Re: [Mozilla Enterprise] Server delivers old versions
ESR download page should provide what it does advertise, and certainly not "silently" provide another version. We would like to find links to whatever version we require independently from the OS/Browser we are using. Thank you. Didier DELVAUX -Original Message- From: Enterprise [mailto:enterprise-boun...@mozilla.org] On Behalf Of Timo Pietilä Sent: mercredi 21 septembre 2016 12:43 To: Sylvestre Ledru; Jaroslav Uher; Enterprise@mozilla.org Subject: Re: [Mozilla Enterprise] Server delivers old versions On 21.9.2016 12:13, Sylvestre Ledru wrote: > > > Le 21/09/2016 à 11:09, Jaroslav Uher a écrit : >> I agree with disabling. >> >> @Sylvestre >> btw it is improperly implemented feature, I am on win XP SP2, which >> is supported for Firefox 45 line. Users like me are not able to >> simply found and install latest esr release. > If I remember correctly, we propose this version because sha-1 is > deprecated and 45 cannot be installed directly. > The idea is to give you 38 and you will be updated to 45. > > If the 45 binary works out of the box on XP SP2, we can have the > discussion on disabling that (don't hesitate to report a bug about that). Point is that it doesn't matter if binary works directly on XP SP2. You are downloading a ESR which is intended for corporations and for distribution to large amount of computers. I could be downloading windows binary with Linux and that wouldn't work for sure. Or I could use my android phone with google drive for windows binary. That check in that page is just pointless. (added Enterprise@mozilla.org for discussion). Timo Pietilä ___ Enterprise mailing list Enterprise@mozilla.org https://mail.mozilla.org/listinfo/enterprise To unsubscribe from this list, please visit https://mail.mozilla.org/listinfo/enterprise or send an email to enterprise-requ...@mozilla.org with a subject of "unsubscribe" ___ Enterprise mailing list Enterprise@mozilla.org https://mail.mozilla.org/listinfo/enterprise To unsubscribe from this list, please visit https://mail.mozilla.org/listinfo/enterprise or send an email to enterprise-requ...@mozilla.org with a subject of "unsubscribe"
Re: [Mozilla Enterprise] Server delivers old versions
Paul, I'm less optimistic. i'd say "helpful"* features provide at most 50% benefit. * where "helpful" is a.k.a. "dumbification" (IMHO, if you're going to dumbify an interface, PLEASE provide an entire obvious mechanism to bypass such dumbification, like, "CLICK HERE IF YOU AREN'T STUPID" (). I find doing my job as a sysadmin is getting harder all the time due to the focus on providing end-user hand-holding and forgetting to support professional users.) Anyway, i'm including my bash script here. I run it manually, but you could cronify it. I focus only on linux amd64 for this function, but the script allows you to call it with overrides, or replace the target OS and arch. (i should add pulling down checksums, too, but usually checksums are only really useful for security and if you get them from the same place you get the binaries... (oops). I put the integrity check (success or not) for the download into the 'curl' exit code. --stephen On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 11:08 AM, Paul Kosinski wrote: > I have gotten the impression, over the last dozen years, that many > facilities that are intended to be helpful for naive users are helpful - > 95% of the time. The other 5% of the time they make accomplishing a less > naive task more difficult (or occasionally impossible). > > Since ESR installers are presumably not naive, and since ESR is meant > for site-wide deployment, why is this sort of "help" even considered? > > What I use to download Firefox ESR is a BASH script which takes the > version number and then downloads all the current language-specific > ESRs (Linux and Windows, 32-bit and 64-bit), plus the SHA512 checksum > files from "https://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/releases/"; > into a standard place, renaming the files a bit to "clean them up". > Then I run a related script to verify the checksums. (I also do the > equivalent for new Thunderbird versions, although