Re: [e-users] Enlightenment is Ugly and Awful

2014-06-12 Thread Markus Törnqvist
On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 12:31:29PM -0700, mk wrote: Think of this: why matadors use red (orange is basically red a bit of yellow added) to excite bulls? Why red is used to mark whorehouses? These colors are extremely disturbing psychologically speaking. As a piece of trivia, the Helsinki

Re: [e-users] Enlightenment is Ugly and Awful

2014-06-12 Thread The Rasterman
On Thu, 12 Jun 2014 10:09:22 +0300 Markus Törnqvist m...@nysv.org said: On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 12:31:29PM -0700, mk wrote: Think of this: why matadors use red (orange is basically red a bit of yellow added) to excite bulls? Why red is used to mark whorehouses? These colors are extremely

Re: [e-users] Enlightenment is Ugly and Awful

2014-06-12 Thread Alberto Verdoja
I agree. I've spend one year of free time (not all my free time, but a good part) to create Radiance and another year for the super green and orange Bodhi Forum Theme. I haven't used a lot of GUI, anyway. Good luck! :) 2014-06-12 10:45 GMT+02:00 Carsten Haitzler ras...@rasterman.com: On Thu,

Re: [e-users] Enlightenment is Ugly and Awful

2014-06-11 Thread Martin Koelewijn
@raster: I'm curious about the gtkrc you made. The attachment, as usual, failed to arrive at the mailing list. Could you paste it somewhere and share the link? Thanks. M On Wed, Jun 11, 2014 at 7:38 AM, Carsten Haitzler ras...@rasterman.com wrote: On Wed, 11 Jun 2014 00:22:08 -0500 Jeff

Re: [e-users] Enlightenment is Ugly and Awful

2014-06-11 Thread Pierre Couderc
On 06/11/2014 05:20 AM, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: On Tue, 10 Jun 2014 09:38:20 -0500 Jeff Hoogland jeffhoogl...@linux.com said: now the theme is dark (i chose dark greys so i could have some contrast and difference between elements than pure black), with blue hilights. blue

Re: [e-users] Enlightenment is Ugly and Awful

2014-06-11 Thread The Rasterman
On Wed, 11 Jun 2014 09:22:00 +0200 Martin Koelewijn martinkoelew...@gmail.com said: @raster: I'm curious about the gtkrc you made. The attachment, as usual, failed to arrive at the mailing list. Could you paste it somewhere and share the link? Thanks.

Re: [e-users] Enlightenment is Ugly and Awful

2014-06-11 Thread The Rasterman
On Wed, 11 Jun 2014 10:17:07 +0200 Pierre Couderc pie...@couderc.eu said: On 06/11/2014 05:20 AM, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: On Tue, 10 Jun 2014 09:38:20 -0500 Jeff Hoogland jeffhoogl...@linux.com said: now the theme is dark (i chose dark greys so i could have some

Re: [e-users] Enlightenment is Ugly and Awful

2014-06-11 Thread Alberto Verdoja
Hi to all, I have created the E19 Theme Radiance and I hope to give my point of view at this useful discussion and let you explain the goal of my theme. I'm sorry if the mail is long, please read all or jump on the end of the mail to a short version of my point of view :D Thanks for all your

Re: [e-users] Enlightenment is Ugly and Awful

2014-06-11 Thread Pierre Couderc
On 06/11/2014 12:16 PM, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: On Wed, 11 Jun 2014 10:17:07 +0200 Pierre Couderc pie...@couderc.eu said: On 06/11/2014 05:20 AM, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: On Tue, 10 Jun 2014 09:38:20 -0500 Jeff Hoogland jeffhoogl...@linux.com said: now the

Re: [e-users] Enlightenment is Ugly and Awful

2014-06-11 Thread Boris Faure
On 14-06-11 14:06, Pierre Couderc wrote: On 06/11/2014 12:16 PM, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: On Wed, 11 Jun 2014 10:17:07 +0200 Pierre Couderc pie...@couderc.eu said: On 06/11/2014 05:20 AM, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: On Tue, 10 Jun 2014 09:38:20 -0500 Jeff

Re: [e-users] Enlightenment is Ugly and Awful

2014-06-11 Thread Pierre Couderc
Maybe. But the idea of default style seems to me sobriety... It comes without wallpaper. On 06/11/2014 03:07 PM, Boris Faure wrote: On 14-06-11 14:06, Pierre Couderc wrote: On 06/11/2014 12:16 PM, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: On Wed, 11 Jun 2014 10:17:07 +0200 Pierre Couderc

