? > > > > > > > > > > Mark > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, Jul 18, 2021, 14:39 Stuart Stevenson > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Gentlemen, > > > > > > Heh - seems to me a LARGE portion of the group should be > > > grandfathered > > > > in > > > > > > with any COC not applying to participants not having agreed to > work > > > > under > > > > > > any COC restrictions or guidelines. Going forward agreement to be > > > bound > > > > > by > > > > > > the COC could be made a part of the process welcoming new > > > participants. > > > > > > Retroactive agreement could be agreed to on a voluntary > participant > > > by > > > > > > participant basis. > > > > > > I don't recall seeing a complaint process to report offenders. > > > > > > There could possibly be a couple more unintended consequences > > hiding > > > in > > > > > the > > > > > > weeds. :) > > > > > > Just thinking out loud (or thinking while typing) > > > > > > You cannot imagine how long it took to type this. I can think > and I > > > can > > > > > > type but combining the two abuses my backspace button. > > > > > > regards > > > > > > Stuart > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, Jul 18, 2021 at 1:23 PM Gene Heskett < > ghesk...@shentel.net > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sunday 18 July 2021 14:08:02 Stuart Stevenson wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Who is the sheriff? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I guess it was Jeff Epler who wrote it up, but I don't know if > > > there > > > > > is a > > > > > > > designated sheriff. > > > > > > >
Re: [Emc-users] Code of Conduct
The only control I'm worried about on this email list is CNC control Phil T. The Feral Engineer Check out my LinuxCNC tutorials, machine builds and other antics at www.youtube.com/c/theferalengineer Help support my channel efforts and coffee addiction: www.patreon.com/theferalengineer On Sun, Jul 18, 2021, 4:34 PM R C wrote: > > On 7/18/21 2:18 PM, Mark Wendt wrote: > > Snort. That works so well. > > It working well was never the intention, it's the "control" part that > was of interest. > > Ron > > > > > On Sun, Jul 18, 2021, 15:59 R C wrote: > > > >> On 7/18/21 1:22 PM, Mark Wendt wrote: > >>> Whoever decided we somehow needed a Code of Conduct. Someone needs to > >>> enforce it, no? > >> Nah, it could be done like gun control in Chicago > >> > >> > >>> Mark > >>> > >>> On Sun, Jul 18, 2021, 14:11 Stuart Stevenson > wrote: > >>> > >>>> Who is the sheriff? > >>>> > >>>> On Sun, Jul 18, 2021, 9:37 AM fxkl47BF via Emc-users < > >>>> emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net> wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> On Saturday, July 17th, 2021 at 12:28 PM, Stuart Stevenson < > >>>>> stus...@gmail.com> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>> WOW - I missed it all! > >>>>>> My wife and I left 24 Jun 2021 and returned 07 Jul 2021. I didn't > >> check > >>>>>> emails until we returned. > >>>>>> Seems to me a lot of people confuse the right to comment with the > >>>>>> obligation to comment. > >>>>>> The COC appears to be a compilation of what everyone on the list has > >>>> been > >>>>>> doing all along. Therefore, Jeff's comment, "a non-event", is > >>>>> appropriate. > >>>>> > >>>>> it's "a non-event" until the sheriff bans you > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> ___ > >>>>> Emc-users mailing list > >>>>> Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > >>>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users > >>>>> > >>>> ___ > >>>> Emc-users mailing list > >>>> Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > >>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users > >>>> > >>> ___ > >>> Emc-users mailing list > >>> Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > >>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users > >> > >> ___ > >> Emc-users mailing list > >> Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users > >> > > ___ > > Emc-users mailing list > > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users > > > ___ > Emc-users mailing list > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users > ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
[Emc-users] Features setting in ini
Anyone have a list of what the values in the features ini setting pertain to? Anytime I include features, i just set it to features=30, like verser "work with probe" uses. It would be nice to know what I'm doing rather than just blindly setting a value. Phil T. The Feral Engineer Check out my LinuxCNC tutorials, machine builds and other antics at www.youtube.com/c/theferalengineer Help support my channel efforts and coffee addiction: www.patreon.com/theferalengineer ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Code of Conduct
i just glanced at it again, it's pretty commonplace. Unless all of the admins all agree to enforce the code, it's pretty much going to be handled by an army of one and forgotten about the second people stop feeding into it negatively. Phil T. The Feral Engineer Check out my LinuxCNC tutorials, machine builds and other antics at www.youtube.com/c/theferalengineer Help support my channel efforts and coffee addiction: www.patreon.com/theferalengineer On Sun, Jul 18, 2021, 4:20 PM Mark Wendt wrote: > It's still a topic because the Code is still up. Do you agree with > everything included in the Code? > > Mark > > On Sun, Jul 18, 2021, 15:47 Feral Engineer > wrote: > > > I find it hard to believe that this is still a topic of discussion. > Simply > > put, just don't be a jerk. Done. Move on with your day. > > > > Back to vinyl siding for me... > > > > Phil T. > > The Feral Engineer > > > > Check out my LinuxCNC tutorials, machine builds and other antics at > > www.youtube.com/c/theferalengineer > > > > Help support my channel efforts and coffee addiction: > > www.patreon.com/theferalengineer > > > > On Sun, Jul 18, 2021, 3:29 PM Mark Wendt wrote: > > > > > Since we're not signing up new members by the dozens, and the vast > > majority > > > of the group has been on this list for ages, grandfathering everybody > > makes > > > the CoC rather pointless don't you think? Perhaps even more so than it > > > already is? > > > > > > Mark > > > > > > On Sun, Jul 18, 2021, 14:39 Stuart Stevenson > wrote: > > > > > > > Gentlemen, > > > > Heh - seems to me a LARGE portion of the group should be > grandfathered > > in > > > > with any COC not applying to participants not having agreed to work > > under > > > > any COC restrictions or guidelines. Going forward agreement to be > bound > > > by > > > > the COC could be made a part of the process welcoming new > participants. > > > > Retroactive agreement could be agreed to on a voluntary participant > by > > > > participant basis. > > > > I don't recall seeing a complaint process to report offenders. > > > > There could possibly be a couple more unintended consequences hiding > in > > > the > > > > weeds. :) > > > > Just thinking out loud (or thinking while typing) > > > > You cannot imagine how long it took to type this. I can think and I > can > > > > type but combining the two abuses my backspace button. > > > > regards > > > > Stuart > > > > > > > > On Sun, Jul 18, 2021 at 1:23 PM Gene Heskett > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Sunday 18 July 2021 14:08:02 Stuart Stevenson wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Who is the sheriff? > > > > > > > > > > > I guess it was Jeff Epler who wrote it up, but I don't know if > there > > > is a > > > > > designated sheriff. > > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, Jul 18, 2021, 9:37 AM fxkl47BF via Emc-users < > > > > > [...] > > > > > > > > The COC appears to be a compilation of what everyone on the > > list > > > > > > > > has been doing all along. Therefore, Jeff's comment, "a > > > > > > > > non-event", is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > appropriate. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it's "a non-event" until the sheriff bans you > > > > > > > > > > No Cheers, Gene Heskett > > > > > -- > > > > > "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: > > > > > soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." > > > > > -Ed Howdershelt (Author) > > > > > If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law > > > respectable. > > > > > - Louis D. Brandeis > > > > > Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Addressee is the intended audience. > > > > If you are not the addressee then my consent is not given for you to > > read > > > > this email furthermore it is my wish you would close this without > > saving > > > or > > > > reading, and cease and desist from saving or opening my private > > > > correspondence. > > > > Thank you for honoring my wish. > > > > > > > > ___ > > > > Emc-users mailing list > > > > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > > > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > > Emc-users mailing list > > > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users > > > > > > > ___ > > Emc-users mailing list > > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users > > > > ___ > Emc-users mailing list > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users > ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Code of Conduct
I find it hard to believe that this is still a topic of discussion. Simply put, just don't be a jerk. Done. Move on with your day. Back to vinyl siding for me... Phil T. The Feral Engineer Check out my LinuxCNC tutorials, machine builds and other antics at www.youtube.com/c/theferalengineer Help support my channel efforts and coffee addiction: www.patreon.com/theferalengineer On Sun, Jul 18, 2021, 3:29 PM Mark Wendt wrote: > Since we're not signing up new members by the dozens, and the vast majority > of the group has been on this list for ages, grandfathering everybody makes > the CoC rather pointless don't you think? Perhaps even more so than it > already is? > > Mark > > On Sun, Jul 18, 2021, 14:39 Stuart Stevenson wrote: > > > Gentlemen, > > Heh - seems to me a LARGE portion of the group should be grandfathered in > > with any COC not applying to participants not having agreed to work under > > any COC restrictions or guidelines. Going forward agreement to be bound > by > > the COC could be made a part of the process welcoming new participants. > > Retroactive agreement could be agreed to on a voluntary participant by > > participant basis. > > I don't recall seeing a complaint process to report offenders. > > There could possibly be a couple more unintended consequences hiding in > the > > weeds. :) > > Just thinking out loud (or thinking while typing) > > You cannot imagine how long it took to type this. I can think and I can > > type but combining the two abuses my backspace button. > > regards > > Stuart > > > > On Sun, Jul 18, 2021 at 1:23 PM Gene Heskett > wrote: > > > > > On Sunday 18 July 2021 14:08:02 Stuart Stevenson wrote: > > > > > > > Who is the sheriff? > > > > > > > I guess it was Jeff Epler who wrote it up, but I don't know if there > is a > > > designated sheriff. > > > > > > > On Sun, Jul 18, 2021, 9:37 AM fxkl47BF via Emc-users < > > > [...] > > > > > > The COC appears to be a compilation of what everyone on the list > > > > > > has been doing all along. Therefore, Jeff's comment, "a > > > > > > non-event", is > > > > > > > > > > appropriate. > > > > > > > > > > it's "a non-event" until the sheriff bans you > > > > > > No Cheers, Gene Heskett > > > -- > > > "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: > > > soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." > > > -Ed Howdershelt (Author) > > > If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law > respectable. > > > - Louis D. Brandeis > > > Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene> > > > > > > > > > -- > > Addressee is the intended audience. > > If you are not the addressee then my consent is not given for you to read > > this email furthermore it is my wish you would close this without saving > or > > reading, and cease and desist from saving or opening my private > > correspondence. > > Thank you for honoring my wish. > > > > ___ > > Emc-users mailing list > > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users > > > > ___ > Emc-users mailing list > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users > ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
[Emc-users] Viewing variables (system parameters)
Greetings all, So, I know we can assign #1-#5000 to values, much like how Fanuc, Mits, Centroid, etc use #1-#33, #100-#199, etc. but is there a way to view these variables? I would like to have a window where any variables I assign will pop up and let me monitor the values, much like using (debug,) but not using (debug,). Is there a way to do this? If not, I'm sure it's possible in some way, no? Phil T. The Feral Engineer Check out my LinuxCNC tutorials, machine builds and other antics at www.youtube.com/c/theferalengineer Help support my channel efforts and coffee addiction: www.patreon.com/theferalengineer ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] OT Fanuc!
I'm in New Jersey but I can help with anything applications related you may have questions with. Is it a mapps 4 or 5 machine? Phil T. The Feral Engineer Check out my LinuxCNC tutorials, machine builds and other antics at www.youtube.com/c/theferalengineer Help support my channel efforts and coffee addiction: www.patreon.com/theferalengineer On Fri, Jul 16, 2021, 3:49 PM Ralph Stirling wrote: > No mapps on the Dura. The NVX has mapps. Are you in > Davis? Our NVX was serial number 1, donated from Davis. > They bought our Haas TM-1 as a trade-in and shipped us > the NVX. Only tech support I can get on it is from engineers > at Mori Mfg in Davis, since the 800 tech support line has no > information about this unit. > > -- Ralph > ____ > From: Feral Engineer [theferalengin...@gmail.com] > Sent: Friday, July 16, 2021 12:22 PM > To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] OT Fanuc! > > CAUTION: This email originated from outside the Walla Walla University > email system. > > > Yeah we only made those for a few years. Not a big seller. Good machine but > limited in options and the NL/NLX is just a better seller. You have the > straight fanuc or mapps overlay? > > You'll never guess who I work for > > Phil T. > The Feral Engineer > > On Fri, Jul 16, 2021, 3:10 PM Ralph Stirling < > ralph.stirl...@wallawalla.edu> > wrote: > > > This Dura is a 2007 model. I haven't tried G20 since > > we first got it going, so don't recall exactly what the > > issues were, but remember being very startled when > > all the offsets were suddenly wrong when G20 was called. > > Solution was instant and total metrification for cnc > > machining in my lab :-). Since few of my students have > > any significant prior experience machining, they don't > > generally grumble about giving up "thou's". > > > > The other Fanuc quirk that catches them is forgetting > > decimal points on whole numbers. X10 is 10microns > > not 10mm, while X10.0 is 10mm. It's turned a few > > parts into big spiral chips on the finishing pass. > > > > -- Ralph > > > > From: Feral Engineer [theferalengin...@gmail.com] > > Sent: Friday, July 16, 2021 11:55 AM > > To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) > > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] OT Fanuc! > > > > CAUTION: This email originated from outside the Walla Walla University > > email system. > > > > > > On the dura, is the issue that it just moves the decimal instead of > > converting the values? That's just a parameter change. > > > > I don't recall the dura using tc controls, i thought those started with > td? > > I may be wrong, it's been a while since i saw one of those in the wild. > > > > Phil T. > > The Feral Engineer > > > > Check out my LinuxCNC tutorials, machine builds and other antics at > > > > > > Help support my channel efforts and coffee addiction: > > > > > > On Fri, Jul 16, 2021, 2:21 PM Ralph Stirling < > > ralph.stirl...@wallawalla.edu> > > wrote: > > > > > I forbid G20 on the Mori Duraturn in my lab for that exact reason. It > > has > > > a Fanuc 0i-TC. I figure 21st century engineering students should > develop > > > some feel for metric measurements anyway. Just to be safe I also > require > > > G21 on our Mori NVX mill even though it uses a Mits control that > handles > > it > > > better. > > > > > > -- Ralph > > > > > > On Jul 16, 2021 9:11 AM, Todd Zuercher wrote: > > > CAUTION: This email originated from outside the Walla Walla University > > > email system. > > > > > > > > > I need to voice some frustration. So pardon the OT post > > > > > > Fanuc is making me pull my hair out. You'd think a cnc control built > > > within the last 20 years could handle switching between G20 and G21 > > modes! > > > It's a flippin command line code that can be issued in a file for > > goodness > > > sakes! > > > > > > We bought a used machine that was being used in G21 mode. And I've > been > > > banging my head on this thing for a week. Can't figure out why all of > > the > > > work coordinates are so screwed up, reset them and then they are messed > > up > > > again, G91G28 commands won't work and keep over traveling (but G90G53 > > does) > > > and the home positions keep moving around. Turns out its all because a > > > stupid Fanuc
Re: [Emc-users] OT Fanuc!
That's the thing i hate about fanuc. Everything is proprietary. The io modules we use on our machines give standard sinking and sourcing io but unless you can find a circuit in the ladder can activate, you need ladder 3 software to make your own. On the flip side, their control has goto in their logic, which i miss in lcnc Phil T. The Feral Engineer Check out my LinuxCNC tutorials, machine builds and other antics at www.youtube.com/c/theferalengineer Help support my channel efforts and coffee addiction: www.patreon.com/theferalengineer On Fri, Jul 16, 2021, 1:22 PM Andrew wrote: > пт, 16 лип. 2021 о 19:14 Todd Zuercher пише: > > > I need to voice some frustration. So pardon the OT post > > > > Fanuc is making me pull my hair out. > > > > I also had a kind of disappointment with Fanuc recently. > I was asked to help install an automated clamping fixture to a new machine > with a Fanuc controller. The fixture has a controlled actuator to adjust > for the part depth, and also has an analog pressure sensor. So it's > necessary to pass the part size to the fixture from the CNC program. I was > thinking of a PLC with Modbus output for the stepper actuator and analog > input. But it's kind of impossible to connect any PLC to a Fanuc > controller! They have a proprietary I/O link interface only. OK, we > contacted Fanuc for advice. And their advice was pretty short: contact our > certified services only. So if you ever bought a CNC machine with a Fanuc > controller - you're in slavery. Of course there are solutions but they cost > a lot. And the service costs a lot too. > > Another story. > I know an owner of a pretty complicated CNC machine with a Siemens > controller, 20+ years old. The controller was not functional. The guy could > not repair it for a very long time. No service wanted to deal with it! So > he contacted the machine manufacturer. They said no problem, we can supply > a brand new controller cabinet for the machine. Priced at $ 200K... oops! > So he spent a lot of time and money until he found some guy who was able to > repair the controller. > > So... beware those brand CNC controllers and interfaces. > > Just my 2 cents, anyways. > > ___ > Emc-users mailing list > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users > ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] OT Fanuc!
