Here's a proposition to get you all thinking:
What are the technical problems inherent in sending a zeppelin probe to
Europa?
Here's the proposition:
The probe that eventually goes to Europa will have a significant fuel limit,
and a nearly limitless amount of terrain to explore prior to
In a message dated 2/12/2003 5:11:56 AM Alaskan Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
It's not a question of bandwidth. It's a question of mindwidth. There is an astounding lack of scientific and inquiring minds out there, a public which insists that Britney Spears is a cultural icon.
Sure,
In a message dated 1/11/2003 5:47:00 AM Alaskan Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
The silence is due to a lack of push by the enthusiasts. While the Europa website is filled with any number of persons skilled in all sorts of scientific and engineering abilities, there are simply too many
In a message dated 11/2/2002 6:29:38 PM Alaskan Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
The last I heard, the team designing the possible 2007 "CryoScout" Mars
Scout mission to penetrate a hundred meters or so through Mars' north polar
icecap were still undecided about whether its Cryobot would
In a message dated 11/3/2002 8:18:34 PM Alaskan Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
What about a snowcone machine type of design? Shave the ice and move
the shavings from bottom to top. It would take some power, but it could
be done. The nice thing is that the tools do not have to be that
In a message dated 11/1/2002 6:33:52 AM Alaskan Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I was thinking that we could enhance the vehicle's ability to negotiate
changes in direction by giving it a head that swiveled. The ability to bend
in the middle would also be helpful.
I keep imagining
In a message dated 11/1/2002 8:04:34 AM Alaskan Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Would information regarding MIT's Robopike (a robot
that imitates the behavior of a fish) be of use to Icepick?
Relevant URL:
http://web.mit.edu/towtank/www/pike/
Larry
Yes, I think so, particularly
In a message dated 11/1/2002 8:35:06 AM Alaskan Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
A. Project Management
Does anyone out there have project management software? I think we're at a
point where we'll need some scheduling, like a PERT or GANTT chart. We're not
designing the Polaris
In a message dated 11/1/2002 9:27:57 AM Alaskan Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Something has really been nagging me and I wanted to throw it out to the
group.
The assumption up to this point is that ther would be debris to navigate
around. Why? Unless physics has changed, ice floats.
In a message dated 11/1/2002 9:51:25 AM Alaskan Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
True. Good point.
I guess I pictured in my mind a glacier, where sand, rocks and boulders had
been pushed and collected over time. In the ice fields of Earth's North and
South poles, is there debris like
In a message dated 11/1/2002 12:42:08 AM Alaskan Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Bruce Moomaw
2953 Oakleaf Dr.
Cameron Park, CA 95682
Phone: (530) 677-8353
E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Specialties: None, really.
(I have no actual formal degree in any of the physical sciences, but I do
In a message dated 11/1/2002 2:21:15 AM Alaskan Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Hibai Unzueta, 21 years old.
Bilbao. Basque Country (spain)
Telecommunications (electrical) Engineering student
at EHU/UPV University of the Basque Country.
Performing 4th year of a five year degree.
Doing
We'll be looking forward to hearing what you come up with, Jack. I guess your prototype would be Icepick ii, to distinguish it from Joe's Icepick i?
Damn. Now I'm going to have to figure out how to get something like this going myself... someone mentioned an aluminum cigar tube for a tiny
In a message dated 10/31/2002 6:50:48 AM Alaskan Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Antimatter Power: Reaching for Deep Space
http://www.space.com/businesstechnology/technology/antimatter_sail_021029.html
To Steve Howe, a trip to Pluto is small potatoes. That most distant planet orbits
I now see a major problem with naming the terrestial model 'Icepick'. Larry is talking about proposals for an actual Europa probe, employing a kinetic penetrator, for sometime in 2015 or beyond.
The terrestial model involves proposals for a model constructed from off-the-shelf parts, and is only
Alright, everybody, we are making rapid progress on getting a website set up. Dennis Frye and Gail Leatherwood are working on getting a series of organized files together, to help focus our efforts. The files shall likely be 'chapters' or sections within the new website, www.europa-icepick.org.