its ESR is no more.) > > I can provide these scripts if anyone is interested. (I would imagine > they could serve as models for Windows PowerShell scripts as well.) > > > > On Wed, 21 Sep 2016 13:43:07 +0300 > Timo Pietilä wrote: > > > On 21.9.2016 12:13, Sylvestre Ledru wrote: > > > > > > > > > Le 21/09/2016 à 11:09, Jaroslav Uher a écrit : > > >> I agree with disabling. > > >> > > >> @Sylvestre > > >> btw it is improperly implemented feature, I am on win XP SP2, > > >> which is supported for Firefox 45 line. Users like me are not able > > >> to simply found and install latest esr release. > > > If I remember correctly, we propose this version because sha-1 is > > > deprecated and 45 cannot be installed directly. > > > The idea is to give you 38 and you will be updated to 45. > > > > > > If the 45 binary works out of the box on XP SP2, we can have the > > > discussion on disabling that (don't hesitate to report a bug about > > > that). > > > > Point is that it doesn't matter if binary works directly on XP SP2. > > You are downloading a ESR which is intended for corporations and for > > distribution to large amount of computers. > > > > I could be downloading windows binary with Linux and that wouldn't > > work for sure. Or I could use my android phone with google drive for > > windows binary. That check in that page is just pointless. > > > > (added Enterprise@mozilla.org for discussion). > > > > Timo Pietilä > ___ > Enterprise mailing list > Enterprise@mozilla.org > https://mail.mozilla.org/listinfo/enterprise > > To unsubscribe from this list, please visit https://mail.mozilla.org/ > listinfo/enterprise or send an email to enterprise-requ...@mozilla.org > with a subject of "unsubscribe" > -- Stephen Dowdy - Systems Administrator - NCAR/RAL 303.497.2869 - sdo...@ucar.edu- http://www.ral.ucar.edu/~sdowdy/ get-mozapps.sh Description: Bourne shell script ___ Enterprise mailing list Enterprise@mozilla.org https://mail.mozilla.org/listinfo/enterprise To unsubscribe from this list, please visit https://mail.mozilla.org/listinfo/enterprise or send an email to enterprise-requ...@mozilla.org with a subject of "unsubscribe"
Re: [Mozilla Enterprise] Server delivers old versions
I have gotten the impression, over the last dozen years, that many facilities that are intended to be helpful for naive users are helpful - 95% of the time. The other 5% of the time they make accomplishing a less naive task more difficult (or occasionally impossible). Since ESR installers are presumably not naive, and since ESR is meant for site-wide deployment, why is this sort of "help" even considered? What I use to download Firefox ESR is a BASH script which takes the version number and then downloads all the current language-specific ESRs (Linux and Windows, 32-bit and 64-bit), plus the SHA512 checksum files from "https://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/releases/"; into a standard place, renaming the files a bit to "clean them up". Then I run a related script to verify the checksums. (I also do the equivalent for new Thunderbird versions, although its ESR is no more.) I can provide these scripts if anyone is interested. (I would imagine they could serve as models for Windows PowerShell scripts as well.) On Wed, 21 Sep 2016 13:43:07 +0300 Timo Pietilä wrote: > On 21.9.2016 12:13, Sylvestre Ledru wrote: > > > > > > Le 21/09/2016 à 11:09, Jaroslav Uher a écrit : > >> I agree with disabling. > >> > >> @Sylvestre > >> btw it is improperly implemented feature, I am on win XP SP2, > >> which is supported for Firefox 45 line. Users like me are not able > >> to simply found and install latest esr release. > > If I remember correctly, we propose this version because sha-1 is > > deprecated and 45 cannot be installed directly. > > The idea is to give you 38 and you will be updated to 45. > > > > If the 45 binary works out of the box on XP SP2, we can have the > > discussion on disabling that (don't hesitate to report a bug about > > that). > > Point is that it doesn't matter if binary works directly on XP SP2. > You are downloading a ESR which is intended for corporations and for > distribution to large amount of computers. > > I could be downloading windows binary with Linux and that wouldn't > work for sure. Or I could use my android phone with google drive for > windows binary. That check in that page is just pointless. > > (added Enterprise@mozilla.org for discussion). > > Timo Pietilä ___ Enterprise mailing list Enterprise@mozilla.org https://mail.mozilla.org/listinfo/enterprise To unsubscribe from this list, please visit https://mail.mozilla.org/listinfo/enterprise or send an email to enterprise-requ...@mozilla.org with a subject of "unsubscribe"