Yeah we only made those for a few years. Not a big seller. Good machine but limited in options and the NL/NLX is just a better seller. You have the straight fanuc or mapps overlay? You'll never guess who I work for Phil T. The Feral Engineer Check out my LinuxCNC tutorials, machine builds and other antics at www.youtube.com/c/theferalengineer Help support my channel efforts and coffee addiction: www.patreon.com/theferalengineer On Fri, Jul 16, 2021, 3:10 PM Ralph Stirling wrote: > This Dura is a 2007 model. I haven't tried G20 since > we first got it going, so don't recall exactly what the > issues were, but remember being very startled when > all the offsets were suddenly wrong when G20 was called. > Solution was instant and total metrification for cnc > machining in my lab :-). Since few of my students have > any significant prior experience machining, they don't > generally grumble about giving up "thou's". > > The other Fanuc quirk that catches them is forgetting > decimal points on whole numbers. X10 is 10microns > not 10mm, while X10.0 is 10mm. It's turned a few > parts into big spiral chips on the finishing pass. > > -- Ralph > ____ > From: Feral Engineer [theferalengin...@gmail.com] > Sent: Friday, July 16, 2021 11:55 AM > To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] OT Fanuc! > > CAUTION: This email originated from outside the Walla Walla University > email system. > > > On the dura, is the issue that it just moves the decimal instead of > converting the values? That's just a parameter change. > > I don't recall the dura using tc controls, i thought those started with td? > I may be wrong, it's been a while since i saw one of those in the wild. > > Phil T. > The Feral Engineer > > Check out my LinuxCNC tutorials, machine builds and other antics at > > https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fc%2Ftheferalengineerdata=04%7C01%7Cralph.stirling%40wallawalla.edu%7Cc0601cb995c746d1254208d9488b64bb%7Cd958f048e43142779c8debfb75e7aa64%7C0%7C0%7C637620585800384160%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000sdata=hi3Npyz8PDJOx5pMdcjpSmFxPqukb6BewMMBEFJTGRo%3Dreserved=0 > > Help support my channel efforts and coffee addiction: > > https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.patreon.com%2Ftheferalengineerdata=04%7C01%7Cralph.stirling%40wallawalla.edu%7Cc0601cb995c746d1254208d9488b64bb%7Cd958f048e43142779c8debfb75e7aa64%7C0%7C0%7C637620585800384160%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000sdata=%2FpEs5khf51sB%2Bo3s2qOcL6ri5AKPL%2BbHHMNQOWG9F98%3Dreserved=0 > > On Fri, Jul 16, 2021, 2:21 PM Ralph Stirling < > ralph.stirl...@wallawalla.edu> > wrote: > > > I forbid G20 on the Mori Duraturn in my lab for that exact reason. It > has > > a Fanuc 0i-TC. I figure 21st century engineering students should develop > > some feel for metric measurements anyway. Just to be safe I also require > > G21 on our Mori NVX mill even though it uses a Mits control that handles > it > > better. > > > > -- Ralph > > > > On Jul 16, 2021 9:11 AM, Todd Zuercher wrote: > > CAUTION: This email originated from outside the Walla Walla University > > email system. > > > > > > I need to voice some frustration. So pardon the OT post > > > > Fanuc is making me pull my hair out. You'd think a cnc control built > > within the last 20 years could handle switching between G20 and G21 > modes! > > It's a flippin command line code that can be issued in a file for > goodness > > sakes! > > > > We bought a used machine that was being used in G21 mode. And I've been > > banging my head on this thing for a week. Can't figure out why all of > the > > work coordinates are so screwed up, reset them and then they are messed > up > > again, G91G28 commands won't work and keep over traveling (but G90G53 > does) > > and the home positions keep moving around. Turns out its all because a > > stupid Fanuc 180iM control built in 2003 can't handle switching between > G21 > > and G20 modes without 3 power cycles, a couple of parameter changes and > > completely resetting all the work coordinate systems settings. FOR > > REAL!! Even Mach3 can do this right! If this is the case why > > even have G20/G21 available as a G-code! It should only be a parameter > > setting that can't be changed from a file. This is even more annoying > than > > G92 or jogging a paused program, at least a power cycle can fix those > screw > > ups. >
Re: [Emc-users] OT Fanuc!
On the dura, is the issue that it just moves the decimal instead of converting the values? That's just a parameter change. I don't recall the dura using tc controls, i thought those started with td? I may be wrong, it's been a while since i saw one of those in the wild. Phil T. The Feral Engineer Check out my LinuxCNC tutorials, machine builds and other antics at www.youtube.com/c/theferalengineer Help support my channel efforts and coffee addiction: www.patreon.com/theferalengineer On Fri, Jul 16, 2021, 2:21 PM Ralph Stirling wrote: > I forbid G20 on the Mori Duraturn in my lab for that exact reason. It has > a Fanuc 0i-TC. I figure 21st century engineering students should develop > some feel for metric measurements anyway. Just to be safe I also require > G21 on our Mori NVX mill even though it uses a Mits control that handles it > better. > > -- Ralph > > On Jul 16, 2021 9:11 AM, Todd Zuercher wrote: > CAUTION: This email originated from outside the Walla Walla University > email system. > > > I need to voice some frustration. So pardon the OT post > > Fanuc is making me pull my hair out. You'd think a cnc control built > within the last 20 years could handle switching between G20 and G21 modes! > It's a flippin command line code that can be issued in a file for goodness > sakes! > > We bought a used machine that was being used in G21 mode. And I've been > banging my head on this thing for a week. Can't figure out why all of the > work coordinates are so screwed up, reset them and then they are messed up > again, G91G28 commands won't work and keep over traveling (but G90G53 does) > and the home positions keep moving around. Turns out its all because a > stupid Fanuc 180iM control built in 2003 can't handle switching between G21 > and G20 modes without 3 power cycles, a couple of parameter changes and > completely resetting all the work coordinate systems settings. FOR > REAL!! Even Mach3 can do this right! If this is the case why > even have G20/G21 available as a G-code! It should only be a parameter > setting that can't be changed from a file. This is even more annoying than > G92 or jogging a paused program, at least a power cycle can fix those screw > ups. > > Todd Zuercher > P. Graham Dunn Inc.< > https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.pgrahamdunn.com%2Findex.phpdata=04%7C01%7Cralph.stirling%40wallawalla.edu%7Cfbcd3391855548c9fb0808d948744cc8%7Cd958f048e43142779c8debfb75e7aa64%7C0%7C1%7C637620486609683146%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000sdata=6aFWrgW7S5RrjTYlDRZtghl1oQRnLHYJnxE4K1tFpkc%3Dreserved=0 > > > 630 Henry Street > Dalton, Ohio 44618 > Phone: (330)828-2105ext. 2031 > > > ___ > Emc-users mailing list > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > > https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.sourceforge.net%2Flists%2Flistinfo%2Femc-usersdata=04%7C01%7Cralph.stirling%40wallawalla.edu%7Cfbcd3391855548c9fb0808d948744cc8%7Cd958f048e43142779c8debfb75e7aa64%7C0%7C1%7C637620486609683146%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000sdata=aMuCUwk%2FQ3zgr2I6DnJCpqL3DusQeoX9D%2FI2aJPvAwI%3Dreserved=0 > > ___ > Emc-users mailing list > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users > ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] OT Fanuc!
You'd have to get around the proprietary crap in the Fanuc servo amps and whatnot, methinks Phil T. The Feral Engineer Check out my LinuxCNC tutorials, machine builds and other antics at www.youtube.com/c/theferalengineer Help support my channel efforts and coffee addiction: www.patreon.com/theferalengineer On Fri, Jul 16, 2021, 12:31 PM Rob C wrote: > rip it out an put linuxcnc in? > > is it possible to build a plugin replacement controller? > > On Fri, 16 Jul 2021, 17:20 Feral Engineer, > wrote: > > > The 180i is an earlier windows version of a Fanuc, so I'm sure it's got > > some quirks > > > > Phil T. > > The Feral Engineer > > > > Check out my LinuxCNC tutorials, machine builds and other antics at > > www.youtube.com/c/theferalengineer > > > > Help support my channel efforts and coffee addiction: > > www.patreon.com/theferalengineer > > > > On Fri, Jul 16, 2021, 12:14 PM Todd Zuercher > > wrote: > > > > > I need to voice some frustration. So pardon the OT post > > > > > > Fanuc is making me pull my hair out. You'd think a cnc control built > > > within the last 20 years could handle switching between G20 and G21 > > modes! > > > It's a flippin command line code that can be issued in a file for > > goodness > > > sakes! > > > > > > We bought a used machine that was being used in G21 mode. And I've > been > > > banging my head on this thing for a week. Can't figure out why all of > > the > > > work coordinates are so screwed up, reset them and then they are messed > > up > > > again, G91G28 commands won't work and keep over traveling (but G90G53 > > does) > > > and the home positions keep moving around. Turns out its all because a > > > stupid Fanuc 180iM control built in 2003 can't handle switching between > > G21 > > > and G20 modes without 3 power cycles, a couple of parameter changes and > > > completely resetting all the work coordinate systems settings. FOR > > > REAL!! Even Mach3 can do this right! If this is the case > why > > > even have G20/G21 available as a G-code! It should only be a parameter > > > setting that can't be changed from a file. This is even more annoying > > than > > > G92 or jogging a paused program, at least a power cycle can fix those > > screw > > > ups. > > > > > > Todd Zuercher > > > P. Graham Dunn Inc.<http://www.pgrahamdunn.com/index.php> > > > 630 Henry Street > > > Dalton, Ohio 44618 > > > Phone: (330)828-2105ext. 2031 > > > > > > > > > ___ > > > Emc-users mailing list > > > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users > > > > > > > ___ > > Emc-users mailing list > > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users > > > > ___ > Emc-users mailing list > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users > ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] OT Fanuc!
The 180i is an earlier windows version of a Fanuc, so I'm sure it's got some quirks Phil T. The Feral Engineer Check out my LinuxCNC tutorials, machine builds and other antics at www.youtube.com/c/theferalengineer Help support my channel efforts and coffee addiction: www.patreon.com/theferalengineer On Fri, Jul 16, 2021, 12:14 PM Todd Zuercher wrote: > I need to voice some frustration. So pardon the OT post > > Fanuc is making me pull my hair out. You'd think a cnc control built > within the last 20 years could handle switching between G20 and G21 modes! > It's a flippin command line code that can be issued in a file for goodness > sakes! > > We bought a used machine that was being used in G21 mode. And I've been > banging my head on this thing for a week. Can't figure out why all of the > work coordinates are so screwed up, reset them and then they are messed up > again, G91G28 commands won't work and keep over traveling (but G90G53 does) > and the home positions keep moving around. Turns out its all because a > stupid Fanuc 180iM control built in 2003 can't handle switching between G21 > and G20 modes without 3 power cycles, a couple of parameter changes and > completely resetting all the work coordinate systems settings. FOR > REAL!! Even Mach3 can do this right! If this is the case why > even have G20/G21 available as a G-code! It should only be a parameter > setting that can't be changed from a file. This is even more annoying than > G92 or jogging a paused program, at least a power cycle can fix those screw > ups. > > Todd Zuercher > P. Graham Dunn Inc.<http://www.pgrahamdunn.com/index.php> > 630 Henry Street > Dalton, Ohio 44618 > Phone: (330)828-2105ext. 2031 > > > ___ > Emc-users mailing list > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users > ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Code of Conduct
That much I'll definitely agree with! Phil T. The Feral Engineer Check out my LinuxCNC tutorials, machine builds and other antics at www.youtube.com/c/theferalengineer Help support my channel efforts and coffee addiction: www.patreon.com/theferalengineer On Wed, Jun 30, 2021, 2:03 PM Scott Harwell via Emc-users < emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net> wrote: > I wish there was a little more "mansplaining" in some of the "docs". I > still haven't decided how to set center of rotation for "A" and "C" in the > Kinematics example. > > Scott > On Wednesday, June 30, 2021, 12:43:30 PM CDT, Feral Engineer < > theferalengin...@gmail.com> wrote: > > CoC doesn't really affect me because I don't deliberately try to be a > d-bag. In the time I've been on these mailing lists, I haven't seen any > misconduct. I think it's pretty much a moot point and it'll be forgotten > about as quickly as it came to attention. > > Going back to something that was said yesterday, I never got an > elitist/holier than thou vibe from anyone, although I did get answers that > were above my pay grade at the time of asking, which frustrated me a > little. I feel that asking a simple question to someone that has done > something for years can kinda fall on deaf ears, because they don't > remember the struggle of learning something like creating a net command or > navigating the difference between setp and sets. > > Things can sometimes be taken out of context and seem dickish, when the > intentions were good, but the information was just a little above the level > of understanding. "Create a net command" isn't the answer some people are > looking for, "create a net command and here's how they're constructed" is > really what they're after, but nowadays, that can be seen as > "mansplaining", so it's lose/lose. > > Even after 17 years of teaching CNC, I still have the issue of deciding > whether or not to give someone the "down and dirty" or the "step by step" > explanation, which is why I always ask people their current level of > knowledge and train by my "3E" method - explain, example, execute. > > Phil T. > The Feral Engineer > > Check out my LinuxCNC tutorials, machine builds and other antics at > www.youtube.com/c/theferalengineer > > Help support my channel efforts and coffee addiction: > www.patreon.com/theferalengineer > > On Wed, Jun 30, 2021, 1:22 PM Bruce Layne > wrote: > > > I've been a member of this community for approximately 14 years. In > > that time, I've almost exclusively witnessed camaraderie with good > > people helping each other and learning together. In the short time > > since the introduction of the Code of Conduct, I've seen arguing, > > acrimony, ad hominem attacks, people publicly leaving the community and > > almost certainly many more who left without a public announcement. > > > > See how much better we're behaving now that we have a Code of Conduct > > regulating our behavior? We are certainly poised for future success now > > that we have codified rules to ensure that everyone is nice to everyone > > else. > > > > I'm an engineer. I solve technical problems. There are some simple > > rules for that. > > > > 1) If it ain't broke, don't try to fix it. > > > > 2) Understand what you're trying to improve. > > > > 3) Avoid random changes hoping they'll be improvements. > > > > 4) Before effecting a change, consider the larger picture to avoid > > wrecking something else. > > > > 5) If you made it worse, undo your modification because it's not working. > > > > > > > > > > > > > I might still make the odd pull request but this mailing list, I'm out. > > > > > > ___ > > Emc-users mailing list > > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users > > > > ___ > Emc-users mailing list > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users > > ___ > Emc-users mailing list > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users > ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Code of Conduct
CoC doesn't really affect me because I don't deliberately try to be a d-bag. In the time I've been on these mailing lists, I haven't seen any misconduct. I think it's pretty much a moot point and it'll be forgotten about as quickly as it came to attention. Going back to something that was said yesterday, I never got an elitist/holier than thou vibe from anyone, although I did get answers that were above my pay grade at the time of asking, which frustrated me a little. I feel that asking a simple question to someone that has done something for years can kinda fall on deaf ears, because they don't remember the struggle of learning something like creating a net command or navigating the difference between setp and sets. Things can sometimes be taken out of context and seem dickish, when the intentions were good, but the information was just a little above the level of understanding. "Create a net command" isn't the answer some people are looking for, "create a net command and here's how they're constructed" is really what they're after, but nowadays, that can be seen as "mansplaining", so it's lose/lose. Even after 17 years of teaching CNC, I still have the issue of deciding whether or not to give someone the "down and dirty" or the "step by step" explanation, which is why I always ask people their current level of knowledge and train by my "3E" method - explain, example, execute. Phil T. The Feral Engineer Check out my LinuxCNC tutorials, machine builds and other antics at www.youtube.com/c/theferalengineer Help support my channel efforts and coffee addiction: www.patreon.com/theferalengineer On Wed, Jun 30, 2021, 1:22 PM Bruce Layne wrote: > I've been a member of this community for approximately 14 years. In > that time, I've almost exclusively witnessed camaraderie with good > people helping each other and learning together. In the short time > since the introduction of the Code of Conduct, I've seen arguing, > acrimony, ad hominem attacks, people publicly leaving the community and > almost certainly many more who left without a public announcement. > > See how much better we're behaving now that we have a Code of Conduct > regulating our behavior? We are certainly poised for future success now > that we have codified rules to ensure that everyone is nice to everyone > else. > > I'm an engineer. I solve technical problems. There are some simple > rules for that. > > 1) If it ain't broke, don't try to fix it. > > 2) Understand what you're trying to improve. > > 3) Avoid random changes hoping they'll be improvements. > > 4) Before effecting a change, consider the larger picture to avoid > wrecking something else. > > 5) If you made it worse, undo your modification because it's not working. > > > > > > > I might still make the odd pull request but this mailing list, I'm out. > > > ___ > Emc-users mailing list > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users > ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] About the 7i76E and possible DB25 expansion cards
Then you should have no trouble at all . I like the wizards, but completely understand where you're coming from with configuring hal. You can do anything and everything you want with it. On the flip side, coming from an industry where plc is still king, I love being able to use classicladder and build circuits that way also. I don't think CL gets the respect it deserves. Phil T. The Feral Engineer Check out my LinuxCNC tutorials, machine builds and other antics at www.youtube.com/c/theferalengineer Help support my channel efforts and coffee addiction: www.patreon.com/theferalengineer On Tue, Jun 29, 2021, 9:55 PM Leonardo Marsaglia wrote: > > > > I helped a guy set up a 7i95 with encoders. Not hard, but not super > simple > > because pncconf doesn't support that board native and the 7i95 > configurator > > didn't work. I used the ini name setting in pncconf, made a config for a > > 7i96 and had to change the name of the board in the ini file and rename > the > > io pins. > > > > I have a two switch home setup on my Emco using a prox switch as an index > > pulse after hitting a mechanical switch, using home_use_index and I'm > using > > home_index_no_encoder_reset in master to home my x and z without having > > full encoder feedback. I made some videos on my YouTube channel about it. > > > > I'm not shying you away from the 7i95, i think it's a great board, but be > > ready for a little hair pulling unless you're pretty comfortable with the > > mesa ecosystem. > > > > Well, I'm not new to mesa boards but I'm always using a whole different > approach on each machine. The first I installed was the 5i25 with a > breakout board my brother already designed for another project. Then I > started with the PCIe ones, and now I'm finally going for the ethernet ones > because saves me a lot of hassle mounting the PC on the cabinet. On the top > of that, I'm retrofitting a machine every 2 years so every time is like I'm > re learning all of it again. > > One thing I must say, I've never used PNCCONF or STEPCONF. What I always > loved about LCNC is the way I can model a system with HAL using plain text. > I'm far away from being a programmer but the way HAL works for me is just > pure genius. I don't even use the Classicladder feature. For me HAL has it > all right there, and It never ceases to amaze me. > > El sáb, 26 jun 2021 a las 10:17, Feral Engineer (< > theferalengin...@gmail.com>) > escribió: > > > I helped a guy set up a 7i95 with encoders. Not hard, but not super > simple > > because pncconf doesn't support that board native and the 7i95 > configurator > > didn't work. I used the ini name setting in pncconf, made a config for a > > 7i96 and had to change the name of the board in the ini file and rename > the > > io pins. > > > > I have a two switch home setup on my Emco using a prox switch as an index > > pulse after hitting a mechanical switch, using home_use_index and I'm > using > > home_index_no_encoder_reset in master to home my x and z without having > > full encoder feedback. I made some videos on my YouTube channel about it. > > > > I'm not shying you away from the 7i95, i think it's a great board, but be > > ready for a little hair pulling unless you're pretty comfortable with the > > mesa ecosystem. > > > > That being said, anyone ever use a 7i95 for full closed loop to LinuxCNC > > using step dir and encoders? I know a lot of guys are using the 7i77 that > > way with analog and there's the 7i97 that would be fun to check out as > well > > for analog setups. Curious if there's any kind of weirdness that happens > > using step pulse with encoder vs just using analog signal. > > > > > > Phil T. > > The Feral Engineer > > > > Check out my LinuxCNC tutorials, machine builds and other antics at > > www.youtube.com/c/theferalengineer > > > > Help support my channel efforts and coffee addiction: > > www.patreon.com/theferalengineer > > > > On Sat, Jun 26, 2021, 8:47 AM Leonardo Marsaglia > > wrote: > > > > > Hello Andrew and Gene and sorry for the late reply. I hope you're doing > > > great! > > > > > > I believe I'll use the 7i84 as Peter suggested to expand the I/Os. But > > > instead of the 7i76E I'll go with the 7i95 which can read encoders too. > > > With this I can replicate what I did on the mazak which is to fool the > > > homing sequence to use the index pulse of the motors on the final > stage. > > > > > > El mar, 22 jun 2021 a las 2:23, Gene Heskett () > > > escribió: > > > > > > > On Monday
Re: [Emc-users] Compiling a component.