Re: [e-users] Enlightenment is Ugly and Awful

2014-06-11 Thread The Rasterman
On Wed, 11 Jun 2014 13:36:24 +0200 Alberto Verdoja a.verd...@gmail.com said: Hi to all, I have created the E19 Theme Radiance and I hope to give my point of view at this useful discussion and let you explain the goal of my theme. I'm sorry if the mail is long, please read all or jump on the

Re: [e-users] Enlightenment is Ugly and Awful

2014-06-11 Thread Steven@e
happy user here :) On Thu, Jun 12, 2014 at 12:44 AM, Carsten Haitzler ras...@rasterman.com wrote: On Wed, 11 Jun 2014 13:36:24 +0200 Alberto Verdoja a.verd...@gmail.com said: Hi to all, I have created the E19 Theme Radiance and I hope to give my point of view at this useful discussion and

Re: [e-users] Enlightenment is Ugly and Awful

2014-06-11 Thread The Rasterman
On Thu, 12 Jun 2014 02:19:06 +0200 Albi a.verd...@gmail.com said: i don't remember it - what did it do? There was a color class named focus that is also present on the color dialog and on e19 is not present anymore. On 12 giugno 2014 00:44:20 CEST, Carsten Haitzler ras...@rasterman.com

[e-users] Enlightenment is Ugly and Awful

2014-06-10 Thread Jeff Hoogland
Is basically the feedback I get from non-E users most times. Thoughts on this? Recent example - http://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/27qt7k/bodhi_linux_300_rc1_released_ubuntu_1404_base/ -- ~Jeff Hoogland http://jeffhoogland.com/ Thoughts on Technology http://jeffhoogland.blogspot.com/, Tech

Re: [e-users] Enlightenment is Ugly and Awful

2014-06-10 Thread David Seikel
On Tue, 10 Jun 2014 09:38:20 -0500 Jeff Hoogland jeffhoogl...@linux.com wrote: Is basically the feedback I get from non-E users most times. Thoughts on this? Recent example - http://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/27qt7k/bodhi_linux_300_rc1_released_ubuntu_1404_base/ Tell the people that

Re: [e-users] Enlightenment is Ugly and Awful

2014-06-10 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 10/06/2014 16:38, Jeff Hoogland wrote: Is basically the feedback I get from non-E users most times. Thoughts on this? Recent example - http://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/27qt7k/bodhi_linux_300_rc1_released_ubuntu_1404_base/ Jeff, I feel the same way as those posters, just

Re: [e-users] Enlightenment is Ugly and Awful

2014-06-10 Thread William
First a disclaimer: I Love Enlightenment and use it as my main workstation OS. While I only started using it full-time last year, I have been following it's development since 1997. As things stand, I would not want to use another system. The ugly and awful truth from my perspective: yes,

Re: [e-users] Enlightenment is Ugly and Awful

2014-06-10 Thread Ondřej Svoboda
Jeff, you are right that those guys do not really say anything helpful. I am using the default theme and I find it both beautiful and usable, as well as Enlightenment as a whole. It is very carefully engineered and not getting in the way. To me, the theme is classic, yet very polished,

Re: [e-users] Enlightenment is Ugly and Awful

2014-06-10 Thread Martin Koelewijn
Ugly: matter of taste. I've always liked the default themes a lot, and some others in the old pre-E17 days. The color variations on the old bw theme not so much. Inconsistency with gtk themes is the problem for me. It's very hard to find a good dark gtk theme, that doesn't mess up web browsing in

Re: [e-users] Enlightenment is Ugly and Awful

2014-06-10 Thread Vinícius dos Santos Oliveira
2014-06-10 11:38 GMT-03:00 Jeff Hoogland jeffhoogl...@linux.com: Thoughts on this? It's a matter of taste. Maybe if developers followed this user's advices, we'd have even more hateful comments on this same thread. My preferred E theme was the grunge theme, but E breaks compat with themes

Re: [e-users] Enlightenment is Ugly and Awful

2014-06-10 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 10/06/2014 17:34, William wrote: I have long played with the thought that perhaps there should be a secondary, not so super-scary version of Enlightenment for regular Linux users. This would have to have a default interface with highly refined aesthetics and functional defaults. It

Re: [e-users] Enlightenment is Ugly and Awful

2014-06-10 Thread William
On 06/10/2014 11:58 AM, Alan McKinnon wrote: On 10/06/2014 17:34, William wrote: I have long played with the thought that perhaps there should be a secondary, not so super-scary version of Enlightenment for regular Linux users. This would have to have a default interface with highly refined

Re: [e-users] Enlightenment is Ugly and Awful

2014-06-10 Thread Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri
everybody know it is ugly :-D what's the news? On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 11:38 AM, Jeff Hoogland jeffhoogl...@linux.com wrote: Is basically the feedback I get from non-E users most times. Thoughts on this? Recent example -