In a message dated 10/31/2002 9:13:11 AM Alaskan Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I have an idea for a small scale model. I am not real knowledgable about aquarium fish, but I do know there is a small glass encased electric heater for the tanks. Anyone want to do the actual construction
John Harlow Byrne
1500 Norene Street
Anchorage, AK 99508
(907) 279-3459
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Attorney, licensed in AK, WA, Fed Ct system
Experience with:
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Local Liaison for Coleville River dinosaur
In a message dated 10/30/2002 3:40:41 PM Alaskan Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
We need a web site, but "Icepick" is already taken. Check it out at www.icepick.com. Has nothing to do with Jupiter's moon. Larry, how did this happen?
I have some ideas about the graphics, but we need to
In a message dated 10/30/2002 11:31:20 AM Alaskan Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
The penetrometer with piezocone is a device pushed into the soil to collect
data:
http://www.tecnotest.it/Products/Soil%20Penetrometers/piezocone_description.htm
This device may or may not be helpful
In a message dated 10/30/2002 8:37:22 AM Alaskan Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
My idea of bolting culverts together was assuming we'd use less than 100' of
ice. The thick galvanized culverts attach end to end with a broad steel
band with matching corrugations (or they used to many
In a message dated 10/30/2002 7:11:00 AM Alaskan Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
A hot-water-heater heating element is extremely attainable. But can very likely be improved upon. Needs to have someway to keep corrosion off the copper. Salty water is great for turning orange copper
In a message dated 10/30/2002 6:36:04 AM Alaskan Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
As much as I want to test out some thermate, I think the water jets idea is
definitely going work. Needs a rotating head with a bit on the tip, so
either an electric motor, or have its spinning motion
In a message dated 10/30/2002 9:20:08 AM Alaskan Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I made that suggestion earlier, that as we come up with new ones we add roman numerals to the end of the name. All upgrades and such will be just noted as revision levels. We haven’t actually made one yet,
In a message dated 10/30/2002 5:46:32 PM Alaskan Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Indeed it is -- the water-filled tunnel that the Cryobot melts in the ice
freezes solid again less than a meter above its rear end (and the sheer
pressure of the ice just a few hundred meters down would
In a message dated 10/28/2002 11:07:49 PM Alaskan Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
After reading the exchanges here on the test project, I have to say that
virtually all of you are WAY too optimistic about our ability to do anything
that hasn't already been done, or won't be done very
In a message dated 10/29/2002 11:31:00 AM Alaskan Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
That could be really cool. Bunch of ice sculptures here and there, and this
one big cylindrical chunk of ice with the cryobot happily chewing its way
down the inside. I bet there's somewhere you could
Joe Latrell came up with a napkin drawing for a carboard prototype, of the
sort that could be tested in a couple of blocks of ice. This initial
prototype (let's call it IcePIC i) has a wire coil internally: is this to
play out behind to respresent the transponders, or to help control the
We're talking about a model that can slowly cut through 500' of ice --
that's all. So, warm water jets, creating an envelope of warm water around
the model as it works through the ice, should be sufficient without any
significant danger of hydraulic pressure. So, we're decided: warm water
In a message dated 10/28/2002 11:52:17 AM Alaskan Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Actually, there is no "Russian section" (or "American section", either) in
Antarctica. Under terms of the Antarctic treaty, it's been an international
regime reserved for scientific exploration. Under the
In a message dated 10/28/2002 12:59:45 PM Alaskan Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Yes, that should work nicely. Let's see... drop grenade on ice. Wait 30-45
minutes. Drop grenade #2 down the hole. Wait a few minutes before it gets to
the bottom. Wait another 30-45 minutes. Drop grenade
In a message dated 10/28/2002 2:03:22 PM Alaskan Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Of course the fuel does not have to be White Phosphorus. Maybe hypergolic
fuels would be better suited. It would be safer to store for such a long
trip. I just thought WP would be a good example because it
In a message dated 10/28/2002 2:22:52 PM Alaskan Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I don't see what the point is of the IcePIC group attempting to
drop a probe 500' when NASA has already gone much further (though
they drilled the holes with non-probe machinery).