I've been looking for some good component information as well. The documentation didn't really point me in the right direction last time I looked at it. Phil T. The Feral Engineer Check out my LinuxCNC tutorials, machine builds and other antics at www.youtube.com/c/theferalengineer Help support my channel efforts and coffee addiction: www.patreon.com/theferalengineer On Sat, Jun 26, 2021, 10:57 PM John Dammeyer wrote: > I expect Andy in the UK has gone to bed but I'm on the west coast and it's > only 7:30PM. Maybe someone in North America or on the other side of the > international date line can help? > > I've been trying to get to the point where I can compile a user component > written in C. Specifically, just for the exercise, the shuttle.c > component. With Andy's help I've installed the > ./linuxcnc-uspace_2.8.1~shuttle~ec6f65e02_armhf.deb > > I've also used the github desktop to bring in the linuxcnc folder tree > that has all the files and folders including this folder where the > shuttle.c file lives.You can see I'm working with a Pi4. > \\Pi4linuxcnc\homepi\linuxcnc\src\hal\user_comps > > > This doc talks about compiling .comp files but not much about the .c files. > > http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.8/html/hal/comp.html#_compiling_userspace_components_outside_the_source_tree > If I go up to the src folder there is a Makefile > > pi@linuxcnc:~/linuxcnc/src $ make > Makefile:99: *** Makefile.inc must specify RTPREFIX and other variables. > Stop. > > I have no idea which variables are needed and since this is on a 1GB Pi4 I > really don't want to spend 6 hours compiling the entire OS when all I want > is the single shuttle.c component. > > I suspect since the Submakefile in the user_comps folder includes: > > ifeq ($(HIDRAW_H_USABLE),yes) > SHUTTLE_SRC = hal/user_comps/shuttle.c > USERSRCS += $(SHUTTLE_SRC) > ../bin/shuttle: $(call TOOBJS, $(SHUTTLE_SRC)) ../lib/liblinuxcnchal.so.0 > $(ECHO) Linking $(notdir $@) > $(Q)$(CC) $(LDFLAGS) -o $@ $^ > TARGETS += ../bin/shuttle > Endif > > > That somehow the main make command requires arguments like HIDRAW_H_USABLE? > > Anyone done this? Perhaps can point me to a document that describes the > process. Not just the what but the how and why? > > Thanks > John Dammeyer > > > "ELS! Nothing else works as well for your Lathe" > Automation Artisans Inc. > www dot autoartisans dot com > > > ___ > Emc-users mailing list > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users > ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] About the 7i76E and possible DB25 expansion cards
Hey John, I guess i should've explained better, I was half awake when I asked that. I'm running dmm servos on my mill, which are currently driven on a 7i76e with step/dir and are only semi closed loop (closed loop from the motor to the drive, but not to LinuxCNC). I'm Curious if it's possible to use the external encoder feedback from the dyn4 to LinuxCNC to create a full closed loop arrangement using that encoder and step/dir or do the servos have to be controlled via analog signal and pid tuning to get the encoder feedback to be closed loop? Also, I'm looking for the secret sauce to get full closed loop from my vfd to LinuxCNC if anyone has pointers on that. I have encoder feedback to LinuxCNC, but i feel like I'm missing a key element to get the pid working properly. Most of the adjustments I've made to pid never result in LinuxCNC compensating for the error (i.e. G97 S200 = S210 actual with p =0, changing P results in a runaway in most cases). I'm wondering what the magic net command might be to get everything working so I could thread on my lathe. Phil T. The Feral Engineer Check out my LinuxCNC tutorials, machine builds and other antics at www.youtube.com/c/theferalengineer Help support my channel efforts and coffee addiction: www.patreon.com/theferalengineer On Sat, Jun 26, 2021, 11:46 AM John Dammeyer wrote: > > That being said, anyone ever use a 7i95 for full closed loop to LinuxCNC > > using step dir and encoders? I know a lot of guys are using the 7i77 that > > way with analog and there's the 7i97 that would be fun to check out as > well > > for analog setups. Curious if there's any kind of weirdness that happens > > using step pulse with encoder vs just using analog signal. > > > > > > Phil T. > > The Feral Engineer > > Hi Phil, > On the bench I have the Pi4 driving the Bergerda AC Servo spindle with > step/dir (smaller motor for bench testing) with an encoder coupled back > for feedback. At the moment I have P=0 and FF1=0 so I'm not using closed > loop control because it would probably fight with the Bergerda which has > its own set of PID parameters. > > I not sure you can really do that with a real stepper motor because at > high speeds once the motor loses position it locks up and you need to slow > down the step rate to get it to mechanically synchronize. For final > positioning though, since a stepper is only accurate to the nearest full > step position, an encoder could be used with LinuxCNC to add/subtract > micro-steps until the motor turned to the encoder expected position. > > The closed loop servo-steppers work slightly differently I believe. > (Haven't checked). I think they treat the two stepper windings as a two > phase AC motor with the AC waveforms recreated matching the encoder > resolution. Or if they are really clever they, like the Gecko, would > switch to full step square waves after the resonance point to raise the > torque from 0.707 of name plate to full. And they too would adjust the two > phase waveform when stopped to the expected encoder position based on step > count input. > > John Dammeyer > > > > > ___ > Emc-users mailing list > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users > ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] About the 7i76E and possible DB25 expansion cards
I helped a guy set up a 7i95 with encoders. Not hard, but not super simple because pncconf doesn't support that board native and the 7i95 configurator didn't work. I used the ini name setting in pncconf, made a config for a 7i96 and had to change the name of the board in the ini file and rename the io pins. I have a two switch home setup on my Emco using a prox switch as an index pulse after hitting a mechanical switch, using home_use_index and I'm using home_index_no_encoder_reset in master to home my x and z without having full encoder feedback. I made some videos on my YouTube channel about it. I'm not shying you away from the 7i95, i think it's a great board, but be ready for a little hair pulling unless you're pretty comfortable with the mesa ecosystem. That being said, anyone ever use a 7i95 for full closed loop to LinuxCNC using step dir and encoders? I know a lot of guys are using the 7i77 that way with analog and there's the 7i97 that would be fun to check out as well for analog setups. Curious if there's any kind of weirdness that happens using step pulse with encoder vs just using analog signal. Phil T. The Feral Engineer Check out my LinuxCNC tutorials, machine builds and other antics at www.youtube.com/c/theferalengineer Help support my channel efforts and coffee addiction: www.patreon.com/theferalengineer On Sat, Jun 26, 2021, 8:47 AM Leonardo Marsaglia wrote: > Hello Andrew and Gene and sorry for the late reply. I hope you're doing > great! > > I believe I'll use the 7i84 as Peter suggested to expand the I/Os. But > instead of the 7i76E I'll go with the 7i95 which can read encoders too. > With this I can replicate what I did on the mazak which is to fool the > homing sequence to use the index pulse of the motors on the final stage. > > El mar, 22 jun 2021 a las 2:23, Gene Heskett () > escribió: > > > On Monday 21 June 2021 22:01:25 Leonardo Marsaglia wrote: > > > > > Thanks a lot Peter and Andy, > > > > > > I re read through the manual and found the SSERIAL port connection and > > > the recommendation of using a CAT5 cable cut in half. I missed that > > > part so I was a little confused about how to expand the I/Os. So, I'll > > > be more than ok with this board :) > > > > > Another possibility if you need lots of i/o, is the 7i90HD, which has a > > total of 72 lines. Firmware options for uo to 8 axises of steppers and > > encoders. Or I believe pwm-gens and encoders. The disadvantages are its > > 3, 50 pin i/o's that are all tied to the fpga, and easily damaged by > > noise. The fix for that is a trio of 7i42TA's which are effectly used as > > breakout boards, tradeing some bandwidth for the usual surge protection > > and giving you nice screw terminals to wire it up with. It can be driven > > from an epp parport, or from an spi port from a pi. With all the > > gingerbread I've put on the sheldon, I probably have 35 i/o lines unused > > yet. And I can fire up firefox and browse the net at the same time its > > running the sheldon. I felt keeping the ethernet port out of the lcnc > > arena, so the net port was available for updating and such was more > > important, and still do. 2 of my 4 machines are building and installig > > their own versions of linuxcnc from github master-gtk3 as I type this, > > including that rpi4. > > > > > El lun, 21 jun 2021 a las 4:45, andy pugh () > > escribió: > > > > On Mon, 21 Jun 2021 at 03:27, Leonardo Marsaglia > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > Is the 7i75 > > > > > breakout board the way to add more I/Os to the 7i76E? And in that > > > > > case I suppose the direction of the I/O pins in determined in HAL > > > > > at the startup right? > > > > > > > > That depends on what you want. If it is just GPIO then look at > > > > smart-serial boards on the built-in port. > > > > If that still isn't enough, you could add one or two 7i74 boards to > > > > the 7i76E for a theoretical extra 3584 extra IO lines > > > > > > > > (smart serial has been recently expanded from 96 to 224 bits, but I > > > > am not sure if any available boards actually add more than 48 io > > > > pins each) > > > > > > > > -- > > > > atp > > > > "A motorcycle is a bicycle with a pandemonium attachment and is > > > > designed for the especial use of mechanical geniuses, daredevils and > > > > lunatics." > > > > — George Fitch, Atlanta Constitution Newspaper, 1912 > > > > > > > > > > > >
Re: [Emc-users] G28 behaviour
That's exactly the behavior that g28 follows on industrial controls. Try g28z2. (positive) and it'll move up without having to switch to incremental Phil T. The Feral Engineer Check out my LinuxCNC tutorials, machine builds and other antics at www.youtube.com/c/theferalengineer Help support my channel efforts and coffee addiction: www.patreon.com/theferalengineer On Fri, Jun 25, 2021, 6:28 PM John Dammeyer wrote: > In effect the G91 incremental with a Z0 just cancels out the initial move > to the Z position. > > I did try it on the mill as > G28 Z-2 > > All that really happens is the machine sounds like it stumbles as it heads > toward Z0 stopping briefly at Z-2. > > Very strange. > John > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Todd Zuercher [mailto:to...@pgrahamdunn.com] > > Sent: June-25-21 10:17 AM > > To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) > > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] G28 behaviour > > > > I'm pretty sure all of our Fanuc machines use G91 for incremental G28 > commands and not U V W. (maybe some older Fanuc controls > > or controls specialized for some manufacturers or maybe just T-series, I > only have worked with Ms.) > > > > But as to why the intermediate command, I have no idea, It's just how > Fanuc's G28 has always been. > > > > Todd Zuercher > > P. Graham Dunn Inc. > > 630 Henry Street� > > Dalton, Ohio 44618 > > Phone:� (330)828-2105ext. 2031 > > > > -Original Message- > > From: John Dammeyer > > Sent: Friday, June 25, 2021 1:06 PM > > To: 'Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)' > > > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] G28 behaviour > > > > [EXTERNAL EMAIL] Be sure links are safe. > > > > Thanks for the explanation but I'm still curious why the intermediate > point. > > > > I suppose if I had a tool changer at the machine 0,0,0 position (or > close to that) and my A axis sitting on the left of the work I'd want > > to move to a position that allows a clear path directly to the tool > changer. > > > > But, why a special code for this? If I need Z to be at a specific > machine position doesn't a > > G53 G0 Z10 > > G53 G0 Z0 > > do the same thing? Granted two lines but one doesn't have to look up > what a G28 does... > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: Feral Engineer [mailto:theferalengin...@gmail.com] > > > Sent: June-25-21 9:51 AM > > > To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) > > > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] G28 behaviour > > > > > > G28 is a return to reference using an intermediate point > > > > > > G90 G28 z0 would bring the tool to absolute Z0 before returning to > > > reference zero (machine zero in most cases). By using g91 g28 z0, you > > > specify that the intermediate point is your current position and the > > > machine will reference return from there. You can also use values such > > > as > > > g90 g28 z50. To use 50mm above your workpiece origin to be your > > > intermediate point or you can use g91 g28 z10. To move 10mm up and use > > > that as your intermediate. > > > > > > Fanuc g code system a does not use g91, it uses u v w as their > > > respective incremental axes for x y and z, which is why on a lathe > > > you'll usually see > > > g28 u0 w0 or something of that nature. You could use absolute values, > > > but they come from your workpiece origin, so you'd have to say > > > something like > > > g28 x100 z100 to move to the absolute intermediate position above the > > > part to not have a crash. > > > > > > The posted code in fusion is just ugly, no real reason to keep > > > flopping back and forth like that. Fusion posts are JavaScript, so > > > they're not terrible to modify. > > > > > > Phil T. > > > The Feral Engineer > > > > > > Check out my LinuxCNC tutorials, machine builds and other antics at > > > www.youtube.com/c/theferalengineer > > > > > > Help support my channel efforts and coffee addiction: > > > www.patreon.com/theferalengineer > > > > > > On Fri, Jun 25, 2021, 12:28 PM John Dammeyer > wrote: > > > > > > > A friend who uses MACH3 and Fusion360 (free version) found that > > > > every G-Code file created by Fusion for the MACH environment added: > > > > > > > > G28 G91 Z0 > > > > G90 > > > > G28 G91 X0 Y0 > > > > G90 > > > > > > > > He's since figured out how to tell Fusion not to do this but loo
Re: [Emc-users] G28 behaviour
Fanuc g code system a is for lathes. Some will use system b or c but it's few and far between. Some emco lathes use system c, that much i do know. You can change g code systems via parameter on most generation fanuc controls from the last 20+ years I'd actually like to figure a way to get Linuxcnc to support system a b and c. G92 to set max spindle speed just feels so wrong to me Phil T. The Feral Engineer Check out my LinuxCNC tutorials, machine builds and other antics at www.youtube.com/c/theferalengineer Help support my channel efforts and coffee addiction: www.patreon.com/theferalengineer On Fri, Jun 25, 2021, 5:53 PM Todd Zuercher wrote: > I'm pretty sure all of our Fanuc machines use G91 for incremental G28 > commands and not U V W. (maybe some older Fanuc controls or controls > specialized for some manufacturers or maybe just T-series, I only have > worked with Ms.) > > But as to why the intermediate command, I have no idea, It's just how > Fanuc's G28 has always been. > > Todd Zuercher > P. Graham Dunn Inc. > 630 Henry Street > Dalton, Ohio 44618 > Phone: (330)828-2105ext. 2031 > > -Original Message- > From: John Dammeyer > Sent: Friday, June 25, 2021 1:06 PM > To: 'Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)' > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] G28 behaviour > > [EXTERNAL EMAIL] Be sure links are safe. > > Thanks for the explanation but I'm still curious why the intermediate > point. > > I suppose if I had a tool changer at the machine 0,0,0 position (or close > to that) and my A axis sitting on the left of the work I'd want to move to > a position that allows a clear path directly to the tool changer. > > But, why a special code for this? If I need Z to be at a specific machine > position doesn't a > G53 G0 Z10 > G53 G0 Z0 > do the same thing? Granted two lines but one doesn't have to look up > what a G28 does... > > > -Original Message- > > From: Feral Engineer [mailto:theferalengin...@gmail.com] > > Sent: June-25-21 9:51 AM > > To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) > > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] G28 behaviour > > > > G28 is a return to reference using an intermediate point > > > > G90 G28 z0 would bring the tool to absolute Z0 before returning to > > reference zero (machine zero in most cases). By using g91 g28 z0, you > > specify that the intermediate point is your current position and the > > machine will reference return from there. You can also use values such > > as > > g90 g28 z50. To use 50mm above your workpiece origin to be your > > intermediate point or you can use g91 g28 z10. To move 10mm up and use > > that as your intermediate. > > > > Fanuc g code system a does not use g91, it uses u v w as their > > respective incremental axes for x y and z, which is why on a lathe > > you'll usually see > > g28 u0 w0 or something of that nature. You could use absolute values, > > but they come from your workpiece origin, so you'd have to say > > something like > > g28 x100 z100 to move to the absolute intermediate position above the > > part to not have a crash. > > > > The posted code in fusion is just ugly, no real reason to keep > > flopping back and forth like that. Fusion posts are JavaScript, so > > they're not terrible to modify. > > > > Phil T. > > The Feral Engineer > > > > Check out my LinuxCNC tutorials, machine builds and other antics at > > www.youtube.com/c/theferalengineer > > > > Help support my channel efforts and coffee addiction: > > www.patreon.com/theferalengineer > > > > On Fri, Jun 25, 2021, 12:28 PM John Dammeyer > wrote: > > > > > A friend who uses MACH3 and Fusion360 (free version) found that > > > every G-Code file created by Fusion for the MACH environment added: > > > > > > G28 G91 Z0 > > > G90 > > > G28 G91 X0 Y0 > > > G90 > > > > > > He's since figured out how to tell Fusion not to do this but looking > at: > > > http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/gcode/g-code.html#gcode:g28-g28.1 > > > > > > I m curious why there are two moves involved in this G-Code. In > > > this case the G91 changes to relative so the Z0 moves exactly 0 > > > first and then to the machine coordinates Z0 position. Same with XY. > > > > > > If 5161-5166 have something other than 0 and the G91 is left out the > > > system makes some interesting moves. > > > > > > My question is why would anyone want this kind of behavior? Where > > > would a > > > G28 be used without the G91? > > > > > > Is it perhaps to move around an obstacle
Re: [Emc-users] G28 behaviour
