Re: [eug-lug]Gnome2

2003-11-17 Thread Jacob Meuser
On Sat, Nov 15, 2003 at 08:50:16PM -0800, T. Joseph Carter wrote: Actually, I went ~x86 in order to try and solve that problem. It had mixed results (solved some, created others..) I mostly stopped updating anything that didn't need to be updated to fix a problem or security hole. I think

Re: [eug-lug]EFN mail questions...

2003-11-17 Thread Patrick R. Wade
On Sun, Nov 16, 2003 at 08:28:28PM -0800, T. Joseph Carter wrote: On Sun, Nov 16, 2003 at 04:04:13PM -0800, Patrick R. Wade wrote: 2) do I need to do anything to keep my efn mail? No; mail originating inside efn.org is automatically whitelisted. |From: Ima Scamartiste [EMAIL PROTECTED] |To:

Re: [eug-lug]new disk in old server

2003-11-17 Thread Rob Hudson
On 20031112.1850, Mr O said ... Um, here I am. You shouldn't have any real trouble booting off your PCI card. As long as the BIOS sees it as a boot device you're in good hands. Linux will just see your drives as /dev/hde or higher. As for booting from SCSI it loads the drivers during the

Re: [eug-lug]new disk in old server

2003-11-17 Thread Bob Miller
Rob Hudson wrote: My latest idea is to use the 6GB disk that's in there as the /boot, swap, and backup drive. Then the new drive as the OS and web directory drive on a PCI card. In general, it's a good idea to put a swap partition on every drive in the system. The partitions don't have to

[eug-lug]Computerbase, other Eugene PC resellers?

2003-11-17 Thread Jason
Hey, kbob mentioned Computerbase as a place in Eugene to buy custom PCs/components; does anyone else have recommendations for this or other places to buy custom systems in town? I'd like to buy local and will be needing a new system when I get back to Eugene. I will probably be getting case/power

Re: [eug-lug]Computerbase, other Eugene PC resellers?

2003-11-17 Thread Cory Petkovsek
On Mon, Nov 17, 2003 at 10:08:24AM -0800, Jason wrote: Hey, kbob mentioned Computerbase as a place in Eugene to buy custom PCs/components; does anyone else have recommendations for this or other places to buy custom systems in town? I'd like to buy local and will be needing a new system

Re: [eug-lug]RPM Woes

2003-11-17 Thread Ben Barrett
I know I might [now] get slammed for not using yum [yet], and maybe I'll be promoting it soon, but I'm still enjoying apt-get (apt-rpm) on redhat... there's a nice apt GUI tool call synaptic, which I'm sure some debian users know. It's real nice = ) regards, Ben PS - does anyone have some

Re: [eug-lug]Computerbase, other Eugene PC resellers?

2003-11-17 Thread Bob Miller
Cory Petkovsek wrote: On Mon, Nov 17, 2003 at 10:08:24AM -0800, Jason wrote: Hey, kbob mentioned Computerbase as a place in Eugene to buy custom PCs/components; does anyone else have recommendations for this or other places to buy custom systems in town? I'd like to buy local and

Re: [eug-lug]RPM Woes

2003-11-17 Thread Bob Miller
Ben Barrett wrote: I know I might [now] get slammed for not using yum [yet], and maybe I'll be promoting it soon, but I'm still enjoying apt-get (apt-rpm) on redhat... there's a nice apt GUI tool call synaptic, which I'm sure some debian users know. It's real nice = ) I'm not getting warm

Re: [eug-lug]RPM Woes

2003-11-17 Thread Ben Barrett
Best RedHat yet.,.. unfortunately (since they're giving up on us in favor of corporate entities). I wanted to say, Worst... episode... ever! but that is just a fun Simpson's reference. Here's an idea, one could possibly say it tests a certain aspect of robustness within an OS: attempt to do

Re: [eug-lug]RPM Woes

2003-11-17 Thread Ben Barrett
I've nearly derailed in the past, by such proliferation, but only when I tried to use both Ximian's tree and Apt-rpm's... I had to choose one or the other to get my main system updates, primarily because Ximian does indeed release their own package tree -- in my case, most of my Gnome binaries got