The point is to do it,
In a message dated 10/28/2002 3:34:43 PM Alaskan Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
There are 25 glaciers on Rainier. Carbon, the thickest glacier on Rainier is
700', Nisqually is 400' thick. Carbon is much longer hike and would require
some technical climbing. Nisqually is flat, close
In a message dated 10/28/2002 6:02:26 PM Alaskan Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Why not stack blocks of ice? It would be a lot simpler than hauling our gear out to some ice-bound wasteland.
Funny you should mention that. Joe Latrell, our newest victim here on the website, may have a
It's established. Rainier won't cut it. We don't need big chunks of ice
tearing down the mountan, as we're trudging up with a 100 pound model.
This is what we're looking for. If not this actual place, then something
quite similar.
http://www.escobosa.com/image.asp?CollectionID=7ImageID=57
In a message dated 10/26/2002 7:48:28 PM Alaskan Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
The safest, most accessible (easy hike from a road that is open for much of
the year) and thickest glacier in the lower 48 states is on Mt. Rainier,
less than 3 hours from downtown seattle.
Hmm... that's
In a message dated 10/26/2002 10:58:54 PM Alaskan Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
By the way, regarding some of the suggestions being floated around by this
group's members: the current plan is to indeed give the Cryobot some ability
to veer slowly to the side to avoid obstacles
Okay, group, we're making good progress so far. A lot of members have put in some very good points about the possibilities and limitations of an actual working model. Here is an address to those various points:
There's a VERY serious misconception developing here -- every Cryobot design ever
In a message dated 10/27/2002 6:05:55 PM Alaskan Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Yes, that is why I would like to do the prints for all the parts. And on the
assembly page, the first page, is usually where you have your bill of
materials.
Robert Crawley
Elite Precision Fabricators,
I seem to have volunteered to help organize and circulate the ideas we've come up with. I'll start working on a data base since I don't have anything else to do but sit around drinking beer and watching TV (yeah, right!)
I suggest we call the project "Hot Nose," since that's what the design seems
In a message dated 10/26/2002 11:44:50 AM Alaskan Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Don’t know if it helps or not, but I have access to CAD/CAM software
I'm embarrassed to admit it, but I don't know what CAD/CAM software is. Is it for creating diagrams? Robert, would you also be able to
On consideration, I've come up with the following.
1) Odds are very long on coming up with such a model. That doesn't mean it shouldn't be attempted. At the very least, by working on conceptualizing such a working model, we would have some new material for the Icepick website.
2) It is not
Okay, group, here's what I've tinkered with today.
I wrote a letter of introduction to a website produced by Hyman Rickover's
foundation for science and education. Admiral Hyman Rickover was the founder
of the US Navy's nuclear submarine development effort. I figure that his
program might
Link to high quality submarine model kit makers:
http://www.heiszwolf.com/subs/m_index.html
Note that the 'Albacore' model features an internal gasoline engine. Also
note that there are quite a few experts on this site, with a bit of knowledge
on HOW to put together such a thing, in a small
Thanks to everyone for the response, which have been pretty positive. Who knows, but we may actually be able to get at least a little more actually done, than just another 6 months worth of email archives.
One email mentioned where we can find an icy environment, much like Europa. Again, I'd have
Objective: come up with a radio controlled working model, that can bore 500'
into an ice sheet, and leave a trail of 5 transponders at intervals of 100'
feet. The principle purpose is not to develop new technology, but to use
extremely cheap, off the shelf parts to make a publicity boost for
Feeling Antigravity's Pull
Can NASA stop the apple from falling on Newton's head?
By Adam Rogers
Posted Friday, October 18, 2002, at 8:30 AM PT
"Don't call it antigravity research," Ron Koczor pleads. He's a physicist at NASA's Marshall Space Flight Center in Huntsville, Ala., and he's talking
In a message dated 10/17/2002 11:05:32 AM Alaskan Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I shall rise to that challenge, Robert. I'm not a scientist per se, but I do like to tell myself that I am at times, rational.