So generally speaking, there are a few differences between g28 and g53. On fanuc and mits controls, g53 is merely machine coordinate position, you can put g53 anywhere in the stroke of axis travel. G28 is reference return position 1, g30 is reference return 2, g30 p3 is position 3, g30 p4 position 4. G30 positions are all programmable, via parameters, for where to go. The major difference is g28 and g30 both indicate back to the machine that it has reached a "home" position, where g53 does not. If i say g53 z0, the machine will not tool change, g91 g28 z0 will enable the reference status indicator and allow the tool change, even though it's the exact same spot. Phil T. The Feral Engineer Check out my LinuxCNC tutorials, machine builds and other antics at www.youtube.com/c/theferalengineer Help support my channel efforts and coffee addiction: www.patreon.com/theferalengineer On Fri, Jun 25, 2021, 1:09 PM John Dammeyer wrote: > Thanks for the explanation but I'm still curious why the intermediate > point. > > I suppose if I had a tool changer at the machine 0,0,0 position (or close > to that) and my A axis sitting on the left of the work I'd want to move to > a position that allows a clear path directly to the tool changer. > > But, why a special code for this? If I need Z to be at a specific machine > position doesn't a > G53 G0 Z10 > G53 G0 Z0 > do the same thing? Granted two lines but one doesn't have to look up > what a G28 does... > > > -Original Message- > > From: Feral Engineer [mailto:theferalengin...@gmail.com] > > Sent: June-25-21 9:51 AM > > To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) > > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] G28 behaviour > > > > G28 is a return to reference using an intermediate point > > > > G90 G28 z0 would bring the tool to absolute Z0 before returning to > > reference zero (machine zero in most cases). By using g91 g28 z0, you > > specify that the intermediate point is your current position and the > > machine will reference return from there. You can also use values such as > > g90 g28 z50. To use 50mm above your workpiece origin to be your > > intermediate point or you can use g91 g28 z10. To move 10mm up and use > that > > as your intermediate. > > > > Fanuc g code system a does not use g91, it uses u v w as their respective > > incremental axes for x y and z, which is why on a lathe you'll usually > see > > g28 u0 w0 or something of that nature. You could use absolute values, but > > they come from your workpiece origin, so you'd have to say something like > > g28 x100 z100 to move to the absolute intermediate position above the > part > > to not have a crash. > > > > The posted code in fusion is just ugly, no real reason to keep flopping > > back and forth like that. Fusion posts are JavaScript, so they're not > > terrible to modify. > > > > Phil T. > > The Feral Engineer > > > > Check out my LinuxCNC tutorials, machine builds and other antics at > > www.youtube.com/c/theferalengineer > > > > Help support my channel efforts and coffee addiction: > > www.patreon.com/theferalengineer > > > > On Fri, Jun 25, 2021, 12:28 PM John Dammeyer > wrote: > > > > > A friend who uses MACH3 and Fusion360 (free version) found that every > > > G-Code file created by Fusion for the MACH environment added: > > > > > > G28 G91 Z0 > > > G90 > > > G28 G91 X0 Y0 > > > G90 > > > > > > He's since figured out how to tell Fusion not to do this but looking > at: > > > http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/gcode/g-code.html#gcode:g28-g28.1 > > > > > > I�m curious why there are two moves involved in this G-Code. In this > case > > > the G91 changes to relative so the Z0 moves exactly 0 first and then > to the > > > machine coordinates Z0 position. Same with XY. > > > > > > If 5161-5166 have something other than 0 and the G91 is left out the > > > system makes some interesting moves. > > > > > > My question is why would anyone want this kind of behavior? Where > would a > > > G28 be used without the G91? > > > > > > Is it perhaps to move around an obstacle before it heads for 0,0,0? > > > > > > Thanks > > > John > > > > > > > > > > > > "ELS! Nothing else works as well for your Lathe" > > > Automation Artisans Inc. > > > www dot autoartisans dot com > > > > > > > > > ___ > > > Emc-users mailing list > > > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users > > > > > > > ___ > > Emc-users mailing list > > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users > > > > ___ > Emc-users mailing list > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users > ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] G28 behaviour
G28 is a return to reference using an intermediate point G90 G28 z0 would bring the tool to absolute Z0 before returning to reference zero (machine zero in most cases). By using g91 g28 z0, you specify that the intermediate point is your current position and the machine will reference return from there. You can also use values such as g90 g28 z50. To use 50mm above your workpiece origin to be your intermediate point or you can use g91 g28 z10. To move 10mm up and use that as your intermediate. Fanuc g code system a does not use g91, it uses u v w as their respective incremental axes for x y and z, which is why on a lathe you'll usually see g28 u0 w0 or something of that nature. You could use absolute values, but they come from your workpiece origin, so you'd have to say something like g28 x100 z100 to move to the absolute intermediate position above the part to not have a crash. The posted code in fusion is just ugly, no real reason to keep flopping back and forth like that. Fusion posts are JavaScript, so they're not terrible to modify. Phil T. The Feral Engineer Check out my LinuxCNC tutorials, machine builds and other antics at www.youtube.com/c/theferalengineer Help support my channel efforts and coffee addiction: www.patreon.com/theferalengineer On Fri, Jun 25, 2021, 12:28 PM John Dammeyer wrote: > A friend who uses MACH3 and Fusion360 (free version) found that every > G-Code file created by Fusion for the MACH environment added: > > G28 G91 Z0 > G90 > G28 G91 X0 Y0 > G90 > > He's since figured out how to tell Fusion not to do this but looking at: > http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/gcode/g-code.html#gcode:g28-g28.1 > > I’m curious why there are two moves involved in this G-Code. In this case > the G91 changes to relative so the Z0 moves exactly 0 first and then to the > machine coordinates Z0 position. Same with XY. > > If 5161-5166 have something other than 0 and the G91 is left out the > system makes some interesting moves. > > My question is why would anyone want this kind of behavior? Where would a > G28 be used without the G91? > > Is it perhaps to move around an obstacle before it heads for 0,0,0? > > Thanks > John > > > > "ELS! Nothing else works as well for your Lathe" > Automation Artisans Inc. > www dot autoartisans dot com > > > ___ > Emc-users mailing list > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users > ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] LinuxCNC in use on 5axis
Would you share your machine files? I haven't set up 5x kinematics in lcnc before and I'm curious of what the user files look like Phil T. The Feral Engineer Check out my LinuxCNC tutorials, machine builds and other antics at www.youtube.com/c/theferalengineer Help support my channel efforts and coffee addiction: www.patreon.com/theferalengineer On Sun, Jun 20, 2021, 5:18 PM Tomaz T. wrote: > I'm using slightly modified 5axiskins, that means g-code is for tool > center point. > > > >Are you using kinematic support and tool center point control in LinuxCNC > >or just relying on cam software to do the trajectory calculations from > tool > >tip to rotational center? > > >Phil T. > >The Feral Engineer > > > >Check out my LinuxCNC tutorials, machine builds and other antics at > >www.youtube.com/c/theferalengineer< > http://www.youtube.com/c/theferalengineer> > > > >Help support my channel efforts and coffee addiction: > >www.patreon.com/theferalengineer<http://www.patreon.com/theferalengineer> > > > >On Sun, Jun 20, 2021, 3:35 PM Tomaz T. wrote: > > > >> Recent project done on my DIY 5-axis, controlled by LinuxCNC, just to > >> encourage if anyone taking similar path: > >> > >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TobQG2T7YV4 > >> > >> Regards! > >> > >> ___ > >> Emc-users mailing list > >> Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users > >> > > ___ > Emc-users mailing list > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users > > ___ > Emc-users mailing list > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users > ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] LinuxCNC in use on 5axis
Are you using kinematic support and tool center point control in LinuxCNC or just relying on cam software to do the trajectory calculations from tool tip to rotational center? Phil T. The Feral Engineer Check out my LinuxCNC tutorials, machine builds and other antics at www.youtube.com/c/theferalengineer Help support my channel efforts and coffee addiction: www.patreon.com/theferalengineer On Sun, Jun 20, 2021, 3:35 PM Tomaz T. wrote: > Recent project done on my DIY 5-axis, controlled by LinuxCNC, just to > encourage if anyone taking similar path: > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TobQG2T7YV4 > > Regards! > > ___ > Emc-users mailing list > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users > ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Spindle Control
Lathe has vfd, router is running a superpid with a Hitachi m12vc, mill is using a servo motor I manually turned my Hitachi router on and off until the pandemic hit, then I started by adding a relay to control it, which then became my obsession with industrial electronics Phil T. The Feral Engineer Check out my LinuxCNC tutorials, machine builds and other antics at www.youtube.com/c/theferalengineer Help support my channel efforts and coffee addiction: www.patreon.com/theferalengineer On Sun, Jun 13, 2021, 3:52 PM John Dammeyer wrote: > Quick little survey on what everyone has on their machine for spindle > control. > > 1. Do you have a VFD on a 3 phase motor for Lathe or Mill. > > 2. Does the CNC controller drive the spindle or do you set the speed and > ON/OFF manually? > > Just curious > John > > > > "ELS! Nothing else works as well for your Lathe" > Automation Artisans Inc. > www dot autoartisans dot com > > > ___ > Emc-users mailing list > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users > ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Question about Raspberry Pi 4 reliability
Anyone trying to push a grbl box over Linuxcnc clearly has their head in a rather unmentionable place. As someone who has worked in the machine tool industry for nearly 2 decades, I've found Linuxcnc to be comparable to many "industrial" grade controls, like fanuc, mitsubishi meldas and siemens from both configuration and operation standpoint. No CNC control is perfect, but the countless hours the developers have put into lcnc out of their sheer dedication to the product shouldn't be written off and for a feature that isn't yet implemented, the openness of the software allows you to choose your own destiny with how you want it to look and operate. Show me grbl support for PLC/ladder, show me grbl support for 5 axis kinematics or ATC circuits, show me grbl support for any code that ventures away from G0 and G1. Coming on here, bashing Linuxcnc (and indirectly, the developers and users) while simultaneously trying to sell your own product is breaking a cardinal rule in good sales tactics. You should never belittle a competitor product to make yours look better, you should provide information about your product that shows key points on how it's better. Phil T. The Feral Engineer Check out my LinuxCNC tutorials, machine builds and other antics at www.youtube.com/c/theferalengineer Help support my channel efforts and coffee addiction: www.patreon.com/theferalengineer On Sun, Jun 13, 2021, 1:54 PM Gene Heskett wrote: > On Sunday 13 June 2021 12:24:12 Rafael Skodlar wrote: > > > On 6/13/21 1:49 AM, John Dammeyer wrote: > > >> From: Andy Pugh [mailto:bodge...@gmail.com] > > >> > > >>> On 13 Jun 2021, at 00:28, Leonardo Marsaglia > > >>> wrote: > > >>> > > >>> I do have a Rpi3 > > >> > > >> ... > > >> > > >>> I don't know if that's a good candidate to test LCNC. > > >> > > >> I wouldn�t expect the 3B to work with Mesa Ethernet as the pre-4 > > >> Pis have the Ethernet in the USB bus. > > > > > > I've also read that the Pi4 8GB is not ideal for LinuxCNC. > > > Apparently it has issues with that much memory on the Pi. It works > > > best with 4GB apparently. > > > > > > John > > > > Huh? That makes no sense. If nothing else, you can use it for fake > > swap if nothing else. > > > > RPi is NOT good for any industrial use. > > Scuse me while I get upset at a pack of lies promulgated by Rafael > Skodlar. > > Tell that to my 75 yo Sheldon lathe, which is now being driven by a pi4b, > but which also worked well with the previous pi3b for a couple years, > and its doing stuff with only 2 motors, and NO compound and no taper kit > that it couldn't with an intact compound and a taper kit when it was > new, and doing it faster than any human could have done it 75 years > ago. 'Merican threads of any pitch and taper, ditto for Metric threads > of any pitch and taper. Correcting for bed wear dynamically as it moves. > Measuring (and correcting for it if you write it into the gcode, so no > more broken taps from hitting the bottom of a hole) overshoot at the > turn around (spindle reverse) point while its doing rigid tapping. And > it does all this with months of uptime if I shut down the daily updates > since its is also building LinuxCNC from github/master, on the pi, for > the pi, installed on the pi at least daily. > > > This thing is for kids to > > learn Linux and open source programming techniques. RaspberryPi PCB > > design is just bad for industrial use: holes for mounting, using glue > > for CPU heatsink, connectors positions and their orientation, sandwich > > style header connector for DIO, silicon waste (for sound and video > > IO), etc. > > > > To execute G-code using a large footprint computer makes no sense > > anymore. This open source based solution is gaining popularity for > > simple CNC: > > https://openbuildspartstore.com/interface/ and other related HW. > > > So thats why the derogatory post. You want to sell your little box. > I don't have a problem with that, beauty always being in the mind of the > beholder. NIH syndrome at its best. > > But you have no excuse to lie and denegrate the pi's while doing it. > > > Just the fact that Openbuilds is not using LinuxCNC is saying > > something. Dead end: no innovations, limitation in > > electronics/hardware selection. > > Cheers, Gene Heskett > -- > "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: > soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." > -Ed Howdershelt (Author) > If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable. > - Louis D. Brandeis > Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene> > > > ___ > Emc-users mailing list > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users > ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Question about Raspberry Pi 4 reliability
I'm running a 4gb pi4b on my Emco lathe with minimal issue. My pulses per unit are really high because of the screw pitch and belt reduction from the emco factory, but it still seems to get along nicely with the rest of the machine. Phil T. The Feral Engineer Check out my LinuxCNC tutorials, machine builds and other antics at www.youtube.com/c/theferalengineer Help support my channel efforts and coffee addiction: www.patreon.com/theferalengineer On Sun, Jun 13, 2021, 9:29 AM Sam Sokolik wrote: > I have been happy with it. > Not been using the PI for production - mostly just tinkering.Doing some > pretty complicated configs. > > I have had it up for many days at a time with no issues... Running > programs that run hours... > > sam > > > On Sun, Jun 13, 2021 at 4:37 AM Gene Heskett wrote: > > > On Sunday 13 June 2021 04:49:19 John Dammeyer wrote: > > > > > > From: Andy Pugh [mailto:bodge...@gmail.com] > > > > > > > > > On 13 Jun 2021, at 00:28, Leonardo Marsaglia > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I do have a Rpi3 > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > I don't know if that's a good candidate to test LCNC. > > > > > > > > I wouldn�t expect the 3B to work with Mesa Ethernet as the pre-4 Pis > > > > have the Ethernet in the USB bus. > > > > > > I've also read that the Pi4 8GB is not ideal for LinuxCNC. Apparently > > > it has issues with that much memory on the Pi. It works best with 4GB > > > apparently. > > > > > > John > > > > > My 2 Gig rpi4 is perhaps a bit crowded. ATM its showing an uptime of > > 18.75 days, and is 160 megs into swap. Swap itself is a 10G partition on > > a 120G SSD, separate from the 240 G work drive so that is working at > > USB3 speeds. I don't consider 160 megs to be a problem child unless it > > impacts the uptime, which at times has been several months as its on a > > small ups and I have automatic backup power that limits downtime to > > about 10 seconds even if the neighborhood is dark for hours. Recall that > > this pi is building and installing master or master-gtk3 many times a > > week. That is working harder than running LCNC. > > > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > > Emc-users mailing list > > > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users > > > > > > Cheers, Gene Heskett > > -- > > "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: > > soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." > > -Ed Howdershelt (Author) > > If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable. > > - Louis D. Brandeis > > Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene> > > > > > > ___ > > Emc-users mailing list > > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users > > > > ___ > Emc-users mailing list > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users > ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Touch screen for LinuxCNC
You sound like my grandfather. He's 88 and still going strong. Be careful out there, we like having you on this side of things. Phil T. The Feral Engineer Check out my LinuxCNC tutorials, machine builds and other antics at www.youtube.com/c/theferalengineer On Wed, Jun 2, 2021, 3:00 PM Gene Heskett wrote: > On Wednesday 02 June 2021 12:26:33 Gerrit Visser wrote: > > > Hi Gene > > From discussions with users of my now-archived Gui, they were using it > > for anything from laser 'etching' wood with a lot of tiny moves to a > > Bridgeport and 2" facemills. > > Grbl is quite capable, people get hung up on the lack of some G codes > > and tool changes but for the most part in small shops and hobbyists it > > makes little difference. Even for thread milling and drilling there > > are other options to generate gcode. Fusion360 has a post for Grbl so > > it is possible to stay within its limits. > > > > Grbl is certainly much easier to install than IinuxCNC so if it does > > enough then that is a plus in my opinion. Grbl gets few updates > > because in the main it is supported by 1 person who is busy with life. > > > That may be, and thaks for the clarification, but at my age, and the > amount of giddyup left, i don't think I'll try to learn a new system. I > am currently running LCNC from the buildbot (master IOW) on 3 wintel > boxes, and building LCNC on an rpi4, for the rpi4, running an 11x54 > Sheldon lathe about 70 yo. > > I'm now 86, and alone having lost my Mrs to COPD last Pearl Harbor Day, > and was using what little giddyup I have left to start installing a new > vinyl fence around my place, and fighting with a pin oaks roots plus an > old fence post, I was trying to pry out a piece of an old post that must > haven been treated really well. Using an 8 foot 1" steel bar I'd > sharpened one end of that runs around 25-30 lbs, it broke loose from the > 33 yo old post's remains, and the 3" tamping pad on the other end of it > came back and smashed dead center into the pacemaker I had put in early > in 2019. Thinking I'd better check it, I came into range of the monitor > but the monitor wasn't getting it. So I went out to the Dr's office, > and his machine said it was working fine, and I should come home and do > a reboot of the monitor, which restored that. So I guess I'm as ok as a > guy with a 30% ticker with replacement parts can be. The best > explanation for my longevity is that he's not ready for me. :) I had a > pulmonary embolism at 79, which has a 2% survival rate, but I got by > then with a slight loss of IQ since I started out at 147 70 some years > ago, so I'm still here. > > > Gerrit > > Take care, and stay well Garrit. > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Gene Heskett > > Sent: June 2, 2021 7:41 AM > > And that is much more informative, Gerrit, thank you. > > > > For grbl based systems. But LCNC has progressed beyond grbl, or that > > is my understanding. I haven't actually seen a comparison of what > > each can do. Does such exist? I suspect not, as it would be quickly > > rendered out of date by the next github commit. > > > > Cheers, Gene Heskett > > > > > > > > ___ > > Emc-users mailing list > > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users > > > Cheers, Gene Heskett > -- > "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: > soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." > -Ed Howdershelt (Author) > If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable. > - Louis D. Brandeis > Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene> > > > ___ > Emc-users mailing list > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users > ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Touch screen for LinuxCNC