Re: [Mozilla Enterprise] Server delivers old versions
I have gotten the impression, over the last dozen years, that many facilities that are intended to be helpful for naive users are helpful - 95% of the time. The other 5% of the time they make accomplishing a less naive task more difficult (or occasionally impossible). Since ESR installers are presumably not naive, and since ESR is meant for site-wide deployment, why is this sort of "help" even considered? What I use to download Firefox ESR is a BASH script which takes the version number and then downloads all the current language-specific ESRs (Linux and Windows, 32-bit and 64-bit), plus the SHA512 checksum files from "https://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/releases/"; into a standard place, renaming the files a bit to "clean them up". Then I run a related script to verify the checksums. (I also do the equivalent for new Thunderbird versions, although its ESR is no more.) I can provide these scripts if anyone is interested. (I would imagine they could serve as models for Windows PowerShell scripts as well.) On Wed, 21 Sep 2016 13:43:07 +0300 Timo Pietilä wrote: > On 21.9.2016 12:13, Sylvestre Ledru wrote: > > > > > > Le 21/09/2016 à 11:09, Jaroslav Uher a écrit : > >> I agree with disabling. > >> > >> @Sylvestre > >> btw it is improperly implemented feature, I am on win XP SP2, > >> which is supported for Firefox 45 line. Users like me are not able > >> to simply found and install latest esr release. > > If I remember correctly, we propose this version because sha-1 is > > deprecated and 45 cannot be installed directly. > > The idea is to give you 38 and you will be updated to 45. > > > > If the 45 binary works out of the box on XP SP2, we can have the > > discussion on disabling that (don't hesitate to report a bug about > > that). > > Point is that it doesn't matter if binary works directly on XP SP2. > You are downloading a ESR which is intended for corporations and for > distribution to large amount of computers. > > I could be downloading windows binary with Linux and that wouldn't > work for sure. Or I could use my android phone with google drive for > windows binary. That check in that page is just pointless. > > (added Enterprise@mozilla.org for discussion). > > Timo Pietilä ___ Enterprise mailing list Enterprise@mozilla.org https://mail.mozilla.org/listinfo/enterprise To unsubscribe from this list, please visit https://mail.mozilla.org/listinfo/enterprise or send an email to enterprise-requ...@mozilla.org with a subject of "unsubscribe"
Re: [Mozilla Enterprise] Server delivers old versions
On 21.9.2016 12:13, Sylvestre Ledru wrote: Le 21/09/2016 à 11:09, Jaroslav Uher a écrit : I agree with disabling. @Sylvestre btw it is improperly implemented feature, I am on win XP SP2, which is supported for Firefox 45 line. Users like me are not able to simply found and install latest esr release. If I remember correctly, we propose this version because sha-1 is deprecated and 45 cannot be installed directly. The idea is to give you 38 and you will be updated to 45. If the 45 binary works out of the box on XP SP2, we can have the discussion on disabling that (don't hesitate to report a bug about that). Point is that it doesn't matter if binary works directly on XP SP2. You are downloading a ESR which is intended for corporations and for distribution to large amount of computers. I could be downloading windows binary with Linux and that wouldn't work for sure. Or I could use my android phone with google drive for windows binary. That check in that page is just pointless. (added Enterprise@mozilla.org for discussion). Timo Pietilä ___ Enterprise mailing list Enterprise@mozilla.org https://mail.mozilla.org/listinfo/enterprise To unsubscribe from this list, please visit https://mail.mozilla.org/listinfo/enterprise or send an email to enterprise-requ...@mozilla.org with a subject of "unsubscribe"