Re: [eug-lug]Gnome2

2003-11-17 Thread Ben Barrett
Id like to see a system that more like a few gig and be part of the system ram, like a simm that you pop in and is electronicly re-programmable, but non-volitile. and hard drives that didnt come on unless you needed them and ofcourse dirt cheap so that everyone could have them! -Jamie This

Re: [eug-lug]Gnome2

2003-11-17 Thread Ben Barrett
Yes!! You rock, Bob! Well put. Looks like the SCO-brained analysis and G5-speccing mentalities are merging; here's one: I have this computer in my closet that has an *infinitely* better price-performance ratio than ANY computer you can buy today, it was free. Ben PS - for those looking

Re: [eug-lug]Computerbase, other Eugene PC resellers?

2003-11-17 Thread Bob Crandell
Bob Miller ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Cory Petkovsek wrote: On Mon, Nov 17, 2003 at 10:08:24AM -0800, Jason wrote: Hey, kbob mentioned Computerbase as a place in Eugene to buy custom PCs/components; does anyone else have recommendations for this or other places to buy custom systems

Re: [eug-lug]RPM Woes

2003-11-17 Thread Jacob Meuser
On Mon, Nov 17, 2003 at 10:53:55AM -0800, Bob Miller wrote: I'm not getting warm fuzzies about the proliferation of package managers that TDFKAR (The Distribution Formerly Known As RedHat) is using. Package management and version synchronization is hard enough without introducing three

Re: [eug-lug]Gnome2

2003-11-17 Thread Linux Rocks !
What I was thinking was something like a simm(dimm... whatever) that you pop in where you would normally have simm/dimms (say you have 3 slots, put one that is the operating system, the other 2 are primary storage as usual) The one simm would be nonvolitle ram so it doesnt go away on power

Re: [eug-lug]Gnome2

2003-11-17 Thread Ben Barrett
...that's what I thought you meant. Well, you can have that today! Just put in the IDE-CF adapter, and the special magical mystery memory is a CF that you boot from. It is programmable as you call it, meaning you can write a new OS to it, and it is nonvolatile. The problem with using a DIMM

Re: [eug-lug]The Programmer's Stone

2003-11-17 Thread Rob Hudson
On 20031115.1840, Patrick R. Wade said ... I mentioned this to several people today who hadn't remembered it: http://www.reciprocality.org/Reciprocality/index.html Can you give me the background on this link? I've read about half of the first chapter of the first article and it is

Re: [eug-lug]Computerbase, other Eugene PC resellers?

2003-11-17 Thread Christopher Maujean
Jason wrote: Hey, kbob mentioned Computerbase as a place in Eugene to buy custom PCs/components; does anyone else have recommendations for this or other places to buy custom systems in town? I'd like to buy local and will be needing a new system when I get back to Eugene. I will probably be

Re: [eug-lug]Gnome2

2003-11-17 Thread Jamie
yeah... Ive been considering something like that. I have a cf pcmcia adapter, and cant find my camera... I saw a cf card on sale somewhere (think it was like 256mb. I could build a small system on that card (maybe even have X on it. or possibly a wireless firewall box (put a wireless card in

[eug-lug] NewsFlash - SUN-Linux default desktop in China! from COMDEX

2003-11-17 Thread Harald Sundt
At least the business news said this was a breaking story. Windows shut out? ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug

Re: [eug-lug]Computerbase, other Eugene PC resellers?

2003-11-17 Thread Linux Rocks !
Ill chime in too and confirm pretty much the same thing others are saying... computer base has really good friendly service, and knowlegable employees, one of which has been a eug-lug member for a couple years now. VOS - Id never recommend... Stan (PCtrainingCenter) is a crusty old bugger, but

Re: [eug-lug]Computerbase, other Eugene PC resellers?

2003-11-17 Thread Ben Barrett
I've heard this from a number of other folks, too, but I for one have not [yet] had any problems with them... they are the hardware suppliers for Lunar Logic and seem to do us well so far. If there are problems with them in the future, I'll suggest ComputerBase to my superiors... but I did want to

Re: [eug-lug]Computerbase, other Eugene PC resellers?