That's the one. I was getting them for 189/199usd before the chip shortage. I use gmoccapy on my lathe and alternate between gmoccapy and probe basic on my router. Now that dragon has a 1920 option, I may try that as well. I tinker, so I'm forever trying new stuff. Phil T. The Feral Engineer Check out my LinuxCNC tutorials, machine builds and other antics at www.youtube.com/c/theferalengineer On Tue, Jun 1, 2021, 7:31 PM John Dammeyer wrote: > Yikes. Only number that came up was the VT229H from ASUS. > > https://www.bestbuy.ca/en-ca/product/asus-vt229h-21-5-lcd-touchscreen-monitor-16-9-5-ms-gtg/13502567 > > On sale for a few days for $357.99 w/o PST/GST taxes or a nice even $401 > Cdn. > > What are you using for the display software? > [DISPLAY] > DISPLAY = axis > > John > > > > -----Original Message- > > From: Feral Engineer [mailto:theferalengin...@gmail.com] > > Sent: June-01-21 4:14 PM > > To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) > > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Touch screen for LinuxCNC > > > > I have a planar pct2235 and an asus vct229. Recommend the asus. The > planar > > has an issue where if you jog from the screen buttons and multi touch on > > accident, the jog button latches and takes off. > > > > Phil T. > > The Feral Engineer > > > > Check out my LinuxCNC tutorials, machine builds and other antics at > > www.youtube.com/c/theferalengineer > > > > On Tue, Jun 1, 2021, 7:10 PM John Dammeyer > wrote: > > > > > If I wanted to set up a Pi4 with LinuxCNC and a touch screen is there > any > > > particular one that jumps out as the best solution? > > > > > > And with an LCD display/touch screen other than 'axis' what is a more > > > usable screen? > > > > > > Thanks > > > John > > > > > > "ELS! Nothing else works as well for your Lathe" > > > Automation Artisans Inc. > > > www dot autoartisans dot com > > > > > > > > > ___ > > > Emc-users mailing list > > > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users > > > > > > > ___ > > Emc-users mailing list > > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users > > > > ___ > Emc-users mailing list > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users > ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Touch screen for LinuxCNC
I have a planar pct2235 and an asus vct229. Recommend the asus. The planar has an issue where if you jog from the screen buttons and multi touch on accident, the jog button latches and takes off. Phil T. The Feral Engineer Check out my LinuxCNC tutorials, machine builds and other antics at www.youtube.com/c/theferalengineer On Tue, Jun 1, 2021, 7:10 PM John Dammeyer wrote: > If I wanted to set up a Pi4 with LinuxCNC and a touch screen is there any > particular one that jumps out as the best solution? > > And with an LCD display/touch screen other than 'axis' what is a more > usable screen? > > Thanks > John > > "ELS! Nothing else works as well for your Lathe" > Automation Artisans Inc. > www dot autoartisans dot com > > > ___ > Emc-users mailing list > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users > ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Problem with tapping
The second and third g33.1 lines don't look kosher to me. If g33.1 is a modal G call, after the first g33.1, it should just be a series of X/Y positioning moves Dirty example of g84 on fanuc: G0 g90 g54 g95 x0 y0 (POSITION, UNIT PER REV FEED) G43 h1 z2. M29 S1000 (ENABLE RIGID TAP, SET RPM) G84 G99 Z-1. F0.0625 R.1 X1. Y1. X2. Y.5 G80 G91 G28 Z0 M30 Phil T. The Feral Engineer Check out my LinuxCNC tutorials, machine builds and other antics at www.youtube.com/c/theferalengineer On Mon, May 24, 2021, 5:29 PM Ed wrote: > Following is a snippet of a program using G33.1 > > The first hole is tapped correctly then all the rest get switched X and > Z. It will move to X -.8 then back then to x-.25 and repeat for the rest > whether there is a G33.1 on the line or not. > > > Using Version 2.7.14 > > > > g53g0z0 > m6t25 > g43h25 > m3s500 > g0x-.25y0z.2 > g33.1k.0556z-.8 > g33.1x-1k.0556 > g33.1x-1.625k.0556 > x-2.375k.0556 > x-3k.0556 > x-3.75k.0556 > x-4.375k.0556 > x-5.125k.0556 > m5 > > > > > ___ > Emc-users mailing list > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users > ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Looking for ways to connect external pots up to axis. (similar to how gmoccapy works)
Yup, just found it. This should work-ish loadrt conv_float_s32 addf conv-float-s32.0 servo-thread setp halui.rapid-override.direct-value 1 setp halui.rapid-override.scale .038 net jog-override-scale hm2_7i76e.0.7i76.0.0.analogin0 conv-float-s32.0.in net jog-override-anal conv-float-s32.0.out halui.rapid-override.counts Phil T. The Feral Engineer Check out my LinuxCNC tutorials, machine builds and other antics at www.youtube.com/c/theferalengineer On Mon, May 24, 2021, 3:49 PM andrew beck wrote: > Hey everyone. > > I have pots set up as external overrides on my machine. > > I'm using axis currently as a short term solution before changing to a > qtpyvcp or qtvcp gui. > > Just trying to connect up my pots to the feedrate overrides. > > In gmoccapy there is a direct value pin which alloys me to change the gui > sliders from pots. > > > I can't find something similar in axis. > > What are people using? > > And can anyone think of a solution. I like axis for testing as it is > simple and just works. > > Regards > > Andrew > > ___ > Emc-users mailing list > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users > ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Looking for ways to connect external pots up to axis. (similar to how gmoccapy works)
I've got this, but it's on my PI inside my emco... I'd swear I sent it to you a few weeks ago. Check the Facebook chat. Phil T. The Feral Engineer Check out my LinuxCNC tutorials, machine builds and other antics at www.youtube.com/c/theferalengineer On Mon, May 24, 2021, 3:49 PM andrew beck wrote: > Hey everyone. > > I have pots set up as external overrides on my machine. > > I'm using axis currently as a short term solution before changing to a > qtpyvcp or qtvcp gui. > > Just trying to connect up my pots to the feedrate overrides. > > In gmoccapy there is a direct value pin which alloys me to change the gui > sliders from pots. > > > I can't find something similar in axis. > > What are people using? > > And can anyone think of a solution. I like axis for testing as it is > simple and just works. > > Regards > > Andrew > > ___ > Emc-users mailing list > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users > ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] homing off glass scale
Well, i mean there is that guy AvE on YouTube that cut a potato on a bridgeport... Phil T. The Feral Engineer Check out my LinuxCNC tutorials, machine builds and other antics at www.youtube.com/c/theferalengineer On Sat, May 22, 2021, 9:58 PM Peter C. Wallace wrote: > On Sat, 22 May 2021, dave engvall wrote: > > > Date: Sat, 22 May 2021 17:12:35 -0700 > > From: dave engvall > > Reply-To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)" > > > > To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)" > > > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] homing off glass scale > > > > Talk about having a bad day. Sure glad the extras were just a recipe and > > not something private. :-) > > > > Dave > > I was having more than a bit of trouble figuring out the relevance > > Precision food machining? > > Peter Wallace > Mesa Electronics > > > > ___ > Emc-users mailing list > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users > ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] homing off glass scale
I'm allergic to shrimp, so I just kept scrolling Phil T. The Feral Engineer Check out my LinuxCNC tutorials, machine builds and other antics at www.youtube.com/c/theferalengineer On Sat, May 22, 2021, 8:16 PM dave engvall wrote: > Talk about having a bad day. Sure glad the extras were just a recipe and > not something private. :-) > > Dave > > ps. clear down at the bottom of the post is the 'real post' about homing > with a glass scale. > You can delete 90% of it and won't miss a thing. > > > On 5/22/21 8:09 AM, dave engvall wrote: > > > > Instructions > > > > * > >Rinse and pat the shrimp dry, then transfer to a large mixing bowl. > >Drizzle with 1/2 tablespoon olive oil and sprinkle with the chili > >powder, chipotle chili, cumin, and salt. Toss to coat evenly. Let > >rest while you prepare the shrimp taco sauce and slaw. > > * > >Prepare the sauce and slaw: In a food processor fitted with a steel > >blade, process the Greek yogurt, olive oil, garlic, jalapeno, > >cilantro, salt, lime zest, and lime juice. Taste and adjust > >seasonings as desired. Place the cabbage in a mixing bowl and toss > >with about 1/2 cup of the sauce. Add more sauce if you desire a > >creamier slaw, then reserve the rest of the sauce for serving. > > * > >Cook the shrimp: In a large nonstick skillet over medium high, heat > >the remaining 1/2 tablespoon olive oil. Add the shrimp and sauté > >just until the shrimp is cooked through and no longer translucent in > >the center, about 4 minutes. Do not overcook! Transfer > >the shrimp immediately to a plate. > > * > >Warm the tortillas (optional) and assemble the tacos: If you like, > >warm the tortillas in the microwave (put them in a stack and cover > >them with a lightly damp towel) or a 250 degree F oven while > >the shrimp cook. To serve, fill the tortillas with your desired > >number of shrimp, then top generously with the slaw, extra sauce, a > >squeeze of lime juice, and any other desired toppings. Enjoy > >immediately. > > > > > > Notes > > > > * The shrimp tastes best the day it is made but can be stored in the > >refrigerator for up to 3 days. Since shrimp tends to dry out when > >reheated, I prefer to use the leftovers on top of salads. Slaw can > >be stored in the refrigerator for up to 2 days, and any extra sauce > >can be refrigerated for up to 5 days. > > > > > > Nutrition > > > > *Serving*: 1taco (of 8), including tortilla, shrimp, and slaw > > *Calories*: 158kcal > > *Carbohydrates*: 14g > > *Protein*: 13g > > *Fat*: 6g > > *Saturated Fat*: 1g > > *Cholesterol*: 1mg > > *Fiber*: 2gSugar: 3g > > > > Advertisement > > > > Well Plated > > > > > >More from Well Plated > > > > * Instant Pot Chicken Tikka Masala Recipe > > < > https://getpocket.com/redirect?skipSyndication=1=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.wellplated.com%2Finstant-pot-chicken-tikka-masala%2F=6e8822e7c6867bde36d360007e1940d53f9b906a6219ff5e4794b9af487efba0=0 > > > > > >413 saves > > * Harvest Chicken Skillet with Sweet Potatoes Brussels Sprouts and > >Sautéed Apples > > < > https://getpocket.com/redirect?skipSyndication=1=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.wellplated.com%2Fchicken-apple-sweet-potato-and-brussels-sprouts-skillet%2F=585682adb533bc9ea8ffbb3ac8257c1618a4645af28741047ac5159f8f29f791=0 > > > > > >375 saves > > * Slow Cooker Honey Garlic Chicken Recipe > > < > https://getpocket.com/redirect?skipSyndication=1=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.wellplated.com%2Fslow-cooker-honey-garlic-chicken%2F=ad049192a5acfb8395374630c2c5baf5ac54b0739d3a8b0a3581f1b7edb78a21=0 > > > > > >216 saves > > > > Advertisement > > > > How was it? Save stories you love and never lose them. > > > > > > > > This post originally appeared on Well Plated and was published April > > 11, 2018. This article is republished here with permission. > > > > What more easy, healthy recipes? > > > > Get Well Plated’s Newsletter > > <https://erin-wellplated-com.ck.page/71d4110090/?utm_source=pocket> > > > > Advertisement > > > > > > More Stories from Pocket > > > > * > > < > https://getpocket.com/explore/item/how-to-make-better-than-takeout-beef-and-broccoli-in-the-slow-cooker > > > > > >
Re: [Emc-users] Freenode Shenagins
We need to get with the times and have a tiktok that clickbaits to our onlyfans... I kid... Phil T. The Feral Engineer Check out my LinuxCNC tutorials, machine builds and other antics at www.youtube.com/c/theferalengineer On Wed, May 19, 2021, 9:00 PM Stuart Stevenson wrote: > Andy, > Heh, maybe there is a need for an app to merge all the connections in real > time so everyone can communicate! > Stuart > > On Wed, May 19, 2021 at 7:53 PM andy pugh wrote: > > > On Thu, 20 May 2021 at 01:32, Bari wrote: > > > > > > So at least four spots for chat. The Matrix, Discord, freenode and > > liberia. > > > > > > Plus the forums and the two mail lists. > > > > it is clearly imperative that we add an Instagram and a Gopher server. > > > > -- > > atp > > "A motorcycle is a bicycle with a pandemonium attachment and is > > designed for the especial use of mechanical geniuses, daredevils and > > lunatics." > > — George Fitch, Atlanta Constitution Newspaper, 1912 > > > > > > ___ > > Emc-users mailing list > > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users > > > > > -- > Addressee is the intended audience. > If you are not the addressee then my consent is not given for you to read > this email furthermore it is my wish you would close this without saving or > reading, and cease and desist from saving or opening my private > correspondence. > Thank you for honoring my wish. > > ___ > Emc-users mailing list > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users > ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] using m98 fanuc subprograms
Here ya go. Working programs, hot off the press. Main program 1230.ngc, M98 call program 1234.ngc. Make sure you have SUBROUTINE_PATH = /home/whatever_sub_path_you_use/linuxcnc/nc_files/ in your ini file or it won't find it under the RS274NGC section Phil T. The Feral Engineer Check out my LinuxCNC tutorials, machine builds and other antics at www.youtube.com/c/theferalengineer On Mon, May 17, 2021 at 6:09 PM andrew beck wrote: > thanks phil. once again you save the day maybe put it here so everyone > else can work it out also > > On Tue, May 18, 2021 at 10:00 AM Feral Engineer < > theferalengin...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > I've tried this and it worked for me. Let me pull up the info and I'll > get > > back to you. > > > > Phil T. > > The Feral Engineer > > > > Check out my LinuxCNC tutorials, machine builds and other antics at > > www.youtube.com/c/theferalengineer > > > > On Mon, May 17, 2021, 5:44 PM andrew beck > > wrote: > > > > > hey guys > > > > > > just looking for some info on how to use m98 fanuc subprograms on > > linuxcnc > > > > > > I have someone that has a shop full of fanuc machines and i have > > > retrofitted a cnc machine for him last week. he would love to be able > to > > > use his old programs but has a m98 p subprogram that needs to sit > in > > > the subprogram folder in linuxcnc and get called up when desired. all > > the > > > subprogram does is set a bunch of modal gcode stuff like G95 G17 etc > > > > > > does anyone have any old programs working like this to show me and is > > > anyone using the m98 fanuc programs in linuxcnc here is the link to the > > > docs that shows that it should be possible > > > > > > > > > > > > http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/gcode/o-code.html#ocode:fanuc-style-programs > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > Andrew > > > > > > ___ > > > Emc-users mailing list > > > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users > > > > > > > ___ > > Emc-users mailing list > > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users > > > > ___ > Emc-users mailing list > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users > 1234.ngc Description: application/neo-geo-pocket-color-rom 1230.ngc Description: application/neo-geo-pocket-color-rom ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] using m98 fanuc subprograms
I've tried this and it worked for me. Let me pull up the info and I'll get back to you. Phil T. The Feral Engineer Check out my LinuxCNC tutorials, machine builds and other antics at www.youtube.com/c/theferalengineer On Mon, May 17, 2021, 5:44 PM andrew beck wrote: > hey guys > > just looking for some info on how to use m98 fanuc subprograms on linuxcnc > > I have someone that has a shop full of fanuc machines and i have > retrofitted a cnc machine for him last week. he would love to be able to > use his old programs but has a m98 p subprogram that needs to sit in > the subprogram folder in linuxcnc and get called up when desired. all the > subprogram does is set a bunch of modal gcode stuff like G95 G17 etc > > does anyone have any old programs working like this to show me and is > anyone using the m98 fanuc programs in linuxcnc here is the link to the > docs that shows that it should be possible > > > http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/gcode/o-code.html#ocode:fanuc-style-programs > > > regards > > Andrew > > ___ > Emc-users mailing list > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users > ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Rpi4B OS
Andy, Have you experienced crashes in lcnc on a pi4b? I've had the software bomb out on me a bunch of times, mainly when tapping the touchscreen too quickly. Do you have any recommended settings for the best speed and reliability? Phil T. The Feral Engineer Check out my LinuxCNC tutorials, machine builds and other antics at www.youtube.com/c/theferalengineer On Tue, Apr 6, 2021, 5:51 PM andy pugh wrote: > On Tue, 6 Apr 2021 at 22:35, dave engvall wrote: > > > Download a buster image as a .zip. Unpack to get an .img. > > Which Buster image, from where? The LinuxCNC one works for me, on a > variety of Pis. > > I would suggest using the RPi imager app from Raspberry Pi, that seems > to be the most reliable way of writing the SD card. > https://www.raspberrypi.org/software/ > > > -- > atp > "A motorcycle is a bicycle with a pandemonium attachment and is > designed for the especial use of mechanical geniuses, daredevils and > lunatics." > — George Fitch, Atlanta Constitution Newspaper, 1912 > > > ___ > Emc-users mailing list > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users > ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] [Emc-developers] Home_use_index issue revisited