Dismantling Mars is not going to happen, ever. This is more a political
In a message dated 10/10/2002 2:35:29 PM Alaskan Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
If there happen to be any Dyson shells in the process of
being built, they might be noticed by the FAME or Kepler
missions (they would tend to appear to be long period
variable stars).
Robert
It seems to
In a message dated 10/10/2002 5:32:20 PM Alaskan Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I have trouble with this part of the article and wonder if Drake
was either misquoted by the media or if Drake knows something
we do not?
"By his calculations, he estimates one in every 10 million stars
Clearly true -- the estimates of nearby GRB (or other highly
energetic events) probably place some significant contraints
on the development of higher life forms. The Earth may simply
have been very very lucky.
Luck presupposes that someone was counting on the outcome. If it hadn't happened the
In a message dated 9/15/2002 1:16:37 AM Alaskan Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Finally, that metal cover on the drill hole for an underground nuclear test Reynolds mentions that may well have unintentionally become the first object humanity ever launched to escape velocity -- in the
In a message dated 10/8/2002 10:38:50 PM Alaskan Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
But, that's not why I'm writing to you. In the collection is an article by Ian Crawford entitled "Where Are They?", subtitled "Maybe we are alone in the galaxy after all". I found this article thought
In a message dated 10/9/2002 4:54:50 AM Alaskan Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
My objections weren't as much to Crawford's ideas as they were to
the Andrew LePage sidebar. The problem in general however still
remains -- the significant majority of current "SETI" searches
are directed
'Water, water, everywhere, and not a drop to drink.'
orhow about...
'Crap, 100 billion tons of ice, and no scotch for 10 billion miles!'
-- JHB
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Do you find it as ironically funny as I do, that humans seem to mirror alcohol yeasts, albeit about 5 'powers of 10' larger?
After all, give a population of humans a few resources, and they'll breed like mad, fight any competitors (whilst justifying it with any number of noble reasons other than
In a message dated 10/8/2002 1:04:37 PM Alaskan Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
You're too late -- Kurt Vonnegut already beat you to that analogy in
"Breakfast of Champions" (although he was referring to champagne yeast, not
mead yeast).
Oh great. So, you're telling me I have the
In a message dated 10/8/2002 2:46:51 PM Alaskan Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
By the way, judging from Quaoar and Varuna, the names of the KBOs are
finally going to start honoring other human mythologies besides the Greek --
and about time, too.
Hailing from a largely Nordic
In a message dated 9/28/2002 5:06:05 PM Alaskan Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Robert, your enthusiasm is astounding. Where are the off-the-shelf
microplate sapphire suits?
Sorry, not here yet. We can't even assemble sapphire at the molecular
level yet. But we do have a design for an
In a message dated 9/15/2002 8:42:02 PM Alaskan Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Adam, I went to your message board, and attempted to post something or other about the nature of expanding universe theories.
Unfortunately, I was unable to. Every time I typed a letter in, I got a pop-up
In a message dated 9/23/2002 11:39:05 AM Alaskan Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
First I must say that I am for all the international treaties, like the ABM
treaty unillaterally broken by who had an important role in its creation (USA),
that promote peace and reductions of weapons. I
In a message dated 5/30/2002 2:23:08 PM Alaskan Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
As to question 1-
In our recently completed senior design project (head to
expert.cc.purdue.edu/~precoda if you're interested), we in Purdue's
Astronautical Engineering program found a melting time of about
In a message dated 5/30/2002 10:53:56 AM Alaskan Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
1. How long would it take to melt through 12 miles of ice?
2. Is communication much more difficult?
3. Are there layers of ice flowing at different speeds that might make for a
shear-zone or something? 4.
In a message dated 5/30/2002 7:50:24 AM Alaskan Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
With Europa's 0.135 Earth gravity, and assuming the same 1.022 SG seawater
density, excluding all other small variables, real pressure at 12 miles
depth on Europa is equivalent to an Earth ocean depth of
In a message dated 5/30/2002 3:18:08 PM Alaskan Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
a typical Pu RTG are not
sufficient to melt through salt of some thickness threshold that an
engineer familiar with the problem could calculate. My semi-educated
guess is anything over 0.5 meter will be a
In a message dated 3/13/2002 8:17:34 AM Alaskan Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Are you aware that the presence of algae on ice is very common on Earth? And that that presence is clearly visible? In addition to within ice, algae are often found on the the ice-air and ice-seawater
I have to be careful here not to wander too far off the base subject of 'things relating to an exploration of all things Europan'. Nevertheless, there is some connection, so I'll address it as follows...