Re: [Mozilla Enterprise] Server delivers old versions
I agree with disabling. @Sylvestre btw it is improperly implemented feature, I am on win XP SP2, which is supported for Firefox 45 line. Users like me are not able to simply found and install latest esr release. Jaroslav Uher "Enterprise" napsal dne 21.09.2016 10:09:50: > Od: Timo Pietilä > Komu: enterprise@mozilla.org > Datum: 21.09.2016 10:10 > Předmět: Re: [Mozilla Enterprise] Server delivers old versions > Odeslal: "Enterprise" > > On 21.9.2016 11:03, Klaus Hartnegg wrote: > > Am 21.09.2016 um 08:56 schrieb Jaroslav Uher: > >> Link on page https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/organizations/all.html > >> for my localization (czech) point to > >> https://download.mozilla.org/?product=firefox-45.4.0esr-SSL&os=win&lang=cs > >> > >> , but after clicking i get "Firefox Setup 38.5.1esr.exe" from > >> https://download-installer.cdn.mozilla.net (which is really 38 version) > > > > This "feature" is caused by their server trying to interpret your > > operating system, and delivering old versions when it deems your OS > > incompatible with the latest version. > > That feature should be disabled for that page. It shouldn't matter if I > run my own OS that runs only my own programs when I want to download a > ESR for later deployment. > > Timo Pietilä > ___ > Enterprise mailing list > Enterprise@mozilla.org > https://mail.mozilla.org/listinfo/enterprise > > To unsubscribe from this list, please visit https:// > mail.mozilla.org/listinfo/enterprise or send an email to enterprise- > requ...@mozilla.org with a subject of "unsubscribe" > ___ Enterprise mailing list Enterprise@mozilla.org https://mail.mozilla.org/listinfo/enterprise To unsubscribe from this list, please visit https://mail.mozilla.org/listinfo/enterprise or send an email to enterprise-requ...@mozilla.org with a subject of "unsubscribe"
Re: [Mozilla Enterprise] Server delivers old versions
On 21.9.2016 11:03, Klaus Hartnegg wrote: Am 21.09.2016 um 08:56 schrieb Jaroslav Uher: Link on page https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/organizations/all.html for my localization (czech) point to https://download.mozilla.org/?product=firefox-45.4.0esr-SSL&os=win&lang=cs , but after clicking i get "Firefox Setup 38.5.1esr.exe" from https://download-installer.cdn.mozilla.net (which is really 38 version) This "feature" is caused by their server trying to interpret your operating system, and delivering old versions when it deems your OS incompatible with the latest version. That feature should be disabled for that page. It shouldn't matter if I run my own OS that runs only my own programs when I want to download a ESR for later deployment. Timo Pietilä ___ Enterprise mailing list Enterprise@mozilla.org https://mail.mozilla.org/listinfo/enterprise To unsubscribe from this list, please visit https://mail.mozilla.org/listinfo/enterprise or send an email to enterprise-requ...@mozilla.org with a subject of "unsubscribe"
Re: [Mozilla Enterprise] Server delivers old versions
Am 21.09.2016 um 08:56 schrieb Jaroslav Uher: Link on page https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/organizations/all.html for my localization (czech) point to https://download.mozilla.org/?product=firefox-45.4.0esr-SSL&os=win&lang=cs , but after clicking i get "Firefox Setup 38.5.1esr.exe" from https://download-installer.cdn.mozilla.net (which is really 38 version) This "feature" is caused by their server trying to interpret your operating system, and delivering old versions when it deems your OS incompatible with the latest version. ___ Enterprise mailing list Enterprise@mozilla.org https://mail.mozilla.org/listinfo/enterprise To unsubscribe from this list, please visit https://mail.mozilla.org/listinfo/enterprise or send an email to enterprise-requ...@mozilla.org with a subject of "unsubscribe"