I did it from the buildbot buster repository and it worked a treat Phil T. The Feral Engineer Check out my LinuxCNC tutorials, machine builds and other antics at www.youtube.com/c/theferalengineer On Sun, Apr 4, 2021, 12:35 PM Gene Heskett wrote: > On Sunday 04 April 2021 11:42:24 Feral Engineer wrote: > > > That might be worth a try. > > > > Is it safe to load the build bot master repository on a pi? > > > > Phil T. > > The Feral Engineer > > > Sure, I'm doing git pulls and building master on a pi4, 6 to 10 times a > week. Then installing the debs built. Works fine. > > > Check out my LinuxCNC tutorials, machine builds and other antics at > > www.youtube.com/c/theferalengineer > > > > On Sun, Apr 4, 2021, 11:38 AM Dewey Garrett wrote: > > > The git *master* branch has an ini setting that may be relevant > > > for this use case: > > > > > > http://linuxcnc.org/docs/master/html/config/ini-config.html > > > > > > "HOME_INDEX_NO_ENCODER_RESET = NO - Use YES if the encoder > > > used for this joint does not reset its counter when an > > > index pulse is detected after assertion of the joint > > > index_enable hal pin. Applicable only for HOME_USE_INDEX = YES." > > > > > > Refs: > > > > > > https://github.com/LinuxCNC/linuxcnc/commit/5ea573adde > > > > > > Also see forum thread starting here: > > > > > > https://forum.linuxcnc.org/10-advanced-configuration/31813-tcp-5-axi > > >s-kinematics?start=120#139881 -- > > > Dewey Garrett > > > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > > Emc-users mailing list > > > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users > > > > ___ > > Emc-users mailing list > > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users > > > Cheers, Gene Heskett > -- > "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: > soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." > -Ed Howdershelt (Author) > If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable. > - Louis D. Brandeis > Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene> > > > ___ > Emc-users mailing list > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users > ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] [Emc-developers] Home_use_index issue revisited
Well, it's working now with HOME_INDEX_NO_ENCODER_RESET = YES, so I'm a happy little clam. If it didn't, I was about to start ripping into source code and breaking stuff because I wanted it to work. You guys created a monster. I like Linuxcnc so much, I started learning C and plan on moving to C++ and Python when I get proficient with it . On the surface, it looked like I was doing everything correctly. The prox was set up as software encoder phase Z and it was catching the signal. If you didn't know how the function works at a code level, you'd be pulling your hair out as well, I'm sure. Phil T. The Feral Engineer Check out my LinuxCNC tutorials, machine builds and other antics at www.youtube.com/c/theferalengineer On Sun, Apr 4, 2021, 12:25 PM andy pugh wrote: > On Sun, 4 Apr 2021 at 16:26, Feral Engineer > wrote: > > But that's how I have it set up. The prox is set as encoder index and it > > finds it but after it finds it, it goes back to the position the machine > > was at during startup. That's what I'm trying to fix. How do i fix this? > > > The point of HOME_USE_INDEX is to home using the index of an encoder. The > clue is rather in the name. > > You are not using an encoder, so it isn't working. > > This is what it meant to happen: > > Normal homing sequence. > Then index-enable is asserted. > The index is hit the encoder is zeroed (typically inside an FPGA) > LinuxCNC spots that the encoder is zeroed, and looks at the encoder > position. > This position will be slightly past the index, due to timing. The current > counts show the exact point that the encoder index happened. So the system > can use the current joint.N.position-fb as an accurate home. > > But, in your case, the feedback is not from any sort of encoder, it is from > a stepgen. Which isn't zeroed. > Which is why, with your setup, the home position is taken to be the exact > point that the stepgen was initialised. > > HOME_USE_INDEX works really very well, if used as intended. It doesn't work > at all if enabled on an unsuitable system. In fact on your system the final > result is exactly as if you had not homed at all. > > -- > atp > "A motorcycle is a bicycle with a pandemonium attachment and is designed > for the especial use of mechanical geniuses, daredevils and lunatics." > — George Fitch, Atlanta Constitution Newspaper, 1912 > > ___ > Emc-users mailing list > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users > ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] [Emc-developers] Home_use_index issue revisited
My feed to the prox is pretty slow and it's just a benchtop machine, so I'm
not worried about holding billionths, it's just nice to retrofit the
machine with all of the original functionality. I figured the machine came
set up with a mechanical and proximity home sensor on x and z and dammit,
that's how I want it to work! Why should fanuc and siemens get all the
glory?
Phil T.
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On Sun, Apr 4, 2021, 12:19 PM Peter C. Wallace wrote:
> On Sun, 4 Apr 2021, Feral Engineer wrote:
>
> > Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2021 12:05:45 -0400
> > From: Feral Engineer
> > Reply-To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)"
> >
> > To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)" >
> > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] [Emc-developers] Home_use_index issue revisited
> >
> > I'll do some repeatability testing on Tuesday. Between Easter family
> > visits, work and band practice tomorrow night, I won't have a chance to
> get
> > back on the machine until then.
> >
> > When I had the and2 gate connecting both switches last night as my last
> > ditch effort, it repeated perfectly over a dozen times.
>
> Right and as Sam said, adding index to this really doesnt add anything but
> complexity if you can detect the index at linuxCNCs servo thread rate.
>
> Where index can improve homing accuracy is when you have high resolution
> encoders (and you clear on index) so the actual high resolution count is
> captured in hardware without any servo thread sampling uncertainty
>
> LinuxCNC master and Hostmot2 do support stepgen index with the right
> firmware
> but this requires a high speed index input since the index input is a fully
> hardware signal that captures the stepgen position.
>
> >
> > Happy international carrot day, everybody! (Yes, it's really a thing)
> >
> > Phil T.
> > The Feral Engineer
> >
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> > www.youtube.com/c/theferalengineer
> >
> > On Sun, Apr 4, 2021, 11:59 AM Peter C. Wallace wrote:
> >
> >> On Sun, 4 Apr 2021, Dewey Garrett wrote:
> >>
> >>> Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2021 15:36:30 - (UTC)
> >>> From: Dewey Garrett
> >>> Reply-To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)"
> >>>
> >>> To: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
> >>> Subject: Re: [Emc-users] [Emc-developers] Home_use_index issue
> revisited
> >>>
> >>> The git *master* branch has an ini setting that may be relevant
> >>> for this use case:
> >>>
> >>> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/master/html/config/ini-config.html
> >>>
> >>> "HOME_INDEX_NO_ENCODER_RESET = NO - Use YES if the encoder
> >>> used for this joint does not reset its counter when an
> >>> index pulse is detected after assertion of the joint
> >>> index_enable hal pin. Applicable only for HOME_USE_INDEX = YES."
> >>>
> >>> Refs:
> >>>
> >>> https://github.com/LinuxCNC/linuxcnc/commit/5ea573adde
> >>>
> >>> Also see forum thread starting here:
> >>>
> >>
> https://forum.linuxcnc.org/10-advanced-configuration/31813-tcp-5-axis-kinematics?start=120#139881
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> >> Thats interesting. I guess that allows index detection if the pulse is
> too
> >> short
> >> but may be off a few counts...
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Re: [Emc-users] [Emc-developers] Home_use_index issue revisited
I'll do some repeatability testing on Tuesday. Between Easter family visits, work and band practice tomorrow night, I won't have a chance to get back on the machine until then. When I had the and2 gate connecting both switches last night as my last ditch effort, it repeated perfectly over a dozen times. Happy international carrot day, everybody! (Yes, it's really a thing) Phil T. The Feral Engineer Check out my LinuxCNC tutorials, machine builds and other antics at www.youtube.com/c/theferalengineer On Sun, Apr 4, 2021, 11:59 AM Peter C. Wallace wrote: > On Sun, 4 Apr 2021, Dewey Garrett wrote: > > > Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2021 15:36:30 - (UTC) > > From: Dewey Garrett > > Reply-To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)" > > > > To: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] [Emc-developers] Home_use_index issue revisited > > > > The git *master* branch has an ini setting that may be relevant > > for this use case: > > > > http://linuxcnc.org/docs/master/html/config/ini-config.html > > > > "HOME_INDEX_NO_ENCODER_RESET = NO - Use YES if the encoder > > used for this joint does not reset its counter when an > > index pulse is detected after assertion of the joint > > index_enable hal pin. Applicable only for HOME_USE_INDEX = YES." > > > > Refs: > > > > https://github.com/LinuxCNC/linuxcnc/commit/5ea573adde > > > > Also see forum thread starting here: > > > https://forum.linuxcnc.org/10-advanced-configuration/31813-tcp-5-axis-kinematics?start=120#139881 > > -- > > Dewey Garrett > > > > > > > > ___ > > Emc-users mailing list > > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users > > > > > Thats interesting. I guess that allows index detection if the pulse is too > short > but may be off a few counts... > > Peter Wallace > Mesa Electronics > > > > ___ > Emc-users mailing list > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users > ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] [Emc-developers] Home_use_index issue revisited
THANK YOU DEWEY GARRETT!! IT WORKS! Phil T. The Feral Engineer Check out my LinuxCNC tutorials, machine builds and other antics at www.youtube.com/c/theferalengineer On Sun, Apr 4, 2021, 11:50 AM Feral Engineer wrote: > You don't know how my brain works, though... I'm obsessive to the max. If > it can be done, I'll spend days having at it to make it work. > > Phil T. > The Feral Engineer > > Check out my LinuxCNC tutorials, machine builds and other antics at > www.youtube.com/c/theferalengineer > > On Sun, Apr 4, 2021, 11:48 AM Sam Sokolik wrote: > >> Trying to use the index functionality is adding a layer of complexity you >> don't need. Just and the 2 switches together and run them into the home >> input. >> >> On Sun, Apr 4, 2021, 10:44 AM Feral Engineer >> wrote: >> >> > That might be worth a try. >> > >> > Is it safe to load the build bot master repository on a pi? >> > >> > Phil T. >> > The Feral Engineer >> > >> > Check out my LinuxCNC tutorials, machine builds and other antics at >> > www.youtube.com/c/theferalengineer >> > >> > On Sun, Apr 4, 2021, 11:38 AM Dewey Garrett wrote: >> > >> > > The git *master* branch has an ini setting that may be relevant >> > > for this use case: >> > > >> > > http://linuxcnc.org/docs/master/html/config/ini-config.html >> > > >> > > "HOME_INDEX_NO_ENCODER_RESET = NO - Use YES if the encoder >> > > used for this joint does not reset its counter when an >> > > index pulse is detected after assertion of the joint >> > > index_enable hal pin. Applicable only for HOME_USE_INDEX = YES." >> > > >> > > Refs: >> > > >> > > https://github.com/LinuxCNC/linuxcnc/commit/5ea573adde >> > > >> > > Also see forum thread starting here: >> > > >> > > >> > >> https://forum.linuxcnc.org/10-advanced-configuration/31813-tcp-5-axis-kinematics?start=120#139881 >> > > -- >> > > Dewey Garrett >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > ___ >> > > Emc-users mailing list >> > > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net >> > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users >> > > >> > >> > ___ >> > Emc-users mailing list >> > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net >> > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users >> > >> >> ___ >> Emc-users mailing list >> Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users >> > ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] [Emc-developers] Home_use_index issue revisited
You don't know how my brain works, though... I'm obsessive to the max. If it can be done, I'll spend days having at it to make it work. Phil T. The Feral Engineer Check out my LinuxCNC tutorials, machine builds and other antics at www.youtube.com/c/theferalengineer On Sun, Apr 4, 2021, 11:48 AM Sam Sokolik wrote: > Trying to use the index functionality is adding a layer of complexity you > don't need. Just and the 2 switches together and run them into the home > input. > > On Sun, Apr 4, 2021, 10:44 AM Feral Engineer > wrote: > > > That might be worth a try. > > > > Is it safe to load the build bot master repository on a pi? > > > > Phil T. > > The Feral Engineer > > > > Check out my LinuxCNC tutorials, machine builds and other antics at > > www.youtube.com/c/theferalengineer > > > > On Sun, Apr 4, 2021, 11:38 AM Dewey Garrett wrote: > > > > > The git *master* branch has an ini setting that may be relevant > > > for this use case: > > > > > > http://linuxcnc.org/docs/master/html/config/ini-config.html > > > > > > "HOME_INDEX_NO_ENCODER_RESET = NO - Use YES if the encoder > > > used for this joint does not reset its counter when an > > > index pulse is detected after assertion of the joint > > > index_enable hal pin. Applicable only for HOME_USE_INDEX = YES." > > > > > > Refs: > > > > > > https://github.com/LinuxCNC/linuxcnc/commit/5ea573adde > > > > > > Also see forum thread starting here: > > > > > > > > > https://forum.linuxcnc.org/10-advanced-configuration/31813-tcp-5-axis-kinematics?start=120#139881 > > > -- > > > Dewey Garrett > > > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > > Emc-users mailing list > > > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users > > > > > > > ___ > > Emc-users mailing list > > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users > > > > ___ > Emc-users mailing list > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users > ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] [Emc-developers] Home_use_index issue revisited
That might be worth a try. Is it safe to load the build bot master repository on a pi? Phil T. The Feral Engineer Check out my LinuxCNC tutorials, machine builds and other antics at www.youtube.com/c/theferalengineer On Sun, Apr 4, 2021, 11:38 AM Dewey Garrett wrote: > The git *master* branch has an ini setting that may be relevant > for this use case: > > http://linuxcnc.org/docs/master/html/config/ini-config.html > > "HOME_INDEX_NO_ENCODER_RESET = NO - Use YES if the encoder > used for this joint does not reset its counter when an > index pulse is detected after assertion of the joint > index_enable hal pin. Applicable only for HOME_USE_INDEX = YES." > > Refs: > > https://github.com/LinuxCNC/linuxcnc/commit/5ea573adde > > Also see forum thread starting here: > > https://forum.linuxcnc.org/10-advanced-configuration/31813-tcp-5-axis-kinematics?start=120#139881 > -- > Dewey Garrett > > > > ___ > Emc-users mailing list > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users > ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] [Emc-developers] Home_use_index issue revisited
What kind of voodoo do I use to have the index pulse of the prox reset the encoder position? It finds the index signal from the prox, but doesn't behave the way i think it should. If I don't have the prox index set up, it just keeps drifting along because it doesn't find the index. Phil T. The Feral Engineer Check out my LinuxCNC tutorials, machine builds and other antics at www.youtube.com/c/theferalengineer On Sun, Apr 4, 2021, 11:37 AM Peter C. Wallace wrote: > On Sun, 4 Apr 2021, Feral Engineer wrote: > > > Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2021 11:23:32 -0400 > > From: Feral Engineer > > Reply-To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)" > > > > To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)" > > > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] [Emc-developers] Home_use_index issue revisited > > > > But that's how I have it set up. The prox is set as encoder index and it > > finds it but after it finds it, it goes back to the position the machine > > was at during startup. That's what I'm trying to fix. How do i fix this? > > But you are not getting position feedback from the encoder so the > feedback position is not cleared. This means that linuxCNC will move > to a position determined by wherever the stepgen feedback happened > to be at index detection. > > > > > > Phil T. > > The Feral Engineer > > > > Check out my LinuxCNC tutorials, machine builds and other antics at > > www.youtube.com/c/theferalengineer > > > > On Sun, Apr 4, 2021, 11:20 AM Peter C. Wallace wrote: > > > >> On Sun, 4 Apr 2021, Feral Engineer wrote: > >> > >>> Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2021 11:04:10 -0400 > >>> From: Feral Engineer > >>> Reply-To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)" > >>> > >>> To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)" < > emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > >>> > >>> Subject: Re: [Emc-users] [Emc-developers] Home_use_index issue > revisited > >>> > >>> That's the thing, though. The behavior is completely arbitrary based on > >>> where the machine is powered up. > >>> > >>> When I use the mechanical switches, it'll find them, back away and zero > >> is > >>> right there. Works perfect. > >>> > >>> As soon as I add the index pulse, it just takes off and goes back to > >> where > >>> it came from on startup. It makes no sense to me, especially since I > >>> eliminated the prox sensors from being energized until after the > >> mechanical > >>> switches were triggered. It's gotta be pulling a value from somewhere. > >> Even > >>> the documentation doesn't talk about this weird behavior, considering > >>> everything else is set to zero. > >> > >> This is totally expected behavior, since LinuxCNC expects the feedback > >> position > >> to have been cleared on index, and it is not... > >> > >> Normal homing to index sequence with encoder feedback is: > >> > >> LinuxCNC (motion) searches for home switch > >> When home switch is detected, LinuxCNC asserts index enable > >> LinuxCNC moves while watching index enable > >> Encoder hardware/software detects index pulse and > >> 1. Clears index enable, informing linuxCNC that index has been > detected > >> 2. Clears the position feedback count to 0 > >> LinuxCNC detects that index enable has been cleared stops motion > >> and sets its commanded position to the feedback position when stopped > >> > >>> > >>> I'm on my way to go get the information Andy requested. > >>> > >>> Phil T. > >>> The Feral Engineer > >>> > >>> Check out my LinuxCNC tutorials, machine builds and other antics at > >>> www.youtube.com/c/theferalengineer > >>> > >>> On Sun, Apr 4, 2021, 10:51 AM Scott Harwell via Emc-users < > >>> emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net> wrote: > >>> > >>>> Phil, > >>>> I agree with you. > >>>> > >>>> The one event that scared me the most was setting up a new AB 8400 > >>>> retrofit. AB improved the "G" software to go to zero after home > >>>> (undocumented).The machine was a P Wolverine with three spindle > heads > >> X > >>>> 120" Y 50" Z 24" and 40HP. The true thrill of Z axis trying to put the > >> face > >>>> of the spindle flat on the table with a test bar in it will
Re: [Emc-users] [Emc-developers] Home_use_index issue revisited