We are in agreement that commercial development of space (as opposed to purely military or
In a message dated 2/26/2002 7:28:15 AM Alaskan Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Dear JHByrne,My apologies for accidently calling you Jane. What is your first name anyway? Best wishes in the future. Your posts are always excellent!!!
Rick L. Sterling
That's alright, Rick. Jane, John
In a message dated 2/12/2002 8:50:25 AM Alaskan Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Cooper's argument against "fossil life" preservation on Europa is a
fine example of "homogeneous thinking" which all/most of us do when
confronted with few data. Whereas the processes stated may be true,
tolerate cheaters like Hughes Aircraft (of B-2 Bomber notoriety).
-- JHByrne
In a message dated 12/24/2001 4:34:19 PM Alaskan Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
All 4 of NASA's Office of Space Science subcommittees held their latest
meetings this month at Cocoa Beach, and the Origins subcommittee has already
put its report on the Web:
In a message dated 12/10/2001 8:31:20 AM Alaskan Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Why wait until a lunar/asteroid infrastructure is "reaping profits"? In view
of the fact that entrepreneurs have already thoroughly overexploited one
planet - Earth - let's levy the tax now. Let's see how
In a message dated 12/9/2001 12:55:36 PM Alaskan Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Interesting story, but I'm afraid it's not correct because it were the Dutch who invaded Indonesia. The Belgian army has never left Europe except for some involvement in Kongo, Africa.
So maybe Eugene
In a message dated 12/6/2001 4:16:41 AM Alaskan Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Is this really what people want? Coca Cola could pay to spraypaint its
logo across the moon. A bio.com decides Mars or Europa's ocean is the
perfect place to testbed its latest genetically modified bacteria,
In a message dated 11/30/2001 11:12:09 AM Alaskan Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Ah, John, I love it when you admonish me for being a professional
beggar. It's true, of course, that's the way we scientists have
always been. Galileo was a government beggar, and look what they did
to
In a message dated 11/21/2001 6:41:43 AM Alaskan Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Dear Dr. Zubrin, The JFK memo I referred to in my earlier e-mail was from the book John F. Kennedy, Commander In Chief: A Profile in leadership. This fowarded e-mail contains a link to Amazon.Com where you
In a message dated 11/28/2001 11:45:11 AM Alaskan Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
OK, I've thought about our current "situation" (recall we may lose
all near-future outer solar system projects), consulted with a few
wise colleagues, and I think the best course of action is to support
In a message dated 11/16/2001 6:20:32 PM Alaskan Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Have any of you seen the disturbing stories popping up today about OMB
threatening to cancel *all* Outer Planets Exploration in the next decade?
Check out (www.nasawatch.com and
In a message dated 10/8/2001 8:43:46 PM Alaskan Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On Tue, 9 Oct 2001, David M Harland wrote:
There is no viable alternative to the Shuttle for human spaceflight.
It is now running about as efficiently as it ever will. It is simply
a costly business.
Yes, in the current world context it is completely accurate to say this.
But from a moral perspective, one is required to ask *if* and *when*
this will change?