2003-11-17 Thread Ben Barrett
On Mon, 17 Nov 2003 17:27:10 -0500 Linux Rocks ! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... | Id stick with computer base or pctraining... most of the other small | shops are kind of expensive, and look at you funny when you mention | linux. VOS seems to be getting wiser: we have procured many systems from

Re: [eug-lug]Computerbase, other Eugene PC resellers?

2003-11-17 Thread Brad Davidson
PCPartsExpress used to be great. They have/had 'national warehouse' prices, and you could make an order and then just drive over and pick it up.. they're in Springfield, in the light industrial district between Gateway Mall and I-105. However, I guess they got tired of being a local retail

Re: [eug-lug]The Programmer's Stone

2003-11-17 Thread Patrick R. Wade
On Mon, Nov 17, 2003 at 01:55:24PM -0800, Rob Hudson wrote: On 20031115.1840, Patrick R. Wade said ... I mentioned this to several people today who hadn't remembered it: http://www.reciprocality.org/Reciprocality/index.html Can you give me the background on this link? I've read about half

Re: [eug-lug]Gnome2

2003-11-17 Thread Bob Miller
Ben Barrett wrote: ...that's what I thought you meant. Well, you can have that today! Just put in the IDE-CF adapter, and the special magical mystery memory is a CF that you boot from. It is programmable as you call it, meaning you can write a new OS to it, and it is nonvolatile. The

RE: [eug-lug]Computerbase, other Eugene PC resellers?

2003-11-17 Thread Grigsby, Garl
PCPartsExpress used to be great. They have/had 'national warehouse' prices, and you could make an order and then just drive over and pick it up.. they're in Springfield, in the light industrial district between Gateway Mall and I-105. However, I guess they got tired of being a local

Re: [eug-lug]Gnome2

2003-11-17 Thread Ben Barrett
I like Linux on BIOS, but hearing about how many mobo's had to get thrashed down at Los Alamos's ACL (by Matt) made me, well, scared. I'm looking forward to some end-user-ready linux bios systems! I know it boots much faster, but why would you have to have a linux bios (if you already do boot

Re: [eug-lug]Gnome2

2003-11-17 Thread Bob Miller
Ben Barrett wrote: I like Linux on BIOS, but hearing about how many mobo's had to get thrashed down at Los Alamos's ACL (by Matt) made me, well, scared. I'm looking forward to some end-user-ready linux bios systems! I know it boots much faster, but why would you have to have a linux bios

Re: [eug-lug]Computerbase, other Eugene PC resellers?

2003-11-17 Thread Brad Davidson
Grigsby, Garl wrote: Are you sure that was PCPartsxpress and not edgemicro (formerly known as Computer X Press)? PCPartsxpress has a small shop right off Q Street (across the street from Safeway). Right you are. I didn't know them as Edge Micro, just Computer X Press. Edgemicro, has stopped

[eug-lug]a simple ftp server (for internal use)

2003-11-17 Thread Wayne Scace
Hi Gang, Wayne K9DI es Leader Dog Patriot. I'm attempting to install OpenBSD 3.4 on my laptop and have had good success up to the point where it wants to install sets. At that point, things go rapidly south. There's trouble with name resolution so I cannot ftp the

Re: [eug-lug]a simple ftp server (for internal use)

2003-11-17 Thread Jacob Meuser
On Tue, Nov 18, 2003 at 12:13:29AM +, Wayne Scace wrote: Hi Gang, Wayne K9DI es Leader Dog Patriot. I'm attempting to install OpenBSD 3.4 on my laptop and have had good success up to the point where it wants to install sets. At that point, things go rapidly south.

[eug-lug]IRC

2003-11-17 Thread Tim Howe
Didn't there used to be an IRC channel that user group people hung out in? --TimH ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug

Re: [eug-lug]IRC

2003-11-17 Thread Linux Rocks !
At one point I belive #euglug was setup, but I dont think anybody really used it... There is always #linux, #distro of choice, and #application of choice I sometime yack in #linux and #slackware, but Im not always available (even if Im logged in) I would ofcourse suggest using