But that's how I have it set up. The prox is set as encoder index and it finds it but after it finds it, it goes back to the position the machine was at during startup. That's what I'm trying to fix. How do i fix this? Phil T. The Feral Engineer Check out my LinuxCNC tutorials, machine builds and other antics at www.youtube.com/c/theferalengineer On Sun, Apr 4, 2021, 11:20 AM Peter C. Wallace wrote: > On Sun, 4 Apr 2021, Feral Engineer wrote: > > > Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2021 11:04:10 -0400 > > From: Feral Engineer > > Reply-To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)" > > > > To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)" > > > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] [Emc-developers] Home_use_index issue revisited > > > > That's the thing, though. The behavior is completely arbitrary based on > > where the machine is powered up. > > > > When I use the mechanical switches, it'll find them, back away and zero > is > > right there. Works perfect. > > > > As soon as I add the index pulse, it just takes off and goes back to > where > > it came from on startup. It makes no sense to me, especially since I > > eliminated the prox sensors from being energized until after the > mechanical > > switches were triggered. It's gotta be pulling a value from somewhere. > Even > > the documentation doesn't talk about this weird behavior, considering > > everything else is set to zero. > > This is totally expected behavior, since LinuxCNC expects the feedback > position > to have been cleared on index, and it is not... > > Normal homing to index sequence with encoder feedback is: > > LinuxCNC (motion) searches for home switch > When home switch is detected, LinuxCNC asserts index enable > LinuxCNC moves while watching index enable > Encoder hardware/software detects index pulse and > 1. Clears index enable, informing linuxCNC that index has been detected > 2. Clears the position feedback count to 0 > LinuxCNC detects that index enable has been cleared stops motion > and sets its commanded position to the feedback position when stopped > > > > > I'm on my way to go get the information Andy requested. > > > > Phil T. > > The Feral Engineer > > > > Check out my LinuxCNC tutorials, machine builds and other antics at > > www.youtube.com/c/theferalengineer > > > > On Sun, Apr 4, 2021, 10:51 AM Scott Harwell via Emc-users < > > emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net> wrote: > > > >> Phil, > >> I agree with you. > >> > >> The one event that scared me the most was setting up a new AB 8400 > >> retrofit. AB improved the "G" software to go to zero after home > >> (undocumented).The machine was a P Wolverine with three spindle heads > X > >> 120" Y 50" Z 24" and 40HP. The true thrill of Z axis trying to put the > face > >> of the spindle flat on the table with a test bar in it will stop your > >> heart.Z home is near the top of Z stroke, and you define it as > required. Do > >> not assume home is zero, it is a preset value from Zero, or it should > >> be.(Home is where the marker pulse is) > >> Scott H > >> > >> On Sunday, April 4, 2021, 9:08:01 AM CDT, Feral Engineer < > >> theferalengin...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> > >> But home should be referenced from the switch and reset with the proxy > as > >> the index pulse. I don't see this as normal behavior. Homing against the > >> switch then moving to some arbitrary position defeats the purpose of > having > >> a homing sequence. If you watch my video, "zero" is purely dependent on > >> where the machine is when you start the software. All of my ini settings > >> are zero. Between the two reference returns I show in my video, nothing > >> changed but the position the machine was in when the software was > started. > >> This behavior is not present when only using the mechanical switch. > >> > >> Phil T. > >> The Feral Engineer > >> > >> Check out my LinuxCNC tutorials, machine builds and other antics at > >> www.youtube.com/c/theferalengineer > >> > >> On Sun, Apr 4, 2021, 4:45 AM Frank Tkalcevic < > fr...@franksworkshop.com.au> > >> wrote: > >> > >>> What I'm seeing (and I'm not a linuxcnc expert) looks correct. After > the > >>> homing sequence it jumps to HOME. This is documented here (0.1.3.7) > >>> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.4/html/config_ini_homing.html > >>> > >>
Re: [Emc-users] [Emc-developers] Home_use_index issue revisited
Andy, Joint.0.motor-pos-fb is tied to 7i76 stepgen.00.position-fb Getting video of the situation now Phil T. The Feral Engineer Check out my LinuxCNC tutorials, machine builds and other antics at www.youtube.com/c/theferalengineer On Sun, Apr 4, 2021, 11:04 AM Feral Engineer wrote: > That's the thing, though. The behavior is completely arbitrary based on > where the machine is powered up. > > When I use the mechanical switches, it'll find them, back away and zero is > right there. Works perfect. > > As soon as I add the index pulse, it just takes off and goes back to where > it came from on startup. It makes no sense to me, especially since I > eliminated the prox sensors from being energized until after the mechanical > switches were triggered. It's gotta be pulling a value from somewhere. Even > the documentation doesn't talk about this weird behavior, considering > everything else is set to zero. > > I'm on my way to go get the information Andy requested. > > Phil T. > The Feral Engineer > > Check out my LinuxCNC tutorials, machine builds and other antics at > www.youtube.com/c/theferalengineer > > On Sun, Apr 4, 2021, 10:51 AM Scott Harwell via Emc-users < > emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net> wrote: > >> Phil, >> I agree with you. >> >> The one event that scared me the most was setting up a new AB 8400 >> retrofit. AB improved the "G" software to go to zero after home >> (undocumented).The machine was a P Wolverine with three spindle heads X >> 120" Y 50" Z 24" and 40HP. The true thrill of Z axis trying to put the face >> of the spindle flat on the table with a test bar in it will stop your >> heart.Z home is near the top of Z stroke, and you define it as required. Do >> not assume home is zero, it is a preset value from Zero, or it should >> be.(Home is where the marker pulse is) >> Scott H >> >> On Sunday, April 4, 2021, 9:08:01 AM CDT, Feral Engineer < >> theferalengin...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> But home should be referenced from the switch and reset with the proxy as >> the index pulse. I don't see this as normal behavior. Homing against the >> switch then moving to some arbitrary position defeats the purpose of >> having >> a homing sequence. If you watch my video, "zero" is purely dependent on >> where the machine is when you start the software. All of my ini settings >> are zero. Between the two reference returns I show in my video, nothing >> changed but the position the machine was in when the software was started. >> This behavior is not present when only using the mechanical switch. >> >> Phil T. >> The Feral Engineer >> >> Check out my LinuxCNC tutorials, machine builds and other antics at >> www.youtube.com/c/theferalengineer >> >> On Sun, Apr 4, 2021, 4:45 AM Frank Tkalcevic > > >> wrote: >> >> > What I'm seeing (and I'm not a linuxcnc expert) looks correct. After >> the >> > homing sequence it jumps to HOME. This is documented here (0.1.3.7) >> > http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.4/html/config_ini_homing.html >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > -Original Message- >> > From: Feral Engineer [mailto:theferalengin...@gmail.com] >> > Sent: Sunday, 4 April 2021 1:58 PM >> > To: EMC developers; Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) >> > Subject: [Emc-developers] Home_use_index issue revisited >> > >> > Finally getting back around to messing with this mechanical/prox home >> > issue. See attached video link. I show what it is doing and explain >> what I >> > want it to do. >> > >> > Thanks in advance for your help >> > >> > https://youtu.be/XVz6v2YNXJQ >> > >> > Phil T. >> > The Feral Engineer >> > >> > Check out my LinuxCNC tutorials, machine builds and other antics at >> > www.youtube.com/c/theferalengineer >> > >> > ___ >> > Emc-developers mailing list >> > emc-develop...@lists.sourceforge.net >> > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-developers >> > >> > >> > >> > ___ >> > Emc-users mailing list >> > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net >> > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users >> > >> >> ___ >> Emc-users mailing list >> Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users >> >> ___ >> Emc-users mailing list >> Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users >> > ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] [Emc-developers] Home_use_index issue revisited
That's the thing, though. The behavior is completely arbitrary based on where the machine is powered up. When I use the mechanical switches, it'll find them, back away and zero is right there. Works perfect. As soon as I add the index pulse, it just takes off and goes back to where it came from on startup. It makes no sense to me, especially since I eliminated the prox sensors from being energized until after the mechanical switches were triggered. It's gotta be pulling a value from somewhere. Even the documentation doesn't talk about this weird behavior, considering everything else is set to zero. I'm on my way to go get the information Andy requested. Phil T. The Feral Engineer Check out my LinuxCNC tutorials, machine builds and other antics at www.youtube.com/c/theferalengineer On Sun, Apr 4, 2021, 10:51 AM Scott Harwell via Emc-users < emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net> wrote: > Phil, > I agree with you. > > The one event that scared me the most was setting up a new AB 8400 > retrofit. AB improved the "G" software to go to zero after home > (undocumented).The machine was a P Wolverine with three spindle heads X > 120" Y 50" Z 24" and 40HP. The true thrill of Z axis trying to put the face > of the spindle flat on the table with a test bar in it will stop your > heart.Z home is near the top of Z stroke, and you define it as required. Do > not assume home is zero, it is a preset value from Zero, or it should > be.(Home is where the marker pulse is) > Scott H > > On Sunday, April 4, 2021, 9:08:01 AM CDT, Feral Engineer < > theferalengin...@gmail.com> wrote: > > But home should be referenced from the switch and reset with the proxy as > the index pulse. I don't see this as normal behavior. Homing against the > switch then moving to some arbitrary position defeats the purpose of having > a homing sequence. If you watch my video, "zero" is purely dependent on > where the machine is when you start the software. All of my ini settings > are zero. Between the two reference returns I show in my video, nothing > changed but the position the machine was in when the software was started. > This behavior is not present when only using the mechanical switch. > > Phil T. > The Feral Engineer > > Check out my LinuxCNC tutorials, machine builds and other antics at > www.youtube.com/c/theferalengineer > > On Sun, Apr 4, 2021, 4:45 AM Frank Tkalcevic > wrote: > > > What I'm seeing (and I'm not a linuxcnc expert) looks correct. After the > > homing sequence it jumps to HOME. This is documented here (0.1.3.7) > > http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.4/html/config_ini_homing.html > > > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Feral Engineer [mailto:theferalengin...@gmail.com] > > Sent: Sunday, 4 April 2021 1:58 PM > > To: EMC developers; Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) > > Subject: [Emc-developers] Home_use_index issue revisited > > > > Finally getting back around to messing with this mechanical/prox home > > issue. See attached video link. I show what it is doing and explain what > I > > want it to do. > > > > Thanks in advance for your help > > > > https://youtu.be/XVz6v2YNXJQ > > > > Phil T. > > The Feral Engineer > > > > Check out my LinuxCNC tutorials, machine builds and other antics at > > www.youtube.com/c/theferalengineer > > > > ___ > > Emc-developers mailing list > > emc-develop...@lists.sourceforge.net > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-developers > > > > > > > > ___ > > Emc-users mailing list > > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users > > > > ___ > Emc-users mailing list > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users > > ___ > Emc-users mailing list > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users > ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] [Emc-developers] Home_use_index issue revisited
Sorry Andy, just saw your replies for some reason. I'll go look at my files and let you know. Besides what I'm trying to do with the home switches, everything else is native output from pncconf. Give me a few minutes and I'll go look. Gotta do the Easter thing in a little while. Phil T. The Feral Engineer Check out my LinuxCNC tutorials, machine builds and other antics at www.youtube.com/c/theferalengineer On Sun, Apr 4, 2021, 10:49 AM andy pugh wrote: > On Sun, 4 Apr 2021 at 15:28, Feral Engineer > wrote: > > I'm driving the steppers with the stepgens on the 7i76e, but when the axis > > hits the mechanical switch, it sets the DRO to zero against that, moves > to > > the prox pulse then goes back to the original startup position then sets > > zero back to there... I just don't see a correlation to how it's working > > and it being of any good use to anybody in the same situation. > > > What feeds joint.0.motor-pos-fb ? > > -- > atp > "A motorcycle is a bicycle with a pandemonium attachment and is designed > for the especial use of mechanical geniuses, daredevils and lunatics." > — George Fitch, Atlanta Constitution Newspaper, 1912 > > ___ > Emc-users mailing list > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users > ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] [Emc-developers] Home_use_index issue revisited
I'm driving the steppers with the stepgens on the 7i76e, but when the axis hits the mechanical switch, it sets the DRO to zero against that, moves to the prox pulse then goes back to the original startup position then sets zero back to there... I just don't see a correlation to how it's working and it being of any good use to anybody in the same situation. I turned off home_use_index and used an and2 gate instead, but that's not robust enough for my liking. Way more repeatable, but susceptible to not so good behavior in some cases. Is there a hal command to reset home position? If so, I'll write my own subroutines to make it do what I want. Phil T. The Feral Engineer Check out my LinuxCNC tutorials, machine builds and other antics at www.youtube.com/c/theferalengineer On Sun, Apr 4, 2021, 10:14 AM Peter C. Wallace wrote: > On Sun, 4 Apr 2021, Feral Engineer wrote: > > > Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2021 10:04:29 -0400 > > From: Feral Engineer > > Reply-To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)" > > > > To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)" > > > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] [Emc-developers] Home_use_index issue revisited > > > > But home should be referenced from the switch and reset with the proxy as > > the index pulse. I don't see this as normal behavior. Homing against the > > switch then moving to some arbitrary position defeats the purpose of > having > > a homing sequence. If you watch my video, "zero" is purely dependent on > > where the machine is when you start the software. All of my ini settings > > are zero. Between the two reference returns I show in my video, nothing > > changed but the position the machine was in when the software was > started. > > This behavior is not present when only using the mechanical switch. > > > > Phil T. > > The Feral Engineer > > > I would expect this behaviour if you are using the stepgen feedback > since the stepgen feedback is not cleared by index > > > > > > Check out my LinuxCNC tutorials, machine builds and other antics at > > www.youtube.com/c/theferalengineer > > > > On Sun, Apr 4, 2021, 4:45 AM Frank Tkalcevic < > fr...@franksworkshop.com.au> > > wrote: > > > >> What I'm seeing (and I'm not a linuxcnc expert) looks correct. After > the > >> homing sequence it jumps to HOME. This is documented here (0.1.3.7) > >> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.4/html/config_ini_homing.html > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> -Original Message- > >> From: Feral Engineer [mailto:theferalengin...@gmail.com] > >> Sent: Sunday, 4 April 2021 1:58 PM > >> To: EMC developers; Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) > >> Subject: [Emc-developers] Home_use_index issue revisited > >> > >> Finally getting back around to messing with this mechanical/prox home > >> issue. See attached video link. I show what it is doing and explain > what I > >> want it to do. > >> > >> Thanks in advance for your help > >> > >> https://youtu.be/XVz6v2YNXJQ > >> > >> Phil T. > >> The Feral Engineer > >> > >> Check out my LinuxCNC tutorials, machine builds and other antics at > >> www.youtube.com/c/theferalengineer > >> > >> ___ > >> Emc-developers mailing list > >> emc-develop...@lists.sourceforge.net > >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-developers > >> > >> > >> > >> ___ > >> Emc-users mailing list > >> Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users > >> > > > > ___ > > Emc-users mailing list > > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users > > > > Peter Wallace > Mesa Electronics > > > ___ > Emc-users mailing list > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users > ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] [Emc-developers] Home_use_index issue revisited
But home should be referenced from the switch and reset with the proxy as the index pulse. I don't see this as normal behavior. Homing against the switch then moving to some arbitrary position defeats the purpose of having a homing sequence. If you watch my video, "zero" is purely dependent on where the machine is when you start the software. All of my ini settings are zero. Between the two reference returns I show in my video, nothing changed but the position the machine was in when the software was started. This behavior is not present when only using the mechanical switch. Phil T. The Feral Engineer Check out my LinuxCNC tutorials, machine builds and other antics at www.youtube.com/c/theferalengineer On Sun, Apr 4, 2021, 4:45 AM Frank Tkalcevic wrote: > What I'm seeing (and I'm not a linuxcnc expert) looks correct. After the > homing sequence it jumps to HOME. This is documented here (0.1.3.7) > http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.4/html/config_ini_homing.html > > > > > -Original Message- > From: Feral Engineer [mailto:theferalengin...@gmail.com] > Sent: Sunday, 4 April 2021 1:58 PM > To: EMC developers; Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) > Subject: [Emc-developers] Home_use_index issue revisited > > Finally getting back around to messing with this mechanical/prox home > issue. See attached video link. I show what it is doing and explain what I > want it to do. > > Thanks in advance for your help > > https://youtu.be/XVz6v2YNXJQ > > Phil T. > The Feral Engineer > > Check out my LinuxCNC tutorials, machine builds and other antics at > www.youtube.com/c/theferalengineer > > ___ > Emc-developers mailing list > emc-develop...@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-developers > > > > ___ > Emc-users mailing list > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users > ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
[Emc-users] Home_use_index issue revisited
Finally getting back around to messing with this mechanical/prox home issue. See attached video link. I show what it is doing and explain what I want it to do. Thanks in advance for your help https://youtu.be/XVz6v2YNXJQ Phil T. The Feral Engineer Check out my LinuxCNC tutorials, machine builds and other antics at www.youtube.com/c/theferalengineer ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Heidenhain LS403 scale
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[Emc-users] Heidenhain LS403 scale
Does anyone have a working solution for using Heidenhain LS403 scales with LinuxCNC? They're 2 phase sinusoidal feedback. Trying to connect to a mesa 7i95. Phil T. The Feral Engineer Check out my LinuxCNC tutorials, machine builds and other antics at www.youtube.com/c/theferalengineer ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Probe recommendations.