Never, never, never. At least since the time of Aristotle, people have been asking such questions, as 'when will the philosopher kings
In a message dated 10/8/2001 10:30:00 AM Alaskan Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Well, at the risk of being considered a "bottom line" man, here's my
read on the space station fiasco. In the early 1970s, Nixon wanted
the space shuttle because they thought it would be a great way to
In a message dated 10/8/2001 1:43:29 PM Alaskan Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I'd argue on humanitarian and moral grounds that the best evaluation
criteria should be on lives saved / $ spent (or more accurately years
of potential life saved / $ spent). In that respect the $ going to
In a message dated 10/8/2001 2:13:48 PM Alaskan Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Why? I'll note that the U.S. is planning to spend between $15 -$100 BILLION
on the loss of ~5000 individuals. This is equal to an ~2-5 year NASA budget
allocation. Go compute the frequency of impact likely
In a message dated 4/29/2001 7:02:10 PM Alaskan Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
A lot of interesting speculation (and cool movie scripts) coming out
of answers to Gail and Roberta's questions. Of course, Carl Sagan
and others have covered much the same ground before, and viewers of
Ro Ro:
I understand theres a guy out there who operates a website on Ionian
tectonics and vulcanism. Also, I suggest you talk to Sam Michaels -- he's
got some fascinating theories on cataclysmic events besides the Chixiculb
impact, which involve great Earth events and the changing of thermal
In a message dated 4/13/2001 10:15:25 AM Alaskan Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Is the driving force behind space exploration money(profit)? Yes.
Exploration just for the sake of exploration? Yes. Scientific
investigation? Yes. Finding more room for humans? Yes. So the answer is
In a message dated 4/12/2001 1:08:45 PM Alaskan Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Yes, it's called exploration. Science is not the reason we send spacecraft
to the planets; if it was, why would NASA's budget be as large as the rest
of science - excluding medicine - put together? Science
In a message dated 4/4/2001 7:35:24 AM Alaskan Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
To me, the real question regarding alternative energy production systems is
whether any of them might produce a molecule of oxygen as waste, as
photosynthesis does. You get free O2 in the water, you've got
In a message dated 4/3/2001 9:21:25 AM Alaskan Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
The fact that we can feel remorse for the lossof the
species might be a sign ofa more mature attitude as a
species.
I will grant you this: in the middle of an impending energy crises, and with
1000s of
In a message dated 4/3/2001 3:52:01 PM Alaskan Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Grrr. This is exactly that revelation I had saved for my coming SpaceDaily
article on the possibility that Europan organisms -- without evolutionary
competition from the far more vigorous photsynthetic
In a message dated 4/2/2001 8:28:36 AM Alaskan Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
If Europa has life, we should not open it to private corporations.
It should be protected, as we protect Yosemite here.
I was wondering when the Cosmic Sierra Club would weigh in. One of the most
For example, I worked for DMV. For nearly the whole twelve years I was there,
energetic attempts were made to get the income into the bank as early in the
day as possible. By the time I retired, that was up to about 97% of the
moneys received were deposited before noon of the day they were
In a message dated 3/27/2001 9:53:00 PM Alaskan Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Here's something to chew on. As you know, I've been intrigued by the
prospect
of mining ice and water on Europa, but had a lot of trouble figuring out
how
to make it profitable. What if...
Breaking
In a message dated 3/16/2001 9:54:29 PM Alaskan Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I misquoted a source: It wasn't Peter Drucker, it was C. Northcote
Parkinson
in "Parkinson's Law" who said "Work expands to fill the time available." He
further extended that to say that needs expand
In a message dated 3/17/2001 5:15:56 AM Alaskan Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
...that the [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list is intended solely for discussions
of Europa and missions to it. Other discussions are off-topic and should
not be held on the list unless that can be
In a message dated 3/13/2001 4:46:13 PM Alaskan Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
My God. To say that this is an extreme solution is the understatement of
the century. Prosthetic bone replacements aren't attached to the muscles
--
they can't be, since the connective tissue cells
In a message dated 3/14/2001 5:19:49 PM Alaskan Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
The Centrifuge Accommodation Module -- although it's being built by Japan --
may now have to be dropped because of ISS' overall cost problems. If so,
the very last of the original justifications used
And perhaps siphoning off "expansion energy" (if that's what zero-point =
energy turns out to be) isn't such a bad thing. Almost every study thus =
far has concluded that the universe -- even counting the unseen Dark =
Matter -- has far too little mass to naturally slow the expansion of
Pardon me, but what's the point of going all the way to Mars, only to fool
around with a little rock orbiting the big prize?
It seems to me that practical, economic sense, and a sense of what is
politically expedient would rule out setting down on an isolated rock, when
it would be simply
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