Re: [e-users] Enlightenment is Ugly and Awful

2014-06-10 Thread Yomi Ogunwumi
I don't worry too much about the Settings Panel horror, because at some point in the future this will be fixed, apparently. ¹ I also don't play around with Settings too much because I get lost. 1 : https://phab.enlightenment.org/T553 -*Yomi* On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 11:34 AM, William

Re: [e-users] Enlightenment is Ugly and Awful

2014-06-10 Thread mk
Jeff, Red, orange, brown are not suitable colors for desktop environment. I suspect you used orange as a menu highlight to symbolically indicate that Bodhi is an ubuntu derivative. Not a good choice. Take it out. Mark Shuttleworth is an artistic illiterate. Think of this: why matadors use

Re: [e-users] Enlightenment is Ugly and Awful

2014-06-10 Thread Fan Cris
people complain anyway. if is new then the old was better if keep the way is not modern/ugly/... look at firefox/opera/kde/gnome/... full with heaters :) i dont like your theme but im sure others will like it, keep your way :) On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 10:31 PM, mk joz_...@yahoo.ca wrote: Jeff,

Re: [e-users] Enlightenment is Ugly and Awful

2014-06-10 Thread Christopher Barry
Agreed. Bhodi's default theme is painful to look at. Read some Johannes Itten, like 'elements of color'. On Jun 10, 2014 3:35 PM, mk joz_...@yahoo.ca wrote: Jeff, Red, orange, brown are not suitable colors for desktop environment. I suspect you used orange as a menu highlight to symbolically

Re: [e-users] Enlightenment is Ugly and Awful

2014-06-10 Thread Jeff Hoogland
Chris, These same people complain about the default E theme and the dozens of E17 themes out there. On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 4:08 PM, Christopher Barry christopher.r.ba...@gmail.com wrote: Agreed. Bhodi's default theme is painful to look at. Read some Johannes Itten, like 'elements of

Re: [e-users] Enlightenment is Ugly and Awful

2014-06-10 Thread Jeff Hoogland
It is just beyond frustrating that even here people are just linking abstract ideas. What is a cut and dry solution? Give me hexcodes/RBG values for things that are suppose to look modern and mesh well. I'm not an artist and I don't claim to be. I am just looking for reasonable feedback that

Re: [e-users] Enlightenment is Ugly and Awful

2014-06-10 Thread Vinícius dos Santos Oliveira
2014-06-10 18:33 GMT-03:00 Jeff Hoogland jeffhoogl...@linux.com: It is just beyond frustrating that even here people are just linking abstract ideas. What is a cut and dry solution? Give me hexcodes/RBG values for things that are suppose to look modern and mesh well. What about using

Re: [e-users] Enlightenment is Ugly and Awful

2014-06-10 Thread meine
Is basically the feedback I get from non-E users most times. Thoughts on this? lots of people still don't understand that you are _not_ forced to drive a Trabant/Volkswagen/Opel/stupid car for the rest of your life if you don't want to. fancy a Viper, Ferrari, Tesla, Dacia or 2CV? be our

Re: [e-users] Enlightenment is Ugly and Awful

2014-06-10 Thread William
While I admit that I never installed any, all of the e17 themes strike me as highly individualistic, rather than something I would associate with mass appeal. It is just beyond frustrating that even here people are just linking abstract ideas. What is a cut and dry solution? Give me

Re: [e-users] Enlightenment is Ugly and Awful

2014-06-10 Thread William
the beauty of Linux is that you can change distro, desktop environment or/and window manager. and if you still don't like it, you can build your own theme or get the source code and make it the way you like it best. at no cost, without loss of data or productivity. This is the sort of

Re: [e-users] Enlightenment is Ugly and Awful

2014-06-10 Thread The Rasterman
On Tue, 10 Jun 2014 09:38:20 -0500 Jeff Hoogland jeffhoogl...@linux.com said: i'm going to respond here and include some stuff put into the thread so far. before i do that note that several efl devs you'd want to talk to are not subscribed to this mailing list, so expect you are seeing a subset

Re: [e-users] Enlightenment is Ugly and Awful

2014-06-10 Thread Jeff Hoogland
They aren't just talking about the Bodhi theme. They are talking about E in general. That web update thread goes back to a point where we don't have a default Bodhi theme - we have a selection of themes at startup which includes your dark default theme. What doesn't look consistent and/or

Re: [e-users] Enlightenment is Ugly and Awful

2014-06-10 Thread The Rasterman
On Wed, 11 Jun 2014 00:22:08 -0500 Jeff Hoogland jeffhoogl...@linux.com said: They aren't just talking about the Bodhi theme. They are talking about E in general. i read the thread - the reddit one, and they are. when they are specific: Looks like a baby took a shit on your screen as you were