Hey Ken, he said email him and he'll get you what you're looking for. As I said, wired versions soon to some and i'll be doing a teardown and complete review on the tool setter soon. i...@emgprecision.com Phil T. The Feral Engineer Check out my LinuxCNC tutorials, machine builds and other antics at www.youtube.com/c/theferalengineer On Sun, Mar 14, 2021 at 4:26 PM wrote: > I don't think that I can afford the probe so please don't misrepresent me > as a potential customer. Of course his tool height setter is reasonably > priced. I'm interested in the basic design and accuracy achieved including > lobing errors. Plus, any technical details that he is willing to reveal! > > -Original Message----- > From: Feral Engineer > Sent: March 14, 2021 3:54 PM > To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Probe recommendations. > > I hear ya. I get pissed when I make an expensive bonehead move, also. > > I contacted the mfr and he wants to know what other information you would > like to know, so he can put together a data sheet for you. > > Phil T. > The Feral Engineer > > Check out my LinuxCNC tutorials, machine builds and other antics at > www.youtube.com/c/theferalengineer > > On Sun, Mar 14, 2021, 3:39 PM wrote: > > > Yes, I use standard 4mm screw probes. Perhaps us$50 is "reasonable" > > but I'm just a hobbyist/retiree and I find that breakage due to > > stupidity annoying. I'd rather spend a similar amount on a decent bottle > of wine! > > > > Their probes look gorgeous but technical information on their website > > is sparse. I'm interested in any information on their design and > > particularly, if it is patented, the patent number. I'm intrigued by > > probe designs and have built experimental units using strain gages, > > FSR (Force Sensitive > > Resistors) and... > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Feral Engineer > > Sent: March 14, 2021 3:22 PM > > To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) > > > > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Probe recommendations. > > > > Hey Ken, > > > > I believe so, but I'll find out from the manufacturer to be absolutely > > sure. > > > > I'm reference to your other comment about breaking probe stylii, have > > you checked out fleabay? They seem to have relatively decent priced > > units > > (40-50usd) if your probe is renishaw or compatible. > > > > Phil T. > > The Feral Engineer > > > > Check out my LinuxCNC tutorials, machine builds and other antics at > > www.youtube.com/c/theferalengineer > > > > On Sun, Mar 14, 2021, 3:11 PM wrote: > > > > > Does their probe use the traditional 3-ball/3-groove Renishaw design > > or...? > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: Feral Engineer > > > Sent: March 14, 2021 2:22 PM > > > To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) > > > > > > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Probe recommendations. > > > > > > I have a working relationship with emg precision out of the UK. I > > > will be installing, testing and reviewing one of their ceramic face > > > fixed tool setters on my YouTube channel soon. They just released a > > > line of infrared probes, much like renishaw, marposs, heidenhain, m, > etc. > > > They will be releasing a wired and RF version soon as well. > > > > > > https://www.emgprecision.com/ifi-p4-touch-probe > > > > > > Phil T. > > > The Feral Engineer > > > > > > Check out my LinuxCNC tutorials, machine builds and other antics at > > > www.youtube.com/c/theferalengineer > > > > > > On Sun, Mar 14, 2021, 2:15 PM andy pugh wrote: > > > > > > > On Sun, 14 Mar 2021 at 17:13, Gene Heskett > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > I wonder what the shipping may be, and from where? > > > > > > > > The .by in vers.by and the price in Belarusian Rubles rather > > > > indicates Belarus. > > > > > > > > -- > > > > atp > > > > "A motorcycle is a bicycle with a pandemonium attachment and is > > > > designed for the especial use of mechanical geniuses, daredevils > > > > and lunatics." > > > > — George Fitch, Atlanta Constitution Newspaper, 1912 > > > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > > > Emc-users mailing list > > > > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > > > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/li
Re: [Emc-users] Probe recommendations.
I hear ya. I get pissed when I make an expensive bonehead move, also. I contacted the mfr and he wants to know what other information you would like to know, so he can put together a data sheet for you. Phil T. The Feral Engineer Check out my LinuxCNC tutorials, machine builds and other antics at www.youtube.com/c/theferalengineer On Sun, Mar 14, 2021, 3:39 PM wrote: > Yes, I use standard 4mm screw probes. Perhaps us$50 is "reasonable" but > I'm just a hobbyist/retiree and I find that breakage due to stupidity > annoying. I'd rather spend a similar amount on a decent bottle of wine! > > Their probes look gorgeous but technical information on their website is > sparse. I'm interested in any information on their design and particularly, > if it is patented, the patent number. I'm intrigued by probe designs and > have built experimental units using strain gages, FSR (Force Sensitive > Resistors) and... > > -Original Message- > From: Feral Engineer > Sent: March 14, 2021 3:22 PM > To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Probe recommendations. > > Hey Ken, > > I believe so, but I'll find out from the manufacturer to be absolutely > sure. > > I'm reference to your other comment about breaking probe stylii, have you > checked out fleabay? They seem to have relatively decent priced units > (40-50usd) if your probe is renishaw or compatible. > > Phil T. > The Feral Engineer > > Check out my LinuxCNC tutorials, machine builds and other antics at > www.youtube.com/c/theferalengineer > > On Sun, Mar 14, 2021, 3:11 PM wrote: > > > Does their probe use the traditional 3-ball/3-groove Renishaw design > or...? > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Feral Engineer > > Sent: March 14, 2021 2:22 PM > > To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) > > > > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Probe recommendations. > > > > I have a working relationship with emg precision out of the UK. I will > > be installing, testing and reviewing one of their ceramic face fixed > > tool setters on my YouTube channel soon. They just released a line of > > infrared probes, much like renishaw, marposs, heidenhain, m, etc. > > They will be releasing a wired and RF version soon as well. > > > > https://www.emgprecision.com/ifi-p4-touch-probe > > > > Phil T. > > The Feral Engineer > > > > Check out my LinuxCNC tutorials, machine builds and other antics at > > www.youtube.com/c/theferalengineer > > > > On Sun, Mar 14, 2021, 2:15 PM andy pugh wrote: > > > > > On Sun, 14 Mar 2021 at 17:13, Gene Heskett > wrote: > > > > > > > I wonder what the shipping may be, and from where? > > > > > > The .by in vers.by and the price in Belarusian Rubles rather > > > indicates Belarus. > > > > > > -- > > > atp > > > "A motorcycle is a bicycle with a pandemonium attachment and is > > > designed for the especial use of mechanical geniuses, daredevils and > > > lunatics." > > > — George Fitch, Atlanta Constitution Newspaper, 1912 > > > > > > > > > ___ > > > Emc-users mailing list > > > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users > > > > > > > ___ > > Emc-users mailing list > > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users > > > > > > > > ___ > > Emc-users mailing list > > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users > > > > ___ > Emc-users mailing list > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users > > > > ___ > Emc-users mailing list > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users > ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Probe recommendations.
Hey Ken, I believe so, but I'll find out from the manufacturer to be absolutely sure. I'm reference to your other comment about breaking probe stylii, have you checked out fleabay? They seem to have relatively decent priced units (40-50usd) if your probe is renishaw or compatible. Phil T. The Feral Engineer Check out my LinuxCNC tutorials, machine builds and other antics at www.youtube.com/c/theferalengineer On Sun, Mar 14, 2021, 3:11 PM wrote: > Does their probe use the traditional 3-ball/3-groove Renishaw design or...? > > -Original Message- > From: Feral Engineer > Sent: March 14, 2021 2:22 PM > To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Probe recommendations. > > I have a working relationship with emg precision out of the UK. I will be > installing, testing and reviewing one of their ceramic face fixed tool > setters on my YouTube channel soon. They just released a line of infrared > probes, much like renishaw, marposs, heidenhain, m, etc. They will be > releasing a wired and RF version soon as well. > > https://www.emgprecision.com/ifi-p4-touch-probe > > Phil T. > The Feral Engineer > > Check out my LinuxCNC tutorials, machine builds and other antics at > www.youtube.com/c/theferalengineer > > On Sun, Mar 14, 2021, 2:15 PM andy pugh wrote: > > > On Sun, 14 Mar 2021 at 17:13, Gene Heskett wrote: > > > > > I wonder what the shipping may be, and from where? > > > > The .by in vers.by and the price in Belarusian Rubles rather indicates > > Belarus. > > > > -- > > atp > > "A motorcycle is a bicycle with a pandemonium attachment and is > > designed for the especial use of mechanical geniuses, daredevils and > > lunatics." > > — George Fitch, Atlanta Constitution Newspaper, 1912 > > > > > > ___ > > Emc-users mailing list > > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users > > > > ___ > Emc-users mailing list > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users > > > > ___ > Emc-users mailing list > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users > ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Probe recommendations.
I have a working relationship with emg precision out of the UK. I will be installing, testing and reviewing one of their ceramic face fixed tool setters on my YouTube channel soon. They just released a line of infrared probes, much like renishaw, marposs, heidenhain, m, etc. They will be releasing a wired and RF version soon as well. https://www.emgprecision.com/ifi-p4-touch-probe Phil T. The Feral Engineer Check out my LinuxCNC tutorials, machine builds and other antics at www.youtube.com/c/theferalengineer On Sun, Mar 14, 2021, 2:15 PM andy pugh wrote: > On Sun, 14 Mar 2021 at 17:13, Gene Heskett wrote: > > > I wonder what the shipping may be, and from where? > > The .by in vers.by and the price in Belarusian Rubles rather indicates > Belarus. > > -- > atp > "A motorcycle is a bicycle with a pandemonium attachment and is > designed for the especial use of mechanical geniuses, daredevils and > lunatics." > — George Fitch, Atlanta Constitution Newspaper, 1912 > > > ___ > Emc-users mailing list > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users > ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Gear cutting setup on low-cost HF mill??
Oohh that looks like fun! Phil T. The Feral Engineer Check out my LinuxCNC tutorials, machine builds and other antics at www.youtube.com/c/theferalengineer On Thu, Mar 11, 2021, 2:18 PM andy pugh wrote: > On Thu, 11 Mar 2021 at 19:11, Feral Engineer > wrote: > > > > As a side note, fanuc, Mitsubishi and the other big names have a > dedicated > > hobbing function that synchronizes the linear and rotary axis based on > > number of teeth, module, pitch diameter, tooth angle... Bunch of factors. > > The LinuxCNC version is a bit more homespun: > http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Hobbing > > -- > atp > "A motorcycle is a bicycle with a pandemonium attachment and is > designed for the especial use of mechanical geniuses, daredevils and > lunatics." > — George Fitch, Atlanta Constitution Newspaper, 1912 > > > ___ > Emc-users mailing list > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users > ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Gear cutting setup on low-cost HF mill??
As a side note, fanuc, Mitsubishi and the other big names have a dedicated hobbing function that synchronizes the linear and rotary axis based on number of teeth, module, pitch diameter, tooth angle... Bunch of factors. I can upload documentation on these functions if anyone wants to read about it but can't supply the actual logic, it's embedded in the macro executor. Phil T. The Feral Engineer Check out my LinuxCNC tutorials, machine builds and other antics at www.youtube.com/c/theferalengineer On Thu, Mar 11, 2021, 1:31 AM Chris Albertson wrote: > I'm looking for advice on gear cutting. I've got a low-end harbor freight > mill with a 4th axis added (actually a rotary table) and I want to cut some > module 0.5 spur gears. I know that the smaller the gear the more precision > is required.These need to be as strong as possible too. They need to > survive impact loads. What's the best kind of steel to buy that gives a > combination of machinability on a small mill and strength. I'll buy either > a set of involute cutters or a commercially made hob in 0.5 size. > > Given my setup, a HF mill and manual (non-CNC) HF mini lathe which would > have the best result, a hob or an involute cutter? > > The really hard part that I don't know how to do is a ring gear. I can't > figure out how to cut internal teeth. I might just buy these if they > can't be machined. > > If this works I need about 60 total gears plus all the ones I used for > testing > > Yes I can 3D print these but plastic would not be strong enough. > > -- > > Chris Albertson > Redondo Beach, California > > ___ > Emc-users mailing list > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users > ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Gear cutting setup on low-cost HF mill??
Not sure if anyone mentioned, spiral hobs will not work unless your hob can be tilted to the required angle of the hob cutter. Even for straight teeth, it's at least 1.5°. Usually, I do this with a dedicated live tool that has an adjustable angle or a mill turn machine (DMG Mori NT/NTX series machine). You can get a cutter made up to cut the profile, but it's one tooth at a time and very slow. Phil T. The Feral Engineer Check out my LinuxCNC tutorials, machine builds and other antics at www.youtube.com/c/theferalengineer On Thu, Mar 11, 2021, 1:31 AM Chris Albertson wrote: > I'm looking for advice on gear cutting. I've got a low-end harbor freight > mill with a 4th axis added (actually a rotary table) and I want to cut some > module 0.5 spur gears. I know that the smaller the gear the more precision > is required.These need to be as strong as possible too. They need to > survive impact loads. What's the best kind of steel to buy that gives a > combination of machinability on a small mill and strength. I'll buy either > a set of involute cutters or a commercially made hob in 0.5 size. > > Given my setup, a HF mill and manual (non-CNC) HF mini lathe which would > have the best result, a hob or an involute cutter? > > The really hard part that I don't know how to do is a ring gear. I can't > figure out how to cut internal teeth. I might just buy these if they > can't be machined. > > If this works I need about 60 total gears plus all the ones I used for > testing > > Yes I can 3D print these but plastic would not be strong enough. > > -- > > Chris Albertson > Redondo Beach, California > > ___ > Emc-users mailing list > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users > ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] isolcpus?
I usually change isolcpus in my grub file under /etc/default. You can use sudo nano /etc/default/grub, ctrl+s to save, ctrl+x to close, then accept the change with sudo update-grub Phil T. The Feral Engineer Check out my LinuxCNC tutorials, machine builds and other antics at www.youtube.com/c/theferalengineer On Sun, Mar 7, 2021, 1:46 PM Mark Johnsen wrote: > On Sun, Mar 7, 2021 at 7:25 AM Gene Heskett wrote: > > > On Sunday 07 March 2021 06:58:01 Gene Heskett wrote: > > > > > > > > It takes at least 5 seconds for it to get up to search speed, and > > > > another 5 seconds to get back to a stop after the home switch has > > > > been found, coasting 20-25 degrees getting stopped, then it goes > > > > into latch speed and takes another minute to get back to the switch > > > > edge. And theres a random offset being applied to the home position > > > > in the linuxcnc dro that does not exist > > > > I don't know the inner workings of the LinuxCNC home switch routine as my > machine doesn't have a home switch (someday hopefully). However, it sounds > like an acceleration/deceleration setting for the homing routine is too > low. At least that's what I would look at with an off-the-shelf motion > system. > > This isn't related in terms of code to LinuxCNC, but in general > motion control practice: > For an old Parker compumotor 6k2 motion controller, the homing routines had > their own Accel, decel, home to index (was it John D w/ the 2 mechanical > switches), and other routines such as approach from CW or CCW, go past and > slew back slowly, etc... I would look at that rather than the linux setup > (isolcpus, latency, etc). But, I'm not an expert on this.. > > Mark > > ___ > Emc-users mailing list > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users > ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
